PL 01/10/1979 - 6646PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
City of Fridley
AGENDA
JANUARY 10, 1979
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 6, 1978
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IQ�l:�
7:30 P.M.
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PRELIMINARY 14 ' 19
n. rHrcrc utvt��rritiui t,UKt'UKHIlUN: iiElYtg a replat of Uutlot
H, Innsbruck North, except that part already platted as
Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 4, and parts of Innsbruck
North Second and Third Additions, generally located North
Of I.694, between Meister Road and the Corporate Limits
of the City of Fridley.
2. VACATION REQUEST, SAU #78-05 VIKING ENGINEERING AND DEUEtOP- 2� ' 2$
MENT COMPANY: Vacate the easement for drainage and utilities
that was retained when Gumwood Street was vacated (SAV #73-12,
Houser), except that part actually needed by the utility
companies, described as follows: 7he easement lying between
Block 5 and Block 6, Onaway Addition, and bounded on the
North by the Westerly extension of the North line of Block 6,
6naway Addition, and bounded on the South by the Westerly
extension of the South Tine of Lot 11, Block 6, Onaway Addition,
to allow the enclosure of a storage dock at 7740 Seech Street
N.E.
3. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
21, 1978
5. (A.) Purchase of Ta e Reco
see pages 10 and 11
4. RECEIVE PARKS & RECRFATI�N CO
for Commissi
SION MINUTES:
NOVEMBER BLUE
5. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 12, 1978
6. RECETVE ENVI
ON MINUTES:
l. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 26, 1978
8. RECEIVE ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MINUTES: DECEMBER 13 1978
9. CON7INUED: MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT:
10. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING
GREEN
YELLOW
BLUE.
YELIOW
WHITE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLAPdPiING C��Nl�lISSION MI�`t`IPIG, DECEMf3ER 6� 1978 __
CALL T4 ORDEfi:
Chairman 3iarria called the December 6, 1978, Planning Commission Meeting to order st
7:35 P.M.
ROLL CALL•
Members Preeeut: Ned Storle, LeRoy Oquist� Riohard Harria� Virginia Schnabel,
Robert Peterson� James Langenfeld
Membera Absent: None
Others Prefient: Jerry Boardman, City Planner
1. APPROVE PLANVING C0.'fJ�7ISSI0N MINLITES: NOVENflER 22, 1978:
MQTION by Mr. Langenfeld� secpnded by Mr. Oquist ta approve the Novemher 22, i978
Planning Commission Miautes.
Ms. Schnsbel noted that on page 5, the last paragraph� Chairman Harris�s nam� was
left oSf the recorded vote. Cbairman Fsrris voted aye.
Mr. Storla noted that on page 9, third p&ragraph shauld read: "Ms. Storin stated
that lo4r inecn�a paaple pay ten times more cf the3r �xosa income on energy than
the upper most income people". Change middle income ta upper most incar�e.
UPO:V A VOIC�' VOTE� ALL VOTING AYEj CAAI's,p,�'fE1Pi IiARRIS DECLARED THE MINUTES APPROVED�
AS CORRECTEA.
2. PUBLIC HEARIIvTG' �0�,�?)FRA`PTQAt OF A PR(7Pt�S'�'n PRT'TTh"TRTARY PTATTP,FS�7f�-n 7Fi_Sdpa
RFAiTY F�.___ 7Z"�`t' AnD7T70'�' T�Y RAY R W��NSRFGKFR� Being a replat Of &11 of th2
Southwest Quart2r o; the Pdorthwest Quarter oi Sectton 2, T-30, R-24� Anok�
County, b'innesota; except the South 877.87 feet thereof� lying Wester3y of
State Trunk Hig9wey Pio. h7. Subject to essement for utility purpases over the
North 20 feet of said Southweat Quarter of the P��rthwest Quarter� lying Wester]y
o£ present State Trunk Highwey No. k7 excegt Easterly 115 feet thereoi, and the
West 2Q feet of the Easterly 115 Yeet oY ssid southwest Quarter of the Nort3wes�c
Q,uarter, lying Ylester�y and adjacent to West line of State Trunk Fiighway T�io. 47�
generally located at 83rd and t3niversity Avenues N.E.
MOTTON by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Na�. Iangenfeld to open the publ3c hearing.
UPON A VQIC� VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN III�RRIS DECLARED THE PUBlTC HEARING OPEN
AT 7:40 P.M.
Mr. Boardman atated this was located on 83rd Detweeu Main and Univer�ity, where the
House of Lords wa� preeent]y located. This property was zoned heavy industrinl and
they are looking at an acre and a half parcel. The pl�tting as layed out meets all
the requirements of our platting ordinance. Sewer e�nd water is in 83rd Etreet amd
Main Street and will be extended drnm the service drive� so all of the lots are
served by sewer and �ater. Mr. Boardman stated that Staff felt thrit it should be
stipulated that before aqy develogment takes place, there should be a storm wnter
retention plan. On all nerr parcels, plate or new developmentsJ there should be
on-eite storm crater retention.
PLANNING COP+Q4ISSTON MEETING DECENU3ER 6, lq7$ PAGE 2
Mr, Boardman atated that there were 5 lota in Block 2, and 1 Iot in Block 1. Lots
1 snd 2 of Block 2, end Lot 1 of Slock l� are zoned commercial {C•2). Lots 3, 4 and
5 of Block 2 sre zoned industrial.
Mr. Peterson asked what the situation wee regarding Park Dedication.
Mr. Bqardman etated thet vith commerclsl and industrial property� they tske Yees with
development, in other words, they ebarge it of£ as part of the Building Permit. With
single femily it would be pqyable at the time oY the plat. With c�mercisl and indust-
rial it amounts to 3`�•
Mr, Iiarris asked the petitioner to step forward.
�. Ray Wormsbecker, 3200 N. Lilac Drive came forward and stated that tha reason they
wanted to plst tMis piece of property was that first oP all the House of Lords was
builfi on pert oY it and the City, Mr. Boardman and the Staff, was interested in having
it platted out sa they can use it for Yuther development, snd he rras doing th� job.
Mr. Harris asked if they had all the necessary easements on this plat.
Mr. Bosrdman that he believed they did� and according to the cam�ments from Clyde, they
had all the easements they needed at this time.
tfir. Harris aeked tf there would be e need for any essementa on the south property line.
Mr. Boardmen stated that they Wouldn't� that aZl necessary utilitiea were in the boa].e-
vard area.
Mr. Peterson asked if, regarding the storm uater disposal, it would be the responsibility
of Whcever took out s building permit on a specific pareel.
Nir. Boardman atated that, in this situstion, they would like to coordinate the drainage
between the three parcels, ar.d if this was possible, they wocald like to have it done at
th3:s time. If they felt they couldn�t hsnd�le it at this time� they zrould then have to
wait for the developmettt.
Mr. Harris stated that he felt the lots Kere large enou�h t� get on-site drainage.
Mr, Langenfeld stated that this groperty was the starting point oP their environmental
tour and from his observatlon� did not feel that on-sfte cirainage would be a problem.
MdPION by Mr. LangenPeld� seconded by Mr. Peterson� to close the Public Hearing.
tJPON A VOIG`E VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN FiARRIS DECLARED "'F� PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
AT 7;50 P.M,
M�ION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Oquist to recommend to Council approval of
the request to consideration of a proposed preliminary plat, P.S. �78-06, CABA Realty
Firat Addit3on by R�yr R. Wormsbecker: Being a replat of ell of the Southwest Quarter
of the Northwest Quarter of Section 2� T-30, R-24� tlnoka County, Minnesota; except
the South II77,87 feet thereof� 1,ying Westerly af State Trunk Highway No. �+7. Subject
to easement for utility purposes over tbe Ptorth 20 Feet of said Southwest Q.uarter of i
the Northuest Quarter, lying Wester�}r of present State Trunk Highway No. �+7 except ,
Easter�y 115 feet thereof, and the West 20 feet of the Easterly 115 feet oP said South- �
uest Quarter of the Northwest Querter, lying Westerly and adjacent to Weat Iine of
State Trunk Highway No. �7� generally located at 83rd and University Avenues N.E.
PLAPTNIPdG CO?+�Qd2SSI0N MEETItdGf DECEME�ER 6, 1978 — P�E 3
UPON A VOSCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHATRMAi3 HARRIS DECL,4RED THE MdI'ION CARRIID
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Boardman stated that the stipulation Would be handled with the Ruilding Permit.
3. P[SALIC iLARII3G: COi�15FDF�iATSON OF A R�:nVEST FOR A SPECIAI, U5E PERMIT�SP��7f3-13�
BX STE�IEN yi?N50;1, D��E A MINPdE°6TA PE'rHOLEUtS ��P,VICB: Per �ection 205.101, 3, 0�
of the Fxidley Cc�3e� to allow sales aua service i'or the instAllation of service
etation equipment on Lots 20, 21 and 22, Block 13, Hamiltan's Addition to
Mechenic�ville, the same being 5333 university Avenue N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Storla, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VQTING AYE� CHAIPMAN FiARRIS DECLARID THE PUBLTC FiEARING OPEN
AT 7:53 P.t•s.
Mr. Boardman stated tbat this was another proposal Por the old Metro 5� station.
Mr. Oqniat asked what had happened to the sfgn campar{y that Was there.
Mr. Boardman stated that the sign compsny had pulled out after they received approval
fr� City Covncil.
Mr, Boardman stated that these people repair and work on �as pumps. Mr. Boardman atated
they srere looking at tke same basic i.zmrovements they had discussed with the si�n
campa�y. They �t*ere plsnning on doin� laudscaPing and curbing in tbe front ar2a, �nd
there would be a boaz'd-on-board ecreenin� fence in the back erea. There would 'oe aoma
outside storage of eguipment and gas p�ps. h3r. Eoardman poi.nted out thst the Zaad-
scaping and curbing and green erea in froni wdll be a generAl i�provenent of the aree�
and would be tied in with the landscsping af tha Standard Station next door.
Mr. Steven Aanson, 12057 Duke Drive i1.E, cane forward and read the Yollowing letter:
"Minnesota PetroleLVi was formed in P7s� oi 1975. A�innesota Petroleum is basically s
service organization which does work for various campanies and individaals who use
petroleum pro3ucts. Some of the services we provide include pr3vate fueling systems�
such as the one we are presently doing at .'.ambert Lwnber in Fridley. We elso do
installation at apartment complexe� for their secondary heating systems, wh2ch is
usually fueZ oil. Hoaever, most of our customers are service st.ations. The services
which we provide include repair of pumps which people mey have ran into from time to
time, equipment breakdowns, we do ur.derground tank and �'uel system installatians� we
do piping, hoist instslletions attd lubrication systems. Most of our work is done away
Yrom shop locetion, however we do need a shop critb adequate outside storage for bul�}r
items such es air compressors, hoists, pumps, miscellsneous equipment� and their oWn
equip�nent." Mr. Hanson stated that he felt they would be en asset to tbe City of
Fridley and would try to keep the property in a very tidy and neat organization and
keep it plessing to evezybody cdncerned.
Mr, Harris asked i£ the outside storage a�ea vould be used basically for pumps in line
Yor repair, or if they were going to store tanks back there or what.
Mr. Hanson stated tbey have en air compressor and jack ba�aer which they �aould store
on the oide. They also have several 2-wheeled trailers they use for hauling equipment.
The pumps they wpuld be storing would be pucaps tbey are holding £or customere� or p�pa
waiti� for repair, and occasionally new pu+..nps. Mr. Hanson stated they were going
to install a fence that would be 6 to 7 feei high, to keep everything be1oW eye level�
and zrould be a fence you couldn't see through� because they would like to keeg people
away from those thinga.
PLAAINING COMMISSION MEE'I'ING, DECPMB�i 6� 1978 PAGE �
Mr, Fierria asked if they Would be storing containera oP any kind.
Mr. Hanson stated they would possfbly be atoring 55 6allon drums for hoist oiI and
motor oil. They would want to keep the underground storage tenks that are preaently
there far fueling their own trucks� and make use of them, so they would not have s�y-
thing that dangeroue above ground.
Mr. LangenfeAd asked if t8ere would be welding on the prem3ses.
Mr. Hanson stated that they occasionally do mi.nor Welding, and do have an arc vrelder,
but would use it very aeldom. Usually they would do the welding on the jab, away frmn
the ahop. Most of the work woul.d be done at the customers place, rather than on the
premi.sea .
Mr. Oquist asked if they would have a paittt booth, to paint the pumps when they repair
them.
Mr. Hanson stated they ususally don't do any painting, other t}�an vrith a sprqy can.
Ms. Schnabel asked how they xould use the building, if they wovld be storing any vehicles
in there.
Mr. Hanson stated they would have the hoist in there, and that they do their am main-
tenance on their own trueksy and would use it £or thst. Also they would stcare parta
and maintenance type items, such as pump handles, etc., in the service bay to the north.
Also� in the south portion of the building, in addition to repairing their awn trucks�
they would set up a shop to rep8ir a�Ything that got damaged� such pwnps which were run
lnto.
Ms. SchnabeI. asked how soon they would start operating aYter they received complete
approval� and haw soon they would start construction of the screening fence.
Mr. Hans� stated he vould move into the Pacility as soon as poss3ble, end as far ss
the fence, he Wesn't sure what the frost situation vras. Nr. Hanson stated that they
had a t3metable they trould follow which inc2uded removing the 4 lights in front, re-
move the concrete sign in the boulevard, remove the bumper guards on the existing
islands, take care oP the conerete in front so tt�ey could plow, and so no one would
atep in there. FIe would like to get the fence up this year 1f the frost �asn't too
bad� and �ras looking at 1978 to get those things done, and would install the green
area in the front in the spring oF 1979. Also they would be Fixing ug an office area.
Ma. Schnabel stated she could understand the haidships of putting up a fence in the
�ri.nter, but Was concemed about the gas pumps and such Which would be stored outside
snd vould create an un-sightiy si�uation for the res3dents adjacent to the property�
and felt the residents xouldn�t like it.
Mr. Hanaon stated he would like to get the fence up before they started storing any-
thing out�ide, and if they couldn't get the whole fence up, m$ybe they could at least
get the beck psrt up.
Mr. Boardman atsted that he had discussed they vrl.th Mr. Hanson and told him it wauld
probebly be a condition that the fence be put up as aoon ss possible. Mr. Boardmsn
also noted that Mr. Hanson hsd a jack ha�ner, which would help.
PLANPiING CONINQSSION MF�ETIIdG� DF.CEMBER 6 1�"ZS - PAGE 5
Ms. Schnabel noted that Mr. Eanson was preaently located in N`dnneapolia, and a�ked
if they would be combining all their facilities into this one location.
Mr. Hanson atated that they would.
Ms. Lan�enfeld asked if Mr. Boardman oP Mr. Hanson had made the list on page 20 oi
the agenda.
Mr. tianson stated he had made the list and noted that the fence would be board, not
chain link.
Mr. Oquist noted that Np. 8 on the list mentianed st.orage af solvent.
Mr. Boardman stated that they hed three tanks underground and would use one £or heating
oil, one for the storage o£ solrent, and one for gasoline for their ovn vehicles.
Mr. LangenPeld stated that the Cou�ercial-Ittdustrial Purchase Agreement stated tbe
offer wocil.d be nu11 and void iY the bqyer did not accept the property "&s-is", etc.
and would like to know if 2dr. Aa.nsan had accepted the property "as-is".
D's. Hanson stated there was an attachment with contin�ences regarding the heating
system, 6ound construction� and approval of the Specisl Use Permit� etc.
Mr. Lsnsenfeld asked if they found a tank leaking, did they repart it ta the Pollution
Control.
Mr. Aanson stated tl�,ey do deal caith the PCA and are obligated to notify them if a cus-
tomer even suspects a leak.
MOTTON by Mr. Langenfald, secon3ed by Mr. Oquist to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN T7ARRSS DECLARED THE PUBLIC I-L�ARTNG CL4SED
AT 8:26 P.M.
Ms. Scbnabel stated that at the time o£ the last request on this property, there were
several neighbGrs who came and were concerned about screening, and ii b�r. Fianson were
willing to screea the rear property line ium:ediate],y, either prior to start of opera-
tion or at the time operAtion begins, she �rould have no objection.
Mr. Boardman stated that if they cou2d get the rear screened� they should be able to
screen a11 of it and felt a condition should be that they screen all of it immedfately.
btOTI4:v by Ma. Schnabel, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to z•ecommend to Council approval of
the request for a Specisl Uce Permit, 5P-�78-13, by 5teven Hanson� D�Fi�A Minnesota
Petroleum �ervice; Per Section 205.101, 3, 0, of the Fridley Code, to allow saies
and serv3ce for the installation o£ service station equipment on Lats 20, 21., and 22�
B1ock 13, Fiamilton's Addition to N.echsnicsville, the same being 5333 �niversity Ave. :dF.
with the stipulation that solid screening fence be erected ircmediately on the outside
storsge area� and also the stipulat3on that landscaping be completed in the Spring and
be coordinated and compatible with the laudscaping of Standard 031 on the south side.
PLANPIING COMNSSSION MEETING� DECEMBER C, Z978 PAGE 6
Mr. Lsngenfeld stated that he would likc to commend Mr. Haneon Yor his presentationJ
and felt that if hia business wea as good ss h1s presentationJ he Would be an asaet
to the CSty.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN IfARRIS DECLARF�D THE MOTION CARRIED
4. Ldf SPLIT REQUGST L,S. �'JS-05 BY DAN-LAN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Split off
the South half of Lot , and add it to Lot 7, oll in Eilock 1� Hamilton's Addition
to Idechanicsville, ior the purpose of moving q doixble bungalow oa the combined
area, located just s¢uth of 5�+30 5th Street N.E.
Mr. Boaxdman stated that this wae located on 5th Street just south of the property
they recently spproved for a tri-ple�s. tJhen that request went to Council last Monday�
they iuformed Council that they had picked up Lot 4� as reconmmended by Planning.
This lot split vould be on Lot 6 for the develoor� nt of a duplex. The duplex would
be built south of the cingle family house which was on Lot 5 end I,ot 6. With this
lot split� there was a veriance going through presently. The variance would be on
the Appeals Commission agenda on December 26. 4'hey w�v1d xieed a vsri�nce on lot area
end also a variance £or setback distance from the single family house. If tkey approved
the lot split at this time� it could be subject to the variance approval by the Ejoard oP
Appeals. The reason it was coming ap at two dif£erent time like this Was that they
received an attorneys determination on the lot sp2it� aad his determination was that on
lot splita� variances shou2d be separate because variances require public hearings and
lot splits do not.
Mr. Harris aeked what the situation wss with the garage on Lot 5.
i�h�. Boardman stated that the garA�e was being moved to the back oP Lot 5 and Nould be
totaly on Lot 5. The split would be right down the mi.ddle oP I,ot 6.
Mr. Harris asked if those were aIl §0 foot 1ots.
Mr. Boardman stated they Were and the split would give them two 60 foot building sites�
at 100 feet deep.
Mr. Harlan King� 5h30 5th Street N.E., bame forwsrd and stated he I.ives in the single
house. Mr. King stated that there was a double bungalow in Minneapolis that must be
moved because oP a highway, and tkey wouid like to byy it and move it in� but they have
not yet purehased it and were not sure they could get it. If they could not purchase
this particular duplex, they woul.d build a double bungalow on the lot.
Mr. Harris stated 1P they did move the doub2e bungalrn+ in, upon maving it in, they would
4ave to meet all the requirements of the City Code� and should elso cheek into the
requirements of the Energy Code� and make sure it meets the Eaergy Code.
Mr. Boasdman stated that the City's inspector wou3d hsve to look at it beYore they
moved it in and also after they moved it in.
Mr. Harris stated he brought this up because it could effect the negotistions concerning
the purchsse oT the double bungalo�r.
PLFlNNING COMMTSSSON NR�TINGr DECEMEEF bf 1 7�, - PAGE 7
Mr. Dan Couture� 2518 dackson Street td.E., acked if the lot split were approved and
they could not purchase the double bungalow, end decided to build with the seme
dimenaiona and all� would it be a problem.
Mr. Eiarria stated iC Would not if.they had the vsriances and met them.
Mx. I�oardman ststed this area was zoued R-3, �o the zoning Has correct and pointed out
that the structure surraunding this property was four-plexes and mutttple family units.
Mr. Couture pointed out that they had ihe only front drivewqy in ihe block, and when
the garage gets turned aroun3� they would be using the aLtey� so there would then be
no drivew�y+s in the front.
Mr. Boardman asked hov old the structure was that they were planning to mwe in.
Mr. Couture stated it �ras 12 years old end was stucco with a brick front.
Mr. Aarris asked if they would need a�Y easements.
Mr. Boardman stated he had talked to Clyde, and as far as he knew� they needed no
easements.
Ms, Schnabel stated that she felt this proposal woul@ be very compatiblE with the
neighbori�oal. The only single family dwelling belonged to the petitioner, and the
other structures were multiple family units. In terms oY visual in�acb� a double
bungalrn+ would be good on t�at lot.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by his. Schnabei, to recomnend to Council approvaZ
of the Lot Split request, L.s. ,�7fl..o5, b,y Dan-Lan De+�•elopmznt Corpoxation: Sp1it off
the South half' of Lot 6, &nd add it to Lot 7, aZl in 31ack I1� Haailton's Addition to
Mechanicsville, for the purppse of moving a double 8ungaloW on the caabined area, lo-
cated just sowth of' S43o gt� Si;reet N.E. with the stipuletion that the variance requeats
ere approved by the Hoard of .4ppeals, and also the stipulation that the building aeets
the City of I'ridley's puilding and Energy Codes.
UPON A VOIC� VO'I`E� � VOTIA'G AYEs CHAIRt�4AIN HARRsS DECLAit£1) THE 2:CIPION C.4P�RIF:D
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. CONi'INU�A: MEN:O.RAATDLTMI OF AGREEP•'IENT:
A1r. Storla noted that this item had been tabled.
E>. CONSULTAI:'T PROPOSALS FOR DOi;iNTO+dN REVITALI7.4TZON: MIDWEST PLANNING APID RESEtaRCH, ING�
DEVELOPI�NP COSiCEP'1' CORPORIITIUNt LE :1 A�ADSEN� PR�FESST�NAL PLAPRJING & DEVEI,OPt�:1T
Mr. Boardman atsted that Council wou).d probabl,y be selecting a consultant at their
December 18th meetin�,r, end right now the City Manager's office was in the process of
an extensive review of ihe proposals.
Mr. :iarris aeked if they had received any response Prom the local businesa cosmiunity
or the Chamber of Co�erce regarding this proposal.
Mr. Boardman stated he had not heard any response as yet� 4nd atated that at the meeting
where the conaultants made their proposals, about 70� of the lendo�*ners wzre represented
and he hud talked to a�e of tl�em after the meeting and Fred Levi was very interested in
the prapossls.
PLANNIPtG CO2+�+IISSION M�ETIPIG, DECE'�IER 6� i978 Par,E 8
Mr. Peteraon ststed that in talking to busineasmett in the community who were resident
taxpeyers, it had been indicated to him that they felt ihe big push for hiring e
eonsultant was because the Staff end professionals in City government were looking for
justification for plens that they �rould like to take place in downtown Fr3dley.
Mr. Boardman siated that they had recelved a letter from the Chamber of Commerce asking
them to look into this, but there was no push i'rom Staff. Mr. Boardman indicated that
StafP wou2d 2ike to see aomething happen as far as development goes, but they do not
have development plans snd would not be putting d'evelopment plans together. Their
intent on the whole proposal and the way they wrote the whole proposal xss thet they
Were looking for private initiative with the possiUllity of packaging land or making
land available for development. At that point in time, any development proposals that
wouJ.d come in would be judged on their own merit by the City Council and the proposals
per se, would tcave to come from private developers, and would not be proposed by the
City Staff for private deve2opment.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he thovght this began because of the lsnd north of City Hall.
Mr. Boardman stated that it had started when the City Council Wes diseussing wbether or
not to purchase that grogerty and there were discussions with the Chamber of Coffinerce
at thst time, and also with the business owners in the downtown area. There were a lot
of difFerent ideas as to what to do with the land available and at that goint in time�
the Chamber of Cammerce requested they look into the possibility of hiring a consvltant.
At that point in time� Council stated they would put so nuch moaey into a consultants
report if they had s response from some of the business argattizations. After that, the
consultants lists rrere put together and sent out.
Mr. Petersoa stated that the downtam area, unless they could do something with Highway
N0. 47� looks to him that they have some very difYicu:.t times ahead juat because ai the
problem of the Highway in terms of tying it together. 2✓r. Peterson also stated that if
the Chamber of Co�nerce and the edjacent property owners were so intereste3, wl�y don�t
tBey do like they did with the Aiet Stadium, in other words� if they wani City tax noney
spent on consultants, they shou3.d came up with part oP it� because they are the ones
who would benefit. Mr, Peterson stated that he felt very few peo�le would benefit from
this study, other than the business owners in the area of downtown.
Mr. Iloardman stated he felt that the City would also benefit becsuse the City was aitting
with a lot of acres thst were undeve2oped or under-develaped. This property is just
sitting vacant and probsbly would reciain vacant for a long peried of time and the type
of deve2opment that might come out oY there may not be the type o2' development that would
be benefic3al to the City. If the City, with the support of tbe Chamber of Commnerce and
the businessmen in the area can put together psekc�ges to spark development, wY�y notT
Mr. Peter=on stated tr.at he sti11 felt that the property owners wou3td be the ones to
benefit and they should come up with some money and not take it out of the Citv tax
money which is bssicelly residents. Mr. Peterson stated he was not sure this wss a
legitimate fvnetion of City goverr.ment.
Mr. Iangenfeld atsted that he bad noted thot throughout the documents he had noted that
they woc:id utilize tax increment financing mechanism and would like an explanation of
that term.
Mr. Boardman stated that tex 3ncrement financing was that it takes property that is pre-
sently property that is at a I.rnrer tax base, and throu�h the selling of bonds they acquire
the property, develop the property to a higher tax level snd the difference between the
two tsx Ievels pays off the bonds� and tY�en over a period of yeqrs or crhat they call
increment�, those bonds are paid ofi' with the differences in taxes and at that point in
time� the City would be getting a higher tax level out of the property.
PLANNING CONR+IISu20N M!"F.TIN� DECF.i�1?ER 6, 1978 PAGE 9
Mr. Langenfeld stated that it sounded speculative to h1m.
Mr. Eoardm�n stated this was used rather heavi3,y ell over the State.
Me. Schnabel asked if that was done by re-zoning the property or by improving the
property.
Mr. Boardman stated it was done by the Housing and Redevelopment Authority acqviring
the property through bonds, they then make the property available for development at
X number of dollars, and when the buildings are constructed or co:�pleted, they go on
the ta�c rolls at a hi�Ler level, and the dif£erences in taxes from before and after
the develapment is whst they use to pay off the bonds. °o it is basically property
improvement.
Mr. Oquist statec2 he had heard discussions to the effect that it woul3n't be worth
doing anythin� to dowr.town Fridley Lecause of the three major shopping centers� North-
town, Apache, and Brookdale.
Mr. :iarris stated it could be a combination oY local shopping, offices and residential.
N`s. Oquist acked who would pay for the development.
Mr. Boardman stated private developers would p�y for it.
Mr. Boardman ctated tha� this was a sta�ea developm�xit type of proposal. Sta�e E woul.d
be a review of the markets analysis� review of soi2� revieu of sewer sud uater locations
throughout the area. Stage II wo�i7.d be to analyze an economic feaeibility study� to see
if it would be feasiole Por the City, through tax increment and other financial or funding
progracis, to put tcgether packages of lar.d. St�ne III would be a develop�ent prospectus
where they would put together prospectus' to sen3 out to developers so they ccu13 have
development proppsals comi,ng back to the City at the type of dallars they would be looking
for, £or the pacicages.
Mr. Oquist asked if they had a�y guarantee from the existing land owuers and businessmen�
that Khichever consultant they ehoose� i:hey will go along with it and be wil].ing to
develop the area.
Mr. Boardman stated the consultants would work very closely with the 1¢nd rnaners and
businessmen, hopefully organize some kind of land development program with them.
Mr. Oquist stated it should come from the businessmen end land owners, not from the
City, in order to insure they will back it once they are tbere.
Mr. Peterson stated he felt it was not being developed at present because ii obv3ous�,y
Would not be economically feasible unlecs the City cv:nes in and bails out the present
property ovners with tAx dollars, and what they are actually doing was subsidizing
existin� property ormers to �et the property to sell it to another developer at a lorrer
than realistic cost and that doesn't add up to him tbat they should be doing thia with
tax dollars.
PLANNINC COMMiSSI0i1 MEETING, DECEMDER 6, 1978 PAGE AO
Mr. Boardmr�n stated they would make that money up w3th the amow�t of taxes they vould
get out of the property sfter it was developed.
Mr. Lar�enfe7.d stated ti�at Pr �a the meeting the other night where this was discussed,
he underatoai that if Phase I sho�ed it Nas not economical]y feasfble� it would end
the whole thiag, and also the peopl.e ke had talked to about this Yelt that the major
shopping centers vere �mothering the businesses economically in Fridley and because
of thst they xould end up with this type of study sooner or later, hfr. Langenfald
stated he fe7.t there uas an ecomomic deterioration going on right now in the City of
Fridley� and they would have to act to revit3lize the whole econoupr.
Mr. Harris stated they hsd tried private developarent in the ares and it d3dn't work.
It appears to him that they need leadexship and the consultants would provide that.
The idea behind the consvltants was to h�zve them tell the City what tract they shoiil.d
be on. They recauuaended at the meeting with Council, that they stage this cflnsultants
business in four stages which would coincide with the consultants� pk�ases. AYter each
phase� the City would receive a regort, ana�yze it and then decide if they shauld go on
to the next phase. Mr. Harris stated that one of the things that bothered him about the
proposals was that the language regarding prices was kind of loose. If you added up the
top end o£ all their ranges, it added up to �42,000. Another thing that bothered him
was that the proposals implied that in order to entice a private developer in here� they
would have to give awqy sometbing. It was not in there in writing� but was implied.
Mr. Boardman stated thst he felt they meant that the City woul.d have to provide incentive�
using some of the fir.ancia2 too2s a�railable to them to encourage development. If they
use ts�c dollars to encourage development, they would get tax dollars out oY it.
Mr. Peterson stated be couldn't see what they would put in to generate tax dollars� if
it wasn't commercial.
hh�. Boardm.an stated they could, for instance, put in a six story building uith ofiices�
residents, and lower cammerci9l.
Mr. Peterson stated that could be done by changing zoning.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that they should contact some of the ather cities that have gone
through this. In the city of Faribault, for instance� he was aware thst it didn't work
to have consultants plan development.
Mr. Boardman stated they were presently ckeckfng with all the other cities these con-
sultants have worked for.
Ma. Schnabel asked hox many acres oP land they were talkin� about in the atudy.
Mr. Boardman stated that had estimated that the amount of laud that could be open Yor
development was from 30 to 40 acres.
Ms. Schnabel stated �Chat she uas not recoannending they do it, but it seemed to her that
$42,000 was not a 1ot oP money when tkey were talking about 40 acres.
PLAPINING COMS9ISSION MEETZNG� DECED'L�ER 6� ].978 PAGE 11
Ms. Schnabel asked iY the Chamber of Co�mnerce or the businessmen ittvolved had been
approached ta come up with some of the money.
Mr. Boardman stated, te the best of hia knoaledge, they had not.
MCYPION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to reco�end to Council that Lhey pro-
ceed wtth a consultant� but that they proceed with either specisl assessment oY the
property owners in the ares or with a cooperative financing of 2/3ras - 1/3ra. 2�3rds
of tnx dollars and 1�3rd from the property owners in the area to pay £or it.
Ms. Schnabel stated an sttempt ehould be made to txy to encourage the business co�unity
in the area to become involved in a financia7. way.
UPON A VOICE VdI'�, ALL VQTING AYE� CHAIRN'�AN HARRIS DECLARED TfiE MOTIQN CARRIED
UNANI2d0U5LY.
Mr. Harris stated he felt they should select thz least expensive consultant, Professional
Planning and Development, because Phase I and Phsse II would be the sane from any of the
three consultants. Prafessional Planning and Develcpment would cost $15,5ofl.
MOTIOid by Mr. Storla, seconded by Mr. Oquist to recommend to Council that they select
Professional Planniug and Development.
Ns. Langen£eld stAted he would like to hear what other cities that have used this con-
sultant had to say. :ie feit Profession�l Planning and Development�s presentatinn was
too techaicAl and it iaas difficult to underst�tnd what he was sayia�.
M�. Schnabel stated that Pro£es�iona2 Pl�nn�ng and Development teads to lean very heavily
toward government fi:iancing u*ith a lot of the projects �]zey had discu�sed, more so than
the other two. P7ot havin� heard the actual proposals made by the geople involved with
this, s.*.e would vote against the wotion because she did not feel qualffied at this point
to go alon ; critll this recoamendation.
Mr. Losrdmsn stated that �ll af the cansultants would have to use some kind of tax incre-
ment or i'ederal funding.
Mr. Peterson stated he felt somewhat Zike Ms. Schnabel, but having resd the proposals,
he felt Professional Plauning and Development rras more realistic as to where t2:e money
uas coming from than the other two.
Mr. Harris stated he was disappointAd with the response they received� in receiving pro-
postzls from onJ,y three. Also he felt the consultants who did submit proposals could
have done more ground work, Mr. Harris siated he felt they did not have a good ieel / i
as to what the City was looking for, but maybe it wasn't unusual at this point.
Mr. Boardman stated that Professional Planning and Development had pushed for involvement
oY the drnmtown business community.
t�fr. Langenfeld stated that he felt more study should be done� and would not vote for
the motiou
Ms. Schnsbel stated she wasn't agatnst it, but didn�t feel prepared to select one plan
over the other.
UPON A VOICE VpTE, MR. HARRIS� MR, PET�RSON, MR, C/�UIST, MR, STORLA VOTING AYE� AND
MS. SCHNABEL AND Mti, LpNGENFELD VOTING NAY� CiiAIRMf�N Fi/tRRIS DECLAR�D THE MOTTON CARR�D
4 TO 2
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DSCEN�E73 6� 19%8 - PAGE 12
7. RECEIVF COMMUNITX D�VFLOPMED'T COMMISSION MINU`i'ES; NOVEMBER 14� 1978:
NOTIGN by M.r. Ocuist, secor,ded by D7s. Schnabel, to receive the November 14, 2978,
Community Development Commission minutes.
Mr. Oquist stated they had spent the Whole time going through the zoning changes�
ami hoped to ftnish it off next time.
UPON A VOICE VO'I'E� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN iiARRIS DECT,FlAED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNAA'TNOUSLX.
8. RECEIVE EPIERGY PROJECR' CON�hfI2TEE MINiT'ES: N�VEb'IDL+Ti 15, 19`��
M02'ION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Storls� to receive iYie November 15� 1978,
Energy Project Counnittee minutes.
Mr. Harris atated they had s gocd turn-out and at the next meeting they would select
a chairman. Fie woul.d not be able io attend the uext meeting an@ asked Mr. Langettfeld
to lead it.
Mr. Boardman stated that N5P and M�nnegasco would have resource people at the next
meeting and they would alsa have resource people attend the meetings reguiarly.
Mr. Langenfeld asked Mr. Harris if he was open for noarination to chair the Committee.
Mr. Harris stated he ho�ild do whatever the Committee wanted him to do.
UPON A t'OICE VOTE, ALL VOTIAG AYE� CIiAIRMAN H!',Rl?IS DECT.�tRED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANI270USLY.
9. RECEIVE APPEALS COt�L�IISSION MINtPi�B: SPSCIAL ME'E"I'ING, NOVEMBER 28� 1978:
MOTSON by N,s. Schna8el, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to receive the Norember 28, 1978,
Appeals Commission minutes.
Ma. Schnabel stated they were sti11 working on the 2oning ordinance, but would not have
another special meeting. Page 1 refers to their concern for definitions Yor "Family"
and "Occupancy Limit" and had received a copy of Minneapoli:,' housing code and their
definition oP "Family" was briefly,they consider family to be persons who are related.by
blood, marriage, edoption, ete., and for that there is no limit on the n�nber of persons
per houseaold. People who are non-related are limited to 5 people per household
in excess af parents and children i£ it is a foster home or that type oi thing.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if Mr. Boardman would broaden himself regazding his coimnent on
page 1, the last psragraph, re�arding periodic review of Specisl Use Permits. Mr.
Boardman had stated that periodic review would create=a lot of extra paper work and
wouidn't aceomplisk much. It uould be better to handle it on a complalnt bssis.
Mr. Soardman stated that was wlaat he wanted to say� and dida�t see the productiveness
of per3odic review.
Mr. Langenfeld asked iP Mr. Boardman had found anything regarding state codes on
building permits.
Mr. Boaidmen ctated he hadn�t 2ooked into it yet.
UPON A VOICE V(7I'E� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIFMAN HFlRRI9 DECLARED TF� MOTTON CARRIID UNANIT40USLY
PLAPINING CO2dMISSION hlk�'E;TING, DECEMf3ER 6� 1978 PAGE l3
10. dPitER Bi7SII�SS:
A. Mr. Peterson stated that the Parks and Recreation Commiasion h.ad met on November 27,
but the minutes weren�t here yet.
B. Mr. Hoardman stated that had made apnlication for EiUD bonus money for scquisition of
sub-ctqndard unite £or development for low mort�age Cr snb-financial mort�age rate
housing for locr and naierate incou�e Large fa�iliea. I�t this time we ha�•e made a list
of tentative uniis that could be &cquired, Ide are not looking at condominums, but
actual acquisition of the properties with negotiatians going on presenisly. It looks
like we would bc eligible for $32�000 1'or acquisitian.
C. There are tGO LAWCOPd pr.ojects which thep have su�mitted to Metro Council City Planning
Agency. They ranked n�o. 3 on construction oP a r.ature center buildin� at Nosth Park
for V250�000, �180,000 state and federal �onies, and �'�63,00o iocai monies. We rz^ked
No. 5 with the acquisition oP the Sears property and are 3n the negotiating proceas
at this point in time, with IIob Shore.
D. Mr. Peterson suggested that they consfder cancelling the December 20 meeting of the
Plannin� Conmission.
Mr. Hoardman was nat sure as�ything had been scheduled.
MO?'SON by ?�°s. Peterson� seconded by Ns. Oquist to cancel the Piecember 20� i978 meet3ng
of the Planning Co�ission.
UPOA1 A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTi:uG A:E, C_HAIRMAN F�IZRIS DECZ.ARED TIi� M4TI0"; CARRIE�
UNANIb;OtTSLX.
NOTZON by Ns. Langenfeld, secor.ded by Mr. Peterson to adjourn the December 6, 1978
u�eeting of the P�anning Ccmmission.
tiPON A VOICE V03'E' ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIiiMAN HARRIS DECLF,RED THE PdEETTNG ADJOURI�D AT
10:10 P.h:.
Respectfully Submitted:
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Kathy Shelton, Recoe:din� Secretary
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PU6LIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
PLANNING COMMISSION
Notice is hereby given that there wi11 be a Public Hearing of the Planning
Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue
Northeast on Wednesday, January 10, 197II in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M.
for the purpose of:
,
Consideration of a Proposed Pre1iminary Plat, P.S. �78-07,
Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 5, and a Townhouse Development
T- #78-01, Fountain'�Oaks, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corpora-
tion, being a replat of Outlot H, Innsbruck North; except that
part aiready platted as Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 4, and
parts of Innsbruck North Townhouse Second and Third Additions,
generally located North of I.694, betiween Meister Road and
the Carporate Limits of the City of Fridley.
Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity at the
ahove stated time and place.
RICHARD H. HARRIS
CHAIRMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
Publish: December 27, 1978
January 3, 1979
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NUMRER '{J � �.�i
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APPLICMIT'S SIGNATURii Darrel A. Earr Developmettt Corp.
Address 7286 N. 72nd Lane, Brooklyn Park, Minn. 55428
Telephone Number Sb0-8110
PRQPERI'1' Ot4NGR�S SIGNATURE Darrel A. Farr Development Corp
Address 72g6 N. 72nd Iane, Brooklyn Park, Minn. 55428
Telephone Number_ _560-8110
Street Location of Property Meister Road
Legal Description of Property Outlot H Innsbruck Nort
TYPE OF REQUEST . �
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Rezoning
Special Use Permit '
� Approval of Premin-
inary � Final Plat
Streets or Alley
Vacations .
Other
o-�'
Fee �/0 Receipt No. �,D
Present Zoning Classification R-3 Existing Use of Property Undeveloped
Acreage of Property 10.1 Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed Condominium -
}las the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on the sub}ect site or part of it? yes no.
What was requested and when? See development agreement between Citv of Fridlev
and Darrel A. Farr Development Corp. .
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (3S0 feet fox rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation
given why this is not the case, (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
property o�vners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, shoiving the ,
fQllo�aing: 1. ,Iorth Direction. 2. Location of propdsed stsucture on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of zdjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet).
The undersigne� hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this
application are true and correct.
DATG /,2f �Y� 7 � SIG ATURE � - =-n �.� �-- =J �� _
—� !�` (hPPLTCAN'!') Darrel A. Farr, Presiderlt
Date Filecl ' Date of fiearing
Planning Commission Approved City Councii Approved
(dates) Denied (dates) Deniec!
Planning Commission 12j12/7B ,(informal)
City Council
MAILING LIST
SAV �78-05, Viking Engineering & Development Inc.
7740 Beech Street
Viking Engineering & Development Company
c/o Earl Johnson
7740 Beech Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Edgar W, Houser
Nouser Corporation
55 77th Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Denise L. Smith
7786 Beech Street N.E.
frldley, Mn 55432
P & K Properties
7760 Beech Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Arnold Peterson
2211 Fillmore Street N.E.
Warren Johnson
Northern States Power Company
4501 68th Avenue North
Brooklyn Center, MN 55429
�n���'�ie���rPS�nM�r���erelephone Co.
6540 Shingle Creek Parkway
Minneapolis, M� 55430
General Television
Lee Steckman
350 63rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
William R. Schram
Real Estate Section
Minnegasco
733 Marquette Avenue
Minneapolis, Mn 55402
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CITY OP PRIDLL•Y MINN�SOTA
`� PL/tNj� ING AND ZONING FORM
NUM6ER �" �%�–Ui�/,
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APPLICMIT'S SIGNATURE_///��/�� �N�7�.��d. �.L
Address %%7U ,aFEG/i �j/, /il� �.
Telephone Numbex '�l`^' %�–Z �%OD
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PROPERTY OWN�R'S SIGNATURE ��L �t�
Address % % �i� �j �t�I�� $% � /✓ � ,
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TYPG OP RGQUBST
Rexoning
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Special Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
inary f� Final Plat
_�C Streets or Alley
Vacations
Telephone Number S]����Ob Other
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Street Location of Pro ert %��%0 � Fee�Receipt No. Q d
p y a���� �f, w� .
Legal Description of Property �OT (o
Present Zoning Classification
Acreage of Froperty
Existing IIse of Property%U1jl�5T/i/i�C /� SE
Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed E/�/�GD,S� ?� ,�7C� Tjiyr /S
--�N � UTi L � TLl �F�s�v�, E-n�r5 ,
Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit o the subj',ect site ox art of it?_�yes no.
What was .requested and when? �/,��jE ffj�y�//F'n �R �FA.� tiia.r�l 9iA�i1�.���
It-L
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and o�eners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation
gzven why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the
follox�ing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings [within 300 feet).
19ie undersigned hereby declares that a the facts and representations stated in this
application are true and correct. ��
DATE l� � C� SIGNATUR
(APP L ICAN'T)
Date Filed Date of Nearing
Planning Commission Approved
(dates) Denicd
City Council Approved
(dates) Denied
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Mailing List,- Page 2 ' D
Mr. & Mrs. John Steimle
5464 Meister Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Matthew J. Elgroth
1564 West Bavarian Court N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
William L. Breve
1582 West Savarian Court N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Donald W. Emerson
1584 West Bavarian Court N.E.
and
Margaret Suzanne Wright
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Albert Fried
1541 South Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Lee Boss
1548 South Bavarian Pass N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
City of New Brighton
803 5th Avenue N.W.
New Brighton, Mn 55114
MAILING LIST
P.S. �7H-07 Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 5
T. #7$-01 Fountain Oaks
Darrel A. Farr Oevelopment Corporation
7286 North 72nd Lane
Brooklyn Park, Mn 55428
John H. Mossler
5529 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Arthur Viken
5525 East Bavarian Pass
Fridtey, Mn 55432
Allan Baumgartener
5527 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Shirley A. Dickey
5531 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Ullom
5521 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Edward Englund
5517 East Ba4arian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Gary W, Odegaard
5519 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Linda J. Barry
5523 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
?oive Avikainen
5512 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Westlund
5516 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Donald �, Hojicek
5514 East Bavarian Pass
Fridley, Mn 55432
Planning Commission 12/27/78
City Council
Mr� & Mrs, Ran�1d �dtman
5522 East Bavari,an P��,�
Prid1ey, Mn 55432
Joanne A. Cliristi'anson
5526 East BdYdt'ian Pas�,
Frt�djey, Mn 55432
Ro6ert 3, Qo11e� Jr,
5524 East 6.avarran Pas�
Fridl�y, Mn 55432
Mr, & NJrs. 3ames Stry�io
552Q East BdvdPl.an P��,g
Frla1ey, Mn 55432
Mr, & Mrs. Stepfien Tollison
5528 Meister Road N.E,
F1'ldley, Mn 55432
Mr, & Mrs. W����iam Shat�
5534 Melster Road N,�.
fridley, Mn 55432.
Alice Shaughnessey
553Q Mei;ster Road N,E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
9usan P. Sisson
5526 Mejster Road N,e;
FY'ldley, Mn 55432
M1-. & Mrs. Donald Olmstedd
5522 Meister Road N,E_,
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs, Harry Zook
5518 Meister Road N.E.
Fp7d1ey�Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs, Kent Koch
5514 Meister Road N.E,
Fridlev, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs, Stanley Stegemeyer
5510 Meistep Road N,E,
Frtdley, Mn5 5432
Mr. & Mrs, Francis Williams
54II2 Meister Road N,E,
Fridley, Mn 55432
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December 12, 1478
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
There will be an informal hearin9 before the Planning Corrnnission
on Wednesday, January 10, 1479 on a request for a VACATION, SAV #78-05,
by Viking Engineering & Development Company of 7740 Beech Street N.E.
who wish to enclose a loading dock.
When Gumwood Street was vacated in 1973, the Gity retained a drainage
and utility easement over the entire 50 feet. With this request, we would
like to vacate the utility and drainage easement on tfiis 50 feet except
that part that is actually needed by the utility companies.
The utility companies are in the process of determining jusi where they
need to retain utility easements, and they wiil allow Viking Engineering
to encroach on these easements with certain agreements.
As this request could affect all property along vacated Gumwood Street,
we are including a map of the area with this notice.
If you have an opinion on this request and are unable to attend the.
meeting, please sent a letter to the attention of the Planning Commisssion,
6431 University Avenue N.E., Fridley, MN 55432.
RICHARD HARRIS
CHAIRMAN
PLANNING COMMISSION
ATTACH:
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6540 Shinnle Creek Parkway
!•tinneapolis, �iinnesota 55430
December 1, 1?7t3
Vikin:7 Lnginecrino !;o!�pany
7740';eech Stre�tVtlortheast
Fridley, Flinnesota 5543?.
Attention: D1r. PauT Masica
pear t•4r. '9asica:
Th�s is to inform yota that the t!orthivestern Rell Teleohone Company
e�oes occupy the utility easement in that l�ortion of vacatAc( Gur�-
�eood Street at the rear of your bu91c',in�.
Tt appears that your loading �ock on the rear of your buitdinq at
the aheve address i5 presentTy over the top of our cable servinn
your buildinc and others ta the nerth of yoti. In the Qven± troub7e
should ar9se in the portion of cable under the loadin� dock, vou
would be oblirated to ahsorb any repair or replacement costs should
they becone necessary.
Based on the a6ove,�Ne are nnt opposed to your enclosinq your load-
ing dock as planned.
cc: Mr. Clyde Moravetz
Engineering �ept
City of Fridley
6A31 University Av !dE
Fridley, Mn 55h32
Sincerely,
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Engineering Manager
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N O R T H E R N S T A T E S P O W E R C O M P A N Y
. 4601 60TH AVENUE NOR7H
BROOKLVN CENTER. MINNESOTA 88428
December 1, 1478
Mr Darrel Clark
Community Devefopment Administrator
City of Fridley
6431 University Ave. N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
Dear Mr Clark
Please be advised fihat Northem States Power Company has no objection
to Viking Engineering and Deve{opment Inc, at 7740 Beech $treet N.E.,
constrvcting a shed over their loading dock that wi{I encroach on our
utility easement, providing the structure does not exceed 14 feet in
height from grade. Also that the existing electric service entrance to
their building be relocated as per Larry Benson's discussion with Earl Johnson
of Viking Engineering.
Sincerely
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Warren R. Johnson
$taff Assistant
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OF FRIDLEY
350- 63rd Avenue N. E.
�r�dley, M�nnesota 55432 (612) 571-6100
November 15, 1978
Mr, Jerry Boardman
City Planner
Fridley City Na21
b431 University Ava. N.E.
Fridley� Clinnesota 55432
Dear �1r, Boardman�
General Television, Inc. has no objection tu the construction
of a covered loading dock across the utility easement o� ths
property line directly behind Viking Engineering locatad at
7740 0eech Street� Fridley� Minnesota.
5incerely�
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Lee 5teckman
Chief Technician
LSt pa
ecs Viking Engineering
Attn: Paul Masica
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Minnesota Gas Company
733 marquette avenue, minneapolis, minnesola 55402
November 21, 1978
Mr, Paul Masica
Viking Engineering F� Development, Inc.
7740 Beech SYreet NE
Fridley, MN 55432
Dear Mr. Masica:
The Minnesota Gas Company has no facilities within the easterly 25 feet
of that part of Gumaood Street yacated lying westerly of and adjacent
to Lots 6 and 7 Block 1 Onaway Addition,
t4e, therefore, have no objection to any construction within that part
of said vacated Gumwood Street as described herein,
Sincerely, .�
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William R. Schram
Real Estate Section
WRS:nke
cc: City of Fridley
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT:
OTHE$S PRESENT:
CALL TO ORDER:
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION
MEETING
NOVEMBER 21, 1978
James Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre,
Marvin Hora
Connie Metcalf (at Air Pollution meeting in Comm. Rm. I)
Ray Leek, Planning Aide
A1 Perez, New Brighton Euvironmental Couunission
Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:4Q p.m.
Mr. Lanoen£eld we7.comed Mr. N.ora and introduced 'nim to the Coacnission
members.
APPFOVAL OF OCTOSE}i 1?, 1978, EI3VIBONNC3?t2AL QUALITY COT!hII3SIDN MI�ViTTES:
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded Uy Bruce Peterson, to approve the
October 17, Z978, Environmental Quality Conmiission minutes.
Ms. Sporre made the following changes to the minutes:
Page 3, paragraph 3: 4th line--"Ed Hammel" should be changed to
"Jeff Hammel, Noise Abatement"; 7th line--"of" should be changed
to "to". �
Page 4, paragrapli 3
to "Nov. 19, 1977";
"foota e".
3rd line--"Jan. 19, 1977" should be changed
Sth line--"acreage" should be changed to
Page 5, 6th paragraph: 3rd line--"was" should be changed to
"not to exceed".
Page 7, Sth paragragh, last sentence should be changed to zead:
She would be willinQ to snend manv hours refininQ an ordinance
be enforced
Ms. Sporre referred to two motians at the October meeEing in which the
Conm�ission had received letters into the record. She would like it to
become Cocmnission policy that whenever the Commission received letters
or reports into the record that those Letters and reports be duplicated
and attached to Che minutes. She recommended that Ms. Jan Schauls'
ENVZRONMENTAI. QUALITY COiR�IISSZON MEETING, NOVEMBER 22, 1978 - PAGE 2
two letters received into the record at the October meeting be duplicated
and attached to the November minutes, and that this become a policy of
the Comnission. The Lommission members concurred.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, IANGENFELD, PETERSON, SPORRE VOTING AYE, HORA ABSTAINING,
CHAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS
AMENDED CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
APPROVAT, OF AGENDA:
The following items were added to the agenda under "Other Business":
A. Purchase of Tape Recorder for use by Commission
B. Motorized Recreational Vehicle Use in Citq
C. Lease Agreemettt with Non-Profit Organization called SORT
MOTION by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, to approve the
agenda as amended. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson
Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimousiy.
I. CONTINUEU: MtDOT PLAN:
A. Anoka Countv Airport
1. Council's Position
Mr. Peterson stated he was very disappointed in the meeting with
MnDOT, MAC (Metrepolitan Airports Commission), :Ietropolitan
Council, and the Fridley City Council regarding the Anoka County
Airport. He felt the issue was skirted and no real answers were
given. When asked questions on specific Chings, the people from
AfAC did not get to the point on anything. MAC kept saying that
this was just a study to draw up a master plan for the airport;
that federal funds had been sought to study and plan to draw
up the master airport plan.
Mr. Perez stated that the problem with a master plan was that it
did not assess the impacts, if any. The Metropolitan Development
Guide said that Anoka County would become an inte m�ediate airport
and the master plan stated the individual projects that must take
place to get the Anoka County Airport from a minor airport to
an intermediate airport. There was no assessment of what happened
when these things were done. That followed the master plan.
After the master plan, we would not know whether what they were
proposing would have any negative impact. He stated it was very
misleading at the City Council meeting the evening before as people
thought that the master plan would deal in the decision of whether
the Anoka County Airport would become intermediate when, in fact,
tt did not. He stated that decision had already been made.
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BN{7IRONMENTAL QUALITY CONIIKLSSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 21 1978 - PAGE 3
Mt. Perez stated that thanks to some of the people in this
(part of the metro) area, there were some statements in the
back of the Metropolitan Development Guide that s8id there was
the possibility of Anoka County reverting back to its present
atatus. He stated it would be nice if the Environmental Quality
Coamiission would request MAC and Metropolitan Council to retain
[he minor airport sCatus prior to the approval of the master plan.
Ms. Sporre read from the December 22, 1977, reporC of the
Metropolitan Aviation Chapter of the Metropolitan Development
Guide, page 60-A, 2-B:
"Evaluate the classification of Anoka County Airport as
intermediate airport upon completion of the master p1an.
Consider changiAg the classification to a minor airport
if environmental impacts are excessive as determined by
state and federal regulations."
Ms. Sporre stated it would be useful if the Commission contacted
Metropolitan Council and MAC and asked them if this, in fact,
meant that the determination could include a minor airporC status
prior to the adoption and approval of the master p1an.
Ms. Sporre stated tl�at one big probTea they were facing in
evaluating the airport was the se;mented ayproach to the status
change, i.e., foot by foot, runway by r.unway, rather than the
total effect.
MOTION BY LEE ANN SPORRE, SECONDED BY BRUCE PETL�RSON, THAT TI',E
k�f17
AIRPORT FRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE MASTEt� PLAid FOR ANOKA COI7NTY
Mr. Langenfeld asked what the City Council's position was on the
airport expansion?
Ms. Sporre sl-ated that reference was made to North Park by the
Metropolitan Council representative, Marsha Bennett, and the
words she used were: "There are political realities that have
to be recognized." Because of Metropolitan Council's decision-
making role in funding local projects and concerns, local govern-
ment was placed under extreme pressure to adhere to the goals of
Metropolitan Council. Ms. Sporre felt the reference Ms, Bennett
made was totally unrelated to the airport issue.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSZON MEETING NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 4
Ms. Sporre stated that the Coaunission was probably aware that
Fxidley had an application in Metropolitan Council for funding
for the nature center and it would require a Metropolitan
Council decision in December on that issue. She felt City
Council was put under extreme pressure because of the role
of Metropolitan Council and she felt it was unfair to discuss '
anything other than the issue of the airport at the airport
meeting. She stated that the City Council did not expand on
their decision regarding the airport. The City Council had
been requested by this Commission to direct the city attorney
to take legal means appropriate to prevent any status change
of the airport in keeping wiYh neighboring communities' positions,
but no action had been taken by the City Council.
Ms. Sporre asked Mr. A1 Perez to outline for the Co�ission sauie
of the issues the New Brighton Environmental Commission was
facing.
Mr. Perez stated that there were other transportation issues
that were affecting New Brighton as well as Fridley. He
reco�ended that the New Brighton Environmental Commission
minutes go to the Fridley Environmental Ouality Commission Chair-
person so that Fridley would know what issues New Brighton was
getting into.
Mr, Perez stated that New Brighton had just adopted an ordinance
at the Iast City Council meeting to train their police
. to enforce recreational vehicle laws. He stated
that Fridley might be having the same problem. Their suggestion
was that the New Brighton Police Department work with the
Fridley Police Department in this matter. Fridtey had a motor-
cycle that was bought a couple of years ago to enforce this kind
of thing. It would be crazy for both New Brighton and Fridley
to have a motorcycle when enforcemerit was on a sporadic basis.
Mr. Perez stated that another set of issues were the dropping of
I-335 from the Transportation Plan and the Northtown Corridor
which was intended to compensate for it. It was interesting that it
increased�travel in and through our co�unities when traffic
could better be handled in the southern part of the city. He was
sure Fridley did not participate in this decision nor did
New Brighton. Because they did not receive the opportunity to
participate, they now had to accept a report that dealt with
the replacing of I-335 with replacement projects that would
help Minneapolis, but would not help problems in 694 and would
put pressures on the Northtown freeway. New Brighton had
considered suing Metropolitan Council and putting an injunction
on those replacement projects because the processes had not been
followed properly.
.J
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 5
Mr. Langenfeld stated he was in agreement with Mr. Perez to
have the two cammissions in coalition in regard to items of
mutual concern.
MOTION BY LEE ANN SPORRE, SECONDED BY BRUCE PETERSON, 1'fIAT
Ms. Sporre suggested they include an arrangement for adhoc joint
committees to be formed on mutual environmental issues to resolve
or work out any problems.
Mr. Langenfeld agreed that was a good idea. He extended an
invitation to Mr. Perez for the New Brighton Environmental
Commission to attend Fridley`s Environmental Quality Commission's
meetings.
Mr. Perez stated that the New Brighton Environmental Commission
net the second Thursday of esch month at 7:30 o.m. in the
New Brighton City Ea11 City Ccuacil Cna.-nbers. The chairperson
was Mr. Jerry Bensing. Ae stated the Naw Brightcn Environmentai
Commission had nine members and were overloa3ed with nine u�embers.
iie ielt sympathy for the Fridley Enviromnental Cccunission wit:� only
five members and the work they caere facing. He stated *_he Public
Works Director was their staff representative.. They did not tiave
a Secretary. They had a City Council representative at each
meeting so they always got a City Council update.
MOTION B°_ LEE ANN SPORRE, SECOiVDED BY BRUCE PETERSON, THAT THR
CHAIRYERSON OF THB ENVIRONMENTAL QUP.LITY COTPffSSION COMMIINICATE
TO THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE RTEW BRIGHTON ENVIRONMENTAL COhfhIISSION
THE WILLINGNESS TC WORK WITH THEM ON ISSIIES OF MORE LOCAL SIGNI-
FICAI�CE TO THIS AREA. UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIR-
PERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE MOTION CAR.YIED UNAIQIMOUSlY.
Ms. Sporre stated that she and Mr. Peres had discussed the
possibility of protecting the north area in regard to the decision
of the airport acceptance and the need this issue exposed in terms
of a public policy or permit process that could be under the
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA) which would address
the overall effects of the decision like the one outlined for
the Anoka County Airport in the Metropolitan Development Guide.
She wondered it the Coimnission caould be interested in the MPCA
developing a policy and a permit process for that type of expan-
sion addressing issues of noise and air quality.
EN{IIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSICt� MEETING, NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 6
Mr. Perez stated he was also a member of the MPCA and was now
speaking as a member of the MPCA. He stated that what the MPCA
was contemplating was having permit regulations for airports.
What happened was that the focus had been so much on a major
airport that a lot of little things escaped public notice. He
stated that the little airports had been stagnant for many years.
In 1976 the Noise Development Fund had now made available money
for noise abatement projects and the availability of that money
made 3t possible for small airporCs to consider expanding again.
As they saw proposals for the airports to grow, they saw the
importance for some sort of permit requirements so inconsequential
changes went through, i.e., lighting, control towers, staff.
Inconsequential things could mean a change in the airport's func-
tional classification. Ae wondered if the Co�ission would like
to participate with tte MPCA in developing a permit for airports.
Mr. Perez stated that from the state's view, the reason for the
existence of Metropolitan Council was because local governments
had difficulty making comprehensive zoning decisions. Because
of that, there was a need for an "awau" group that could.make tough
decisions. On the matter of the Air.port Land Usage Plan, it was
their opinion that MetropoLitan Council was not playing its role
and was not taking a tough attitude of good land use. He did
not think the Metropolitan Council's decisions were any different
from what the locals would have done. In fact, it was more
difficult, beca+�se of the pelitical preesure in be±r.g appointed,
rather than elected,tu make those decisions. TheState• was not
seeing the good zoning land use ar.d the comprehensive planning
that was supposed to take place.
Mr. Langenfeld thanked Mr. Perez for coming to the meeting.
Ms. Sporre stated the '�taking issue" was very significan� in terms
of airport planning. As the capability of enjoying the physical
use of the land was reduced to adjacent homeowners, they could
through reverse condemnation, ask that the land be taken from
them through the courts and that MAC compensate for the property.
But, the effect of the taking as brought into the settlement,
and the fact that the land had been reduced in value and the home
was no longet a very valuable home but a lower priced home,
what the airport had already taken was not brought into consider-
tion. This was reflected in the evaluation used by FHA, HUD, and
federal agencies.
Ms. Sporre referred to the Work Scope of the Anoka County Master
Plan, which was going for vote at Metropolitan Council on
November 30 and had been approved by a Subco�ittee on Trans-
portation. She stated that an interesting point about the Work
Scope that should go into the record and that had bothered her
very much was the fact that they intended to use money to identify
those interested in the opposition and "to counsel them". They
were going to have an approach that included identifying individuals
ENVIRONMCPITAL QUALITY COA'AIISSION MEETING, NOVEMB�R 21 1978 - PAGE 7
and groups, Leadership profiles, group profiles, and concerns.
The Work Scope said that a Team Community Relations Specialist
would use counselingand interviewing methods in conducting meetings.
They were going to'�ounsel'; not inform. On page 3 of that report,
she was concerned about the fact that the Army/Air Natioraal Guard
military operations facility development plans were back in the
approach being used, because people were lead to believe it had
been defeated.
Ms. Spor.re stated a master plan'was not needed if they could
retain the minor airport classification. The master plan was
a step toward implementation. The Environmental Impact Statement
was hired by MAC as another step toward that implementaCion.
Ms. Sporre stated that the biggest problem she had with the Work
Scope was that the public was not going to be heard, but counseled.
She found the word extremely irritating. It was found on page 7
under "Determination of the Concerns of Leadership". The citizens
should not be counseled, but given a chance to be heard. She
suggested to Mr. Leek that if he intended to make any kind of
input at the public hearing that he react to that statement and
to the statement about the National Guard facility.
A°s. I,angenfeld asked �ow the meeting nad addresszd the ambiguous
manner in which the TfnDOT P1an referre3 to the quEStion oi the
airport?
Ns•. Sporre staCed'thaC the question was asked of Marsha Bennett.
Marsha Bennett made a statement thae there k=as a proposai in 1972
Co develop a new major airport in the metropolitan area, but
Chat recently in the review in 1976 when it was evaluated, that
plan was dropped and the decision was made to use the available
airports rather than a new �najor airport, The question was then
asked who was of the opinion to drop the major airport in favor
of two larger intermediate airport� with jet capabilities, and
Ms, Bennett did not have a name. Not only were no names given,
it was not even clearly stated whether it was a staff decision,
MAC, decision, or a Metropolitan Council decision.
Ms. Sporre stated that she and Ms. Seeger had attended the public
hearing on the MnDOT Plan on November 9, 1978, at the Hennepin
County Government Center. She submitted her report and Ms. Jan Seeger's
report for future use. She stated this information ought to
become part of the record.
ON NOVEMBER
S REPORTS ON 1'�lE MnDCT
THE
Y.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 8
Mr.Peterson asked what the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA)
position was on the Anoka County Airport expansion?
Ms. Sporre stated that the FAA had approved funding for a new
major airport in the metropolitan area, but the site selection
process had not been approved. This was the thing that MAC
had now that they did not have in the late 1960's;
approval on the funds, but the site of that facility was loose.
They were gofng through the backdoor in the site selection process.
Ms. Sporre stated that an important point that came out in the
meeting was that there was an agreement with M.4C and FAA not to
discriminate on tha landing. She stated she would support the
Commission participating with the MPCA and would be willing to
represent the Co�ission, if interested, in developing a permit
process�and regulations for airport expansions.
SEC
�
A PERitiIIT
Ms. Sporre stated that car.bon copiss o£ that letter should go to
the head oE Air i�ualicy, Mr. Ed Wiik, an3 to Mr. al Pe:ez, as aell
as the head o£ the MPCA, so that all were aware of the Commission's
request.
ALL V
Mr. Peterson stated that he did not think it was the Commission's
responsibility to get involved with the MPCA in developing this
policy; it would be better for Ms. Sporre to be involved on her own.
Ms. Sporre stated that the next meeting on the Work Scope was on
November 30, 1978, a public heaxing on December 4 at 10:00 a.m. in
the State Office Building when the Metropolitan Council/Metropolitan
Airports Commission.was presented to MnDOT, and final recommendations
on the MnDOT Plan trom the Hearings Examiner. (No date available at this t
BY BRUCE PETERSON, TO
THE MnDOT PLAN AT TItE NEXT MEETING.
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Mr. Peterson stated that he wondered what could be done in regard
to withdrawing the request for funding for the master plan.
SNVIRONMEATTAL QUALITY COI�AIISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 2l, 1978 - PAGE 9
THAT TfEE EO:tR;:•3'GNDGNQ
� TfLAT THE REOUEST FOR
YLAN FOR THE ANOKA COUNTY AI1tY0RT EXYANSION
ON : ' INCOMPATISILITY OP' THE PRESLNT F
SAFETY
C�IiI�?l
Mr. Langenfeld declared a ten-minute break at 4:37 p.m.
2. FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON PROPOSED CHANGES IN CHaPTER 205 ZONIIvG:
Mr. Leek stated that one of the questions raised by the Couimission last
month was in regard to "used car lots". Mr. Leek stated he had talked
to Mr. Boardman and that particular item should not have been deleted and
would be put back in the Zoning Code.
Mr. Leek stated ha was not able to come up with any firm answer with regard
to the fire hazard companies other than the fact that there was not an
ordinance that specifically dealt with fire hazards or fire hazard comnanies.
Those were all questions dealt k*ith by the fire inspector through the fire code.
Mr. Leek stated the;a had agreed there was a need for cross referencing
and a table af contents; however he c.'as not abie to have it put together
for the Commission meeting. It woulu be done for Planning Co�ission
revi c�a .
Mr. Leek stated that in response t� Ms. &porre`s question of there not
being an ordinance that told the developer how to protect the amenities
of the land, at this point, it was staff's opinion that the ordinance was
not the vehicle by which they could do that.
Ms. Sporre asked i£ there was anything in the Zoning Code that would
prevent the fil2ing in of marshes, the draining of water resources adjacent
to rivers, etc.?
Mr. Leek stated that Ms. Sporre was specifically reFerring to weClands
and the Zoning Code did not specifically address the wetlands and what
could and could not be done with them.
Ms. Sporre stated that since she had been on this Commission, she had
said that the present 2oning did not reflect the sensitivity to Che
inherent characteristics of khe site and that there needed to be a viethod
of follo�oing the dictate of the land, It was in the Coa�ission's goals
and objectives, but was not reflected in the revised Chapter 205. The
Conanission had recommended to City Council ehat overlay districts be used
in protecting the natural resources. The Zoniag Code did not Yeflect the
recommendations proposed by ttie Co�ission, and she caondered caho had
proposed these present changes.
ENVIRONMENTAL Q UALITY COt�4f�SSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 10
Mr. Leek stated that the recommendation that overlay districts for pro-
tection of natural resources be developed was not one which had been
discarded: They were putting together the entire comprehensive develop-
ment package for Fridley and that consisted of not only policy plans, but
specific capital improvement program and attendant regulations accruing
from the policy plans. But, it was not something proposed for the Zoning
Code. The Zoning Code was of such a nature thaC it was not likely that
those specialized protection regulations would become part of the land use
classification per se. The changes were primari2y proposed because the
2oning Code was very much in need of some kind of update, particularly
where redundancies occurred in commercial zoning and industrial zoning.
Ms. Sporre stated that she thought some of the Commission's recommendations
had"included more than just water bodies; they had talked about unbuildable
slopes, high water tables, and vegetative characteristics that ought to
be accommodated in the Zoning Code. This zoning code was not the proposal
initiated by the Commission and she found things in the Zoning Code that
did not reflect the intention of the Commission. She recoumiended that
the "Proposed Changes in Chapter 205 2oning" be forwarded on without
reco�endation.
Ms, Sporre stated she wanted to see the natural resource ordinances the
Coamtission proposed brought into Iina caitti the present zonia� capability
and that during the process (which she fe:t should be oriority) they use
the Interim Development Control 9r�inance so tiiat the design of che
community xeflect the natural amenities of the area.
Ms. Sporre read the following goal which she felt was appLicable to
the 2oning Ordinance:
Goal �2. Promote e£forts that will prevent or eliminate damage to
the environment and biosphere and stimulate the health
and we2fare of man.
d. Promote high quality standards for the control of air,
water, noise and visual pollution, including necessary
protective measures.
e. Develop and implement land use standards which are
compatible with the inherent characteristics and
carrying capacities of the environment.
h. Ensure public access to recreational areas, with due
regard to carrying capacity and wise use of energy.
3. Foster innovative community design.
1. Minimize conflict of interest on the part of those
who make decisions about land resources.
m. Snsure more effective citizen participation through
such measures as adequate public notice and review.
ENVIRONPiEDPLAL QUALITY CO2�4ff SSION MLETING, NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 11
MOTION �Y LEE ANN SPORRE SF.CONDED BY BRUCE P�TERSON TO RECOMMEND TO CITY
COUNCIL THAT THE USE OF NATURAL RESOURCES ORDINANCI:S PROPOSED BY THE
EPNIRONMENi'AL QUALITY COMMISSION AND THS IIQT�RIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL
CAPABILITY BE INCORPORATED IN THE DEVELOPt�NT OF THE CHANGES IN THE ZONIN�
CODE. UPON A VOICE VOTE. LANGENFELD, PETERSON, SPORRE, VO'PING AYE, HOR4.
Ms. Sporre asked that Mr. Langenfeld adhere to the Commission's recommendation
at the Planning Commission level.
THE
SECONDED B
INANCE_ IN
THE ZONIIQG CODE
AYE. CHAIRPERSON LAYv'GE23FELD DECLARED THE NGTION CARRIED
3. AIR POLLUTION:
and
Mr. Langenfeld stated that there was an Air Pollution meeting in
Community Room I that same evening sponscred by the League of Women uoters.
Ms.-Metcalf was representing the Conmission at that meeting.
AT TIiB nT�Xf' i1EF:1'I�G
�i}��i]�<N:�H 7�7
TO >".ECSIVE A REPGRT ERObi iLS. ':•:i:TCAI.F ON THE
ALL VC�TIiIG AXE, CFi.iIRPERSUId LAI3GEN'r'nLD DECLARED
4. CONTIN[TED: AIIIMAL ORDZNANCE:
Mr. Leek stated due to loss of manpower in the department, he had been
unable to come up with a model animal ordinance.
to con
at the next meetinQ. Upon a voice vote
ion c
5. OTHER BUSINESS;
A. Purchase of Tape Recorder for Commission Use:
Ms. Sporre stated there was a need for this Commission to hare a
tape recorder to be able to accurate2y record statements regarding
public policy such as was presented at the pubLic hearing the
previous evening on the Anoka County Airport. She could see the
need to record policy makers or government officfals on their
positions on certain issues.
•MOTION BY LHE AI1N SPORRE TO AUTHORI2E THE QRAIRPERSQN TO PiJRCHASE
A TAPE RECORDER THAT kTOULll HAVE THE CAPABILITY G1? BEING ABLE :0 .
RECORD LARGE MEETINGS.
MS. SPORRE WITHIIREW HER MOTI0:1.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 12
- THE HEARING WITH THE MINNESQTA ENERGY AGENCY FOR THE FIINDING
OF TNE ENERGY PHASE OF THE NATURE CENTER BUI7.DING.
- TFIE PARIGS AND OPEN SPACE COMNIISSION MEETING IN REGARD TO THE
NATURE CENTER AND THE ISLANDS OF PEACE. _
- TtiE JOINT MEETING LAST EVENING WITH MnDOT, METROPOLITAN COUNCIL,
AND MAC REGARDING THE ANOKA COUNTY AIRPORT EXPANSION.
UPON A
CHAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE
Mr. Leek stated he would check into the cost and interest by other
co�issions of a tape recorder.
B, Motorized Recreational Vehicle Use in the City:
Ms. Sporre stated that New Srighton was very active in this regard and
�as going to be ccmmunicating with Fridley on the use of locati.ons in
the north area for motorizel recreational vehicles. In the City Ceuncil
meeting minutes ot October 23, 1478, Mr. Qureshi ha3 c�r�ented on a
special committee to find areas for designztionof- recreational vehicles.
A motion was made to have Mr. Bob Barnette serve on this committee.
Nls. Sporre stated sha was very concerned aSout this and the tnings that
had been happening in the nature center �rom the motorized vehicZes.
She stated that some areas Mr. Perez had mentioned might be the airport
site or the'arsenal gravel pits. She thought the city should pursue
this with New Brighton. If they were going to be in the process of
designating areas, this Commission should be involved.
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USE
VOTING
MARVIN HORA. TO RECONII�tEND TO CITY
C. Lease Agreement on Non-Profit Organization called SORT:
Mr. Langenfeld stated that SORT (Save Our Reusable Txash) was a non-
profit organiza[ion which was the end result of the Commission's recycling
study. A one-year lease agreement was pzepared for this organization.
The organization would work with the city. The problem was that the
documenthad not been filed with the state for it to become that type
of non-profit organizati m.
ENVIRONMENPAL QUALITY COMMI5SION MEETING, NOVSMBER 21, 1978 - PAGE 13
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the location for the organizati m was the area
south ot 71st and west of the municipal garage yard. The city would
provide maintenance and necessary signing and any amendments to the
operating procedure would have to be approved by City Council. He stated
that Ms. Metcalf was still involved in it and additional information
could be obtained from her.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Marvin Hora, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the
November 21, 1978, Environmental Quality Commission meeting adjourned at
10:55 p.m.
Respectfully subm'tted,
. . � �
Ly e Saba
Recording Secretary
"DRAFT SUBJECT TO PINAL APPROVAL"
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION
MEETING
DSCSMBER 19, 1978
MEMBERS PRESENT: Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre, Connie Metcalf,
Marvin Hora
MEMI3ERS ABSENT: Jim Langenfeld
OTHERS PRESENT: Ray Leek, Planning Aide
CALL TO ORDER:
Vice-Chairperson Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m•
APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 21, 1978 ENVIRONMENLAL UALITY COMMISSION MCNUTES:
M4TION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Marvin Hora, to ayprove the
November 21, 197II, Environmental Quality Commission minutes.
Ms. Sporre made the following changes to the minutes:
Page 2, last paragraph, changed to read: "Mr. Ferez stated tliat
the problem with a master plan is that it does assess the impacts,
if any. The Metropolitan Development Guide said that Anoka County Airport
wculd become an intermediate aixport and the master.plan would
outline the individual projects that must take place to get the
Anoka County Airport from a minor airport to an intermediate —
airport. There will not be an assessment of what happens when
these things are done.* After Che masrer p1an, we would not know
whether what would be proposed would have any negative impact. He
stated it was very misleading at the CiCy Council meeting, the evening
before, as people were led to believe that the master plan would deal
in the decision of whether the Anoka County Airport would become
intermediate when, in fact, that decision had already been made on
December 22, 1977, by Metropolitan Airports Commission Development
Guide.°
Page 3, first paragraph, last sentence should be removed and
added to end of paragraph 4 to read: "Ms. Sporre stated it would
be useful if the Commission contacted Metropolitan Council and
Metropolitan Airports Commission and asked them if this, in fact, .
meant that the determination could include a minor airport status
prior to the adoption and approval of the master plan. Mr. Perez
stated il- caould be nice if tlie Environmental Quality Commission
would request MAC and Metropolitan Council to retain the minor
airport s[atus prior to the approval'of the master p1an."
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ENVIKONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION ME'L'TING DECEMIi�R 19, 1978 - PAGE 2
Page 4, paragraph 4, first sentence changed to read: "Mr. Perez
stated that New Brighton had just adopted an ordinance at the last
City Council meetiug to ban motorized recreational vehicles except
in designated areas by the city."
Page 6, first paragraph, fifth sentence: "Noise" should be deleted
and "Airport and Airways" inserted.
Page 6, first paragraph, sixth sentence: so inconsequential changes
went through, i.e., lighting, control towers, and staff" should be
deleted.
Page b, first paragraph, second sentence from bottom, should be
changed to read: "Seemingly, inconsequential things such as lighting,
control towers, and staff could mean a change in the airport's
functional classification."
Page 6, add following sentence as paragraph 9F2: "Mr. Langenfeld
asked what Mr. Perez thought of Metropolitan Council planning."
Page 6, paragraph 2, delete all but the following sentence:
!'Mr. Perez +aas of the opinion tfiat Metropolitan Ccuncil was not
playing its role and was r.ot ta'r.ir.g a taugh attitude on good land use."
I$s. Spoti'e sEated that becau,e cometirae� c':ere w�ra peaple �;flo cam2 to the
conunicsi,an �eetings who were in respcasibl.e posit:ions and to protect the
recerd. st�c reccmmended that the r".nviren�r�nTal Quali[y
Coimn:ssic;.i �:'inutea state clea:ly at Cl;.e '�op, "�reliminary �r Proposed
Minutes" rsiher than having che minutes printed without reilecting they
had not yet been approved. The minutes appeared to be approved without
anything identifying ehem as propose3 or preliminary.
Mr.,Hora suggested that the words, "Draft Subject to Final Approval"
be typed on the first page of the minutes.
Mr. Peterson stated he could see no problem in doing that.
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APPROVAL OF a�ENDA:
The £oliowing two items were added to the agenda under "Other Business":
A. Announcement of Opening of Collection Center
B. Springbrook Nature Center
ON by L.ee Ann Sporre seconded Uy Marvin Hora,
the aUove tcoo additions. Upon a voice vote, a
-Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carri
Ms. Metcalf indicated that on page 12, Item C, the last sentence should be
deleted: "The prnblem was that the document had not Ueen filed with the State
for it to becrnne tl�at type of non-profit orgunization."
ENVIRONMCCNi'AL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 19, 1978 - PAGE 3
1. CONTINUED: MnDOT PLAN:
Mr. Peterson stal-ed that Mr. Langenfeld had nol yet completed writing the
letters requested by motions at the November 21st meeting. A motion was
made on page 5 requesting that the Chairperson communicate with the
New Brighton EnvironmenCal Commission the willingness of. the Fridley
Environmental Quality Commission to work with New Brighton on issues of
more local significance to this area. A motion was made on page 8 that
the Chairperson communicate to the M.P.C.A. the desirability bf having
a permit process and regulations for airport expansions. Also, a motion
was made on page 9 to recommend to City Council that correspondence be
directed to the Governor's office that the request for funding of the
master plan for Anoka County Airport expansion be withdrawn.
Mr. Peterson asked if anyone had any further input regarding the MnDOT
Plan and/or the Anoka County Airport.
Mr. Leelc stated he had not yet received any information or a transcript
of the hearings from the Hearing Examiner's Office. At the same time, he
had not yet received a response from MnDOT to the concerns that were
raised officially on behalf of the Environmental Quality Coa�ission and
the CiEy Council. He would be conL-acting MnDOT the week of January 1st
if had not yeC heard from them.
Ids. Sporre stated she did find ou*_ one piece of informa.tion thaL she had
not yet had a chance to get documentation on, but ther.e crere some people
in the Moundsview League who went to the office of the MAC that there now
coas representation in the 7-county a-rea on the MAC. 7.t now appeared that
we here in Anoka County would be underwriting the financial success of any
new venture of MAC. Our local representation was Coryn Horbal.
Ms. Sporre stated that because of the decision for representation, the
mill levy had been distributed now to the seven-county area rather than
just Minneapolis and St. Paul, and since in Che past the MAC had used
the mill levy in Minneapolis and St. Paul, she thought it should be
brought to the attention of our area that this was a significant change
in the financial underwriting of any new project.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre seconded by Marvin Hora, to continue further
discussion on the MnDOT Plan until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote,
a11 voting aye Vice-Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried
unanimouslv.
2. AIR POLLUTION WORKSHOP REPORT--CONNIE METCAI,F;
Ms. Metcalf stated she had not yet written a report regarding this
workshop, but the main substance of the meeting was the idea fox a
program for maintenance and inspection of motor vehicles that would be
submitted to the Legislature in the coming session. Th3s would be a
ENVTRONML:NTAL QUALITY COMNIISSION MGETING DECEMBEft 19, 1978 - PAGR 4
program L-hroughout the state whereby moCOr vehicles would be inspected
periodically. The financing of this program was not clear to her but
she believed there would be some charge to the citizenry on it. She
di.d not know if it would be a required inspection or only when a vehicle
was found to be in possible violation of existing standards. She stated
hhe workshop was put on by rhe Metro Clean Air Committee. There seemed
to be a real possibility that many organizations were backing it, including
the Chamber of Conm�erce, and it sounded like the program had a good chance
of passing the Legislature and woul�i be an effort at the citizenry level
to purify the air.
Ms. Metcalf stated she would like this item put on the next meeting's
agenda so she could review her notes and give a report at the meeting.
Connie Metcalf, se
Metcalf's report on the Air Poilution Workshop at
ccatinue
the
on
3. ANiMAL ORDINANGE:
Mr. Leek stated that since Mr. Langenfeld was not present, it would be
b�-st to conti;.ue this icem uni:il tt:e .iex� m�e:ing.
MOTSON b� I:ee r1�n Spe�re, seconde3 by .�arvi.n Fr,t•a, tc� r.ecei_ve 4ttachmc:nts
3A and 3B reeardinz An::aat Prot-eci�on. Upore a voic�� ;:ote, a7.1 ���ti.ng_ aye,
rson Pete;acn d�c?•r.r,ed the mnCfon
MOTION bv Lee
seconded by Connie Metcalf �to
at the next meetinQ. �
Mr. Leek stated that t1Te reason Attachment 3B was included was because
of its reference to Section 346,21, Subdivisions 3,7, and 8, which he
thought was relative to the discussion Mr. Langenfeld initiated.
Attachment 3B was taken from the State Statute regarding cruelty to
animals and there was reference to it in the city's ordinance, specifically
Sectinn 302.22, Cruelty To Aaimals.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE VICE-CHAIRP�RSON PETERSON DECLARED THF.
MOTION CARRI�D UNANIMOUSLY'.
4. PURCHASE (JF TAPE RECORDER:
Mr.Leek stated he had not been able to do anything regarding this item
or check with other commissions to see if there was any interest from them.
Ms. Sporre suggested that this item be put on the other commissions' agendas
with a clip of the Environmental Quality Commission's discussion on
November 2�.
Mr. Leek stated he would put it on the commissions' January agendas.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEETINC DECEMBER 19, 197II - PAGE 5
e discus
this item at another me�tin . Upon a voice vote a
e-Chairperson Peterson declared tfie motion carried
5. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Announcement of Onening of Collection Center:
Ms. Metcalf stated the date of the opening of the collection center
for recyclables which had been initiated and organized by SORT (Save
Our Reusable Trash) was Feb. 3, 1979. The hours would be every
Saturday, 10 a.m.-2 p,m, unless the temperature was below 0°F. It
was to be manned by people from organizations in the city, and these
organizations were being asked to sign up for turns.
Ms. Sporre asked if it would be possible to request a sign on
University Avenue which pointed to the collection center.
Ms. Metcalf stated that SORT had requested a sign and had written a
letter to the Highway Department asking for the easement that was
required. They had been told that the Highway Department did not
usually honor these types of requests so they did not know if they
would get the easement.
Ms. Pietcalf: stated they had sub�itted information on the collection
center to the Parks & Recreation Departmentr so it would Ue in their
next report, and it would be in the next city newslette-r. She stated
thae any ideas the Commission had to get the wosd out would be welcome.
Mr. Peterson suggested that SORT might want to correspond with other
communities regarding the collection center so that these other
covmiunities could also get the word out to their citizens through
their city netosletters.
Ms. Metcalf stated thaC was a great idea and thanked Mr. Peterson.
B. �ringbrook Nature Center:
Ms. Sporre stated in the City Council meeting minutes of Nov. 6, 1975,
page 7, third paragraph, there was a statement that concerned her
very much. It was in regard to a discussion about the Springbrook
Nature Center gaining the capability of connecting water and sewer
with Coon Rapids,and an action was taken Chat she thought was a
breach of whaC the public had stated in the past about the coumiit-
ment we had in Fridley for a nature interpretive program to occur
at North Park Nature Center, which had been renamed Springbrook
Nature Center, In the City Council minutes, it had stated that
Councilman Barnette thought the Springbrook Nature Center should be
changed to North Park and Nature Interpretive Center should be
changed to "building", Mr. Barnette conCinued that discussion in
the next paragraph a1so.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MP;ETIhG, DEC�MB�R I9, 1978 - PAGE 6
Ms. Sporre stated it concerned her because the City Council had voted
this unanimously. She was very disappointed in the City Co�mcil
action to, at any instance, change t.he name of what had been decided
to be a nature center,aad the refereace. to Nature Interpretive Center
to her was something that was as sacre.d as the right to vote in
America. The people voted on the ballot that they favored the develop-
ment of North Yarlc as a nature center and entrusted the developmenh to
the Springbrook Nature Foundation, at which time the community,
through its City Council, voted to designate the name Springbrook
Nature Center. The local Fridley Jaycees, through a grant through
the State Jaycees, received Eunds and committed them to the sign that
stood at the park that said "Springbrook Nature Center". She thought
this City Council actioa was really a Ureach of the commitments that
the community, including the Jaycees, had made to that park. If
T.here ��as an opportunity to censure this action, she felt this
Commission should do so and reaffirm its commitment to thaY park as
a nature center and that building as a nature interpretive center.
She asked the Commission to concur with that.
Ms, Metcalf stated she would like to know what Mr. Barnette's ressocis
were for this change. There was no discussion in the City Counci7.
minutes that indicated his reasons. She stated she would like some
explanati.on f.ru� 11r. Aarnette as to ]ii.s reascns, and the Cos.mzssicn
r,hould 4si; for that e;:planscioa.
MS. SPOT'T2 stated.she was sure rhat the�Sp:in�;brook Natuze Pounci�ation
was eain� to be concerned a6o;;C this ki�d oi con�iFnique. Sne cauld not
epe3lc Loi r_he Sprin.gbrook Nature 7'cund.3tion; she could only speak for.
herself as a Commissioner here. T,`.e Enviro*iciental Quality Ccmmission
had a position supporting environmental education and the use of that
site as a nature center. The Commission must continue to reaffirm
that statement in light of Mr. Barnette's statement. . �
S EXCEYTION TO
ING THIi CHANGE OF
TO BUILDING AND
OF THE
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,ADJOiJRN1�NT :
THAT THE ENVIRON-
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MINUTES
fl PARP. AND
VOTE. ALL VOTING
MCTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Marvin Hora, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Vice-Chairperson Peterson declared the
Dece.uioer 19, 1978, L'nvironmental Quality Commission adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
RespectfulJ.y submitted,
J� r '�. ,_. �,
Lym SaUa, Recording SecreCary
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PARKS & RECREATION COMMIiSSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 27, 1978 - PAGE 9
Mr. Murphy stated that the Lione had picked Moore Lake for what they
hoped could become a long term project in the city. They had doaated the
flag pole and the fountain that had been in the lake. Re stated he was
aot at the meeting to ask that the name be changed because they would like
that, but because they had developed s�e long range goals and had plans,
and would like, in conjunction with the city, to fulfill those goals.
S�e of those goals were--
-Development of asphalt paths around the park
-Poseibility of putting in an irrigation system
-Shoreline improvement along the lake
-Purchase of new playground equipment
. -Purchase of new beach equipment
-Purchase new lifeguard boat and lifeguard equipment
-Bepair old waLk bridge and put up another new bridge
-Develop some conmmunity involvement in developing flower
garden in area near flag pole
-Would be willing to work on project in rejuvenating Moore Lake
Mr. Murphy stated they would like to do these things and would like a little
bit of recognition for some of the things they could do there. They would
like to be identified'in the coffiunity with one specific major project.
He stated they were asking that Moore Lake Park be renamed Moore Lake
Lions Park.
T4r. Boudreau stated he would concur that for the future of parks and
recreation development with the tightening of funds, etc., that Fridley
was not out of step or out of line wi.th what other communities were
doing in naming some of its park areas after big contributors, not only
money-wise, but with manpower, ideas, and thoughts. The city had already
set precedence for it with the Jaycee's hockey rink and the H.A.F. hockey
rink. He stated that, per Co�ission request, it was advertised in the
paper that this item would be on the Commission's agenda, and he had not
heard any objections.
MOTION by Robin Suhrbier, seconded by Leonard Moore, to Yecommend to
City Council that Moore Lake Park be renamed Moore Lake Lions Park.
IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the
motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Peterson thanked Mr. Murphy for coming to the meeting. He.stated
[hat Mr. Boudreau would notify Mr. Murphy when this item would be on
the City Council agenda.
D. Discussion of Facility Fee Schedule for 1979
Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission had been given s�e material on
what the City of Maplewood did as far as a fee schedule. He stated he
and Mr. Kirk had discussed this at length and would like the Coumiission's
guidance on what should they set a fee for if they were going to have
a fasility use feeY Should they break it down into city-sponsored
groups with no user's fee, non-sponsored groups with a fee, and non-
residents with a fee?
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PARKS & RECREATION COMMIISSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 27,_1978 - PAGE 10
Mr. Peteraon stated that it seemed to him that a football field, for
example, should not be used by outside groups at a loss to Fridley. He
was most disturbed at what had happened to the soccer field at Locke
Park this year. There was no consideration for the field, the city got
nothing out of it, and all that came out of the budget.
Mr. Boudreau atated that the City of Maplewood had its fee schedule
bzoken down into the following groups:
1. City-sponsored groups, local youth, athletic groups,
and local co�unity service organizations - no fee
2. Local private groups, teams or organizations -$10/field/day
3. Outside teams, groups, or organizations -$25/field/day
Ttte Coamdssion concurred to go with the three-level fee schedule as out-
lined by Mr. Boudreau above, Mr. Boudreau would insert the appropriate
feea, and bring back a fee schedule for Co�issfon review at the March
meeting.
Mr. Peterson asked where the city stood with H.A.F. regarding the user's
fee? This year'the H.A.F. had paid the user's fee.
Mr. Boudreau stated that Mr. Jack Hansen wanted to get together with the
Commission after the 1978-79 season with a recommendation for that fee
for the 1979�80 season.
Mr. Peterson stated that Mr. Jack Hansen of the H.A.F. should be put on
the May agenda.
ADJOiTRNMENT:
1�TION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, to adjourn the
meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared
the November 27, 1978, Parks & Recreation C�ission meeting adjourned at
9:35 p.m.
Hespectfully submi ted,
�
L Saba '
8ecording Secretary
PARKS & RECREATION COI�AnSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 27 1978 - PAGE 7
Mr. Boudreau atated the Department was tryiag its best to work up an on-
going program with the Univeraity so they could, more or less, depend on
having an iptem asaigned to them each quarCer. The University could not
promise this, though. He stated he had been pleased wi:th both Che intezns
the Department had had so far.
II. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Meeting Scheduled for Next Year
Mr. Peterson stated that he would like the Co�ission members to consider
going to.an every other moath meeting type of arrangement in 1979. Ae
was sure the same amount of work could be accomplished and, according to
its Charter, the Commission needed only to meet six tunes a year.
Ms'. Boudreau stated that many times, they had to scrape to get enough
together for the monthly agenda, The Co�ission had the capabilitp of
calling a special meeting whenever it was necessary. He felt it Has a
good idea. It would help staff as they were thinking of starting some
aeighborhood meetings similar to what was done last year with park improve-
meats. That would require a lot of staff time and evenings.
MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Robin Suhrbier, that beginning in
January 1979, the Co�ission follow a six meetings a year type of
schedule as follows:
Jan. 15 1979
March
r�y
July
Sept.
Nov.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON PETERSON DEQ,ARED THE
HOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
YII, OLD BUSINESS:
A. F.Y.S.A. - Cancellation of Little League Lease
Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commission members had a copy of the formal
letter dated November 27, 1978, from Glenn Van Hulzen eo the City Council
terminating the Fridley Little League lease. In accordance with city
legal counsel,since there was no longer a Little League organization as
a aeparate entity, there was no longer a lease agreement and therefore
it,should be terminated. He stated that action was needed by the
Conmissioa to receive the letter and concur and send it on to City Council.
M(YfION by Robin Suhrbier, seconded by Leonard Moore, to receive the letter
dated November 27, 1978, from Glenn Van Aulzen to the City Council
requesting that the Fridley Little League's present lease agreement
between the City of Fridley and the Fridley Little League be terminated.
Upon a voice vote, all wting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the
motion carried unanimously.
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PARKS & RECREATION COPAffSSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 27, 1978 - PAGB S
B. F.Y.S.A. - Fee Proaosal for 1979 (Letter to Parks & Recreatioxt
Commission from Glenn Van Hulzen dated November 27, 1978)
Mr. Peterson stated that he had talked to Mr. Marvin Brunaell, City Clerk,
about the fee proposal and Mr. Brunsell had stated that if the Commission
adopted the proposal of charging a straight donation from the member
organlzation, such as H,A.F. and F.Y.S.A., the money could be accepted,
designated and earmarked, held in trust, the city would invest 3t for us
at interest, and we would receive that share of the intereat. The money
would not have to be spent every year.
Ms. Mech stated she was concemed whether the fee would always atay the
same or would it iacrease with the cost of livingY
Mr. Boudreau stated he had talked to Mr. Van Hulzen about this, and
Mr. Van Aulzea had said that right now they were looking at $500 over vhat
they gave the city last year (of course, s�e of that would be offset by
Little League participation), but at such a time as they fouad it to be
a disadvantage to their Association or the city found it to be a disadvantage,
he cwld see no reason why the two could not sit down and readjust the
amount.
Mr. Boudreau stated this was not a year-by-year agreement, but certainly
amendable at any poiat in time between the two.
Mr. Boudreau stated that one advantage was this would eliminate the stigma
of the "user's fee". Another advantage was that the money would go iato
a fund and would earn interest, the interest would accumulate, and would
allow the city to improve some of its facilities on a routine basis or a
Large facility. He could see no strong disadvantages.
MOTION by Betty Mech, seconded by Bobin Suhrbier, to accept with concurrence
the F.Y.S.A.'s reco�endation to abolish the present "user's fee" and go
with contributing an annual fee earmarked annually for improvement and/or
development of existing or new Fridley parks and recreation facilities.
IIpoa a voice vote, all votiag aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the
motion carried unanimously.
C. Lions Club Request - Renaming of Moore Lake
Mr. Boudreau stated that Mr. Mike Murphy of the Lions Club was present
to request that the Commission consider the renaming of Moore Lake.
He stated he would like to congratulate.the Lions Club for putting on a
dinner for both the Fridley Grace High School and the $ridley High Scbool
football teams that participated in the state.
Mr. Murphy stated that the Fridley Lions Club was a coumunity organization
and was concerned about what happened around Fridley. He presented
Mr. Boudreau with a check for $1,200 for insurance for the bus they had
helped obtain for the City of Fridley.
PARKS & RECREATION C�SSION
MEETING
NOVEI�ER 27, 1978
ML�ffiERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, 8ohia Suhrbier, Leonard Moore, Betty Mech
lIEMBERS ABSENT: Jan Seeger
OTf�RS PRESENT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation'Director
Jack Rirk, Program Director
Brad Horner, II. of M. Intern
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairperson Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 23, 1978, PARRS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Betty Mech, to approve the October 23,
1978, Parks & Recreation Commission minutes.as written. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared the motion carried unanimously.
AYYROVAL OF AGENDA:
The following item was added to the agenda under "New Business":
A. Meetings Scheduled for Next Year
HOTION by Leonard Moore, seconded by Betty Mech, to approve�the agenda as
amended. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Peterson declared
the motion carried unanimously.
I. DIRSCTOR'S REPORT:
A. H. B. Fuller Luncheon
Mr. Boudreau stated that as the Commission knew, H, B. Fuller Compaay had
aponsored a luncheon on November 25 for the City at George's 3n Fridley.
He was happy to report that nine c�panies were represented from the
Fridley area. From their estimation and viewpoint, the luncheon went
very well and they had the opportunity to exglain the city's programs and
hand out questionnaires. He stated one questionnaire had been returned
from Kurt Manufacturing Company. That c�pany had suggested that if the
City would send them a number of brochures, they would distribute the
brochures to each employee. Mr. Boudreau stated that because the city
did have the liberal work rule on most of its activities, many of those
people, even if they did not live in Fridley, might want to participate in
some of the activities.
YARKS & RECREATION COI44ISSION MEETING, NOVEFIDER 27, 1978 - PAGE 2
Mr. Soudreau stated that Mr. Kirk's idea was also well received and that
was that maybe someone:from the city could go out to the company when the
programs were new, explain the programs to the emptoyees during the lunch
hour, and have sign-up on the company grounds.
Mr. Soudreau stated that, in the long run, they might get some other off-
shoot benefits from the luncheon. H. B. Fuller had agafn expresaed they
vould like to doaatQ.up:td;$P,OOO.for the tree program. He stated it was
very nice of the H. B. Fuller Co. to think enough of the city to be
willing to underwrite a luncheon for as many as did come. It was a etart
and maybe the next year, there would be a bigger and better audience.
Oaaa had indicated they could not be at the luncheon, but the person in
charge of Cou�unity Affairs had requested that Mr. Boudreau and Mr. Kirk
came to see him and explain what had happened at the luncheon. He aad
Mr, Rirk planned to meet with Oaan's in the near future.
Hr. Peterson suggested that maybe for the next year, the city could aek
the Lions Club to sponsor the luncheon and have the city send out the
invitations to all the•companies in Fridley (the Chamber of Commerce had
a list of all the compani�s in Fridley). He was sure there were a lot of
companies that were not contacted. By having the city extend the invitation
and with the Lioas sponsoring it, there might be a lot more people involved.
Mr. Boudreau stated that was a super idea, H. B. Fuller might waat to co-
sponaor this luncheon:. Iie vould make a aote of Mr. Peterson's suggestion
for aext year. � - - •
B. Lease of Sears Property
}Ir. Boudreau stated that ia regard to a letter from the city to Sears agaia
requesting the leasing of the Seaxs pr4perty for a snowmobile area, the
city had now received an answer from Sears. The letter stated that they
apologized for not responding sooner, but were delayed until they had
resolved busiaess matters for the Fridley property. They were advising the
city that they were in the process of selling the property and said sale
ehould be consummated in the very near future. They were passing this
information on to the purchaser so the purchaser would be aware of the
city's request. At this time, they were aot able to diwlge the purchaser's
name, but were sure the city would be hearing from the purchaser soon:
Ptr. Boudreau stated that any lease the city might have for snowmohiling
for this year would probably have to come from the purchaser, and if the
sale fell through, maybe Sears would still lease it to them.,
PARKB &'RECREATION COt�AfISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 27 1978 - PAGE 3
C. Ruth CircLe Hockey Rink
Mr,:,Boudreau stated that, as requested by the residents, a hockey rink
with boards had now been placed at Ruth Circle and it was being flooded.
He stated that an agenda should have been sent to Mr. Nystrom, who had
requested to receive a copy of each month's ageada.
D. Flooding of Innsbruck Area/Farr Lake Access
Mr, Boudreau stated he had not yet heard from the Farr Lake people to see
if the city had access to the lake this year.
Mr. Boudreau stated he had followed up on t'he Co�issioa's request to get
a legal opinioa from Mr. Virgil Herrick regarding Che flooding of a skating
area behind the homes at North Innsbruck. Mr. Herrick had stated that
before the city could go in there, they would need a letter of authorization
fram the homeowners giving the city the authority Co cross the homeowners'
land and also holding the city harmless.
Ms. Suhrbier stated that a few residents had discussed this and they had
agreed that they would like the city attorney to write the letter so it
would be in the right legal Language, and then the residents would sign iC.
Mr. Yeterson stated tt�at Mr. Herrick could wxite up a lease for that area
with all the legal protection the city wanted, and then when the residents
signed it, the city would be protected.
Mr. Boudreau stated he still questioned the thought and the theory of
whether the city wanted to get into this type of operation. He was merely
asking the Commission to think about it before they committed the small
crew for ice maintenance to go in and flood areas in people's back yards.
He sympathized with this area, but there were other areas in the city that
could claim the same problem. What would happen if the city got 20 more
requests like this oneY They may not get another request, but if they did,
the Commission ought to be ready to face up to that requesC.
Mr. Peterson stated that Mr. Boudreau's point was valid. To protect them-
selves, if'they were going to use city equipment in getting involved in
putting a skating rink on private property, with the lease that propexty
really became city property during the skating season and they should
have a protective claase in the lease so the rink did not get restricted
in use. That was the city's protection for any other situation, too.
Someone else might want to have a rink put in their back yard, but might
nob want to do it when the point was brought out that the rink then became
city property and anyone could skate on it.
YARKS 6 RECREATZON CONAIISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 27 1978 - PAGE 4
Mr. Boudreau atated he would have Mr. Herrick write up the letter and
vould get it to Ms. Suhrbier.
He. Suhrbier asked if the aeighborhood could pay aad have the F3re Dept.
came out and flood the area, Other co�unities did that.
Mr. Boudreau stated that Ms. Suhrhier could investigate that possibility
vith Mr. Bob Aldrich of the Fire Dept.
E. Program Report
Mr. Kirk stated that the fall activities were now ending. He wanted to
bring up one activity that had mediocre success in the past but was really
euccessful this year (credit going to Mr. Brad Horner who coordinated it),
and that was the Turkey Shoot, Parents and children participated in
different events. There were approximately 65 teams and quite a number of
spectators. People were very happy with the family activities.
Mr. Kirk stated there had been quite a few questions fn the last year
regarding the programming at North Park School. He and Mr. Boudreau had
met with the Columbia Heights Recreation Department to find out what
Col�bia Heights was doing and to te11 them some of the plans Fridley had.
The decision was reached that Fridley would continue with the summer play-
ground program there as was doae in the past. In the fali, Columbia Aeights
had no activities scheduled and were not anticipating any, so Fridley would
offer after-school activities in the fall. In the winter and spring,
Columbia Heights had programs after school and would like to continue with
those programs. At that ti.me, if Fridley was going to offer anything,
they would check with Columbia Heights to make sure they were not offering
for the same age group. If there was another age group that Fridley could
service, Columbia HeiRhts was not opposed to that. Both were concerned ihat the
services were being offered,and it did not matter who was offering those
services.
Mr. Baudreau stated they had also told Columbia Heights Recreation Depart-
ment that any programs Fridley offered or any programs that Columbia Heights
offered at that locationwere not restr3cted to those students in that
school, but to any Columbia Height resident aad any Fridley resident with a
noa-resident fee waived. Coltmmbia Heights had agreed to that.
Mr. ILizk stated that when Columbia Heights offered programs in that area,
they would be sure that all the residents in the area were contacted aad
Fridley would do the same. .
Mr. Kirk stated that the seaior citizens had a new project calle d the
Congregate Dining project. It would be startiing on December 6th at Parkview
at 12:00 p.m., Mon.-Fri. It was a cooperative venture with the Parks &
&ecreation Department, Fridley Coom�unity Education, and the Salvation Axmy.
The only requirement for the senior citizens was that they make a reserva-
tion two working days in advance. There was no charge for the senior
citizens, but contributions were accepted. The charge was $1.65 for those
50 yrs, of age and younger, and they also must make reservations.
PARKS & RECREATION COPAffSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 27 1978 PAGE 5
Mr. Peterson stated that as a Planning Commission member, he had received
aa invitation to participate in the Congregate Dining program. He thought
that aince this Cou¢nission was involved, it would be nice for each of the
m�bers to receive this invitation. He asked Mr. Kirk to check into doing
Chat. He stated it would be nice if the members could go to Parkview for
a meal as they were a part of it and they could see what was going on.
Mr. Boudreau sCated they would check into that right away. He stated
that the Congregate Dining program was a great step forward for Fridley.
Mr. Rirk atated that Ms. Bergquist had been talking with the Coammnity
Education Department, and they were going to try to plaa a lot of senior
citizen activities araund the lunch time.
Mr. Kirk stated that one upcoming program was the "Visit with Santa"
co-sponsored with the Lions Club. It would be in the C�munity Room II
Dec. 16-Dec. 22. Along with that, they would again have the "Letter
$otline to Santa", Dec. 1i-15 and Dec. 18-22, 8:00-5:00 p.m.
Mr. Rirk stated they were goiag to have a winter playground program again
this year the week between Christmas and New Years for a couple of hours
each day with,outdoor games. It would be worked out so there would be
indoor facilities for warming up. They had approximately 30 children at
each location last year.
Mr. Kirk stated that winter sports would be starting in another week.
They were going to have couples' volleyball, men's volleyball, women's
volleyball, and basketball in both open and fun leagues. League play
would begin with a practice game the next week and something they were
going to institute this year was having a qualifying round which equalized
the competition for everyone. They would try to do this with all the
leagues.
Mr. Kirk stated that the brochure for the winter recreational program
for instructional activities and after-school activities would be mailed
out starting Jan. 8. Registration would begin on Jan. 15; programs would
begia on Jan. 29. The programs would run approximately 10-12 weeks.
Mr. Boudreau stated this was a change from last year. In the past, they
had'run a spring, fall, winter, and summer program. After much brain-
atorming and talking with participants, they came up with the following
schedule. Since the last of February and March were long and there were
not many activities, this year they were going to try combining and have
a late winter/spriag type of program, running it 2-4 weeks longer, than
what the winter program would have run, going into the middle of April.
That would give them the early spring sports such as golf, tennis, that
would end about the first of June. Then the summer program would begin
June 20. They were going to try this new schedule.this year and hoped it
vould be well accepted.
PARKS & RECREATION CONAtLSSION MEETING, NOVEMBER 27, 1978 - PAGE 6
Hr. Kirk stated that all the state-wide Pizza Huta were going to be having
a bake-off for their cooks at the Fridley Pizza Rut on Dec. 11. The
Fridley Piaza Hut was going to donate 38 pizzas to the Fridley Parks &
Recreation Department for a teen activity.
F. Intern Report - Brad Homer
Mr. Horner thanked the Commission for allowing him to speak. He stated
he wouid like to explain the role of the internship and the purpose behind
it, h3s expectatfona of it, hts expectations for the future, aad some of
LLa goals.
Mr. Horner stated that the University of Minnesota, in the Department of
Parks & Recreation and Leisure Service, had set down in its program to
have the students go through a 10-week internship as part of their college
education. This was a requirement and they could not graduate until they
had accomplished this task. It was a cooperative venture between the city
agencies and the U. of M. to allom a student to gain professional experience
in the field of recreation, in the area of administration, progra�ing,
public aftairs, public relations, personael, etc. It seemed to be a good
process, because the students were ahle to gain a lot of practical kaowledge
that they did not get in the classroom. He thought it was good experience
to go through, and he thought the U., of M. was doing a good job in providing
people going into recreation with a good educaCion,and the internship was
a big part of it.
Mr. Horner stated that what he had wanted to get out of his internship at
Fridley was practical and professional experience in the administrative
aspects of recreation. He had enjoyed his internship, he had learned a lot
ia the ten weeks, and for this he thanked the Department. Both Mr. Boudreau
aad Mr. Rirk had been very helpful in setting up an internship which
iavolved the areas he was interested in, One big area was progra�ing and
he had s�e experience in that in the "Run-for-Fun" and the "Turkey Shoot".
In his feelings toward recreation, he liked to see family participation,
and in today's world, he did not think there were many opportunities other
than leisure time in which to seek family participation.
Mr. Horner stated when he finished his internship, he would begin looking
for a job. He would be graduating December 11. He would start out at
the first level which was programming, gain more practical experience and
work up to maybe be a program supervisor, and some day he would like to
become a director.
Mr. Baudreau stated it was gratifying for himself to see Mr. Horner gn
through the internship and to see what type of program they had at the
University of Minnesota, because he was on the interview committeee that
interviewed Mr. Hozner when he was accepted at the University. Ae stated
Chat Mr. Homer had done an excellent job.
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CITY OF FRIALEY
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - DSCEMBER 12 1978
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairw�nan Schnabel called the December 12, 1978, Appeals Coumission meeting
to order at 7:35 p.m.
ROLL CALi:
Hembers PresentS Ms. Schnabel, Ms, Gabel, Mr. Pleml, Mr. Barna
Members Absent: Mr. Kemper
Others Present: Darrel C1ark, Coum�unity Development Administrator
Ralph M. Carpenter, 5490 Matterhorn Dr.
Joseph A. Laurent, 5460 Matterhorn Dr.
Dennis Schneider, Councilman
APPAOVE APPEALS COMPiISSION MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 14 1978:
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to approve the November 14, 1978,
Appeals Commission minutes.
Ms. Schnabel made the £ollowing corrections to the minutes:
Page 7, 4th paragraph from top of page: Delete "on Lots 1, 2, and 3
were moved over 10 feet" and insert "on Lot 5 was moved south 10 feet"
Page 7, Sth paragraph from top of page: Delete "from Mr. Traczik".
Page 13; Sth paragraph from bottom of page, last line: Delete the
number "4 feet" and insert "8 feet",
UPON A VOICE VOTS, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE
MLP�UTES APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
APPROVE SPECIAL MEETING APPEALS COTB�iISSION MINllTES OF NOVEMBER 28 1978:
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to approve the November 28, 1978,
Special Meeting pppeals Commission minutes.
Ms. �abel made the following correction to the minutes:
Page 4, 4th paragraph under 205.07, regarding the zoniag process.
Ms. Gabel stated she would like the fallowing sentence added:
"Ms. Gabel and Ms. Schnabel have consistent� voted against spot
rezoning at the PLannin� Commission."
APPEALS COMMTSSION MEETING DECEMBER 12 1978 - PAGE 2
Ms. Schnabel referred to the first page of the November 28, 1978, minutes
where the Commission had talked about a definition of "Family" and
"Occupancy Limit" and where she had stated she would check with Minneapolis
City Hall about their definition. She stated she had received a copy of
the Minneapolis ordinance and their definition of "Family" said that "a
family plus roomers $hall not exceed five persons". She sCated that in
terms of a family itself, they said nothing about n umbers if related by
blood marriage or adoption including faster children. She said she had
shown this definition of "Family" to Mr. Boardman, and he felt it was
written very well. Rather than read the whole ordinance, she stated she
would either pass it around later in the meeting or have copies made for
each of the Commission members.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CEUIRWOMAN SCIINABEL DECLARED THE MINUTES
APPROVED AS CORRECTED,
1.
205 OF THE FRIbLEY CITY CODE
GE SO LIVING AREA AT 5640
ED BECAUSE THE REOUIRED SIDE
TBACK OF 10 FEET ON THE LIVING AREA SID� OF A DWELLING WILL BE
TO 8,5 FEET, (Request by Joseph Laurent, 5460 Matterhorn Dr. N.E.,
, Minnesota 55432),
MOTION by Mr. Sarna, seconded by Mr. Pleml, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOT7NG AYE, CH.AIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HfiARING OPEN AT 7:47 P.M.
I¢r. Clark stated that if this variance request was granted, the rear part
of the garage would be converted into a living area and then the frnnt
part of the garage would be aaaea onto to make it large enough to hold
the family vehicles. So, it was a conversioR plus an addition. The garage
was quite a ways back from the front of the house. The garage of the house
to the south and neaxest this addition was adjacent to the common lot line
and was 10 feet to the lot line, so the distance between the garage and
the proposed living room of this home would be 18.feet which was in.exce.ss of
the ZS feeL- mentioned Yn the Zoning Code.
Ms. Schnabel read the Adm3nistrative Staff Report:
ADMINISTRA7IVE STAFF REPORT
5460 Matterhorn Drive N.E.
A. PUBl,IC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT: �"`
Section 205.053, (46} Two side yards are required with not less than
a 10 feet width adjoining living area.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to maintain a minimum of
20 feet between 7iving areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between
garages and living areas in adjacent structures to reduce exposure to
conflagration of fire. It is also to allow.for aesthetically pleasing
open areas around residential structures.
APPEALS C(J�PfISSIO_N MEETING, DECEhffiER 12 1978 PAGE 3
B. STATED HAROSHIP: -
We want the variance request agreed upon to first of all make it easier
for Mr. Laurent, who is physically disable� by this eliminating of a flight
of stairs; and also to expand our family living space.
C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW:
A letter from the most affected neighbor was submitted with the application.
The letter states that they have no objection to the petitioner's request.
It should also be noted that the nearest neighboring structure is an
attached garaye located 10 feet from the common property line. If the
Cor�nission votes to approve this request, the staff has no stipulation
that it would recanmend as part of the approval.
Mr. Laurent stated that at this time, he had no sketch of the proposed
changes, but his builder had a draft. The adjoining neighbor, Mr. and Mrs.
Benner, who had signed the o.k. to the request, had stated they did not
object as long as Mr. Laurent did not move the fYOnt part of Che garage
over to 5 feet of the property line. The only difference would be the
8.5 feet off the properYy line rather than the 10 feet. He stated his
builder had gotten the o.k. from Mr. and Mrs. Benner before they went
ahead with the plans. Mr. Laurent stated his house was a L-shaped split
entry and his garage was set back 16 feet from the front of his house.
What they were basically going to do was convert the existing garage to
a lfving space and put the new garage parallel with the front of the house.
Ms. Gabel asked if the roof would be made any higher.
Mr. Laurent stated it would not, it would be just a one-level family
room between the upper and lower levels, and would actually be lower
than the garage., Mr. Laurent stated they just wanted more room in their
house for their family.
MOTION by Mr. Pleml, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive a letter £rom
Mr. Clyde Benner giving 8pproval to Mr. Joseph Laureut's varianC'e��o make back part
of garage into living quarters. It was understood that Mr, Is2u raut's
garage was 1 ft. 6 in. too close to property.line; that was why variance
�as needed.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTYNG AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DEQ.ARED Tf�
M(1TION CARRIHD UNpP1IM0USLY.
Mr. Carpenter stated he was the neighbor on the north side adjoining
Mr. Laurent's property and was aot really affected by the request.
He stated he had no qualms with Mr. Laurent's reqaesE. He thought the
addition wwld be a help to the neighborhood and a help to the Laurent
family.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Ms. Gabel, [o close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DSCLARED THE
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:00 P.M.
APPEALS COi�ff5SI0N MEETING DECEMBER 12 '1978 - PAGE 4
Mr. P2em1 stated he had no objection to the request and would be in fayor
of it. They were really not moving.any building closer to the lot line;
and hecause of Mr. Laurent's disability, he could see the need for a family
ro� on the main floor.
Ms. Schnabel stated ahe thought a good deal af the fatent of the public
purpose of wanting to reduce the exposure for the conflagration of
fire was basically being met. The two areas would be almost 20 feet apart,
whether garage to garage,or garage to living area which was not in a direct
line across from it.
MOTION by Mr. Pleml, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to grant the petitioner's
request to grant the variance to reduce the side yard setback to 8.5 ft.
rather than the 10 feet as required on subject property.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTTNG AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCFINA$EL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNAI�IMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel in£ormed Mr. Lauxent that his request had been approved by
the Appeals Co�ission and he'was now Free to'apply for a building permit
and proceed with construction. Ms. Schnabel thanked him for coming.
2. TABLED: REQi7EST FOR VARIANCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 205 OF_THE
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774Q Beech•Street, Fridley, Minnesota 55432).
This item wi21 have to remain tabled although petitioner has applied
for a vacation of the 25' drainage and utility easement (SAV 4F78-04}.
Ms. Schnabel stated this item would remain tabled, however, it was her
understanding that in all likelihood, this item would appear on the agenda
at the next meeting which would probably be December 26, 1978.
3, CONTINUED; REVIEW OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO CIiAPTER 205. ZOII7NG:
MOTTON by Mr. Pleml, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to continue review of the
proposed changes to Chapter 205. 2oning,
UPON A VOICH VOTS, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANSMOUSLY,
4. OTHER BiiSINESS:
Ms. Schnahel stated it appeared the Appeals Commission was going to have
Co have a meeting on December 26, not only because af Agenda Item #2,
but because another request would be coming through that should be handled at
thai meeting.
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APPEALS COMPSISSION MEETING DECEMBER 12 1978 PAGE 5
Ms, Schnabel stated that ae the Co�iesion recalled, they had a request
for a four-plex on 5456 - Sth SC. N.E., and the,Coumiission had recommended
to the petitioner that he purchase the adjacent 40-fooC lot. She stated
that had been accomplished, he had gurchased Chat 40-foot lot, and had
changed his plans to now build a larger unit than originally intended.
Ne was building it without needing any further variances. But, the garage
had to be moved, because the garage was encroaching on tn�:c property.
He was going to move the garage for the two people who ocn�ed the house
nex[ door.
Ma. Schnabel stated that the two people who owned the house next door had
two empty 40-foot lots on the other side of their house. They had come
before Planning Copimission the previous week, requested, and were granted
a lot split down the middle of the 1ot closest to the house, so they had
now created a 60-�oot lot that was vacant. The house was now on a 60-fooC
lot, which was the current 40-foot lot plus the 20 feet lefC from the split.
These people would like to move in a duplex on the new 60-foot empty lot.
They had found a duplex in North Minneapolis that was condemned by the
highway. They would like to move it on to the empty property, but they
aeeded a variance for reduction in lot size, because the lot did not meet
the city's requirement in lot size and, at the same time, there would be
a housekeeping chore of granting a variance on the existing house to the
lot line created by the new lot split. The lot split was granted at the
last Planning Commission meeting but was Held up going to City Council
until the Appeals Commission acted on the two variances. The people
iavolved were anxious to know what was happening so they would have a chance
to bid on the duplex in North Minneapolis. For that reason, Ms. Schnabel
felt the Commission had to talk about having a meeting on the 26th.
Ms. Gabel stated she would be out of town, Mr. Barna stated he probably
would not be able to make the meeting, and Mr. Plemi stated he would be
able to come to the meeting.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would check to make sure the petitioners would
be able to be at a meeting on December 26th. 5he would also talk to
Mr. Kemper to determine whether a December 26th meetfng would be held.
Ms. Schnabel stated the Commissioners had a copy of a letter dated
November 24, 1978, from Virgil Herrick, City Attorney, to Clyde Moravetz.
She stated the reason she had requested that the Commissioners receive
a copy of this letter was because of the meeting the Commission had
regarding the property on 4526 - 2nd St. N.E. with a condemnable building.
ASr. Clark stated that the building was not condemnable. It cwid be
rehabilitated, but would still be 14-16 ft. wide. They could not change
Che size of the structure, but could do rehab work on it and change
Che cosmetics on the outside. The city could not condemn it unless
the people wanCed to do it on their own.
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APPEALS COPII4TSSION MEETING DECEMSER 12 1978 - PAGE 6
Ms. Schnabe2 atated it was the Commission's underatanding at the meeting
that the building was in such a state of disrepair that it was condemnable.
Ms. Gabel agreed that the Commisaion,was Ied to believe that the building
Was condemnable.
Ms. Schnabel stated that the night of the Appeals Commission meeting on
November 14, Mr. Moravetz had informed the Co�ission members that he
had talked on the telephone to Mr. Virgil. Herrick about what the conse-
quences would be if the Cou�ission granted appzoval of these requests.
Ms. Schnabel stated that perhaps the Co�ission had misunderstood Mr. Moravetz,
but it was the Commission's underatanding that Mr. Moravetz had inferred
that the city attorney had said that he did not think there would be any
adverse effect on the court case that was in progress if the Commission
granted these variances on that property.
Mr. Pleml referred to page 13 of Che November 14, 1978, Appeals Coumiission
minutes where he had "asked if action taken here would affect the court
case. Mr. Moravetz stated that he had discussed this with Mr. Herrick
and Mr. Herrick had stated that he didn't see any problem with it since
it would clean up the neighborhood and eliminate the safety hazards, and
since there was a structure on it at present."
Ms. Schnabel asked the Cammission members to note that on the second page
of the letter at the top, it did state things differently than the under-
staqding the Commission members had th2 night of the meeting on November 14.
She felt that having heard about this and now reading the letter, that
perhaps if the Commission would have had the letter the night of November 14,
they might have voted and reacted differently"to the variance request.
It pointed out that in the futnre,the Co�ission should have these inter-
pretations in writing at°the time rather than to rely on conversations by
telephone.
ADJOURNMENT:
Chairwoman Schnabel declared the December 12, 1978, Appeals Co�ission
meeting adjourned at 8:35 p.m.
$espectfully submitted,
+ �'. �-!!,./
L t e Saba
Recording Secretary
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
APPEALS COMMISSZOti MEETING - DECENIDER 26, 1978
CAIS, TO ORDER •
Chairwoman Schnabel called the December 26, 1978, Appeals Commiseion meeting to order
at 7:30 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Membera Present: Ms. Schnsbel, Mr. Kemper� Mr. Barna, Mr. Plemel
Members Absent: Ms. Gabel
Othera Present: Darrel Clark� Conmmunity Development Administrator
APPROVE APPEALS COb4�fISSION MINVPES; DECEME?ER 12� 1978:
MOTION by Mr. Berna, seconded by Mr. Plemel to approve the December 12� 1978, Appeals
Co�iesion minutes.
UPON A VOICE VO'PE� pLL, VOTING AYE� CNAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE M(YPION CARRIED
il
MOTION by t+h�. Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper, to open the Public Hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARID TAE PUBLZC AF�ARING OPEN
AT 7:32 P.M.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. King t� come forward.
Mr. King stated that the variance request should be corrected. Mr. King stated it �ras
4.3 feet frcmn the house to the sidevalk and 3.9 Peet Proa the 60 foot lot to the house.
Ms. Schnsbel agreed that the variance should read 3.9 feet Yrom the new property line,
not 4.3 feet, because the sidewalk would be into the other property as a result of the
lot split. Ms. Schnabel read the Administrstive Staff Report as followe:
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APPEALS COt�IISSION h�TIt7G, DF,CEMBER 26, 1978 PAGE 2
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
5430-32 5th 5treet and 5436 5th Street N.E.
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIREMENT:
205.Q53 {4B) two side yards are required with not less than t0 feet adjoining
living area.
Public purpose served by this section of the code is to maintain a minimum of
20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between garage
and living areas �n adjacent structures to reduce exposure to conflagration of
fire and also to allow for aesthetically pleasin9 open areas around residential
structures.
205.063 (lA) A lot area of not less than 10,Q00 square feet is required for
a two fami]y dwelling unit.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to avoid the condition of over-
crowding in a resldent�al neighborhood.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
petition has property that is zoned multiple but because of the existing single
family home on the property can oniy utilize his big lot by using part of it for
a double bungalow if the variances are approved.
C. ADMTNISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEId:
The first variance requested is caused 6y the new iot line coming closer than
the required 10 feet from the existing house. The new lot ]ine would be 3,g=
feet away from the south side of the existing home. If this variance is
approved, it should be stinulated that the new structure proposed on the parcel
south of this be located 16°.�� feet south of the proposed north line, to provide
the required 20 feet between living areas.
The second variance requested is to reduce the required area for a two family
dwelling from 10,000 square feet to 7,812 square feet. The location does lend
itself to the construction of a two family dwelling since the property is
properly zoned and much of the surrounding area•is presently occupied by
multiple dwellin9s. There is no more land available. The lot would be large
enough for a single family dwel7ing. If the Commission approved this request
it should stipulate that the new structure meet the rest of the two family
zoning requireinents and that it be located 16.l�feet off the north property
line to provide the required 20 feet between living areas.
APPEALS COMMISSION I�ETINGy AECEMBER 2f>, 1978 - PAGE 3
Ms. 8chnabel etated that the Administrative Staff' Report should be corrected ae
follows: the number "4,3 feet" should be changed to "3.9 feet"� and the number "15.7
feet" should be changed to "16.1 feet".
Mr. Clark asked how wide the structure was that they planned to mwe in.
Mr. King stated the structure was 32 feet wide.
Ms. Schnabel stated that pages 6 and 7 af the Plannina Co�ission meeting of December 6,
1978, covered the discussion regarding the lot split request by the Dan-Lan Development
Corporation. At the time of the lot split request it was stated that Mr. King and hia
partner were trying to purchase a double bungalow in Minneapolis that had to be moved
because of a highway. Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Kiag iP they had acquired the double
bungalow yet.
Ms. King stated they were still trying to purchase it but it was still a big m�ybe.
Ms. Schnabel atated that at the time oY the lot split request� the intent was that if
the lot split request was approved and iP the variancea were approved, the petitioners
were going to attempt to purchase the double bungalow and move it onto tbis piece of
property. The petitioners had slso stated that if they could not purchase the double
bungalow, they would build a new double bungalow on the property. Ms. Schnabel asked
Ara�. King if they still intended to dm that.
Mr. King stated that wsa still their intent.
Ms. Schnabel stated they would need the variances in either case. Ms. Schnabel asked
Mr. CZark, regarding the sta�ement in the Ad�ninistrative St�ff Report that the new
dwelling be 16.1 feet from the property line� if there was an attached garage on the
north side of the new stru�ture they �aould be moving in� couldn�t tl�ey actually go 11.1
feet to the property line instead.
Mr. Clark stated the lot was not large enmugh for a house with an attached garage.
Mr. King stated they Were plsnning on a tuck-under.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. King if they do purchase the double bungalow� would it hqve a
tuck-under vith it or would they build one.
Mr. King stated that the contour of the lot was such that they would build a basement
for tbe house e�i build a tuck-under for it.
Ms. Schnabel stated that it was elso discussed at the Planning Co�ission meeting that
the double bungalow they would move in would have to meet all the requirements of the
City Code and also meet the requirements of the Energy Code. Ms. Schnabel ssked Mr. King
if they xould leave the sidewalk there.
Mr. King stated they would take it out.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. King if they would maintain ownership of the double bungalaw.
Mr• King stated they would.
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APPEALS COMMISSION t�'�E"fING� DECEt.mIIt 26, 1978 PAGE 4
Me. Schnabel asked Mr. Clark iY he bad received ar�y C�ent�s from the neighbora and
if he had e�y cor8nenta regarding this request.
Mr. C2ark stated that he had received no prione calls regerding this. Mr. Clark
commented that they had not received a request like thia before, but probebly could
expect similiar requests frvm the other side of the Yreewqy where the highWay took
more land thaa they had to.
Ms. S�hnabel stated that regarding reducing the lot size from 10,000 square feet to
7�812 squsre feet, the mnly other thing that could go on that lot would be a single
£amily ha�e, but the area slready has s substantial numLer of multiple dkellings in
existence, and for that reason she would not have a problem in reducing the lot size
Yor a double bungalow. Also� only one variance was reall,y needed for this lot Yor
this particular house.
Mr. Barna stated he had driven through the area� and Pelt he would not consider b�ing
& ttew single fami],y home in that area. A double bungalow would be about the only thing
sensible economically. Mr. Barna asked if the tuck-under would be to the front or the
rear of tl�e structure.
Mr. K3ng stated the tuck-under would be to the rear.
MOTION by Mr. Kemper� seconded by Mr. Barna, to close the Public Hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIR470MAN SCHNABEL DECLARED Tf1E P[IDLIC HEARING
CLOSED AT 7:5'j P.M.
Mr. Kemper stated that since the lot was in an area of multiple dwellin�s� and it did
not seem feasible or sensible to pui a single fami�y dvelling oa the lot� he would have
no objectloas.
Mr. Barna agreed.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper� to recoammend to Council approval of the
variance request pursuant to Section 205 of the Ni�idley City Code on the property lmown
as 5430 5th Street N.E. These veriances are needed as a resvlt of a lot split request so
that part of the property can be deve2oped into a site for a double bungalma. The
variance for the double bungalow is to reduce the square footage lot requirement from
10�000 square feet to 7,812 square feet, and to reduce the side yard requirement for
the existing house from 10 feet to 3-9 £eet from the new property line. If the
development is completed, tbe addresses of the double bungslow will be 5�30-32 Sth
Street N.E, and the existing house will be addressed as 5436 5th Street N.E.� with the
stipulation that the living area o£ the new structure be placed 16.1 feet from the lot
line for the variance requeet for Code 205.o63(1a).
UPON A VOICE VdPE, ALL VOTING AYE, CAAIRWOMAN SCFINP,BEL DECLARED Ti� MOTION CARRIID
UNANIMOUSLY.
Ma. Schnabel inPormed Mr. King that this request �rould go to the City Council with
the lot split request.
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING� DECEMBER 26� 1978 - PA�� 5
2. TAIiLED: REQ[JESS FOA VARZANL'�'_ PL�tSUANT TO
REAR YARD SE]TBACK FROM 2 F�T TO THREE F'EE"P. (Request by
and Development, Inc., 77 IIeech Street N.E.� Fridley� Mn.
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This item ehou].d remain tabled unt11 the Vacation Request (SAV #78-04) snd the
City Council agrees to let petitioner encroach on the easement.
Ms. Schnabel stated it Was her understanding that this item would remain tabled Por
some time.
3. COn'TII�TUED: REVIEF' OF PROPOSED CHANGES IN CHAPTER 205. ZOri'ING:
MOTI�1 by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Barna� to continue the discuss3on oY the
proposed changea in Chapter 205. Zoning until the next meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALI. VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TAE MOTION CARRiID
UNAPiIMOUSLY.
4. o�r�x suslr�ss•
Ma. Schnabel stated they should receive the memo regarding substandaxd lota dated
December 11� 1978.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Mr. Kemper� to receive the mea� regarding substandard
lots dated December 11� 1978.
UPON A VOICy VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRS'OMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED TP.E MOTION CARRIED
iJNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnsbel stated that most of this was self-explanatory and felt the analysis would
be helpful to have in the future. The letter from Mr. Herrick was received at the last
meeting, so it was only the memo that pointed up some of the difPerent things that
resulted Yrom our reco�endation oP approval on the 40 foot lot on 2nd 5treet N.E.
Mr. Barna asked if that item would be co�+ing back to the Appeals Co�ission.
Ma. Schnabel stated she was nat sure, srxl tt�at the Plannis� Co�ission hsd recommended
to Council that they table it for 90 d�ys a�l Council agreed.
Mr. Berna stated he would re-act differentl,y with the additional information that the
house zras re-vampsble
Ms. Schnabel stated that the City feels the house could be rehabilitated and the City
would not condemn it, and therefore feels it was not necessary to tear it down and build
a nev one.
Mx. Clark stated he personally Yelt it wovld be better for the neighborhood to tear it
dwn and build a new home of a larger size, rrhich wqs what the petitioner vanted to do.
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APPEAL3 CO2k�ffSSION ME�TING, DECEi+�ER 26, 1978 PACE 6
Ms. Schnabel stated they *aere sltght�jr led off course. At the meeting, Mr. Morevetz
atsted he had talked to Mr. Herrick about the le�al problems of their approving ar�y-
thing on this piece of praperty, and Mr. Moravetz implied that Mr. Herrick did not
feel that their approving those particular varitwces would in any way l�amper the Court
Case the City wae involved in. Mr. Moravetz's inPormation vas based on a telephone
conversation. Several days later, Mr. Moravetz received the letter from Mr, Herrick�
statfng 180 degrees differenee. Ms. Schnabel stated she had made the atatement that
she felt that members oY the Appeala Conunisaion wou].d have voted different].y 1£ they
had had a copy of Mr. Herricks letter at the ti.me.
Mr. Kemper stated that if there were neW circumstances or new evidence� and the Covncil
Wanted them to look at it again� maybe they should.
The Co�isaioners revieWed the synopais that was attsched to the memo. Ms. Schnabel
noted that the ones that were denied had objections from neighbors, whereas in this
particular case� the nefghbors were in fsvor of it.
Mr. Barna stated that part oY the reason they decided to go along with it was because
of the response of the neighbors and also because there was already a house on the lot.
Ms. Schnabe7. noted that the neighbors had approached the contractor and asked him to
do something about it.
Mr. Clark stated that the heating, plumbing and viring was to code snd it was a matter
of re-enforcing the structure.
Mr. Kemper stated they were told the heating was inadequate� and also that the wiring
vas bad. Mr. Kemper stated that a large part o£ his decision was the fact that the
house had to be taken down. If that was noi true� he might hgve made a different
decision.
Ms. Schnabel stated she Yelt there Were several mis-leading statements made by StafF
at the meeting. They were told that the house was not hsbitable and shpuld be con-
demned and also they were told tliat approval of the request would not jeopardize the
court case. T3ose were two difYerent statements than what they were getting now and
if they had this information at the meeting, they probably would have voted differently.
Ms. Schnabel stated that they would like Counc3l to know that they have received t�o
conflicting pieces of information and if Council wishes them tb re-consider the requast
they should direct them to re-consider it, otherwise Counci2 could handle it themselves
when the 90 day are up� with the outlook that there was additionsl information they did
not have,
Mr. Berna stated he would have liked to have seen a smaller home on that lot� and *,rith
the new 3nPormation� he would perfer to see them re-va�p the existing house. This would
elso make a lawer priced houae avsilable in the ares.
MCYtION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr. Plemel, to inform the City Council that because
of additional and conflictin� information regarding the varianee requests for �e526
2nd Street N.E., the Appeals Co�ission would be will�ng to reconsider the request�
or the City Council should mske a final decieion itself at the end of the 90 dqy period.
UPON A VOICE VO'PE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCFINABEL DECLARED THE M(7PPTON CARRIID
UNANIMOUSLY.
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APPEALS CONQ+ILSSIOPd MEETIPiG, DECEMBIIi 2(, 1978 PAGE 7
MOTION by Mr. Barna, aeconded by N�. Plemel� to ad�ourn the December 26� 1978� meeting
of the Appeals Connnission.
UPOP7 A VOIQE VOTE� ALL VOTIflG AYE, CHAIRWOMA*i SCHNABEL DECLARED Tf� MEEPIPIG ADJOURNEA
AT 8:20 P.M.
Respectful]y aubmitted,
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Katl�y Sh ton, Recording Secretary
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ENERGY PR0.TECT COMNICTTEE
MEETING
DSCEMBER 13, 1978
MEMBERS PRESENT: Jim Langen£eld, William Wharton, Dennis Anderson,
Dean Saba, Giles McConville, Betty Enkhaus
MEMBERS ABSBNT: Richard Harris, Donald Wall, Chester Potasek
OTHERS PRESENT: Tom Anderson, Minnegasco
Warren Johnson, Northern States Power (phone �561-7200)
Bill Davis, Minnesota State Energy Agency
CALL TO ORDER•
Acting Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
APPROVAI, OF NOVEMBER 15 1978, ENERGY PROJECT COMh4ZTTEE MINUTES:
MOTION by Giles McConville, seconded hy Dean Saba, to approve the
Novembe.r 15, 1978, Energy Project Committee minutes as written. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion
carried unanimausly.
1.
TOM ANDERSON, MINNEGASCO
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he was able to get Che gas customer county broken
down as categorized in his letter of November 30, 1978, to Mr. Jerry Boardman.
The 7,754 Firm Customers were those customers who used up to and did not
exceed 6 M.C.F. (1,000 cubic feet) per day. He was not able to get a
breakdown to determine how many of those customers were light coamiercial
customers.
Mr. Langenfeld asked how Fridley compared in gas usage to other coumiunities.
Was Fridley average?
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he could not compare Fridley with other comnunities
as he did not have figures for othex ca�anunities. The question of the gas
count requested by the Energy Project Committee was Ghe first he had received
from any other community. Fridley was the leader. He stated he wouid be
happy to get that in£ormation for the committee's next meeting if they
would like him to.
ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETZNG DECEMBEft 13 1978' - PAGE 2
Mr. Langenfeld stated the Committee would appreciate that information and
it would give the Committee a little more foundation to work with.
Mr. Wharton asked Mr. Anderson if he knew how many Interruptible Customers
were using oil standby or £uel standby?
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he did not know, but it was information he could
a2so procure fot the Coumittee.
Mr. Dennis An;derson asked if the names of the 64 Interruptible Customers
were available?
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he was sure he could get that information also.
Mr. Dennis Anderson stated it might give the Committee an idea of what was
considered large versus light co�ercial. He stated he did not have a feel
for tfie difference between light commercial and the interruptible. He would
like a definition of what Minnegasco considered light commercial.
Mr. Tom Anderson stated it was strictly the volume of gas used. If it was
ovez 60 M.C.F., it was an interruptible account.
Mr. Wharton asked if there was any average M.C.F. figure on what an average
home would use fn any one day in a year2
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he would attempt to get that information.
Mr. Langenfeld asked that in relation to the energy today, was Mr. Anderson
involved with the actual administration of canserving and was Minnegasco
pushing for that? Did Mr. Anderson really feel they were entering into a
critical energy situationY
Mr. T� Anderson stated the answer to the first question was yes. Itt answer
to the second question, he did not feel they were entering a critical
situation as far as supply and shortage were concerned. It was critical in
terms o£ the high cost of gas to the consumer. Minnegasco did not foresee
any problems supply-wise. Due to conservation measures that people had
taken and the fact that Minnegasco had cut back on the supply to eleetric
generation systems which was one of their largest consumption means, locally
they had ample supply and storage.
Mr. Tom Anderson stated that, as far as the industry was concerned, they
were in the same position with ample supply. The shelf inventory was
increasing and they foresaw some great strides in the near future. Those
supplies had become accessible through deeper dzilling. Areas more difficult
to get at was going to be more costly Eor them, and therefore the cost to
the consumer would continually go up. Zt was a matter of their telling
people to use enexgy wisely for the long range future and for their pocket-
books.
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ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETING, DECEMBER 13, 1978 - PAGE 3
Mr. Tom Anderson stated that Minnegasco had an education program for the
children in the schools. At the next meeting, he would bring a list of
the programs available in the schools. They were in to the school area,
the public and civic areas, plus the State Fair and the Energy Saver Show
a few weeks ago.
Mr. Saba asked how did drilling deeper for gas compare to the gasification
of coal and the converting of peat to gas? Was the cost that excessive ot
were there other problems in doing that? .
Mr. Tam Anderson stated that the main.issue with coal was the environmental
concerns and the BTU content. At the present time the most economical means
was drilling and drilling deeper. Coal gasification and peat were things
that were progressing and possibly in two-three years, they would be producing
from that.
Mr. Wharton stated that if the Committee felt the need to get some assistance
in the area of some metering, possibly in some o£ the city-owned facilities,
what kind of cooperation could they get from Minnegasco to get into this
kind of study?
Mr. T� Anderson stated they would cooperate to the fullest. The Industrial
and Coumiercial Department was interesCed and he could put the Committee in
touch with them to work something out.
Mr. Wharton stated he understood that the new national Energy Policy had a
requirement in it that utilities provided personnel to be able to assist
in conducCing energy audits and that kind of thing. Did Minnegasco have
anyone on board for this?
Mr. Tom Anderson stated that he was part of that group that was being headed
up for the residential secYor. It was very much in the infancy stage
because he understood the State was supposed to set down the guidelines.
Minnegasco was checking out different systems that had been used in other
areas in the form of energy audits to be somewhat prepared for when this
did c�e. He stated there would be a charge for these energy audits.
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he would certainly come back to other co�ittee
meetings, but would like to have a clearer picture of what use the Co�ittee
wished Minnegasco to play in this activiYy.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that perhaps by looking at the Energy Project
Committee's Scope and Purpose, Minnegasco could fit it in with their
program and Mr. Anderson could cume back and relay Co Yhe Committee how
Minnegasco could help the committee.
Mr. Tom Anderson stated he had some materials to hand out to the members.
There was a brochure on how to start an energy management program for
the business person and there were sane energy conservation tips for the
homeowner.
ENERGY PRRTECT COPIIffTTEE MHETING DECEMBER 13 1978 - PAGE 4
MOTION by Dean Saba, seconded by Betty $nkhaus, to receive the energy
information from Minnegasco. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Wharton stated that existing under the State Building Code, there was
an Energy Code which applied here as well as anywhere in the state.
He stated energy conservation on existing residents was going into effect
and would become law the first of January 1979. Enforcement was going to
be difficuZt but the Bnergy Agency was looking at certifying people (possibly
realtors) who could certify that the home of an existing resident did meet
these new energy standards.
Mr. Langenfeld thanked Mr. Anderson for coming and stated that the next
committee meeting would probably be January 17, 1979. Mr. Langenfeld
stated that if the coa�ittee members came up with more questions to ask
Mr. Anderson, they could do so at the next meeting.
2.
NORTHERN
Mr. Johnson stated that he was not the energy expert for the company. He
worked as Liaison between the 17 meCropolitan cou�unities and the North
Divisian. He stated he was somewhat knowledgeable itt various aspects of
energy programs, and he was at the meeting to more ox less monitor what
the Gommittee needed. He stated they had people on staff with expertise
in this area, and he would be glad to come back when he knew what the
committee was looking for and maybe give the Committee a better review of
what NSP was doing and what they could do and would do.
Mr. Johnson stated that the total number of electric customers for the
City of Fridley was only 42. As stated in his December 12, 1978, letter:
"Although there is a relatively small number of homes, I am sure that there
are hundreds of other homes and commercial buildings that are using
electricity for auxiliary heating. How much and where we have no way of
knowing."
Mr. Johttson sta[ed their company had several things they passed out to
various groups. "It Pays to Earn This Seal" was an excellent piece of
material given to contractors who bUilt homes as it told how to insulate
homes. He stated that the "Energy Saver News" had a lot of infox'mation
pertaining to energy use. He also showed the Co�ittee a pamphlet put
out by NSP entitled, "Key to Comfort".
Mr. Dennis Anderson stated that the Committee should all have copies of
"It Pays to Earn this Seal".
Mr. Langenfeld stated he wondered if the Commit
obtaining these types of information.
ENERGY PROJECT C01�9MITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 13 1978 - PAGB 5
Mr. Johnson stated he would be glad to give the`Committee whatever the
cotnpany had within xeason for quantities. He stated they had a program
for energy consexvation, equal to Minnegasco, until about six months ago.
The company had gone through a vast reorganization and the energy department
had been cut badly, but he felt they might have t4 get back into it again.
He stated the people still available like himself would do their best to
get information to groups such as the Snergy Project Co�ittee, would make
contacts for the Committee, and would keep the Committee abreast of what
NSP was doing. He stated he would be happy to attend meeCings from time
to time.
Mr. Johnson stated that NSP was opening the Idea House in Roseville. I3SP
had built a new home, and the system was to use a 16-gallon water reservoir
tank in the basement beneath the garage that stored heat in the summer to be
released in the winter and stored cold in the winter to be released in the
summer. There were many other heat saving devices in the house. The house
was in the experimental stages. He stated tours were available and he
could arrange a tour for the Committee if they were inCerested.
Mr. Dennis Anderson asked if a house was built with proper insulating
standards, insulating windows, etc., what was the BTU cost to heat electri-
cally versus natural gasl
Mr. Johnson stated he did not have that figure, hut he could get it for
the Committee. It would be more expensive Co heat electrically because you
did not get as many BTU's as out of the same unit of gas.
Mr. Langenfeld asked about NSP's rate strucCure where, if a person had
some kind of alternate electric heating device to conserve energy, NSP
charged a minimum rate even if that device was not used.
Mr. Johnson stated he did not believe there was a set rate on that yet,
although if NSP had to have sCandby equipment to take care of a home or
business, they had to get their investment back, so there was a fixed cost
pex month.
Mr. Langenfeld stated the concern of the person who went to the expense
of building a home to conserve electricity and then was penalized by the
utillty for non-usage.
Mr. Johnson stated he did not think that would be the problem because right
now they had a new energy conservation rate that if a person used 400 KWH
or less per month, $1.50 was discounted from the bill, if 300 KWH, $2.50
was discounted from the bill. What they were concerned about was the person
wlth a solar energy home, for example, and five days out of the week, it
ran on solar energy, but the sixth and seventh days, it had to run on standby
electric energy. They would have to have their equipment in that home
anyway, so there would be a rate. Otherwise, the other customexs would have
Co subsidize that.
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ENERGY PR0.TECT COI�IITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 13 1978 - PAGE 6
Mr. Johnson stated that the new energy conservation rate was experimental.
The PubLic Service Co�ission had asked NSP to try it. He stated that 46%
of NSP's customers used under 400 KWH per month.
(Mr. Wharton left the meeting at 8:50 p.m.)
Mr. Saba stated that regarding indus[rial usage, was NSP working with
industrial customers recommending energy conservation measures?
Mr. Johnson stated that they definitely were. Three years ago they had
started an energy conservation program and they had energy representatives
whose sole job was to contact industry and commercial establishmenta, discuss
energy conservation and take surveys of their buildings. Many of these
companies had saved large amounts of money.
Mr. Saba asked if there was anything NSP was doing to actively reduce the
number of plants needed five years from now.
Mr. Johnson stated they were studying time-of-day pricing; and if they
could get the proper rates and the proper people to participate, that
would reduce the need for building another plant. They may, within a year
or so, come out with time-of-day pricing.
Mr. Langenfeld thanked Mr. Johnson for coming. He stated that Mr. Johnson
would receive an Energy Project Committee Scope and Purpose in the mail.
Maybe after reading it, Mr. Johnson wouZd have enough information about
what the Cot�ittee was all about.
Mr. Johnson stated he would try to bring another member of NSP along to
the next meeting who was more knowledgeable in this area,
3. MODEL ENERGY POLICIES-- Mtt. BILL DAVIS, STATE ENERGY A�ENCY:
Mr, Davis stated that he was able to compile some of the information
requested by the Co�ittee and one was the energy consumption in Frid2ey.
The source of this data was the Annual Report o£ Northern States Power to
the Federal Energy Regulatory Co�ission for the years ending Dec. 31, 1976
and 1977, so there were two years to compare.
Mr. Davis stated the information was broken down into four categories:
Residential Sa1es
69,174,475 Kilowatts Hours (KWH) sold 1976
65,711,545 KWH sold 1977
3,462,930 DifEerence l
Mr. Davis stated that the energy emergency might have something to do with
this decline in residential energy usage.
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ENERGY PROJECT COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 13 1978 - PAGE 7
Commercial and Industrial Sales
208,029,335 KWH sold 1976
228,046,1H4 KWH sold 1977
20,016,849 Difference T
Mr. Davis stated this was close to a 1CP/, increase,
Public Streets and Highways
1,382,925 KWH sold 1976
1,450,533 KWH sold 1977
67,908 Difference 'I`
Other Sales to Public Authorities (catch-all)
39,729,949 KWH sold 1976
39,386,380 KWFI sold 1977
343,569 Aifference y'
Total KWH Sold
318,316,684 KWH sold 1976
334,594,942 KWH sold 1977
16,270,258 Difference '�
Mr. Davis sYated that the overall assessment was that electrical usage
was up about 16 million KWH, a little less than an 8% increase over a two-
year period.
MOTION by Dean Saba, seconded by Gi1es McConville, to receive the "Energy
Consumption for Fridley (Electrical Only)" dated December 13, 1978, from
Mr. Bi.11 Davis. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld
declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Davis stated it would be in order to covmiend the residents o£ Fridiey
for conserving energy. This was important data to begin to have available,
so as a Committee they could begin to seC policies in terms of where to
begin to address long term plans. He stated he would continue to compile
more information as time permitted. He would also look into gas consumption.
Mr. Davis stated this was information submitted annually by NSP so copies
were in their office.
Mr. Saba asked if the information could be made available of the number
of increased hook-ups on commercial from 1976 and 1977 so they could find
the souzce of the increase in demand?
MOTION by Dean Saba, seconded by Betty Enkhaus, to instruct staff to try
to compile.the information regarding the increase in demand of Commercial
and Industrial Sales between the years 1976 and 1977. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously.
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ENERGY PROIECT COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 13 1978 - PAGE 8
Mr. Davis stated the Coum�ittee might want to contact Mr. G, S. Pettersett,
ControLler, of NSP for any furCher information.
Mr. Davis stated he brought samples of four model energy policies drafted
by Moorhead, Minneapolis, New Bri$hton, and New Ulm. Most of them were
still in draft form.
MOTION by Giles McConville, seconded by Dean Saba, to receive the model
energy policies from Moorhead, Minneapolis, New Brighton, and New Ulm.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the
motion carried unanimously.
Mr, Davis stated that the Committee had asked about district heating and if
it was feasible for Fridley. He stated he did not have any information
available on that yet as he was unable to get together with the engineer
on the Energy Agency's staf£. The Agency, as we11 as the Department of
Energy, was very much interested in ca-generation of district heating concept,
and Minnesota seemed to be in the forefront, They had a number of consultants
come in to give them information. In fact, the Director of the Agency had
visited Sweden last year to tour the facilitfes there.
Mr. Davis sLated that one other question the Committee had asked was the
average KWH consumption for a household, He stated an average household of
1,000 sq, ft. usually consumed between SQO-750 RWH per month.
Mr. Davis reported on several energy conservation films available from the
State Energy Agency.
Mr, Saba asked if it was possible for the Committee to obtain s�e of these
filmsY
Mr. Davis stated they had a list of films within the Agency. Schools did
have top priority on all the films�and during the school year, films were
hard to get, He stated he would send a list of these films to the Committee.
Mr. Saba stated the library had the capability of showing these films, and
it would be ideal to publicize, show £ilms, and maybe get a lot of interest.
Mr. Davis stated that the energy committee in White Bear Lake was in the
process of having their energy fair on Jan, 27-28, 1979, at Mariner High
School. This was the first attempt within the 7-county metro area on
energy shows and energy fairs being put together with an energy committee.
He stated thexe was no cost to the public for this energy fair.
4. GOALS AND TENTATIVE GOALS:
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Committee should continue this item until
the Committee was able to review the model energy policies and had a
better idea of where the Committee would be.heading.
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ENERGY PROJECT CONAlITTEE MEETING DECEMA�R 13 1978 - PAGE 9
MOTION by Giles McConville, seconded by Dennis Anderson, to continue
"Goa1s and Tentative Goals"; also to continue Item �5 "Priorities" until
the nexY meeting. Upon a voice vote, ail voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld
declared the motion carried unanimously.
5. PRIORITIES (continued until next meeting}
6. ELECTION OF CHAZRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON;
Mr. Langenfeld declared the nominations open for chairperson.
Mr. Saba nominated Mr. Langenfeld for chairperson.
MOTION by Giles McConville, seconded by Dennis Anderson, to close the
nominations for chairperson. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson
Langenfeld declared the nominations closed.
By white ballot, Mr. Langenfeld was chosen chairperson of Che Energy
Project Committee.
Mr. Langenfeld declared the nominations open for vice-chairperson.
Ms. Enkhaus nominated Mr. Dick Harris for vice-chairperson.
Mr. McConville nominated Mr. Dean Saba for vice-chairperson.
MOTION by Betty Enkhaus, seconded by Giles McConv311e, to close the
nominations for vice-chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Langenfeld declared the nominations closed.
By secret ballot, Mr. Saba was elected vice-chairperson of the Energy
Project Committee.
7 . OTHER BiTSINESS •
A. Set Date and Agenda for Next Meeting:
The Committee seC January 17, 1979, as its next meeting date.
Agenda'for January 17, 1979, meeting:
1. Minnegasco, Mr. Tom Anderson
2. Northern States Power, Mr, Warren Johnson
3. Goals and Tentative Goals
4. Discussion of Model Ordinances
Mr. Saba requested that the model ordinances be sent out earlier than
the minutes so the Committee members would have ample time to review
them.
ENERGY PROJBCT COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 13 197g - PAGE 10
B. Energy Show:
Mr. Saba stated he had'attended the Energy Saver Show and had picked
up extra copies of "State Solar Legislation". State by state, it
listed some of the things being considered for solar energy. He had
found it very interesting, and the committee members were welcmne to
have a copy o£ it.
Mr. Saba stated that a lot of local communities were getting involved
in energy courses through community education. He encouraged the
committee members to look for these energy courses, as a lot of
information could be gotten from them. He wondered if there was
the possibility of offering some energy courses through Fridley's
Com�unity Education programl
Mr. Langenfeld stated he thought it was important to first find out
what the limitation was as far as a budget for the Energy Project
Committee.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if the committee members would like to make some
kind of invitation to have Mr. Dick Harris continue on the Committee?
Mr. Anderson stated he felt Mr. Harris would be a valuable person to
have on the Committee.
MOTION by Dennis Anderson, seconded by Dean Saba, to ask Mr. Dick Harris
to become a member of the Energy Project Committee. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeid declared the motion carried
unanimously.
ADJOItRNFR?NT -
M�TION by Dean Saba, seconded by Giles McConville, to adjourn the meeting.
Upnn a voice vnte, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the
December 13, 1978, Energy Project Committee meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m.
Re�s� ectfully sub itted,
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t/Yt� `--��
LynCe Saba
8ecording Secretary
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ADMIN ]000 (Rev.7/78)
STATE OF MINNESOTA
DEPARTMENT Energy Aqency O f f ice Memo�-andum
TO • City of Fridley's Energy Committee DATE: Dec, 13� 1978
FROM
SUB7ECT:
Bill Davis
PHONE: Zg6-1732
Energy Consumption For Fridley (Electrical Only)
For the calendar years ending December 31, 1976 and 1977
the following figures were compiled for your review. Please note
that only electric usage is shown.
Residential Sales
69,174,475 Kilowatts Hoixrs (KWf?) sold 1976
65,711,545 KWH sold 1977
3,462,930 Difference ,�
Commercial and Industrial Sales
208,029,335 KWH sold 1976
228,046,184 KWH sold 1977
20,016,849 Difference q,
Public Streets and Highways
1,382,925 KWH sold 1976
1,450,833 KWFi sold 1977
67,908 Difference �
Other Sales to Pul�lic Authorities (catch-all)
39,729,949 KWH sold 1976
39,386,380 KWH sold 1977
343,569 Difference j
Total b'WH Sold
318,316,684 KWH sold 1976
334,594,942 KWIi sold 1977
16,270,258 Difference ♦
*Source of data - Annual Report of Northern States Power Company,
414 Nicollet Ma11. Mpls, MN. To the Fedezal Bnergy Regulatory
Commission for the years ending December 31, 1976 and 1977.
Contact person: Mr. G,S. Pettersen, Controller, NSP,
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N O R T H E R N 5 T A T E 5 P O W E R C O M P A N Y
45p1 6BTH AVENUE NORTH
BROOKLYN CENTBR. MINNESOTA 55429
December 12, 1978
Energy Proiect Committee
City of Fridley
6431 University Ave. N,E.
Fridley, MN 55421
Decar Co:nmitfee,
In answer to your inquiry, as to the number of totQl electric residential
cusfomers we serve in the City of Fridley, the number is approximately
forty-two.
A(ti�ough this is a relative(y small number of homes, f am sure that there
are hundreds of other homes and commercial buildings that are using elec-
tricity for ouxiliary heating. How much and where we have no woy of
knowing.
( hope tF�is information is helpful.
$incerely
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Warren R Johnson
Staff Assistanfi
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CITY OF FRZDLEY
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Ms. Schnabel ou6gasted that'because Chairman fSarris waa absent, and Vice Chairman
Langenfeld vas due to arrive late, they appoint a temporary acting chairman until
Vice Chairman Langenfeld arrived, and she mnde the following motim :
MOTION by b7s. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Storla� to appoint hir. Peterson as temporary
action chaiz�u�an until Vice Chairman Langenfeld arrived.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� TAE NATION WAS CARR]ED UNANItdOUSLY.
CALL TO ORDER:
Acting Chairman Peterson called the January 10� 1979a meeting of the Planning Co�ission
to order at 7:35 P•M•
ROLL CALL:
Members Present; Ned Storla, LeRoy Oquist� Virginia Schnsbel� Robert Peterson
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Richard Harris� Jim Langenfeld (Mr. Langenfeld arrived at 8:20 P.M.)
Jerry Boardman� City Planner
1. APPROVE A^vEPdDA FOR PLANNING COMn4ISSI0N r'�'.E'PING: SANUARY 10� i979:
t�TION by Ma. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Oquist to adopt the agenda as presented.
N,r. Storls atated that Item No. 9 on the agenda, the Memorandum of Agreement, had
been tabled and should not appear on the agenda until it is removed from the table.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� AG�t'ING CHAIRMAN PETERSON DECLARID TiIE AGEPIDA ADOPTED
WITH THE CORRECTION.
Q, APPROVE THE PI�ANNING COMhiISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 6� i978�
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to approve the December 6� 1978 Planning
Co�ission Minutes.
Ms. Schnabel stated tht�t on page 6, fourth paragraph� second sentence� there should be
a correctfon. That sentence should read: as recommended by Appeals� instead of as
recoammended by Planning.
(JPdN A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� ACTING CHAIRMAN PETERSON DECLARED THE MIIVUTES
APPROVED WITH Tf� CORRECTTON.
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INNSRRUCK iVOR1'H TOWiIHOliSF. PLAT 5� AidD A TOF7NHOUS� DEV�LUYtYiG1v'1'� 't'-�(o-vi� rv�irie�iiv
OAKS, bY D.;RREL A. FARR DEI�'ELOPb�'NT CORPORATION: E3eing e replat of Dutlot H,
Innsbruck North, except that part already platted as Innsbruck North Townhouse
Plat 4, and part� of Tnnsbruck North Second and Third Additions, generally located
North of I.694, between Afeiater.Road and the Corporate Limita of the City of
Fridley.
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MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Mr. Storla, to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOT�, ALL VOTING AYE� ACTING CHAIRMe�N PETEFiSON DECL�RED THE PUBLIC
HEARZNG OPEN AT 7:�+5 P•M•
Ms. Boardman noted that the Public Hearing Was opened Por two items, the plat, and
the townhouses. Mr. Boardman atated that page 18 oY the agenda book ahows Outlot H.
This ie the 5th and final plat in the City of Fridley for the Innsbruck Townhouse area.
It is located in the southeast section of the Darrel Farr plat ares and is the last
section oP the Innsbruck area to be platted. 1�. Boardman showed the Co�issioners the
plans of how the area would be platted out. Mr. Boardman stated that the initial design
was for an eight unit structure, but had been changed to a six unit structure� and also
changed it into a townhouse, where before they were considering a condominfvm. They had
discussed this vith the Townhouse Association, and this vas what the Association wanted,
so they decided to do it this wqy. Mr. Boardman stated he htid gone over this with Bob
Aldrich and there would be an emergency cross-over rosd for emergency vehicles. The
tennis courts would be across from the Recreation Center, which is what the people want.
Mr. Peterson stated there had been a lot oY comment regarding tennis courta in this
area. The Darrel A. Farr Corporation had escrowed money with the City for tennis courts,
snd asked if tbose were the courts.
Mr, Boardman stated that money was not for these tennis courts� but for two sdditional
courts to be located somewhere by the City.
Mr. Peterson stated the problem was that with the building the Farr Corporation had don
in this area� they were getting s lot of pressure for additional tennis courts, and wit
the amount of building in the area� there �aas no land avai7.able to build the courts on.
Mr. Peterson stated he had difficulty with putting tennis courts in there if they xould
only be for the townhouse people, because there are a lot of other people in the area
who have purchased land from the Farr Corporation that do not have tennis courts and we
putting pressure on the City.
t�h�. Boardman stated there was a possibility of placing the tennis courts on the Grace
High School property.
Mr. Peterson stated that from the viewpoint of the Parka and Recreation Commission they
wouldn't get that. bir. Peterson stated hir. Farr had put a lot of houses up there and it
was easy to give money� but what they needed was property.
Mr, Boardman noted that they had at least gotten the money� and regardless of which
development it was, they would still have a problem� because they didn't get property.
Mr, Boardman stated that there would be a lot of srea within the complex itself that
would be outside the construction limits that would be leYt natural. They would try
to leave thia area as woaled as possible and as natural as possible. All oP the units
would be put in as separate, clear-cut units so they wouldn't be going through and
cutting a whole slice out as they did in the Villages. They felt that vras a mistake
and this time would clear out only enough area to build each iudividual unit� which
would be more expensive but would be better for selling the units later on. Mr. Boardman
stated there would be no variances ueeded and Staff had no problem with the way �hese
unita were layed out. Mr• Boerdman showed the Cou�isaioners the plans of the units
Which explained the design of the units� which would have sepsrate blocks and 2ots.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JANUARY 10, i979 - PAGE 3 3 g
Mr. Boardman stated there would be more than adequate parking stalls. When they went
in with eight units per building they were required to have 14 parking stalls per
building snd they hed allowed 16 parking sta113 per building. They then went to 6 units
per building� but d1d not change the parking plans. Also they had planned on a
recreational vehicle parking area� but that may or may not remain a part of the plans�
because there was some concern from other people who would use that area.
Mr. Peterson asked if this would be a separate Townhouse Aasociation.
Mr. Boardman stated it would be a part of the present Assoeiation.
Mr. Oquist asked if the tennis court Rear the Recreation Building was in addition to
the two covrts money had been escroaed for.
Mr. Boardman stated the tennis court near the Recreation Buildir�g was a private Association
tennis court and the intent was that the other two C1ty tenn3s courts aould placed
somewhere in the area.
Mr. Oquist asked 1Y he meant they would be placed in the Innsbruck area.
Mr. Boardman stated they would be placed wherever they could find a location Por them.
They may hsve to plsce them down by the Moore Lake Beach area.
Ns. Peterson steted that the Parks and Recreation Commission would not vote fcr the
courts to go there� because they already have courts on Moore Lake and the people in
Innsbruck want them in Iunsbruck.
Mr. Boardman gave the Commissioners a letter from the North Innsbruek Townhouse Asso-
ciation� and noted that in the preliminary discussions� the Association approved o£
the general plans.
Mr. Thomas Johnson of the Darrel A. Farr Corporation came forward and made the following
gresentation. Mr, Johnson showed the Co�i.ssioners an artists drawing of the townhouse
structure. There would be 6 units per building. They would try to use the topogrspkly
as it exists� leaving green areas. The buildings were designed with the topograpt�y in
mind. They started out in the early 1970's with an approved plan unit development for
850 units in t�e Innsbruck North complex. Phase I was 102 townhouses� PUase II was the
Black Forest with 258 units apartment building� Phase I?I was the 56 Vienna units�
Phase IV was the 46 privacy units on the extreme soutb end of the complex, and the Phase P
with 96 Village units� for a total oY 558 units and the proposed plat Yor the 5th Addition
would have 7S units, for a total of 636 which is 214 units less than the approved PUD.
The 5th Addition would be named Foutain Oaks�.but at this tlme they will refer to it as
Plat 5. There would be 78 townhouses cn 9.1 acres with 124 covered parking places and
104 uncovered places which means every other resident could have two garagea. They have
more than adequste�y provided for oPf-street narking and garages. Regarding green areas�
they not only provided large green areas on the parimeter but woald be leaving small
areas in the groupin�a of buildings. They believe they can develop the area and leave
those areas natural with the oak trees and also provide such natural amenities as rock
gardens� benchea and tables. They would also have a portion of the area for trails which
would adjoin existing trails in the other additions� for a total of about 2 1�2 miles of
treils. These trails would also connect with the City trails.
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Mr. Johnson continued and stated they would have 78 total units� 39 oY which would
be called B units whicb would have one bedroom with A loft� selling Yor $�5,900 to
$47�5pp. The C units would have two bedrooms and tao etoriea and wou13 eell for
$59,5� to �63,000. The F, units would have one bedroom with a sitting area and would
eell for $46�500 to $48,50U• They did people studies and detercnined there would be
2.9 People per townhouse. With 54 privacy units that would total 156 people. R'heir
experience indicates that tor+nhouses with 2�3rds 1 bedroom units should develop about
1.5 people. With 78 units that would equal aUout 117 people. Therefore they didn�t
Peel they would be generating a lot of additional people which would cause tra£fic
or amenity problems. With 78 units with 1.3 bedrooms the total would be about 9k to
96 people. Mr. Johnson stated they were a HOW builder (Homeowners Waranty) and
were concerned about maintenance on the new buildings. Plat 5 would have 63,250 square
feet of blacktop which would be private streets maintained by the Association. Plat
5 would have 13 building with a ground cover of 42�300 square feet. The lawn area to
be maintained would be 80�000 squrare feet. Because they ean cut the buildings into the
natural contour and individually grade each building they xouJ.d have 75,000 square feet
of ground cover and end up with 120,000 squsre feet of lacm area to be maintained.
With this proposal there wou].d be almost twice as much roofing and siding maintenance
as there would have been with the original propossl. The tar�et date for completion
would be mid-19$1. With this proposal they would lesve 43�, of the plat undisturbed.
Mr. Storla asked where the park trails would lead inta the city trails.
Mr. Johnson stated there were trails �;n the area called the Villa�es which went around
the Black Forest and connected up with City trails in the park. They would be black
top trails.
Mr. Storla asked where the tennis courts would go, iP this area was platted as proposed.
Mr. Boardman stated they could go in the Ciiy park property behind the Black Forest,
but they would then become apartment tenn3s courts. Another alternative was the Farr
Lake area, but that wou].d disturb the passive lake area. Another alternative would be
the wooded property behind Grace High School or on the property by the closed elementary
school.
Mr. Storla asked if all the people 3n the area belon�ed to one association.
Mr. Boardman stated there were two associetions: The Townhouse Association and the
Villages Association.
Mr. Oquist asked if there would be ax�y drainage problems from the surfaced areas.
Mr. Johnson stated that when they had previously platted this area� it was taken before
the Rice Creek Wntershed people. They are on the agenda� but feel this could be
handled at the Staff level because it was approved twice bePore and there would be less
drainage because there would be less blacktop than in the other sites. They feel there
would be no problem.
Afs. Schnabel asked if there would be a formal plan for water retention and runo£Y.
Mr, Boardmen stated they had a formal plan and there would be several retention basins ,
and a ponding area. �
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Ms. Schnabel atated she was concerned about the landscaping. In the last development
of townhouses� they were assured that the retention of the trees was e strong selling
point, but ss the development proceeded, almost every tree wes taken down.
Mr. Farr stated that the discu�sion et that point in time was one of degree. How maqy
trees could they save with the 96 townhouse units versue how many could they �ave xlth
the 251 apartment units. It was a relative discussion in which they stated they could
save more trees uith the townhouses which they did. They are feW in number and would
have been non-existent iY they had built the 251 units. The City has on file a cut
and Pill wap that was submitted with the 251 unit plan in 1972a They also have the
cut and fill map that was submitted when they built the 96 townhouse units. There are
more treea there now than there would have Ueen if they had buil� the 251 unit apartment
building. As far as the landscaping �as concerned� they presented the landscaping plan
to the City and to the single Yamily homeowners iu the area, and also to the VA and FHA,
and that plan nas been complied with to the letter.
Ms. Schnebel asked ii they were in the process of planting neW trees in the area.
Mr. Farr stated they had planted over 120 trees so far.
Ms. Schnabel asked what their intention was regarding the new development� iP they would
have a landscaping plan for that.
Mr. Farr stated they felt they could save a lot more trees in this development because of
the pl�ysical charscter o£ the �round. They would cut 3n the atreets and as they build
a building, they would excavate it like a house. The structures would not be much bigger
than a house, the outside dimensions �rould be about 54 x 52. They expect to save a lot
oP the natural cover. To the extent that they disturb the natural cover� they would plant
trees and shrubs in accordance with what they have done in the balance of Innsbruck.
Ms. Schnabel stated that was wl�y she was concerned. She felt that the land in the area
o£ the Villages was raped and was ecncerned that it not k�appen again� and would like a
formal plan.
Mr. Boardman �tated they would have construction limits� which would mesn they could not
go dig sonewhere else� they could only dig up the amount of land necessary to excavste
each building.
Mr. Johnson stated that planned to leave 43p oP the area in its natural form.
Ms. Schnabel asked iY they intended to put in a swi�ing pool.
Mr. Farr stated that had been dropped £rom the original plan.
Ms. Schnabel asked if a pool were included� who would be using it.
Mr. Farr stated it would be for the North Innsbruck Townhouse Association people.
Ms. Schnabel mentioned tUat Mr. Johnson� in his presentation, had mentioned a B unit,
a C unit and an E unit. She asked if there was a D unit� which she had noticed on the
plan.
Mr. Johasan etated the D unit wnuld be the same as the C unit.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINC,� JANUARY 10� 1979 -' PACE 6 3 E
Ms. Schnabel read the letter from the North Innsbruck Townhouse Asaociation which
was addressed to the Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. The letter was ae
folloNS: Dear Mr. Farr� The members of the Znnsbruck North Townhouse Association
Board of Directors has informally considered your revislon preeented Januaxy 3� 1979
of the replatting of the 5th Addition. The plan for 13 townhouse structures with 6
units per structure is in general acceptable. A final decision must be reserved
until speciPications for the revised replat have been obtained and reviewed. A
written agreement between your Corporation and Innsbruck North Townhouse Association
apecifying the actual plans, the amenities� and a meaningful vorking agreement during
the development of the 5th Addition will be necessary for final approval. We appreciate
your willingnesa to accomalate our needs in your revised plan and see no reason why
such an agreement should not be obtainable by mid-February. Sincerely, Elaine Hu�el�
Vice President� Inn�bruck North Townhouse Association. A carbon copy to Richard Petersoa,
and the City of Fridley.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the letter from the Innsbruck
North iownhouse Association be received into the record.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� ACTING CHAIRMAN PETERSON DECLARED TI� MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Stephen Tollison� 5538 hieister Road, came forward and stated he was a member of the
Board of Directors of the Innsbruck North Townhouse Association. Mr. Tollison stated
that a monthJ�y newsletter was printed by the Association. A newsletter was distributed
last Saturday to 160 members oY the Association. In that newsletter they mentioned the
proposed replat of Plat 5. At that time there was still a question as to whether there
would be condominiums or townhouses. In the newsletter� they asked the members to call
a member of the Board of Directors iP they had any co�ents. N1r. Tollison alone received
22 phone calls irom members of the Association who were willin� to come to this meeting
of the Planning Commission. After the newsletter was issued� the decision to go with
townhouses and a general agreement regarding structure and design had been reached. The
other things the members were concerned about were•i:he tennis courts and pool. The
pool was included in the plans presented to the Board of Diregtors. The people were also
concerned about the green areas and the trees and had the same comments Ms. Schnabel hsd
voiced at this meeting. The residents were concerned about the numbers of trees lost in
the Villages. Mr. Tollison stated that as far as recreational facilities were concerned�
they had only 1 pool and 1 tennis court. With the addition of over l00 fami.lies� there
must be provisions for more tennis courts. The existing tennis court has not even been
finished yet. When Plat 4 was platted, there xere to be three tennis courts Por the
Association people to use. At this time there c,ras only one court, which was unfinished�
and the other tvo have not been started. There has to be a provision for a specific
locstion for.the other two courts. As it stated in the letter, everything must have a
timetable and be written explicitly. Regarding the green areas�.they would like to knocr
exactly which trees will be saved and which will be 1'ost. They have to re]y an the City
in this. They are happier with this proposal than they were with the origlnal proposal.
Mr. Tollison stated that when construction is c�pleted and Mr. Farr would be gone, the
Aasociation would be left and they were concerned that things should be done proper�y
so '�hey would not be left with problems.
Mr. Peterson stated that it should be noted that the Farr Corporation had grior plans
and it was Mr. Farr�s property which he had the right to develop. If they had gone
with apartments rather tk�an Villages there would hsve been no trees.
PLAffilING COMMZSSION bIEETING� JANUARY 10� 1979 ' PAGE 7 3 F
Mr. James Pries, 55�+5 E. Bavarian Pass came iorward and stated he was alao a member
of the Board. Mr. Priee stated he agreed crith Mr•. Tollison's statements and also
with the letter Prom the Association. Mr.`Pries stated that bePore they reach an
agreement� they would like more time to review the proposal and Would like the
specifications in writing. I+I�. Pries stated that they view the Associstion as a
buslneas, and that when the developer leaves� everything is their responsibility.
Mr. Pries asked the Coum�issioners Yor their support in reaching an agreement with
the Darrel A. Farr Corporation.
Ms. Schnabel asked when this item �ould go to Council if it was approved by the Planning
Co�iasion at this meetin�. .
Mr, Boardman stated it would go to Council on January 22nd.. At that meeting, Council
would set a date for the public hearing, February 12th, and would be acted on by the
Council on Februsry 26th. After that there would be the first and second reading of the
plats� so the project wouldn't be approved until the end of March.
Mr. Peterson noted that there would be another meeting of the Planning Commission in
two weeks and if the Planning Commission waited until that meeting to aet on this� it
would �ive the Corporation and the Association two weeks to reach an agreement without
upsetting the timetable too much.
Mr, Boardman stated it would set the City Council public hea.ring back until March.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Farr what his starting date was.
Mr. Fsrr stated that wben they met with the Board of Directors of the Association, they
suggested to the Board� after conversations with the City StaYf� that Council would
act on this 30 days after the Planning Co�ission meeting. They suggested to the Board
that the considerations to be worked out could be wox�ked out durin� the 30 dqy period
between the Planning Co�ission meeting and the City �ouncil meeting. Nlr. Farr suggested
that tbe Planning Commission give their a�proval with the stipulation that the Townhouse
Association and the Darrel A. Farr Corporation reach an agreement prior to the City
Council meeting. Mr. Farr stated he felt some oP the problems could be resolved right
now� like the tennis courts� and others would have to be discussed a� negotiated.
Mr. Peterson stated, as Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Commission, he was concerned
about the tennis courts. IP they took the er,crowed money from the Darrel A. Farr Corp-
oration and put two tennis courts on Moore Lake� people would be very upset. Mr.
Peterson stated the City was also to blame Yor the situation� that money was escrowed
for tennis courts with no place to put them.
Dir. Farr stated they had agreed to provide three tennis courts. The first tennis court
rras in the existin� bome of the Association area. The agreement was that this court be
constructed after they had constructed 20 homes in the 4th Addition. That had been done.
The development agreement for the Inrzsbruck Villages provided that they would pay for
two tennis courts at a location to be determined by the City of Fridley. That wes to
be done after they had sold 40 Village units. They heve been ready to build the tennis
enurts since 1977. When the City tells them where they want them� they will build them.
Mr, Peterson reiterated that the City rras as much.to blame as the Darrel A. Farr
Corporation.
Mr. Tollison reiterated that with more people coming in� the present residents would
be upset unless provisions were made for additional recreational facilities in the
form of a pool or tennis courts.
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Mr. Toliison alao s�ated they were elso concerned about a beginning and an ending
date. Tir�e frames were very i�aportant.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he was sorry to be late and asked iY the question of drainage
hsd been discusaed.
Mr. Peterson stated that drainage had been discussed. The Rice Creek Watershed people
had not yet given their approval� but no problems were attticipated. There would be
adequate ponding areas and retention basins.
Ma. Schnabel asked what the width of the streets going through the development would
be.
Mr. Farr stated the streets would be 30 feet xide and there would be no parking on the
streets. There would be three off-street parking spaces per unit.
Ms. Schnabel ssked 1Y these spaces would be the actual entrances to the garages.
l�5r. Johnson stated that was correct.
Mr. Storla aeked what the interior dimensions would be for the smallest unit.
Mr. Johuson stated that the interior living space in the smallest unit would be 850 square
feet including the loft� which is the bedroom.
Mr. Boarclman stated that met the cale. .
MQTION by D1x'. Langenfeld� seconded by Ms. Schnabel to close the public hearing.
UPOiJ A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� ACIL�IG CHAIRD'fAN PETEftSON DECLARED TSE PtTBL2C HEARTNG
CIASED AT 9:16 P.M.
NATION by Mr. Oquist� to recommend to Council approval of th� consideration of a pro-
posed preliminary plat, P.S. �'j8-07, Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 5� and a Townhouse
development� T-1�8-01� Fountain Oaks, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation: Being
a replat of Outlot H, Innsbruck North� except that part already platted as Innsbruck
North� Second and Third Additions� general]y located North of I.694, between Meister
Road and the Corporate Limits oY the City of Fridley� with the stipulation tl�at a
memorandum oY agreement be.reached bet;reen the Darrel A. Farr Developrr�ent Corporation
and the Innsbruck North Townhouse Association, prior to action by the City Council.
Mr. Storla stated he would like a better understanding of what the agreement would
encompass. .
Mr. Peterson stated the request was that there be an agreement between the Townhouse
Association a� the Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation� and the Planning Commisaions
approval Wovld be based on them xeaching an agreement.
Mr, pquist pointed out that if their concerns were not covered� there would not be aqy
agreement.
Ms. Schnabel stated she would like the motion to state that if an agreemeat was not
reached� the Planning Co�ission would not give their approval.:
PLANNING COMMISSION Mf�`PING JANUARY 10, 1979 - -— PAGE 9 j�
Motion died Por lack of a second.
N�TION by t+Je. Schnabel, seconded by tQr. Oquist� to recommend to Council approval oP
Conaideration of o proposed preliminary plet, P.5. �'78-07� Innebruck North Townhouse
Plat 5� and a townhouse development� T-�78-01, Fountain Oaks� by Darrel A. Farr Develop-
ment Corporation: Being a replat of Outlot H� Innsbruck North, except that part already
platted as Innsbruck North Townhouse Plat 4� and parts of Innsbruck North Second and
Third Additions� generally located north oY I.69k� between Meister Road and the Corporate
Limits of the City Of Fridley� with the sti ulntion th�t a memorandwn of agreement be
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Mr, I,angenfeld stated he was concerned about the environmental aspects of the development
and would assume that the Association would take all those items into consideration. Mr.
I.ar�enPeld stated he wished they had the Interium Agreement type of ordinance. Mr.
Langenfeld steted that they had made a tour of the area and had found drainage problems
in other areas. The Interium Ordinance being considered by the City Council would insure
that before aqy development takes place� proper measures would be taken to insure that
there not be any environmental impact to the area.
Mr. Peterson stated that the fact that they had msde the stipulation that the Rice
Creek Watershed people give their approval of the development would make him Yeel very
comPortable. They have the e�ertise and engineering background an3 if they agree that
there vould be no adverse effect to the environment, he would feel comfortable.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VdPIATG AYE� ACTING CHAIRMAN PET&RSON DECLARID THE MOTTON CARR�D
UNA1v'IMOUSLY .
Mr. Peterson stated that a timetable was set� the members of the Association Board had
heard the motion with the stipulations, had seen the concern oY the Co�issioners and
the Developer� and hoped that throu�h the Staff and their negotiations everything would
be agreed upon and if not� Ms. Schnabel's motion was that it be brougHt back to the
Planning Co�nission.
Mr. Tollison thanked the Commissioners.
1�. Peterson turne8 the cha3rman over to Vice Chairman Langenfeld.
4. VACATION REQUEST SAV �78-05, VIKING ENGINEERIP?G AND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY: Vacate
the easement for drainage and utilities that wss retained when Gumwood Streeti was
vacated (SAV �78-12� Houser)� except that part r�ctually needed by the utility
comnanies� described as follows: The easement lying between Block 5 and Block 6�
Onaway Addition, and bounded on the North by the Wester�y extension of the North
line of Block 6, Onaway Addition� and bounded on the South by the Westerly extension
of the South line of Lot 11, Block 6� Onaway Addition: to sllow the enclosure of a
storage dock at 7740 Beech Street N.E.
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Mr. Boardman stated that page 23 of the agenda books indicated that Gumwood Street
vas already vacsted� however-when that street was vscated� the utilities were not
vacated. Therefore� they still have 50 feet of easement for utility easemeat. The
condition they sre lookir� at tben at the address 77�+0 i3eech 5treet was that they
have a loading olatform at the back of their building that was on that portion oP
vacated street easement under which there was also a utility easement. At this point
in time� they had contscted the utility companies to find out if they need that 50
Poot easement. They said they didn't need that 50 foot easement� but in the letter
they got baok� the utility company did not indicate what easement they do need. They
hsd sent out a second letter, but had only gotten one response back and that was from
NSP. They attempted to call them t alay, but did not get a hold of them to get that
elariYied as to the amount oP easement tbey do need. MinniGasCo said they had no
utilities in that aJ.leyway so had no reason �Co hold any easement. NSP does have a
poxerline there. In the letter the City received from them� they want to hold the
easterl,y 10 foot of the westerly 27 foot of that vacated street and as far as the
telephone compa�y� they have not hee.rd from them. From the initial letters� it did
not look like there would be ar�y problems with aqy oY the utility companies regarding
this. Mr. Boardman recommended that the Flanning Comraission reco�end approval con-
tingent upon whatever response they get from the other utilities to hold whatever
easement they need to hoZd. They can �Shen begin processing this and by the time it
gets to Council� they would have all of the easements.
Nm. Peterson asked� regarding the letter from NSP dated December 1� ig78, if the 14
foot hight requirement was valid, or if it could go higher.
Mr. Boardman stated Viking Engineering wanted to cover their loading dock and gave the
Co�issioners a copy of a letter from NSP. . �
Mr. Peterson read the letter as follows: When the City of Fridley vacates the 50 foot
street easement i'or Gumwood Street� NSP would like to have a 10 foot easement maintained
for their existing overbead line. We intend to nove the southerly pole approximate�y
23 feet west by the end of February� 1979, to line up with the other poles. We would
then ask that the east 10 feet of the wester�y 27•£eet of the vacated Gumwood Street
easement be maintained for that line. I hope this will meet,with approval by all con-
cerned. Sincerely, Hsrlan Benson� Customer Service Representative.
NRYrION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Schnabel� that the letter £rom NSP be received
into the record.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI+L VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRMAN I�ANGENFEI,D DECLARED THE hidTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel asked� regarding the east 10 feet of the west 27 feet, if that means they
would encroach on that easement 2 Yeet into the easter�j* half.
Mr. Boardman steted that was correct, they would have 2 feet oY easement on their prw
perty.
,ys. Schnabel sta�ed that tlxen ar�y addition th°y make can only come within 2 feet oY the
peoperty line on the west side.
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Mr. Earl Johnson, General Msneger oY Viking Engineering Development Corporation came �'
forward and atated thet Gumwood wae a 50 foot street that wae vacated. At that time� i
Peske was the builder at that time and he put in a dock that did use 25 feet. The �
Yirst request they Would make would be for a varianoe for setback. The reason they '
rrsnt to cover the loading dock eas that they have e problem in the winter with snov�
and ice. They mske a heavy piece of equipment and loading 1s almost impossible.
Mr. Boardman indicated to them that the utilitiea hsd not been vacated and much to
their surprise were under the dock area considering the occupancy permit rendered on
their property. However that would be OK. Mr. Johnson stated that the telephone
company had indicsted in their letter that, regarding the cable under the dock� they
would be responsible for any expense involved. Putting a cover on top oP the dock
would not change that at all. The power compa�y was concerned a little about where
the power comes into their building. It comes into the :�rall and they have a metal
building� so they would need a certain aflount of footage between the metal to bave a
ground. The most logical thing would be to extend the mast for the entry. Their
pole would not eYfect them in aqy way, because it was located mid-way on the 25 feet.
The gas company and Cable TV indicsted no concern. hLinnigasCo was concerned about
lot 6 and lbt 7. They own lots 6� 7� 8, and 9. Lots 8 and 9 are the�.r parking area.
Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Johnson iY they Were still planning on building the cover only
14 feet high.
Mr. Johnson stated 14 £eet would be sufficient� because the truck does not come into
that area� they only use the dock to bring the product to the truck.
Mr, Langenfeld asked iP the access wea north and south oP Gumwood.
Mr. Soardmsn stated the access was ofY oP Beech'Street.
MOTI�N by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Mr. Oquist� to reco�end to Council approval of the
Vacation Request, sav {�78-05, Viking Engineering and Development Company: Vacate the
easement for.drainage and utilities that wss retained when Gumwood Street was vacated
(SAV #73-12� Houser)� excapt that part actus].�y needed by the utility companies,
described as follows: The easement lying between Block 5 and Block 6� Onaway Addition�
and bounded on the North by the Westerly extension of the North 2ine of Block 6� Onaway
Addition� and bounded on the South by the Westerly extension oP the South line of Lot 11�
Block 6� Onaway Addition, to allow the enclosure of a storage dock at 77�0 Beech Street 13E.�
with the stipulation that by the time the reauest goes to City Council� all the
necessary documents are received from the utility com�anies indicating the exact location
of the essements needed and al�o the stipulatiu n that approval for the necessary
variances are received from the Appeals Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRhtAN LANGENFELD DECLARID THE MOTION CARRIED
Mr. Johnson thanked t8e Cou�issioners.
Ms. Schnabel stated that the Appeals Commission had tabled this item and it was not
on the agenda Por the next meeting.
Mr, Boardman stated he would see about getting it on the agenda.
PLANNING COMMISSIOIQ MEETIf1G, JANUARY 10, 1979 - PAGE 12
Vice Ct�airman Iangenfeld declared a recess at 9:45 and reconvened the meeting at
10•00 P.M.
5. RECEIVE ENVIROPiMENTAL QUALITY COt�R�IISSION MINUTES: NOVEIdBLR 21 i978:
5. A, Purchase oF Tape Recorder for Commission Use: pages ]A and 1"1)
MOTION by t�'s. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to receive the November 21� 1978,
n� vironmental Quality Co�ission minutea.
Ma. Schnabel asked what the term "atrau group" meant on page 6 of the minutes.
Mr. Langen4e2d stated that was a slsng expression meaning one with superior knowledge
and quslities to make proper decisions.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if Mr. Boardman was ar+are if the City Council had directed the
city attorney to take legal means to prevent any status chsnge of the airport as
requested on page 4 of the minutes.
Ns. Board�n stated he did not lmow.
Mr. Langen4eld stated thst the second paragraph on page 7 and the second para�raph on
page 8 were the key paragraphs regarding the discussion on the airport.
Mr. Boardman asked what was meant by the statement "The Environmental Impact Statement
rras ttired by MAC as snother atep taWard that implementation."
Mr. Peterson stated he understood that to mean that the MAC had hired a firm to make an
environmental impact statement.
Mr. Boardman asked iY they weren't required by the Federal Government to do that.
Ms. Schnabel stated they were if they were going to change the airport from a minor to
an intermediate. So that"statement means they are p3.anning to do that or else they
would not Lave hired someone to do an environmental impact statement.
Mr. Boardman asked if their intent all along was to make it an intermediate sirport.
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Mr, Lflngenfeld stated the MnUOT''g:lan had been compiled,and was vague. They seem to be doing
things in stages, such as putting in more lighting� more controlls in the tower� etc.
and this is what the Co�ission was concerned about. They wouid like to see the .faster
Plan.
Mr. Langenfeld asked Mr. Boardman� regarding several motions in the minutes that the
Chairman write letters to various people� if that was within the scope of the Chair-
person to do that.
Nk�. Boarctman stated that a�y letter which states an opinion or takes a stand should
have approval of the City Council. Letters seeking adviee or information would be
no problem.
Mr, Iangenfeld asked� regarding the motion on page 9� if the Council had dotte a�y+thing
regarding that motion, and if the motions should be dlrected to the Planning Co�ission
elso.
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PLANNING COPR+ffSSION 1+11EEiING, JANUARY 10 1979 - __ _ PAGE 13 3 L
Mr. Peternon stated he felt that the action in that partioulsr motion would be out
of order, because the direct reporting route would be the sub-cou�ission to the
Planning Coc�uisaion to the City Council, and no comndssion would have the suthority
to go directly to any other governrtiental body stating a position.
Mr, I,angenfeld asked iY axly commission could by-pass the Planning Commission� and wake
a motion direct],y to the City Gouncil.
Mr. Boaxdmsn stated that all of their motions were directed to the City Counc3l� those
motions appear before the Planning Co�mnission because of the review process. If the
Planning Commission feels the mo�ion ef£ects the comprehensive plan or the policies
that had been established, it could act� but would not have to.
Mr. Peterson stated that he would consider the motion on page 8 regarding the M.P.C.A
to be out oY o�der because there the Co�iseion was taking direct action without
approval of the City Council. �
Mr. LangenYeld stated he c,ras �lad he brought the iasue up and had it cleared up.
Mr. Boardman stated the motion on page 5 regarding New Brighton would also be considered
out of order.
Mr, I�ngenfeld stated the second paragraph on psge 10 was of interest and the Commissioners
should read it.
Mr. LangenYeld asked if the City had done anything regarding recreational vebicles as
die,cussed on page 12.
Mr. Peterson stated that Bob Shore had purchased that property and the City �ad an
agreement with them similiar to the one they had last year with Sears� allowing them
to use the property for recreational vehicles� until he develones it.
Mr. I,angenYeld stated that the word organization on page 13� tbe first paragraph� the
first sentence should be changed to read "collection - re-cycling center .
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRMAN LANGENFELD DECLARED TFE i�TION CARR7�D
UNANIMOUSLY.
5� �p� ormeRneF n� TAPF. RFC!QRT]FR FOR COMhIISSION USE: PAGES 10 and 11:
�, Langenfeld stated the Environmenal Quality Co�ission would like to purchase a
tape recorder in order to tape such things as the City Council meeting over the MnDOT
P1an� etc. The Commission thought other coumiissions might be interested in sharing it.
Ms. Schnabel stated that the Appeals Cou�ission would not be interested.
I�. Storla stated his Couunission had not discussed e need for one recently, but felt
it xas a reasonable request, to have a tape recorder available to the Commissions.
tfic, Langenfeld asked if they would be allowed to purchase one with their budget money.
MP, Boardmaa stated they were allowed� but it would have to be approved by the City
Council.
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PLANN2NG CON4ffSSLON MEETING, JANUARY 10, 1979 PAGE 14 �(�
Mr. Peterson stctted the Parks and Recreation Co�mnisaion had not diacussed this� but
personally felt that Coc�issiona would be getting far afield by taping all kinds oP
public meetings becsuse in the Yirst place it would be setting e precedent and in the
second place� he could not see where the information Would be used, because who was
going to set and Zisten to a foun c�ur tape. All public meetings were supposed to
have minutes and they could request the minutes. The oYPicial testimony of e public
meeting would be the minutes� not a tape of the meeting.
6. RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION CO2�iffSSI0P7 MIN(TPES: NO�IEMBER 27� 1978:
N%Yr20N by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Schnabel to receive the November 27� 1978�
minutes of the Parks and Recreation Co�ission.
Mr. Peterson stated the Parks and Recreatio n Commissi:on had voted to go to six meetings
a year with the option to schedule special meetings, The meetings l�d been scheduled
to occur just before a new activity or season begins.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AIS. VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRMAN LANGENF"ELD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIID
UIdANIM0U5LY.
7. RECEIVE APPEALS COP�ffSSION MIN(II'ES: DFCEMBER 12, 1978:
M(7SION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Peterson to receive the December 12� 1978�
minutes of the Appeals Coffinission.
Ms. Schnabel noted that the bottom of page 5 and the top oY page 6 covers a discussion
of a letter from Virgil Herrick. This item was discussed in depth at the next meeting,
December 26� 1978. Ms. Schnabel also stated they would be discussing the zoning
ordinance changes at the Januery 16, 197� meeting oP the Appeals Commission.
UPON A VOTCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRMAN LANGENFELD DECLARED THE h:OTION CARRIID
UNANIMOUSLY.
8. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COh�+ffSSION MINU'IES: DECENL9ER 19� 1978:
MOTION by M�. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Peterson to receive the December 19� 1978,
minutes of the Environmental Quality Co�ission.
htr. Iangenfeld stated he was not able to attend that meeting.
Mr. Peterson asked who Mr. Perez was.
Mr. LangenYeld stated Mr. Perez was a menber of the New Bri�hton Environmental Co�ission�
and also on the M. P. C. A.
Mr. Peterson stated he was concerned with Mr. Perez's statement on the bottom of the
first pnge� and was concerned because the Comnission dces not i�ave the authority to
do that.
Mr. Lsngenfeld noted that the Cowmission had discussed having the words "Draft Subject
to Final Approval" on the first page of the minutas.
PLAAT2�IING COMf+LCSSION MEF.TING, JANUARY 10, 1979 - PAGE 15 3 r�
Mr. Boardman ctated that the minutes oP a meeting are oYficial minutes� and are
subject to change� but the changes are oPficial also� therefore they could not
do that.
Ms. Schnabel stated she felt that SP correctiona bring about substantive changea of
the proceeding of the meetings� they ehould not be allowed.
b1r. Bottrdman stated tnere could be problems in what was heard by the public and what
was in the minutes� and those type of cHanges could change the content.
Mr. I,angenfeld brought the attent�on of the Co�i.ssioners to the motion on page 6�
where they k�ave him writing more letters.
Mr. Boardman stated that as Chairperson� Mr. Langenfeld had the authority to say no
to these motions.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CHATRMAN LANGENFELD DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIID
UNANIhfOUSLY.
9, REG'EIVE APPEALS COMMISSIOII MINU'ES: DECEL��i 26� 1978:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Peterson� to receive the December 26� 1978,
minutes of the Appeals Co�ission.
Ms. Schnabel stated that pages 5� 6 and 7 of the minutes covered a discussion regarding
a memo received from CounciL Tbis memo was a research dating back to the 1960� covering
all actions taken regarding lots less than 50 feet. There was a request to put a new
structure on a 40 Yoot lot. Included with that memo was a copy of a letter from the
city attorney to a a�ember of Staff regarding that request. The Appeals Commission ielt
that there were two conflicting point that had been made at the time the Co�ission heard
the request. A motion was made telling Council that Appeals would be willing to re-
consider this request if the Council wanted them to� and if they didn't want them to�
Council could �o ahead and handle it� when the g0 days were up. Ms. °chnabel stated
she had noted at the January Sth City Council meeting� the Council had requested the
item be returned to the Board of Appeals for action. It did come to li;ht� that the
Appeals Co�ission felt it was given erroneous information. Ms. Schnabel felt this
would cause a very difPicult situation with regards to the people in that neighborhood.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRMAId LANGENFELD D�'CLliRED THE MOTION CARRIID
UfdANIMUUSLY.
10. RECEIVE ENERGY PROJECT COMN'ITTEE MIN[1PES; DECEMBER 13� 1978:
MOTION by Mr. Storla� secor�ded Uy Ms. Sc7�nabel� to receive the December 13� 1978,
minutes of the Ener�r Project Comm3.ttee.
Mr. Peterson noted that Mr..Lengenfeld hiad been elected chairman of the Co�ittee.
Mr. Iax�enfeld stated he appointed a vice chairman� and on the ].ast page of the minutes�
they invited Mr, Harris to stay on the Commi.ssion.
Mr. Langenfeld stated the minutes contained a lot of vital inPoxviation and mentioned
tk�at� as discussed on page k� they would like to obtain some pamphlets� in particuler�
"Key to Comfort".
Mr. Soardmen ststed he would look into getting them.
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PLAbiNING COMMISSION MEEfiInTG� JANUARY 10, 1979 PnGE 16 3 O
Mr. Lsnge�feld brot�ght to MT.•. Bosrdman's attention the motion on the bottom oY page
7 requesting staff to compile information regarding the increase in demand of
Coffinercial And Industrial Ssles between the years 197b a� i977.
Mr. Peterson noted that a lot of new construction had taken place during that geriod.
Mr. Langenfeld mentioned the Pact that this Commmittee would terminate in June.
UPON A VOIC� VO'P�� ALL VOTING AYE� VTCE CHAIRMAN LAIVCEPtF'ELD DECLARED THE NOTION CqRRIED
UIiANIMOUSLY.
11. CCNTINUED: MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMEN`P:
Ms. Schnsbel stated this item had been tabled and the Co�ission had made the correction
at the beginning of the meeting.
12. CONTINiJID: PROPOSID CHANGES TO CAAPTEft 205. ZONING:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Peterson to continue the proposed changes to
Chapter 205. Zoning.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CHAIRMAIV LANGENFELD DECLARED THE N�OTION CARRIED
UNANIbi0U5LY. .
13. ar� suszr�ss:
Mr. Langen£eld stated he had received a letter from the Charter Co�ission and asked
iY the other Con�issioners had received it.
The other Commissioners stated that had received it.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he did not represent tHas Cowmission and had asked if they would
delay action so that Planning could act and send recommendations to the Cbarter Co�ission.
The Charter Co�i.ssion meets the first Tuesday of the month aad there was no problem
in that respect and asked if the Co�nissioners would like to provide recc�endations to
the Charter Conmmi.ssion regarding these items. Mr. Langenfeld stated he had alreacty
given his comments as a citizen.
Mr. Peterson stated he had also contributed his comments and recommendations both as
e citizen and as Chair�n of the Parks and Recreation Co�ission. He did not speak
Por the Co�i.ssion but only for himselY as Chairman.
Ms. Schnabel stated she had also contributed her recoffinendations.
Mr. Storla stated he had not received it until yesterday and was too late to send a
letter� but would let them know.
Mr. Langenfeld stated the Charter Cocuciss�.on had two openin�;s.
Mr. IIoaxdman stated that the City Council had hired a consultant for the Downtown
Revitilization. They did hire Professional Planning and Development. They have
signed the contracts� and they would begin work on Jnnurary 15� 1;?7Q.
PI.ANNITIr, COi•iMT�;SIOTd MLTTTNG, TnrrunPY io, 197� • PAG� 17
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ida, $chnaUel A�ked if the City Council had tal;en rany action reQurdin6 the Plannin�
Co�iccion's recommendc�tions eoncerning the financi.al aUligations of the businesc
cou�unity.
Mr. Boardman ctated he.wAU not sure� but they had hired the consuJ.tant.
Mr. Peterson stated that on Thursday� January�25th� the Citizens Crime Prevention
Corrm�ittee would be meetin�� and anyone who would like to attend was welcome.
MOTION by D7s. Schnabel, ceconded by Mr. Peterson, to adjourn the Janw�ry 10� 1979,
meeting of the Planning Commission.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE CIIAII',MAN LANG�NF�LD DECLAFtED THE 2�ETIriG
ADJOURNED Al 11:05 P.M. _
Respectftl7y Submitted:
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};at. S,��ltcn
Recording Secretary
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