PL 06/07/1978 - 6634�
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
City of Fridley
AGENDA
WEDNESDAY; JUNE 7, 1978
CALLFO ORDER:
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ROLL CALL:
APPA4YE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 17, 1978
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT
SHRQER: Being a repiat of a parcel bouna-dy iytn Hve.
.N.E. and University Avenue N.E. on the University West
Service Drive(complete legal in file), the same being
79R0 University Avenue N.E.(Godfather_,Pizza).
2, PUBLIC HEARIN6: CONSIDERATION OF A REZDNING REQUEST,
�ZOA #78-05, BY GERALD G. JOHNSUN: Kezone �ots 5, o, 7,
and the Westerly 136.50 feet of Lot 4, Lucia Lane
Addition, from R-1 (single family dwelling units) to
C-2 (generalbusiness areas), for a proposed restaurant
site, the same being 1145 Mississippi Street N.E.
3. CONTINUED: ENER6Y GOMMISSION DISCUSSION __
4. TABLED: RECYCLING PROJECT REPORT:
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8, RECEIVE APPEALS COMMiSSION MINUTES: MAY 23, 1978
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
JUNE 7� 1978
CALL TO OR➢ERc•�
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Vice-Cahirperson Langenfeld called the June 7, 1g78, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:y.3 P,M,
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Storla, Oquist, Harris (late), Peterson,
Schnabel, Langenfeld
None
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 17 1978
MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to approve the
May 1`], 1978, Planning Commission meeting minutes, Upon a voice vote,
all voting �}re, the motion carried unanimously.
1, PUBLIC HEARING;. CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PT,AT. P_s_ #�7ft_OL
�r �rr�x•r rexr ur' '1'H� NORTHWEST QUARTER OF THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER OF
SECTION 2 DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: COMMENCING AT THE INTERSEGTION
OF THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID NORTHWEST QUARTER AND THE VJ�,STERLY
RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF STATE HIGHtNAY N0. 47; THENCE NORTHERLY� ALONG
SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE� �8.00 FEET TO THE ACTUAI, POINT OF BEGINNING;
THENCE WESTERLY PARAI,LEL WITA SAID SOUTH LIN�, 1G�,03 FEET; THENCE
ON A TANGENTIAL CURVE TO TAE RIGHT FOR A DISTANCE OF 96.86 FEET�
RADIUS OF SAID CURVE IS 50.00 FEET; THENCE ALONG A COMPOUND CURVE
A DISTANCE OF 65.39 FEET� RADIUS OF SAID CURVE IS 156.07 FEET;
THENCE NORTHEASTERLY� TANGENT TO LAST DESCRIBED CURVE� 108,35 FEET;
THENCE ON A TANGENTIAL CURVE TO THE I,EFT A DISTANCE OF 209,25 FEET
TO THE SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE, RADIUS OF SAID CURVE IS 266.77 F`EET;
THENCE SOUTHERI,Y� ALONG SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY� TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING�
AI�L LYING IN THE SOUTH HALF OF SECTION 2� T-30� R-24� CITY OF
FRIDI,EY, COUNTY OF ANOKA� MINNESOTA,
GENERALLY BOUND BY �9th AVENUE N� AND UNIVERSITY AVENUE NE ON TH�
UNIVERSITY WEST SERVICE DRIVE� THE SAME BEING �910 UNIVERSITY
AVENUE NE (GODFATHER PIZZA),
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, to open the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at 7;4'] P,M,
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Mr. Boardman indicated that when the City Council allowed the Building
Permit for Godfather Pizza� one of the stipulations was that the area
be platted. He said that the request was bein� made to complete that
stipulation.
Mr. Boardman explained that when the Building Permit was granted for
Godfather Pizza it was granted on a larger portion of property. He
said that in order for Godfather Pizza to split down to a smaller size
property� tkey had to go through the platting procedure. He said that
in order to speed up the process of the Building Permit, the condition
of platting the property was made part of the Building Permit.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Storla, to close the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously, The Public Hearing was closed at �:50 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Mr. Oquist� that the Planning
Commission recommend approval of the consideration of a preliminary
plat, P.S. #78-0�, East Ranch Estates 4th Addition� by Robert Shroer:
Being a replat of that part of the Northwest Quarter of the Southwest
Quarter of Section 2 described as follows:
Commencing at the intersection of the south line of said Northwest
quarter and the Westerly right-of-w�}* line of State Highway No. 47;
Thence Northerly, along said right-of-way line, 48.00 feet to the
actual point of beginning;
Thence Westerly parallel with said South line� 143,03 feet;
Thence on a tan�ential curve to the right for a distance of
96.86 feet� radius of said curve is 50.00 feet;
Thence along a compound curve a distance of 65.39 feet� radius of
said curve is 156.0� feet;
Thence Northeasterly, tangent to last described curve� 108.35 feet;
Thence on a tangential curve to the left a distance of 209.25 feet
to the said right-of-way line, radius of said curve is 266.77 feet;
Thence Southerly, along said right-of-way� to the point of beginning;
All lying in the South Half of Section 2? T-30, R-Z�� City of
Fridley� County of Anoka� Minnesota.
Generally bound by 79th Avenue NB and University Avenue NE on the
University 1Vest Service Drive� the same being 7910 University Ave NE
(Godfather Pizza).
IIPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carxied unanimously.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING:
1J1 UliS1t11JL U. VVR1YrJV1Y: tSGLiV1YL� LVl�J f�V�(� H1YL 1RP� YYP�JIP�RL3 IJV•
FEET OF LOT 4� LUCIA LANE ADDITCON� FROM R-1 (SINGLE FAMILY
DWELI,ING IINITS) TO G2 (GENERAL BUSINE5S AREAS)� FOR A PROPOSED
RESTAURANT 5ITE� THE SAME BEING 111�5 MISSISSIPPI STREET NE,
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to open the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at 7:52 P.M.
Mr. Boardman showed the Commission the plans for the lots. He explained
exactly which lots were involved with the request, He pointed out that
at the intersection of Highway 65 and Mississippi there was no other
commercial enterprises.
Mr. Wyman Smith� the attorney representing Mr. Gerald G. Johnson,
explained the rezoning request. He said that Mr, Johnson
had owned the property in question for 22 years. He said that since
Fridley had its original zoning scheme laid out, the property had been
zoned R-1. He said that it has been maintained as R-1 since that point
in time. He said that the lots were nicely wooded lots and that the
neighborhood had definitely benefited from that property. He pointed
out that Mr. Johnson still had to pay taxes on that property and he
has decided that he wanted to develop his property. He felt that it
was not reasonable to try to develop it as R-1 since it was located
on the corner of a very busy intersection.
Mr. Smith went on to explain that the type of restaurant that would
locate on that property was a family-type restaurant. He said that
they planned to have a nicely planned building that tivould be a sit-in
restaurant, Ae said it would not be a drive-in or fast food restaurant.
He said that there ti�rould be no liquor license applied for. He said
that the restaurant tivould really be a good use for the property and
most suitable to the neighborhood.
Mr. Jim Lobman, President of the restaurant company that vaould be
located on the proposed site, explained that the restaurant would
be a nice family-style restaurant. He said that the Company was
local. He said that the restaurant concept was developed in t962.
He said that he wanted the neighborhood to uttderstand that the
restaurant svas not a national chain restaurant trying to move into the
area; he felt that the proposed restaurant would actually be very
good for the area.
Mr. Walter Boyd' the real-estate broker working with J's Restaurants�
indicated that he was not a member of the family or an employee� but
that he �vas working with Mr. Lobman on the transaction. He explained
to the Commission all the statistics involved with the proposed
restaurant. He indicated the taxes it would bring in as we11 as the
employment statistics. He felt that the information would be of
interest to the Commission as tivell as the Community.
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Mr. Gerald Johnson, 712 River Lane, Anoka, said that he felt he had
�ried long enough to develop the land as residential property, He said
it didn�t seem anyone was interested in building at the corner of
Mississippi and Highway 65. He felt that the family-style restaurant
was the best solution for that piece of property,
Ms. Schnabel asked if the restaurant tivould be open 24 hours.
Mr. �ohman indicated that it wonld be open 24 hours every day.
Mr, Clarence Timo, 6517 Lucia Lane NE� read to the audience and the
Commission the rezoning request objections and petition for denial.
Ae read, "To the City of Fridley, Planning Commission and Council
Members:
"We as residents of the City of Fridley� Minnesota� hereby
protest the Rezoning Request described in ZOA #78-05 for
the follo�ving reasons;
1) One of the most important objections we hane to the
Rezoning application is that it is a request for Spot
Zoning; that is to say that the placing of a business
establishment right in the middle of us homeowners and
citizens of Fridley� totally surrounded by lots zoned as
R-1 (single family dwelling units).
2) The traf£ic problems
a) The Knights of Columbus Hall at the North end of
Lucia Lane has a number of functions going on at their
Club House at various times. Al1 cars returning from
those functions as well as the Lucia Zane Apartments are
routed South on Lucia Lane towards Mississippi Street,
there being no exit at the North end, From there it
meets all traffic traveling_east and west on Mississippi
Street that already has conjestion problems. (He had
a picture he showed to the Commission of that exact
conjestion problem that he had taken at 6:00 P,M.
June 7' 1978).
b) Highway 65 and Mississippi Street already has a
history of many serious accidents at that corner.
c) If the parking loi for the proposed restaurant were
to fill up; or if some people� including trucks� semi's�
etc.� wouldn't feel like getting jammed into a parking lot�
they would park in front of the homes� creating a further
traffic hazard.
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d) The proposed drive-w�ys to the restaurant, off
Mississippi Street �vould cross bike trails on Mississippi
Street. This would further compound the hazards of
traffic.
e) Itinerant traffic� including
Highway 65 would invariably park
or other convenient side streets
the parking lot and would return
that intersect Mississippi.
3) The depreciation of home value.
tr�cks� semis� etc. from
on Mississippi Street
instead of getting into
via the many side streets
Traffic� noise� littering of streets by customers� and
potential hang-out oi undesirable resulting in possible
vandalism in the area.
Parking lot lights shining in homes all night and ugly
parking lots in the area.
People with small children wouldn't care to buy homes in
the area because of the additional traffic on side streets.
The aesthetic quality of the area would be lost £orever with
the loss of the beautiful trees; where otherwise could be
built beautiful homes.
Pollution from cars and trucks; undesirable smells of a
restaurant; placement of industrial garbage containers
which would result as an attraction for flies and rodents."
Mr. Timo said that new streets and gutters were installed less than
one year ago at the urging of the City of Fridley to improve Fridley's
residential appearance. He said that the residents did not want that
appearance ruined.
Mr. Timo said that all the residents in the area purchased their homes
with the understanding that all the property in the area was zoned R-1
Mr. Timo proceeded to read the introduction to a petition that had in
excess of 260 signatures. He explained that the people were all property
ovmers unless it was indicated after their name that they were renters.
"Petition protesting Rezoning: To the Council of the City of
Fridley. - We the undersigned being tax payers and residents
of the City of Fridley� or/and being owners of the property
abutting on Highway 65 and Lucia Lane and Mississippi Street
do hereby join in a petition protesting against �an commercial�
business, or industrial buildin� on said residential property
referred to in ZOA #78-05, which includes Lots 5,6 & 7 and the
westerly �36� feet of Lot 4 on Lucia Lane Addition. We request
that you do not allow rezoning of said property which now is
zoned R-1 and we want it to remain R-t, I have personally signed
this petition and a qualified voter of the City of Fridley
and my residence is correctly written after my name."
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Mr. Timo said that he personally went to most of the people. He said
that Mr. Russell Burris of 1150 M3ssissippi Street NE had accompanied
him on the first few. Mr. Timo attested to the fact that he personally
visited every one of the people with the exception of the few that
Mr. Burris had visited and the fetiv people that happened to be on vacation
or not home during the time he went around with the petition.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Planning
Commission receive the petition. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Joe Randall� 1210 Mississippi Street NE� said that he had lived
in Fridley most of his life, He said that the original otimer of the
property in question sold the property with the main intent that the
property remain residential, He said that the area consisted of
33 quality homes that were occupied by people who care for their
neighborhood.
Ms. Marge Daun, 6546 Lucia Lane, said that they had moved to their
present home from 34th and Johnson Street NE, and the main reason
was to get ativay from the very problems that the proposed restaurant
would create.
Ms. Loretta Lane? 1132 Mississippi Street NE� said that they had
lived at that address for 28 years. She said that they built with
the intention of living at that address for a long time, She said
that they did not like the idea of having spot zoning in the area.
She also said that it tivould be very inconvenient to have the
restaurant driveway directly across from their driveway, She said
that their home would probably lose their access onto P4ississippi
street because of the traffic that would be generated by the
restaurant.
Mr. Russell Burris� 1150 Mississippi Street NE, pointed out that
he presently� also� had enough trouble getting out of his drivevray.
He didn't like the possibility of having access driveways for a
restaurant located across from his property either. He said that
there ivas already too much traffic in that area. He didn't feel
it would be feasible to put a restaurant in that location� he said
it would only add to already hazardous situation.
Mr. Terry Daun of 6546 Lucia Lane said that if Mr. Johnson would sell
the lots for a reasonable price� he would be able to sell the lots
for residential development,
Mrs. Long� Dellvrood Drive� said that there were many little children
that lived in the area. She said that presently the parents have to
constantly be aware of the traffic that was in the area. She £e1t
that the restaurant tivould only add to that traffic problem. She said
that the safety of the children should be considered.
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Mr. Donald Melton� 980 Mississippi Street NE, said that they have
lived in the area since 1952. He said that if the property was
rezoned? it should be considered that Mississippi Street and
Highway 65 would develop into a major commercial corner. He said
it wasn�t viable that only one restaurant tivould be allowed in an
area without expanding the entire area into a commercial center. He
said that he �vas totally against that concept.
Mr. Robert Zuehlke� 1260 Mississippi Street NE, said that he has lived
at that address for 15 years. He said that the traffic on Mississippi
Street was already so great and to add something like the proposed
restaurant would only compound many of the existing problems. He felt
that �here was enough property available in the area that was already
commercially zoned. He couldn't understand why a person tiuould want
to locate a restaurant in a residential area. He said that comprehensive
planning had been done for zoning and he felt that Fridley should abide
by that plan. He said that he agreed that the property could have been
sold years previous if it had been reasonably priced.
Mr. Mearl Crosser� 6565 Lucia Lane NET said that they already had a
traffic problem in the area only added to by the Knights of Columbus
Hall and the area didn't need another establishment that would add
even more traffic. He said that he had bought a home nine years ago
�ith plans of staying in the area, However, if the traffic increases
much more, he would have to consider looking elsewhere for housing,
Ms. Kathy Nelson� 6366 Pierce Street, said that she represented many
of the neighbors who were all opposed to the rezoning. She said that
they had signed the petition and they wanted the Commission to kno�
that they were at the meeting and were in opposition.
Mrs. Robert Bystrom� 6533 Lucia Lane NE, said that another reason for
her opposition to the proposed restaurant was that she hated to see
all the beautiful trees removed from that property. She said that
they not only added beauty to the neighborhood but also acted somewhat
as a sound barrier.
A person in the audience asked what would become of the J's Restaurant
located north on Highway 65.
Mr. Lobman said that the proposed restaurant would not be anything like
that restaurant. He said it would probably be closed,
The person from the audience asked why he didn't keep the restaurant
vJhere it was presently located rather than moning it further South
against the wishes of the neighborhood.
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Mr. Lobman said that there were too many rules and regulations that
had to be followed by restaurant owners in the present times that
a lot of the conditions they feared could never happen.
Mr. Lobman said that one of the aspects of the property that was most
appealing to the restaurant was the fact that there ivere many trees on
the property. He said that they planned to keep as many of the trees
as possible,
Mr. Zobman said that he didn�t feel that the restaurant would or
could hane an adverse effect on as many people as signed the
petition. He said that figuring 26 houses per block, 260 signatures
would mean that signatures would have been obtained from ten blocks
of homes; he didn't feel that the restaurant could effect that much
area.
Mr. Lobman agreed that there was a lot of traffic at Mississippi Street
and Highway 65. He said that was why he felt it would be a good
location for a restaurant, He said the traffic problem was another
reason he felt that it was an ideal commereial location. He said
that he would never want to build a home at that location to raise
a family. He didn't feel that it was at all suited for an R-1 Zoning.
Mr. Lobman said that the point tivas raised that customers would have to
make a left turn to enter the establishment. He said that many
establishments existed that people had to turn left to enter.
Mr. Lobman didn�t feel that any consultant would consider that corner
of Mississippi Street and Highway b5 as a residential corner.
Mr. Lobman said that the restaurant garbage would be picked up every
day. Iie didn't feel that there would be any problems of rodents� bugs�
@tC�
Mr. Zobman said that the restaurant would have green areas, He said
they would have an underground sprinkling system, maintenance service�
fertilizer companies that take care of the green areas of the
restaurantsa shrubsr etc. He said that the landscaping of the
restaurants are excellent.
Mr. Lobman said that� in summary� he did not agree with a lot of the
points of objections that had been presented.
Mr. [Nyman Smith said that he agreed with a lot of the points that had
been made. He said that the people that lived close to that corner
would sign the petition to keep tke property in its present state
because it was a beautiful piece of property. However� he pointed out
that Mr. Johnson was the person paying the taxes on that property and
he� a1so� had some rights to make use of.that property.
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Mr. Smith said that it was very obvious that the property was not a
logical residential site. He said that it was an obvious commercial
site. He said that the proposed restaurant was a good use for that
site. He said that it vras a family restaurant that could be reasonably
located in a residential area.
Mr. Smith said that the traffic was already existent in the area. He
said the Courts have long said that the increase of traffic because
of the use of property was not an excuse for not doing it, He said
that aesthetics has never been used as criteria for denial of a
request. He said that the request had a minimal problem in the area
of health and safety of the public,
Mr. Henry Metcher� 6500 Pierce Street NE� said that he �vas definitely
against any type of spot rezoning in Fridley. He said that Mr. Johnson
knew the property was zoned R-1 vrhen he purchased it. He said that
Mr. Johnson could have sold that property as R-1 if he would have been
willing to accept the do3lar value of R-7 property. He said that it
ivas felt by some of the neighbors that the main reason he hasn't sold
the property tivas because he tivanted to sell the land as commercial and
not residential. He said that he was definitely against the request.
MOTION by Mr. Storla� seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to close the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye� the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 8:48 P,M,
Mr. Langenfeld commented that it was his opinion that some of the
statements regarding the rezoning vrere assumptions. He said that
didn't feel the petitioner �vas trying to mislead anyone with his
statements abouts the taxes' etc. He asked what the Staff had to
regarding the request.
he
say
Mr. Boardman said that it could be a useable residential area. He said
that if a rezoning was granted on that property� there l�vould be enough
demand to have to consider the same request for the other corners
of Highcray 65 arid Mississippi. He said that it Urould result in similar
problems that were present vJhere the corner was commercial and the
remainder of the block ��ras residential�
Mr, Boardman said that it was spot development and Fridley has been
trying to get away from that type of thing. He said that it wasn't
viewed as a good rezoning.
Ms. Schnabel said that she had al�Tays v�ondered why that corner had
never been developed. She said that it was a beautiful corner and felt
it would make nice home sites. She pointed out that many trees would
still have to be removed to construct three separate houses. She said
it vsas possible that the same number of trees would have to be removed
for the three individual home sites as tivould have to be removed to
construct the proposed restaurant,
Mr. Peterson asked when the lots were zoned R-1.
Mr. Boardman said that it was zoned R-1 in 1955 and has always been zoned
R-1.
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MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Planning
Commission recommenc. denial of the consideration of a rezoning request,
ZOA #78-05, by Gerald G. Johnson: Rezone Lots 5,6, 7 and the westerly
136.50 feet of Lot 4, Lucia Lane Addition, from R-1 (single family
dwelling units) to C-2 (General Business Areas), for a proposed
restaurant site, the same being 1145 Mississippi Street NE, for the
follcwing reasons:
1) It would definitely be a spot rezoning;
2) There would be a traffic problem (which already existed);
3) It would interfere with the bike trails;
4) It could have an effect on the depreciation of the homes
in the area;
5) It would have an environmental impact in regards to noise
and aesthetic values.
Mr. Langenfeld said that he fully realized the rights of the property
owner, but he felt that the particular type of zoning request should
be denied.
Mr. Peterson asked the petitioner if he would consider operating the
restaurant on less than a 24-hour basis.
Mr. Lobman said that he didn't feel a reduction in hours would make
the neighborhood residents feel any differently about the proposed
restaurant.
Chairperson Harris said that he understood the petitioner's dilemma;
however, he felt that the rezoning of the property would r�ot be in
concert with the rest of the surrounding properties as it has been
developed. He said that the surrounding neighbors had the right to
expect that since the property was zoned as R-1, that the status quo
would be maintained. Mr. Harris felt that the property in question
could be developed in an R-1 manner. He indicated that because of
the above statement he would vote in favor of denial of the request.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris declared a break at 9:22 P.M.
Mr. Storla le£t the meeting because of prior commitments.
3. CONTINUED: ENERGY COMMISSION DISCUSSION
Mr. Oquist indicated that Mr. Storla had left some comments on the
Energy C"ommittee. He read the statements to the Commission:
Mr. Storla felt that people that should be considered
as members of the Energy Committee could be someone from the
American Legion and from the Leaque of Women Voters because
both of the groups' National Committee has recommended that
they get involved in the Energy problem.
Mr. Storla also felt that someone £rom the Cabel TV or the
Sun Newspaper should be a member of the Committee to act
as a public relations person.
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Mr. Langenfeld said that in regards to the information provided by
Staff, he was ir agreement with the Purpose and Scope. He said
that as the section on Membership was stated was the manner he
would like to see the Energy Project Committee set up.
Mr. Langenfeld wanted to know what was needed as far as the
"Length of Project".
Mr. Boardman said that there should be some time period that the
Project Committee should work under.
Mr. Peterson said that he felt very strongly about the manning of the
Energy Project Committee. He said that some procedure should be looked
at in order to properly man the Committee. He said that as the
Chairperson, Mr. Harris had the pre��ative to appoint and as a Commission,
they would have the prerogative to suggest and approve.
Mr. Peterson said that whether or not everyone agreed about the
Energy situation; and whether or not everyone agreed that an Energy
Project Committee would arrive at answers, he felt that the situation
being aw it was and Energy being so vital to the total life style today,
it behooved the City of Fridley to put a project committee into action.
Chairperson Harris said th4t the City of Fridley should have an
Energy Policy.
Chairperson Harris said that a Chairperson and liaison person
sho�ld be decided upon.
Mr. Boardman suggested that a member of the Planning Commission be
chairperson of the Project Committee, primarily to give direction and
to report back to the Planning Commission.
Mr. Oquist said that it was possible that the Chairperson could be
an elected person that could appear at the Planning Commission meeting
to give the status report of the Project Committee.
Mr. Langenfeld said that perhaps a person from the Planning Commission
could start the Project Committee and, at a later time, have the members
of the Committee elect a person to be the Chairperson. He said that
the member of the Planning Commission could get the Committee going,
giving it proper di'r�cction, and then once established the members of
the Committee could take over.
Chairperson Harris said that since his main responsibility was to be
Chairperson o£ the Planning Commission, he would agree to start the
Committee of£ in the right direction, if that was what the Planning
Commission wanted him to do.
Mr. Boardman said that if the Chairperson of the Project Committee was
not a member of the Planning Commission, exactly what would the
responsibility of Staff be to that Committee. He wanted tc know exactly
what the Planning Commission wanted from Staff as to the support for
the Project Committee.
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Ms. Schnabel felt that Staff support would be very important to the
Energy Prcject Committee.
Mr. Boardman said that someone was needed to give general direction
to the Energy Project Committee and to keep the members of the
Committee going in that direction. He said the reasen he wanted a
person from the Planning Commission to be the Chairperson was so
that member could keep the Committee in a certain direction and only
call on Staff when it was needed and not necessarily have a full-time
staff person available for the Project Committee.
Ms. Schnabel said that if the right person was chairing that Committee
it would proceed in that manner. She said that the Chairperson would
probably be so intensly interested in the subject that they would
probably do most of the work themselves.
Mr. Boardman said that a certain Scope of the Project Committee had
to be set up with a person that could keep the Committee in line with
that scope.
Mr. Peterson said that what was needed was someone like Pat Gabe1
who did a fantastic job on the Sign Committee. He said that
Ms. Gabel kept that Committee moving with very little Staff help.
He said that the Sign Committee did such a great job because o£ this
individual.
Mr. Boardman said that the Ener�gy Project Committee could obtain
Staff help, Staff liaison, and secretarial help. He said that it
would have to be recommended by the Planning Commission to the City
Council.
Chairperson Harris suggested that the Planning Commission start the
Energy Project Committee out and convene and run it for a period of
time until the Committee was completely organized and operating and
at that time, it can be decided if the Committee should have an
election of a Chairperson. He felt that someone from the Planning
Commission should initially Chair the Energy Project Committee. He
said.that he would go to City Council and request some Staff time
and secretarial help.
Ms. Schnabel said that the Staff assistance should be on an "as need"
basis and that secretarial help should be on a regular� basis.
She said that all the organizational work should be completed on the
Energy Project Committee before the first meeting so that the members
would know exactly what would be expected of them.
Mr. Peterson said that the Planning Con�mission should have all the
preliminary work done for the Energy Project Committee by July 26, 1978.
Mr. Boardman said that he would put together a package of all the
information that he had thus far so that the members of the Planning
Commission could gather their thoughts to get the Energy Project
Committee into acticn.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 7 1978 Page 13
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Schnabel,that the
Planning Commission reeommend to City Council the need of
City Administrative help on an "as need" basis and for secretarial
help on a regular basis for the Energy Project Committee; and
that the Planning Commission accept the volunteering of Mr. Harris
to act as Chairperson of the Energy Project Committee; ar.d that the
organization of the Energy Project Committee be completed by
July 26, 1978.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
4. CONTINUED: RECYCLING PROJECT REPORT:
Ms. Schr.abel indicated that the item had been continued until such time
as a member of the Project Committee was present to answer questions.
She said that there was no one at the meeting from the Project Committee.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the person most involved was on vacaticn and
no one else was able to appear at the meeting that evening. He felt
that since the Planning Commission had questions regarding the
Recycling Project Report, a representative of that Committee should
be present to answer those questions.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to continue the
item until such time that a member of the Project Committee could
be present to answer the questions of the Planning Commission.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
5. RECEIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:_
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Peterson, that the Planning
Commission receive the May 9, 1978, minutes of the Community
Development Commission meeting.
Mr. Oquist said that the Advisory Standards for Land Use Regulations
was discussed at the meeting. He said that a motion was made by Connie
Modig and seconded by Kenneth Vos, to recommend to Planning Commission
that the minimum lot size for single family dwellings be no less
than 7,500 square feet and a minimum of 60 feet wide.
Mr. Oquist said that a motion wae also made by Connie Modig and
seconded by Al Gabel, to recommend to Planning Commission that the
existing Zoning Or�dinance was adequate for house size and that portion
of the Ordinance should not be changed.
He said that the recommendations were made primarily for the time
that the Zoning Ordinance would be reviewed.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 7 1978 Page 14
Mr. Oquist said that a Motion was made by Kenneth Vos, and seconded
by Connie Modig, that a garage was a structure which could be
considered a necessity for basic living needs and should still be
required in the Ordinance.
Mr. Harris said that the section of the Ordinance that addressed
garages wa� most confusing.
Mr. Boardman said that the main problem with the Ordinance was
that it always stated lot sizes and he felt that density should be
involved.
Chairperson Harris suggested that any land platted after a certain
date could be addressed in regards to density rather than lot sizes.
He said that a special platting ordinance could be drawn up to handle
that type of thing. He said in that way each parcel could be
addressed by itself.
Mr. Boardman said that something had to be developed to address
redevelopment of properties.
Chairperson Harris said that he didn't think that all the remaining
commercial lots could be developed as commercial enterprises. He
said it was very possible that requests wi11 be received to have
many of those lots rezoned to residential.
Mr. Oquist said that the point was that the Commission felt that
garages should be required.
Ms. Schnabel cited an example where the Appeals Commission felt it
had been right to waive the garage requirement. She said �hat there
were some situations that came up that would make it economically
unfeasible to build the garage at the time the house was constructed.
Mr. Oquist said that the citizens would still have the Appeals option.
Chairperson Harris said that the best way to handle the situation would
be by having a Platting Ordinance. He said that way rezoning hearings
would not have to be held.
Mr. Poardman said that by addressing the density rather than lot size
would allow the flexibility to have lot size coordinate with the
entire development.
Mr. Peterson said it would take maximum advantage of the topography
of the area being developed. He £elt that it would be a very workable
idea.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye the motion carried unanimously.
The Community Development Commission minutes of May 9, 1978, were
received at 10:39 P.M.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 7, 1978 Page 15
6. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MAY 16. 1978
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, that the Planning
Commission receive the Environmental Quality Commission minutes o£
May 16, 1978.
Mr. Langenfeld referenced Page 6 of the minutes regard.ing the Highway
Chemical Uses and Effects -- Run-Off. He said that he had gone
to the area in question and noticed exactly where the salt was going
into the soil and running into the river. He said that from the
river side, actual discoloration of the soil and the soil running
into the river was obvious. He said that the situation appalled him.
Mr. Langenfeld said that he decided to go into the area again and
confirm to himself what he had seen. He said that when he approached
the area, there were "No Trespassing" signs posted. He, therefore,
did not go into the property.
Mr. Boardman stated that the storage area of highway chemicals
was in the flood plein as well as in the Critical Area. He suggested
that a report be re-quested from staff regarding any problems that
were being experienced in that area. He said that way they could
find ou� what the State planned for that area as well as how it
would effect the Critical Areas.
Mr. Langenfeld said that Ray Leek had all the information. He
said that Mr. Leek was going to review the in£ormation to £ind out
if there were other areas that could be effecting the Critical Areas.
He said the information was from the work Mr. Langenfeld had done
regarding the "Non-Point Source Pollution Introduction".
UPON A VOICE VCTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that Staff be
directed to gather all the necessary information regarding possible
pollution problems in regards to the storage of highway chemicals
on East River Road, south of Interstate 694; and that a member of
the Environmental Quality Commission be allowed to attend when the
Staff person visited the site. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
7. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMI4SION MINUTES:
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MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning
Commission receive the May 22, 1978, minutes of the Parks and
Recreation Commission meeting.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 7, 1978 Page 16
Mr. Peterson referenced pages 9& 10 of the minutes regarding the
Hillcrest Petition for park area. He said that a motion was
made by Jan Seeger, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to recommend to
City Council, through Planning Commission, that the property in
question had never been park land, that it was not part of the
park plan, so additional land should r�ot be p�rchased and developed,
and that the possibilities of selling the land be explored and
the money from the selling o£ the land and money that would be
allocated by the developer be put into escrow for providing access
under the railroad tracks to connect that neighborhood with the
entire park system.
Mr. Peterson said that the Parks & Recreation Comn:ission wanted
the Planning Commission to indicate whether or not they concur
with the above motion, so that it would be forwarded to the City
Council.
Chairperson Harris asked what was developing regarding Locke Fark
and the possibility of Anoka County taking over the maintenance of
same.
Mr. Boardman said that he hadn't heard of anything regarding Locke
Park.
Chairperson Harris indicated that as Chair of the Planning Commission
he was requesting that the City Council respond to the previous
request on the possibility of turning Lock Park over to Anok.a County
for maintenance and operation as per an or•iginal request made some
time ago.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the
The minutes of the May 22, 1978, Parks
meeting were received at 11:00 P.M.
motion carried unanimously.
and Recreation Commission
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, that the Planning
Commission concur with the motion made by Jan Seeger and seconded
by Robin Suhrbier regarding the Hillcrest Petition £or park area.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
8. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 23, 1978
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Planning
Commission receive the Appeals Commission Minutes of May 23, 1978.
Ms. Schnabel explained the discussion the Appeals Commission had
regarding a variance request by Mr. & Mrs. Bethel. She said that
after much deliberation, it was decided that the intent had been
carried out in terms o£ the notifying the adjacent neighbors and
involved property owners. She said the Appeals Commission had been
uncomfortable handling the request because it was carried
through by the petitioners rather than through the normal channels.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - JtiNE 7, 1978 Page 17
Chairperson Harris indicated that a hand-carried notice was a proper
procedure of notification. He said that there had been a Supreme
Courth ruling that the hand-carried notice was one of the ways of
properly notifying involved property owners.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
9. OTHER
Mr. Langenfeld sa.id that the "ground breaking" ceremony for the new
Senior Citizen building located across £rom City Hall had been
very interesting.
ADJOURNMENT
Chairperson Harris declared the June 7, 1978, Planning Commission
meeting adjourned at 11:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
MaryLee Carhill
Recording Secretary
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