PL 06/20/1979 - 6656PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CITY OF FRIDLEY
AGENDA
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 20, 1979 7:30 P.M
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CALL TO ORDER:
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APPROVE JUNE 6, 1979, PLANNING COMM:SSION MINUTES 1- 21
1. RECEIVE JUNE 7 1979 HUMAN RESOURCE COMMISSION MINUTES SALMON
2. PROPOSAL FOR A"CENTRAL CENTER FOR FAMILY RESOURCES" (See Human Resource
Commission minutes plus attached information
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CONTINUED: COMPREHENSIUE DEVELOPMENT PLAN
CONTINUED: PROPOSED CNAN6ES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING
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PLANPIING CO SSION MEE'iZNG - JUNE 6s 1979
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Chairman Harris called the June 6� 7.979� �eting of the Planning C�ission to
order at 7:3� P.M.
ROLL CALI,•
Members Present: Ms. Hughea� I+h�. Oquist� Mr. Harris� Ms. Sclmabel� Mr. Treuenfels
Membere Absent: Mr. LanBenfeld (arrived at 7:35 P•M•�
Othere Present: Mike Franzen� Planning Staff
1. APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUPES: MAY 23� 1979�
MOTION by Mr. Oqnist� seconded by Mr. Tx'euenfels� to approve the May 23� 1979a
minutes of the Planning Coum�iseion.
Ms. Hughes stated that on page 3 of the minutes she had stated there were �18
signatures on the petition. She later discovered there were a iew more so that
figure was not accurate.
Ms. 5chnabel stated that on page k of the minutes� the 4th paragraph� 2nd sentence
from the end should be changed to read: "attempt to make a right hand turn off
Fttghway 65 to go there. Also� the next to the last paragraph on that page was in
error. The people who wrote the letter were in favor of the oP£ice rather than
the apartment.
Ma, Hughes atated that on page 8 of the minutes, "eye-beam" should be "I-beam".
UPON A VOICE VO'PE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HAFtRIS DECLARED THE MIN[TPES APPROVID
AS CORRECTED.
2.
N%YfION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Treuenfels� to open the public hearing.
�ON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� C}iAIRMAN HARRI3 DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING
OPEN AT 7�35 P•M•
Mr, Franzen etated that the applicant requested a Special Use Permit tQ construct
a second accessory building. The first accessory building is located in the front
part of the property. One stipulation Kould be that the second accessory building
not be ia s utility easement. At the present time� the second acceasory building is
not xithia this ease�nt. 2'he easement is show�a on page 29 of the agenda. The
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proposed acceseory building would be 16 x 22 which ie approximately 352 square
Peet. The proposgd use is storage and at this time there are no plans for an
aCCeas� hocrever� there ie adequate room available Yor a driveway, StaPf wovld
have no ob;jection to thia request as long as the building ia used for storage
and not a home occupation or 1iv3ng quarters.
Mr. Oquist stated that Mr. Franzen had indicated that the second accessory building
would not fa11 within the utillty easement but noted that it vras close to it.
Mr. Franzen gave the Cou�issioners s more detailed plan oP the proposed construction.
Ms. Hughes asked what the £irst accessory building wasY
Mr. Franzen stated the first accessory building was the existing two-car garage.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr, Franzen if the purpose oP the second acceasory building
was for storage only7
Mx. Franzen stated that was correct and Staff had no objection as long as it was
used for any use other than a home occupation.
Mr. Robert Carlson� 151 62nd Way NE� came forward and stated thst it would be a
detached garage.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Carlson why he needed a storage building of this sizeY
Mr. Carlson stated that his existing garage is 19 x 22 and he has two cars. It
is diP£icult to get in and out oP the cars because of the bicycles, garden tools�
toy.s� etc. Because of this congestion� he would like a building for storage.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Carlson if he had ac�y plans, now or in the future� to use
the proposed build3ng as a garage and convert the.existit� garage into living spaCeY
Mr. Carlson stated he had no plans to do that and also that he was not planning
to put in a driveway.
Ms. Scl�nabel asked Mr. Carlson if he would be doing the construction himselfY
Mr. Carlson stated he planned to do the Cement work and vrould have a carpenter to
help with the other work.
Ms. Hughes asked if it would be garage construction with an overhead door?
Mr. Carlson atated that he intended to put an overhead door on ti�e west side and
it would be regul.ar garage construction with trusses for the roof. �
�. Flarris asked if he was going to put the overhead door on the srest sideY
Mr. Carlson stated that was correct.
Mr. Barris asked 1Y �that vrouldn't be tight to get in and out iY he decided to use
it ae a garageY
Mr. Carlson stated he had no intentioa to use it ae s garage..
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Mr. Carlson also atated that there ie 19 feet there:
Mr. Harris atated they usua].�y Yigure that it takes ebout 20 feet for an auto-
mobile.
Mr. Carlson reiterated that he did not intend to use it for atoring s car.
Mr, Harris asked Mr. Carlson iY he wovld object moving it slight�Y to the east and
asked how Yar he would be willing to goY
Nk�. Carlson stated he could go east another foot. He added that he had decided
on the placement of the garage because of the windo�r placement in his house.
Mr. Aarris asked how high the structure would be?
Mr. Carlson stated there would be regular 16 foot�trusses. It would be built on a
cement base which would be about 2 inches ofP ground level. There will be 8 foot
2zcks running from the cement up� so the building would be about 8 Pt. 2 in. from
ground level to the eaves.
Mr. Iiarris asked Mr. Carlson ii he l�ad talked to axyy of his neighbora?
Mr. Carlson stated he had talked to all oY them and they had no comment. Ae stated
that he had heard that someone had second thoughts but he apparentl.y decided to
go along with it. He stated that the proposed building vrould have the same siding
as his house and he would construct it in such a way that it wQUld add to the looks
of the property.
Nir. Harris stated that ha was concerned about moving the garage to the east because
if it was ever used to store an automobile� it would be much easier to get in and
out without encroaching on his neighbor's property. They figure that an automobile
paxking p].ace ia 10 x 20. •
1�. Carlson stated he would be willing to move it a foot. ,
Mr. Harris stated that 2 Peet would be better.
Mrs. Carlson stated that there is a 6 foot hedge along'the neighbor's property
that would make it iuipossitile for them to go over on their property. •
Mr. Iiarris stated that at some point they might want to use the building for a
garage and being that close to the hedge would make it difficult to get in and out.
Mr. Oquist asked if he decided on a 16 x 22 foot 6uilding hecause he planned to
use it for a garage in the futvreY He stated tk�at most storage buildinga are
Sx8or8x12.
Mr. Carlson atated that the people he had.talked to about it suggested he figure
vhat he needs and then add a little.
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Mr. Oquiat asked how far the proposed building would be from the existing house4
Mr. Carlson stated it would be 25 feet.
Mr, Harris stated the plan indicated about 28 feet and noted that it was a good
size lot.
Mr. Carlson stated that another reason wY�y he placed it where he did was because
of existing trees. Fie did not want to have to remove a�y trees. He added that
moving it east 2 feet would not hurt it at all.
Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Aarris iP he was sure the buildittg should be movedY
Mr. Harris stated that because of the 6 foot hedge� movi� it over 2 feet would
give him more room.
Ma. Hughes asked iP that would be s stipulationY
Mr. Harris stated it wou].d.
Ms. Schnabel stated th�t the 20 feet was based on an existing ordinance which was
written when the average car was bigger than what they are now.
Mr. Harris stated it was still ti�ht even £or a small car. He stated it wauld be
a one car �arage and would be tight. Also� the other house at 6211 Riverview
Terrace sits rather close and there wasn't much back yar@ there.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if the northen part of the building would go up to t}�e lot
line?
N�.. Harris stated it would not. As indicated on the drawin�� it was a good size
lot.
There were no pther comments from the audience.
MOTION by Ms. 3chnabel� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to close the public hearin�.
UPC1N A VOIG`E VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRI3 DECLARED Ti� PUBLIC SEARING
CIASED AT 7:58 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Treuenfels� to recommend to Council
approval of the request Yor Spe'cial Use Permit, SP �'j9-06, by Robert J. Carlson:
Per Section 205.051� 2, A, of the Fxidley City Code� to allow the construction of
a second aceessory butlding� a 16 foot by 22 foot detached garage on Lot 4� Block
2 Juli-Ann Addition� the same being 151-62nd Way NE� with the following stipulatim s:
1� in accordance with the survey it be not less than 20 feet rather than 19 feet,
2) it be compatible with the existing nei�hborhoal and his home, 3) no home occupation
be allawed.
Ms. Hughes noted that the notification that was sent to the neighbors indicated
this was to be a detached garage� however the comments in the d3scussion were in
terms of other things, and iY we pass this motion it wili be possible for him
to use it as a garage in the future. 3he asked iY the notice that this was a
detached garage adequate for the neighbors to understand that they could be looking
at s detached garage?
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Mr. Harris stated that'� what 1•t is and that's what it was called in the notice.
Ma. Hughes stated that the fact that the neighbors were not here indicated to her
they had no problem with it.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALi. VOTING AYE� CIiNIRMAN IiARItIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIID
UNANIMOUSLY: .
Mr. Harria informed the petitioner that this would go to Council on 3une 18� 1979.
I�. Harris etated that he understood he was a second class citizen� but when some-
thing comes up within 300 feet o£ his property� he would like to be notified. Mr.
Harris atated that he lives at 6200 Riverview Terrace. His father was notified but
he was not.
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Mr. Franzen stated they were looking at one o£ four alternatives as expZained in
Memo #79-2�+� dated June 6� i979, from JerroZd Boardman to the Planning Cor•,mission.
This memo stated the City's policy on vacation requests. They were looking at
trying to turn over the property to individual ownership and retaining the alley
as a utility easement. The Commissioners were given a letter dated June 1� 1979,
from Warren E?. Joh�ason of NSP regarding this easement.
MOTION 6y Mr, Langenield� seconded by Ms. Hughes� to receive the memo� �j9-24�,
£rom Mr. Boardman to the Planning Commission� and to receive the letter from
NSP regarding the easement.
Mr. Aarris stated tt�at another alternative would be to improve the aLey and
maintain it.
Ms. Schnabel noted that the memo indicated there were three options and listed
four� so it wouldntt matter iY they added another option.
UPON A v02CE VOTE� ALL VO`PIPIG AYE� CHAIRMAN HAI2RIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNAPTIMOUSLY.
Mr. Oquist stated that the map in the agenda indicated that the area thst was
darkened was to be vacated, He'asked what would happen in between?
Mr. Franzen stated that was the property of NSP. He stated there were apartment
structurea on the north and south ends o£ the alley and that easement was used
Por getting into the parking areas� and does not go throug� the entire block.
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Nh�. Iiarris stated that they then had two dead-end alleya in the same block.
Mr. Franzen stated that the center part oP the alley had already been vacated.
Mr. Harris noted that the notffication stated it was the lots not vacated by
Ordinance #533• �ey were talking about Lots 1-6� Lots 25 - 30 and between Lots
14� 15a 16 and 17. He asked how those people would get in and out if this was
vacated7 How would they get to the apartment building parking lots?
l�fr. Franzen stated that Mr. Boardman was looking at turning that portion of the
property over to the irniividual owners and it would be maintained by them.
Mr. Harris asked how the people in the apartment at 5940 3rd Street would get from
60th Ave. NE into the parking area?
Mr. Benjamin F. Carman� 5955 � Street NE� stated that 5940 was a private residence.
He also stated that there was an entrance off of 3rd Street for the apartment people
to use to reaeh the parking area.
Ms. Pat Gabel� 5947 22 Street NE� came forward and stated this was not a request
by the people that live there to necessarily vacate this alley. Tt is att alter-
native the City is using rather than doing what they should� which is to clean
ihe area up. There has been a problem there for two years and the City hss not
done their job which is to make them clean it up. There is garbage there� £ences
are knocked down, they dump oil on the fences and shrubs, etc. Aer neightors have
had to repair a very expensive fence on several occasions. In talking to Ed
Fitzpatrick, it was his suggestion that they vacate it and put a barrier 6 feet
out from the fences in order to keep their property in tact. None of them real],y
wanted 6 more feet of property to take care of but it is a matter of protecting
what they have. Qver the years the apartments have become run down and the tenants
are problem type tenants. So this is not realZy their idea but is an alternative,
Ms. Schnabel stated that 5980 was where the apartments are.
Ms. Gabel stated there was a driveway between two oY the apartments coming in. Also�
if they vacate that 22 feet, the apartments wauld lose some parking spaces but they
were not supposed to be parking back there anyway because it is a public easement.
This has not been enforced either.
Mr. Harris stated that 5901 and 5902 wese apartment buildings.
Ms. Gabel sta'ted that was correct and that was all vacated in between eo it had
no bearing on this request.
Mr. Aarris etated it was part of the vacation request.
Ms. Gabel stated that they apparently weren't concerned about it and was not sure
what the City's thinking was there unless they wanted to get the whole thing done
at one t3me. '
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�Ms, Sctwabel siated that the people in the apartment at 5980 were currently
us3.ng that alley as an access and esked if there was another vr�y to get to the1P
parkipg spot?
Mr. Carman stated that when the streeta were baing�curbed and repaved� those people
uaed the centex driveway off 3rd street.
Mr. Harris asked iP they were uaing it now2
N¢�. Carman stated that some of them use it but nat all of them.
Ms, Schnabel stated the alley was 12 feet wide and they would gain 6 feet of the
alley if it were vacated and asked if they thought putting up a barrier would help
the situationY
Ms. Gabel stated they didn't think so� but at least they would then have some
recourae. They were not getting aqywhere now.
Ms. Schnabel asked if they thought there was current legal recourse or if they
thought this would strengthen their position. In other words� did they feel the
City was ta]king them into the vacation or was there a better way to handle it?
Ms. Gabel stated she felt the City should issue a Red Tag and they should have
done it a year ago. She didn't know wi�y� but they seem reluctant to do that.
She stated they were tired of going through this every summer. After the rezoning�
people were fixing things up'and cleaning things up and they were at the point
where there was a war between the people who own residential ho�es and tk�e apartment
owners. At this.point, she Pelt it was incumbent upon the City to do comething and
they.won't.
Mr. Iangenfeld stated that i£ they did vacate it� they would have the legal recourse
of trespassing� but unles& something is doneJ they will always have the prpblem.
Mr. Oquist stated that vacating the alley would not solve the problem. It would
just bring the property line 6 feet closer to the apartment building.
Ms. Gabel stated they planned to put up a p2�YSica1 barrier that would not be as
expensive as their fences.
Mr. Ognist stated that then they would have two fences� one goal one and one to
protect itY •
Ms. Gabel stated that this is what they were resorting to because the City won�t
do a�Yth3ng about it.
Mr. Oquist asked if aqy of the private residences used that a11eyY
Ms. Gabel stated they did not.
Mr. Langenfeld noted that if it stqys the wqy it is now and the problem continues�
the tteighbors wou].d not be allowed to put up a�y barriers.
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Ms. Gabel stated that she lmew that.
Ms. Hughea asked iY there would be a�y sense to improving a port3on of the a].ley
by the apaTtment housea?
Ma. Gabel stated that would make it worse because then the pavement would be right
next to the Yencer.
Mr. Oqta.st stated that they could vacate the alley because it doesn't make any
sense to have a dead alley anyway� but couldn't they also reco�end that Council
instruct City Staf£ to clean it up?
Ms. Gabel stated that Staff had been out there.
Mr. Oquist asked if the apartment owners lived in the apartments?
Ms. Gabel stated they did not. She stated that in the past few yeaxs there has
been a turnover in landlords and a different quality of tenants1 and this is the
problem.
Ms. Schnabel stated that if they gained control of the 6 feet and junk was still
dumped there, they would have the problem of finding out who dumped it there and
it could create more frustrations. If the City were to improve that alley, it
would be the City's responsibility to keep it clean. Granted� it would be close
to the fence and maybe wouldn't solve that problem, but at least it would be
the City�s respcnsibility to maintain it and keep it clear of the jw�1c.
Nts. Gabel stated that she didn't believe the City would have a� more interest in
keeping i� clean iF it were paved than they have now.
Ms. Schnabel stated that at least then it would be the City's responsibility and
aot theirs.
Mr. Harris stated that ii they went to plow it and junk was there� sometfiing wnuld
be done.
Ms. Gabel stated tt�t if the alley were improved, they would have to pay for it
ana aia not feel tlsey should pay for an alley that did not sez-vice them,
Mr. Oquist asked if the City would want to improve a dead-end a11ey?
bh�. Harris stated that he did not think they would want to.
Ms. Gabel stated it would not benefi't them ar�y.
Ms. Hughes stated she could see no sense in improving the whole thittg� onl,y a
portion of it.
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Mr. Carmen stated they were sick and tired of this problem and their laet
alternative was to.vacate thia alley. Fte stated that he has argued with the
caretaker of the apartment and the caretaker wanted to fist Yight him. He
asked if tkie City Council was not eupposed to ask an apartment to dedicate parking
places for their tenants?
Mr. Aarris stated that was correct.
Mr. Carmen stated that was never done. He stated that their rubbish cannisters
sit right next to his fence� and the garbage enda up in his yard. There are
beeT cans� trash� etc, there. His windows get broken and his fence �ets broken.
Iie stated that the police had been there sevexal times and have taken pictures
oY this, i% ielt the only way was to vacate the alley. He stated there was no
owner on the premises and felt it was a hazard to the whole ece�nunity. They find
bugs and maggots from these cannisters in their yard. They were trying to keep a
clean neighborhoal but the apartments do nothing. They would like to see the City
do something. He felt this was their last alternative.
Mr, Langenfeld stated that it was strange to see this special district go in there
and they plsnned to maice it nice� but they allow this kind of thing to go on. Also�
he would be in favor of vacation because they could take the necessary action on
their own property.
Mr. Robext Ecker� 59� Third Street NE� came ibrward and stated that 3f they vacate
the alley� the kids will stop going through there and throwing �unk around.
Ms. Gabel stated she had a letter from Nh�s. Robert Williams� 59�+5 2z Street N.E.
Mrs. Williams was unable to attend.
Mr. Harris stated that the note stated they were in favor of tbe request to vacate
the alley.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the letter frarn
Mr..and Mrs. Williams.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALI. VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARftIS DECLARED TI� MOTIQ`I CARRIED
Mr. Iiarris stated he understood the situation but was not sure vacating the alley
would help.
Mr. Oquist stated tk�at vacating the alley just brings the property line closer to
the apartment.
Mr. Iiarris asked how they get to the trash containersY
Ms. Gabel stated they come in from 3rd arni go around.
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Mr. Harris stated that the trash containers were not supposed to be by Mr.
Carmen's fence.
Mr. Carmen stated that he had called the trash coJ.I.ector snd they said they wouZd
go along with a�yythi.ng Council wanted them to do. They would prefer to pick them
up of£ solid ground aqyway.
Mr. Harris noted the trash cqntainers were sitting in the public ri�ht of way.
Mr. Carmen stated that the caretaker in the second apartment put them there and
when Mr. Carmen tried to move them away Yrom the fence the caretaker came out and
wanted to beat him up. Mr. Carmen stated he was 69 years old.
Ms. Schnabe2 asked if the trash collectar entered on 3rd and exited on 60th?
Mr. Carmen stated that was correct. Tie stated there was enough room for them to
turn around and exit on 3rd.
Mr. Oquist stated that if it was vacated� there would be a curb and they couldn't
exit to 60th.
Mr. Carmen stated the driveway was at least 15 feet wide.
Mr. Harris stated if they put a barricade up they couldn't exit to 60th.
Ms. Schnabel stated that the City wouZd not put up a barricade� the people would
have to.
Ms. Gabel stated it wouldn't have to be barricaded and they could still get in and
out.
Mr. Oquist stated that wouldn't solve their problem.
Ms. Gabel stated they were told they need some way to ].egally take care of this
and they�re saying they cannot legal],y take care of it. Thia way the problem
would become ours and they would be trespassing and that would give the home-
owners legal recourse. She felt it was ridicvlous that they had to go to these
lengths to get something cleaned up.
Mr. Carmen stated that if this was vacated� he would sod the 6 feet by his Yence
and make it look decent.
Ms. Schnabel stated they could drive a few telephone poles in the corner of their
lots� and that would help.
Mr. Oquist stated it wauld still brittg the property line 6 Peet closer and they
would still have the trash containers there. It would not solve the problem.
They would have the same problem with the second fence.
Mr. Carmen stated they have called the police and have had severa2 City officials
there including Mr, Sobiech and nothing has been dotte. He felt this vras their
only alternative.
PLANI3ING COMMI3SION MEESING, JUNE 6, 1�79 PAGE l7.
Ms, Schnabel reYexred to Mr. Boardman's memo and asked what he meant by the
statement that due to the controversey between the neighbors there was a
strong tendency that no vacation request would be applied for.
Ms. Gabel staied that the last time the City Staff was there� they suggested
she reqnest the vacetion and she stated that she would not pay for a vacation
request to c3ean up something the City should iake care of ax�yway.
Ma. ScHnabel asked 1£ she knew for sure that the apartment owners wovld not
join them in a vacation requestT
Ms. Gabel stated that she was not sure but felt there would be no cooperation
because of past experiences with them,
N1r, Langenfeld asked what initiated thi.s request?
Ms. Gabel stated that it was Ed Fitzpatrick's recommendation after the last
incident.
Mr. Franzen stated that he understoal that the zoning code requires they have a
maintained parking area as well as a screened refuse area. He asked if they
required a fence around the refuse area, wduld that solve some of the problem?
Mr. Fiarris stated that he was not sure they could force the apartment owners to
build a fence because the apartmexits were old and probab],y bui].t before those
ordinances were in effect. He suggested they go to Council.
Ms. Gabel stated they had gone to Council.
Mr, Carmen stated tY�at Mr. Olson of the City Sta,ff told him he could move if he
didn't like it. He stated that the ?ormer owner of his house had gone to Council
several times to have something done and moved because nothing was done. He felt
the police had more to do than worry about this kind of thing. Iie also stated
that he had talked to the City Manager several times.
Mrs. Carmen asked wl�y the Health Department of the City of Fridley did nothing
when they asked that a rotten mattress and some garbage be removed?
Mr. Harris stated that 5teve Olson was the health officer.
Mr. Carmen stated that Steve Olson had been there four or five times and he told
Mr. Carmen that if he didn't like it he could move. He also stated that they
should enforce the parking ordinance end designate parking spaces to keep the
cars aWay from bis fence.
Mr. Harris stated that he would like to learn more about this. Maybe a meeting
with the City Manager, the Mayor and the Counci]inan would help.
Ms, Schnabel stated that she was not convinced that the vacation was the answer.
She stated that she was cancerned about the City's attitude. She agreed that
a meeting might be more helpYul.
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Ms. Hughes su�gested they send a modified version oP Mr. Boardman's memo to
Council I.isting the alternatives and iaclude the svggestion that they itaprove
part of the alley and also the suggested that the City should enforce all
applicable cales. She was not suggesting the apartments be kiarassed but that
there should be consistent and logical enforeement. �
Mr. Carmen stated that he felt the Police Department shoutd be co�nended for
their responsiveness but when the Police turn their reports over to.the City
officials, nothing is done. He asked that the Planning Commission make a strong
effort to find out wk�y the City ofYicials have done nothin�.
Mr. Harris asked b1s. Gabel if she and her neighbors would be willing to meet
with the Ward Counczlman, the Mayor, the Councilman at Large, the Chair of the
Pl.anning Cammission and any other members of the Planning Cotmnission who wish
to attend� and the City Manager to find out what the problem is and why this
situation is not being taken care of?
N,s. Gabel stated she would attend such a meeting and also stated that they had
spent a long time working on the Hyde Park rezoning and she, along with her
neighbors� had put in a lot of their own time on it in order to make it a viable
p].ace to live� and she £elt it was time for the City to do their share.
Ms. Schnabel stated that she fe2t the Meitttenance Code would be a good place to
start and suggested they resesrch it in terms o? interior and exterior maintenance
on these rental properties. She wovld like to see this discussed at the meeting
with regards to who should enforce the Nlaintenance Cale and wY�y it has not been
enforced.
MOTI�N by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by A4r. Langenfeld, to recommend to Council
ti�at �acation Request SAV �'j9-03 be continued until a meeting is held and attended
by the following pecple; the aifected nei�hbors� the 47ard Coun¢ilman, the Mayor�
the Councilman at Lar�e, the Chairman of the Planning Comnission and a�y other
member o£ the Planning Commission who wishes to attend� the City Manager� the City
Engineer and any other Staff person deemed necessary. .ihe purpose of the meeting
would be to discuss the untenable situation that has occurred and is continuing to
occur between the private residences and the apartments located in the block bounded
by 22 Street and 3rd Street and 59th axid 60th Avenues NE. Vacation Request SAV �79-�3
is a request by the City of FY�idley to vacate that portion of the alley in B1ock 11�
i�yde Park� not vacated by Ordinance #533, between Lots 1-6 and Lots 25-30, axid
between Lots 14� 15� 16, and 17� located between 59th and 60ih Avenues NE and between
22 Street and 3rd Street NE. .
Mr. Carmen requested that the reports and records of the c�mplaints be at the
meeting.
Ms. Schnabel stated they wouZd be including the minutes of this meeting.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the people who own the apartment houses should be
not3f3ed of this meeting.
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PLAIVNING COt+�1.iSSION MEETING, ,7[m� 6L1q79 - PAGE 13
Mr, Harris stated they would be along with all. affected neighbora.
Ma. Schnabel stated that ihe purpose of the meeting should be to see iP there
was some way to solve the problem of the friction within the neighborhood.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI.L VOTING AYE, CHAIRI+tAN HARRIS D�CLAftF�? TRE I�97PION CARRIED
UNANIN�OtJSLY .
Mr. Treuenfe].s atated he would like to be notified oP the meet3ng.
Ms. Schnabel stated they should all be notified as to the date and time.
Mr. Carmen thanked the Corunissioners.
b. RECEIVE ME1�IORAPIDUM FROM THE CITY ATPORNEY ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes� seconded by Mr. Treuen£els, to receive the memorandum irom
the City Attorney on Special Use Permits.
Ms, Hu�hes stated that after reading through this she felt that Special Use Permits
were not in the category she thought they were and that they were more stringent
than she thought. After reading this, she felt better about Special Use Permits
and what is allowed and wY�at is not al.lowed. Pa$e 35 in particular brought the
thittgs such as the effect on the neighborhood� the nature cf the adjoining 1and�
traffic� etc.
Mr, Fiarris stated that they had to have good and valid reasons for denying a
request.
b7s. Schnabel stated tliat one thing they had not done enough of in the pact was
zeroing in on the burden of proof that the applicant has to show that the Special
Use Permit they are applying for dces not in as�y way effect the public health�
safety, convenience, welfare, traPfic congestion and hazards� or change the pro-
posed original use of the area� etc. YIe have not made �the app].icants prove to
us that these things exist.
Ms. Aughes stated that the request for a garage tonight was an example where it
could have an impact on the nei.ghbors land value especiall,y if the hedge wasn't
there.
Mr. Iiarris noted that the person at 6211 was not here to�object. He also noted
that in reading over the minutes oY their discussion on the last xequest in the
flood plain, if that house had been built and graded the way the plan indicated�
there would be detTemental effects to the abutting property.
Ms. Hughes stated that thie seems strox�er than she had thought. She also stated
tbat a statement from StaPf that they have no objections would not be adequate.
It should be more specific and detailed.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING� JtJI� 6 1�79 PAGE 1�
Mr. Harris atated that when Siaff proceasea a Special Use Permit they look at
all aspects. They do have a checklist.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Franzen if the checkl,ist for the Special Use Permit request
tonight was in the file?
Mr. Franzen statefl it was and it included who reviewed it.
Ms. Schnabel stated that at the Appeals Cormnission� the Chair of the Commission
has been given the file and the Cou�issioners can review it. Also, the Fire
Department, the Police Aepartment and others should make conunents too,
Ms. Hughes felt their co�ents should be more speciPic.
Mr. Iangenfeld state@ thst when t�e has denied a Special Use Permit he had good
reasons such as public health, safety and welfare, and they should not be afraid
to des�y even if someone threatens to sue.
Ms. Hughes agreed and felt the City has been unwilling to protect the zoning
codes and deny a Special Use Permit that should be denied just because someone
tl�reatens to sue.
Mr. Langen£eld stated that at one time he had the impression that people f°lt
at one time if they want�d a�yi;hing ihey should just put in for a SUP.
Mr. Harris stated that they were in the mid.dle of lookin� at the zonin� codes and
in the past the Special Use Permit was.a catch-all. Tiiey should not do that any
longer. They have al2owed a lot of latitude especially in the R-1 districts
and he felt they shovld tighten up a little bit, but it has to be reasonable.
Ms. Hu�hes stated she did not want to see a City that was 3dentical in every aspect.
Mr. Aarris stated that the problem of a Special iise Permit for a second accessory
building has been with us for a long time and wi11 be until we find another way of
handling it. In regards to this sequest tonight, if everyone on that side of the
street decided to do this� it wpuld be a disaster. In the future� when they 7.cok
at the zoning codes and the Comprehensive P1an, they will have to look at the
problem of second accessory buildings.
Mr. Oquist agreed. �
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AIS. VOTING AYE� CHAII3MAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANI1�40USLX.
5. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COA4VffSSION MINUTES: MAY 16� �979�
MqPION by Ms. Hughes� seconded by Mr. LangenPeld� to receive the Parks and
Recreation Co�iss3on minutes of May 16, 1979•
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PLANNING COMMISSION MGETING, ,Tt1�E 6, 19'�9 PACE 15
Mr. Treuenfels asked wk�y Mr. Boudreau was present.at the meeting?
Ms. Hughes siated they were interviewing architects.
UPON A VOICE VQTE? ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN TiARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
i. RECEIVE ENERGY PR�J�CT COI�ffTPEE MINIfrES: MAY 22� 1979�
MOTION by Mr. Iangenfel.d� seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to receive the May 22� i979,
minutes of the �hergy Project Coummittee.
Mr. Ian�enfeld stated there was an introduction included called "Proposa]. B"
and this is a draft copy of an introduction to the Planning Co�ission. He
stated that the chart was the key to the whole thing. The chart incorporates
the scope of the project as set forth by the Planning Comnission. He felt that
the City Coordinating Unit was a good idea. Item 2 on page 4 expZains the City
Coordinating Unit. They hoped to finish thi� at their next seeting and woul.d
then present it in a proper fashion.
Mr. Treuenfels noted that page 2 oP_the �nergy Project Counnittee� Item B� �2 appears
to be in conflict with the section on parks in the Comprehensive Development Plan.
In the CDP� lighting is encouraged to prevent vandalism.
Ns. Hughes stated this was not in conflict with what the Park�s Connuittee thinks�
hut it might be in conflict c:ith what the Park's �Jepartment thinks. The Parks
Committee would agree with this statement.
Mr. Harris stated that as far as this and other questions go, they will have to
weigh the good and bad and set priorities.
Ms. Schnabel stated that she thought �f$ on that page was the way it is now.
Mr. Treuenfels referred to page 3 of Proposal A, Item D, #1� and stated tbat he
understood there was a conflict between earth-sheltered buildin�s and the Uniform
Building Code.
Mr. Harris stated there was a conflict there.
Mr. Langen£eld stated that they considered that under the energy-efficient dwellings.
They could not have a detailed e�cplanation of each item in the minutes.
Mr. Treuenfels referred to page 5 of the Proposal A� Item C, and suggested they
discuss Gasol�ql. He would like the Cormnittee to discuss Gasohol derived �rom
waste products rather than food products and also distillation of alcohol shbuld
be done using solar energy rather than fossil fuels.
t/,r, IangenYeld reYerred to the "SCOPE° section and quoted the following: "It is
IVOT the intent of this Policy to formulate precise procedures or to categorize
specific actions based upon the availability oY fuels used." He stated that they
had looked at energy policies from Mound� the C3ty of Minneapolis� New Brighton
and several others arni they did not find them helpful. A part of the contingency
plan from New Brighton was helpful. Fridley's Energy Project Committee wae taking
a complete�}• new approach and he felt this was exciting. He was pro�zd of the work
the Committee has done,
PLnrirnrrc con�zsszoN r��rir�c, .nm� 6, �979 - PAG� 16
Ms. Hughes referred to page 4 of�Proposal A, �'%� and atated she would like to
see a"policy maker" rather than the City Manager there. Also, she would like
to see a more detailed explanution of what the citizen's group� referred to in
Item �/$ on page 4, would be doing. 6he also referred to Item II, �A on page 4
and stated that the last sentence in that paragraph sounds different from what
she thought they were saying. She wondered if that was what they wanted to say.
Ms. Hvghes referred to page 5� Stem C� and asked why,transportation on the local
government level was not includedY
Mr. Harris stated they were talking about public transportation.
Ms. Hughes asked wt�y they weren't talking about a local public transportation systemY
Mr. Harris stated they di8 not have one aud had talked about it at one time and
d'ecided against it.
Ms, Hughes stated that things had changed and maybe they should look at it.
Mr. Harris stated they had looked at it and it was in the realm of the MPC. He
ctated they were not set up to operate such a system.
Nis, Schnabel mentioned the Dia1-A�Ride system in Columbia Heights and stated that
did not exist in 1'ridley,
Ms. Hughes felt they should look at the possibilities of having a private compan,y
pravide th3t service.
Mr. I�ngenfeld stated that this question was brought up by one member o£ the
Cotr�nittee� but the other raembers felt it would not be appropriate to put it in
here because it would be such an enortr.ous project and it woul.d be very difficut
for them to get it going. Mr. Langenfeld stated that when they first se-t up the
Committee, they had a large number of things to cover and they had to narrow it
down somehow.
Mr, ilarris stated that one of the shortcomings was that they were dealing only with
the City of Fridley and energy is a much broader problem. He felt that if this did
nothing else� it would make them energy-aw�re. When they started this out� they
had a lack of coordination and leadership from the State. He stated that the State
had indicated that they were usin� Fridley as a model.
Mr. I,angenfeld reYerred to the NSP Survey and stated he £elt the onl,y goal thing
out of it was to create awareness.
Ms. Schnabel re£erred to page 3� Item E(Contingency Plan} and asked who would
imp7.ement that Plan and under what conditions?
Nfr, Langenfeld stated this was directed to the City and would occur if there was
an alZ out national crisis.
PLANNING COA4dISSION ME�'TTNG, JIINE 6, 1979 - PACE 17
Ms. Schnabel stated there were some things in there that could be done in advance
of a crisis� for example, Item 6 on page 4 which refers to regulating the operatin�
hours of retail businesses.
P�. Oquist asked iY the.City coutd do that? "
Mr. Aarris stated there wss a Supreme Court Decision that struck that down.
Ms, iiughes s+.ated there cou].d be a reason now� such as public health� safety
and welfare. .
Ms. Schnabel etated that before that was done, they should have an analysis of
how much it would save. She referred also to page 4� Item A� and asked iP
"Institutional" would refer to schools, hospitals� .etc.7
Mr. Langenfeld stated that was correct.
Ms. Schnabel stated that they had talked at one time about the City and gublic
institutions ana],yzing their consumption and making an attempt to cut that con-
sumption by a certain percentage.
Mr. Iangenield stated they had discussed that and referred to page 2� Item 3 of
Proposal A.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� A3.L VOTING AYE� CIIAIRA7AN IIARRIS DECLA.RED THE MOTION CARRIED
ITNANIb40USLY.
Chairman Iiarris declared a recess at 10:05 P.M. and reconvened the meeting et
10:15.P.M.
7. CONTINIlED: COMPREIiENSIVE REVELQPN�NT PLAN:
Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks Commission had not completed their review of the
document and they would be discussing it at their next meeting and would have a
complete�y rewritten section. They had problems with the way it was put together
and they finally had to cut and paste before they could discuss it.
Page 31, SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL:
Ms. Hughes referred to the second paragraph and suggested they add recycling and
encouraging reducir� �khe amo�nt of it. •
Mr, fiarris agreed and noted they were promoting recycling of waste. A sub-comuiittee
had been set up a year ago and it should be included.
Page 33r 5310, #1:
Ms. Hughes suggested they delete the word "prioritize" snd insert the word "rank".
She also stated that she felt $310� �f�2 was a criticAl area. She also felt the
word "prioritize" shoUld be deleted throughout the whole document and replaced
by the word "rank".
PLANNING CONIMISBION MEETING�JtTNE 6, 1979 PAGE 18
Mr. Langenfeld stated ihat his cogy of the docum.ent was different from the copies
the other Commissfoners had.
Page 33, 5311 �1:
Ms. Hughes noted that the word "PROMt1I,GATION" should be deleted and tke word
"PROPAGATION" shou3.d be inserted. Also� the statement "RECREATION IN AND OUT
OF THE WAT�R" was questioned by her Commission and they wondered if it shou].dn't
be "RECR�ATION IN AP1D ON THE WATER". This would ettcompass boating� etc. They
wanted attention paid to "ON THE WATER".
Page 35� 5310:
Mr. I,angenfeld statad that he had several statements on energy thai were to be
included in this portion of the document. This was a revision dated April 26� z979•
He also stated that on page 35� the Er.vironraenta2 Quality Commission felt the
words "Wetlands and Lo�rlands" should be char�ed to "water bodies and water courses".
Mr. Franzen stated that Metro Council had recommended the use of that termonology
and to be consistent it should remain "wetl.ands and lowlands".
2+Ir. Oquist stated that the revision Mr. Langanfeld read to them regarding energy
did not fit into the Systems Plan on page 35•
N'.s. Schnabel stated that the intraTuction on page 12 of the document did not
refer to ener�yr.
h1r. Harris stated they would have to fit it in somewhere.
Ms. Hvghes stated that the Parks Coimnission had trouble folZowing the document
attd had to cut it apart and reorganize it because it was not workable the way
it r�as. .
Mr. FIarris stated that he could not see how triey would fit the section on energy
into the lowlands section.
Mr. Oquist stated that he was concerned that the Cou�missioners had diiferent
copies of the document. Some were revised editions and some were not. He also
sta�ed that in some sections� the policy plan did nbt relate to the systems p1att.
Ms. Schnabel asked if the Planning Co�ission could ask £or a reorganization of
the document and a clearer understanding of the direction or flcnr of the document2
Nh�. iiarris stated they could.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Txeuenfels, to continue the discussion on
the Compxehensive Development P1an and that the Planning Commission recommends
that the Chair oY the Planning Commission.�o t0 the Planning Department Heads and
discuss their feelings on the unworkability of this document based on the exper3ence
that the Parks and Recreation Coffinission had with the document� and the Planning
Coimnissian would like a rewrite of the document.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING� JUNE 6, 1979 PAGE 19
Mr. Treuenfela stated that there doesn't seem to be s genexal focusing idea in
the document and it's very difficult to say which direction Fridley is going
based on this document. Also, the organization of the docwnent ia difficu].t to
follow.
UPON A VOICE V�TE� ALI, IIOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECIJ�ED THE M(YPION CRRRIED
UNAI3IMOUSLY.
8. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGE3 TQ CFiAPTER 205. ZOPtING:
N�TION by Ma. Schnabel� seconded by MT. Langenfeld� to continue the discussion
on the proposed changes to Chapter 205. Zoning.
(3PON A VOICE VOTE� AIS. VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAItID THE MC7TION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY. .
9. art�t avszrrESS:
Mr, Hmrris stated he had received a letter from Metro Council on LawCon Application
regarding Parks snd Open Spaces and lake access guid2lines. He gave the letter
to Mr. Franzen to give to Mr. Boardman.
Mr. Harris stated he had a direction from City Council regarding rental conrersion
property and in particular tl�e Nitscheke case. Ms. Nitscheke requested per�iseion
to split a tri-plex into a townhouse. The memo stated tl�at the Jay Park Plat -
Nitscheke - was tabled indefinite�}r� and Staff,was 3irected to refer this i'tem to
Planning for discussion of the £ollawing items: 1) the various types of convercion
and whether they should be allowed at a11� 2} a zero- lot line for sia�6le £ac;iJ,y
homes and 3) review of the existing to4mhouse ordinance for possible �aodi'Pication,
It was the feeling of Council that a coc�rehensive look should be taken in re�ards
to conversion and their impact on policy statement development. A policy statement
or appropriate ordinances could be drafted where needed. Mr. Harris stated there
was another memo Yrom Mr. BoArdman to Mr. Sobiech on how these rental conversions
were handled and apparently they called several other suburbs.
Mr. F'rattzen stated he had called the suburbs listed and asked them how they were
handling conversion o£ duplexes and multiple dwellings to individuaZ ownerships
and also the conversion of npartments to townhouses. Some of the suburbs were
allowing apartments to be converted into townhouses or condominiums. A lot of
them said they weren't getting involved with that and it was up to the owner of
the apartment. He felt the problem with converting apartments to townhois es or
condominiwns was that a certain amount oY rental propexty was necessary and they
were forcing a lot of people to find dwelling units elsewhere. The Gity has a
significant shortage in multiple dwellin� units and if they �o in that direction�
it could be a problem. A lot of coummunities were getting cwnplaints from older
peuple who said they were getting kicked out of their apartments and wanted the
cities to do somethin� about it. Out Tast they were running into the problem of .
a shortage of multiple dwelling units. Regard3ng duplexes to indiv3dual ownership�
some o£ the communities stated they weren't allorring this because of lot size
requirementa. 5ome communities in St. Paul did not have a psoblem because they
have a very small lpt.size requirement. The question of�individual ownership
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PLI�NNING COI�I2SSION MEETING, JUNE 6, 1979 PAGE 20
raises the problem oP maintettance. Some communities stated thAt as far as duplexes
go they would split it down the middle with each person xesponsib7.e Yor the
maintenance of their side and they would have separate services. Regarding multiple
un�ts, some communities require an associatlon to maintain the exterior of the
buildin$� and the landscaping, etc.
Mr. Harris nbted they had xec�mended to Counci]. that an association be formed to
take care oP the exterior mainienance.
Mr. Franzen referred to the �+0 foot lots in the City that were present]y considered
unbuildable and by alZowing splits� they were allowing special consideration to
lower the lot si2e of single family structures. He stated it would be a problem
iY the unit burned down and they would have 40 foot lots.
Mr. $arris stated that was their reasoning for the association and for the land
to be divid�d in common.
thr. Franzen stated they would also have to consider this as an ooportunity for
people to bi.�y and put their money into a home that will go up in value as opposed
to renting.
Ms. Schnabel stated there was also the benefit of a tax write-off in awning their
own home. �
Ms. Hughes stated that another reason for allowing this type oY thing was that it
was a way to lower the cost of home owner�hip.
NIx'. Harris suggested they continue thie item and put it back on the agenda.
Ms. S�hnabel su�gested they review the minutes frora the previous Planning Commission
meetings where this was diseussed and see hoca closely those discussions rePlact
the questions £rom Council.
Mr. Harris agreed and suggested they think about it. He asked Mr. Fran2en to
have this put back on the agenda attd include in the agenda copies of Planning's
discussion on this item and also a copy of the memo "Info. £rom Council" dated
June 4� 1979, Also� a copy of the Council�s minutes from their meeting of
June 4� 197q pertaining to the Tay Park - Nitscheke Plat� should be included,
Mr. Aarris asked Mr. Franzen whd was handling the interviewing of the Senior
Citizen's High-Rise2 Iie had heard there might be some prePerence being given
and would like to know the criteria used in the selection process. He had
received several inquires regarding this.
Mr. Franzen stated he would look into it.
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PLANP]ING COMMISSION MEETIN� JUtVE 6L1s79 - PAGE 21
Mr. IangenPeld stated that in reading the minutes in regards to the proposed
house in the flood plain, he noticed that the worda "aesuming" and "probably"
were used frequently. He felt they should be �ore sure of themselues when
discussing somethin� like this.
Mr. Harxis stated they doubted the survey because it was taken in February and
it was difficult t.o get accurate elevations in the winter.
Ms. Hughes stated that the Minnesota 4later Reeources Research Center would be
holding a series of regional meetinGs and in our area, it wi11 be June 19� 19'i9
at 7:30 at the Earl Brown Conference Center and the topic wi11 be "Citizen
Participation on Water". She felt this would be of interest.
10. ADJOIIRNMENT:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by .'✓ir. Lanbenfel.d� to adjourn the June 6, 1979,
meeting of the Planning Co�mnission.
UPON A VOICE VQTE� ALI, VOTISG AXE� CHAIRb7AI3 f1ARF;IS DECLARED THG P�ETING ADJOURNED
AT 11:30 P.M.
Respectfully Submitted:
-.-.s�L / <�,, ,, f �;� ,_ �c�
Katk�y Shelt n� . ecording Secretary
HUMAN RESOURCES CO.AIISSION
MEETTNG
NNE 7, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair,person Treuenfels called the meeting to o"rder at 7:35 p,m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Peter Treuenfels, Marly3s Carpenter, Ldayne Saunders,
Mary van Dan, Mary K, Martin
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Peter Fleming, �:dministrutive Assistant
Tim Turnbull., Fridl�y Po7_ice Department
Lee Carlsen, Spi•in� L:�ke Fa�k Huma:� Rights Commission
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APPi20VAL OF �1AY 3, 1979; HL'�1�:DT RESOURCES ',GA�i��ISSION MINUTES:
MOT70N by Wayne Saunders, seconded by ,".ary K. Martin, to aPprov° t'r.e
May 3, 1479, Human Resources Commission minutes as written. Upon 2 voice
vote, al]. voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the motion carried
unanimously.
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1. PRESENTATION AY LEE-CARLSON AND DEAN SABI�Y: PROPOSAL FOF FAPiILY FESOUP.CE
CENTER -;'iPRING LAIZE PARK Hiit�iAN FIGI�TS CO3L^SISSION riEh113ERS:
Ms. Carlson stated that Mr. Sabby was not preserit as he was presenting this
proposal at the Blaine City Council that evening.
Ms. Carlson passed out packets oi infor�ation to each Conuni.ssion membec. She
stated that it was a rather lei�gthy packet of information, but she felt it did
require a certain amount of background to inform tlie Commi.ssion of just exactly
what the Central Center for Family Resources is and how it came into Ueing.
The purpose of her coming Uefore the Commission was to describe the proposal
to the Commission, to get the Commission's input, and to make � request that
sl�e and Mr, SabUp use this vehicl� to appear on the City Cuuucil agenda to
also make this presentation.
Ms. Carlsnn stated that L-he City of Srring Lak� Fnrlc biiilt. a new community
center wiCh federal funds and, as par� of that fede:al grant, they set aside
four ofiices for social services. She is chairperson oE the Task Ferce that
was created and given the taslc of deciding how chese offices woui.d Ue nsed.
One recommendatiom of CI-�is Tasl: Force was that one office t�e used hy the
Anolca County Task Force for SatCered T���men, The}� are operat-ing 24-hour
crisis telephones of resource and referral, with the goal of. eventually
establishing a shelter house in anotlier facility. The three remaining offices
TIUMAN ABSOURCL'S C01�;MISSION MrE'P1NG, JUNP 7, 7.979 - PAGE 2
were recommendecl by the Task Force L'o Ue used as a family resource center
with a focus on youth and a Pocus on parenting.
Ms. Carl.son stated L-liey did a Preliminary Needs Assessment (enclosed in the
packet of inEormation} and, in consulting with the local police departments
of the three cocmnunities (Fridley, Blaine, and Spring Lake Park), L-hey
became convinced that the program of e�rly intervent'ion before youth became
in contact with the court system was where they wanted to put their prime
emphasis and focus.
Ms. Carlson stated they had also formed a non-profit organization with the
title of. Central Center for Family Resources, and the Executive Board and
Governing Board were included in the pacicet. The Advisorp Board was in the
in:ormative process, and they wanted the Advisory Board to reflect the target
communities they had selected, Spring Lake Park, Target, and Blaine. The
rationale for th� three target communiti.es was because they can pilot programs
in District 16 schools and test some of their pr.ogram development. Their
goal is to extend this service to the surrounding communities.
I�s. Carlscn stated that L-he Director of tliis organization ��as I•Ir. Dean Sabby.
Their present iunding status was that the City of Spring Lake Park v�as providing
them o�ith offices plus utilities oiith tLe exception of telepizone service. The
City of Spring Lake Park al.so gave a$5,000 r_ash dcnation se tt�eir overhead
e�pense� we.-e. covcrccl by *t;: Cit-y. T>.��; rsc,.de ti;:i-s pr.csen*�cien Co ti•..e Spr.ir!r".
Lzke Par;: i�ans •.,�ho coiitr:�b,:*ed SS,OCtii, ard to t�.^. \'F'�� n�h� co�:t-i6ut•r_d $G,!�00
tU CiiO ]�10] E1Ct . `}'ll,^-_ Y'"d;:1:71'td].F, j OT' ti5'_ll� :i I.S)CB.� i:iR;� 151� �Jfl3? ��*8� �)?Cc.Ufi° r ].II.
185�d1(]Il_i7Q fllR�il.[1A SOLT��.g fCZ jiiVE:R1.�E _IItE3TVER1.IOP T�YO�!,7_�u�P� illli.I:l' (i025
not exist at tl�� state or Lec��xa1 �.e:aei fer ihe part oi tiic �� ogra:n Lheg* consider
t_rue prevention, �
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Ms. Carlson stzeed that Mr. Turnbull had agreed to come t:e the meeting and
tur.L-zter aescribe 12ow he sees this prooram, as we:11 as how he �aou7.d describe
the j�n enzle crime situatier, ia Fridley.
fir. Turnbul.l. stated he was the Acting Coordinator for the Crime Prevention
Program i.n the rridley Police Department. In the last 18 months, they Lad
been in ;he process of researching v�ry thoroughly and developing informati.on
relative to the crime sit�.iation and crime pe:ception in the City of Fridley.
They have done this throngh the means of incident reperts, information
relative tfl police records department and a Crime Perreption Survey tohirh was
conducte3 in coordination ;ait}i the Plamiing Deparement. Tl�ep i�ad also organized a
Cummunity Actiou Task Force Lor Crime Prevention.
Mr. Turubull stated their project�caas oue that orients itseli around crime
prevention by reduction of opportui`,ity. It is not an offender-based program
nor a victim-base3 program such as �,he program Ms. Carlson was pre,ent-ng.
Nevert:heless, he thought some of his�informat:iun �aas relevant if taken in
tltis contea;t. Tlie major focus oE tha�dr program caas on property crines, both
residential. aiid r.ommercial. He hac� Urought along a r_hart which �,as information
relati.ve to parcicular residr..nT.i_al. crime. The types of crime tlie,y focus on
are Uu'rglar,y, van3al_ism, aazd househoJ.3 larr.ei�y. The survey L'hey �id indicated
IiUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 7, 1979 - PAGE 3
Chat the top levels of concern relative to ctime perception in the
community were vandalism, burglary, and household l.arceny. Their statistica7.
information f-rom the Police_ Department indicated that the highest number of
incidents.in_property crime were in those areas.
Mr. Turnbull stated they diagnosed the crime of burglary more specifically.
Their information cam� from incident reports talcen from July 1, 1977, and
June 3U, 1978. in the case of residential burglazy, there were approxi-
mately 18b cases. In the number of cases wher.e they could identify age,
67.9% of the time the suspects were uxider.tihe age of 18. Mr. Turnbull
stated this could indicate one of two things: Either the people who were
under the age of 18 were easier to catch;or that if they could identify tl�e
age of a11 suspects, they would iind that approximately 79% of the time the
suspects would Ue in a classification called juveniles or under the agF of 18.
In their experiences with other departments and other studies re7.ative ta
Minneapolis and St. Paul, it was his inclination that it was the latter case--
approximately 70% of the time, the suspects would fit into the classification
of juveniles.
Mz. 'CurnUull stated the purpose o£ their presentations to the Commur.ity
Ar.tion Task Force for Crime Prevention was to bring to ].ight Chis type of
information, to increase their awareness r_o the problem, mal:e some problem
statemcnts, and ceme up E:�ii:h so,ne s,�:�uL�rn, scatc:::�,encs of i.nput into thei.:r
Cri_mr Preve.ntion Frogram, au3 to *�ossii�l.? s>,k a;ranc,
I•ir, Turabull star,r:d again that th� Cri*r.e Prevention Progra�a deals, nnt sai.th
the otTerider., buc dea7.s ;.*it}� reducin� che uprortunity.. i:he Ci.-ime Pre:ventio::
Program in Fridley aud T.he program d�scribed by Ms. Carlson �aere not o•aer-
lapging programs. Fie wanted to make it clear that it was uot within the
ecope of the Crime Prevention Program to deal with the types of paseating
and support system proposed by Ms. Carlson. He also wante3 to indicate that
oa the part of the Community Action Task Force for Crime Prevention, t'ri�y
caere concerne3 about the property crimes and the level oi criine and feTt
that their first priority should be to reduce the opportunity for these
types of cr.ames, but tl�ey also felt a v�ry high level of concern for a
pzrogram cohict would deal with troubled children in treuUled homes and one
wl,�ch ?�Lti. Carlson's prograia might encompass.
M,. Carlson stated that inrhe packet of information, there was a Child C3use
Repoxt for Ancka County, and they might be interested to know that out: of
116 reported cases, 39 were reported in Spring Lalce Park, Eridley, and Blaine.
14s. Carlsr.n sLated that, al' tlxe time they developed the budget, they were
projec*_in� what it would take to operate the center on a one-year basis,
half-time, to give them time to develop the fundin� base they wou7.d n�ed.
�verything done in terms of developing the structure of the organization
and Clie Advisory Board had been with the idea of being witliin the guid��lines
of the ]',EAA grant fundiug monies and also Juvenile Intervention funds at the
state level.
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MIiETING, JUNE 7, 19�9 PAGE 4
Ms. Carlson stated that the present budget status was at $16,000, plus they
had written a grant to the Onan Corporation to cover one of the aspecL-s of
the program. She had not heard the final word on thaL grant. She stated
the Blaine City Council was making a decision on this proposal that night,
Ms. Carlson stated they were basing t1�.eir hypothesis on giving parenting
skills and being a source of referral and also have the ability to offer
counseling services for families before children are acting out to the stage
where they enter court services or are designated by the schools to go for
evaluation.
Ms. Csrlson stated that the Commissioners might like to take this material
home and read it over more thoroughly. Her basic request was th�t they would
like to malce this presentation to the Fridley City Council with the idea of
request-ing support f-or this type oi programming.
Ms. van Dan asked if there were any overlapping services and counseling services
Uetween this group and the Anoka County Social Services?
Ms. Carlson stated that, rather than overlap, they would like to �,�urk closely
with the Asoka County Social Servi-ces by bringing the Anoka.County services
into thiscommunity, aad they ceuld be a charuiel for those kinds of efforts.
She sta�ed she hau three type�>ritten pnp,e� af. contacf.s thev had mzde since
':Narco in purs�.�ing this �aliole �::e_a i�: tryind to c��vet al7 asP�cts �f referral
and non--dvpli.catioa af sezvices. But, obviously, they had not yet contact:ad
al I tiie treople ttiey needed to centact. She stated they taoi.].d a7.so lzlte clze
Fridl.ey Human Resnurces Commission to Ue a. resource in helpin;; them l,no,� o`
pre-existing progr�ams or overlarping ser�rices they may uot be a�-are of.
?�Is. Carpenter stated she felt the Anoka County Social Services was more
crisis-ori-ented,and this program was more preve_ntion-orienCed. That was
very encouraging. She was impressed with the proposal.
Ms. Carlson stated they would also like a representative from the Commi.ssion
to Ue on their Advisory Board.
Mr. Treuenfels stated Ms. Carlson's presentation �aas very i_mpressive, howevery
he �vould recommend that, in going 6efore City Council, she present a strong
and very sharp focus on what they are proposing to do,with exampl.es L-o make
it more vivid.
Ms. Martin asked vrhen the programming was projected to actuaZly begin7
Dfs. Carlson stated they wanted to pilot their first parenting programs in
August-September--an eighl--week time span. No�a tl�e decision had to Ue made
cohether they will focus on parentittg of pre-adolescence or go in sequence.
Ms. Carpenter stated she could see a need for as many of the:e services in
an area as possiUle, and she did not think this �cind of service could be
oversaturated. Peop].e parent the way they wer.e parented unless they liave
some other lcind of training,
HUN3AN RF.SOUP.CES COMMISSTON PIGETING .JUNG 7, 1975 - PAGfi S
Ms. van Dan stated she was not againsC this proposal and w�s positive7.y
in favor of the concept, buL- she would be interested in knowing wha� services
actuaLly were avail�tble in this area.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that' maybe the Coumnission could be of service by
oUtainir.g some background inforr�ation regarding the availability of services
in this area.
Ms. van Dan stated they should be looking for t�ao tppes of information--
continuous cour,seling services and services provided through workshops,
Ms. Carpenter stated she would be willing to contact Tom Myhra; Birector of
Community Schools; to get as much iaformatzen as he would ha•ae avai7.abie.
Ms. van Dan stated she ��ould contact the area churclies, and 2Qr. Wayne Saunders
stated he would contact Unity HospitaL
Pis. 2lartin stated she felt the concept of the p+:oposal was very good, but
she agreed with Mr. Treueniels that it -anuld be helpful if Ms. ��arlsoci nnd/er
I�Yr. Sabby would be more specifi.c about what they nlann.ed to do, how they
plrnned to do it, when they planaed to do ;_t, and lia�a they plauned *o spe.nd
the money. She firmly believed tha� �,eli-thnu�ht-out, well-p"anned, and iae;l-
prc}ected pxr�greims viar..Y,�ci *lze best.
i'I5. (.'.27:pG'_l�(:L Sr3��E;1 Y_�:10 L.�"c�ila S17.f.) Y.EE3:.I.Y �7-Y�3 C^;d5 1:]l2 �j7Y4�iE`L7r;-:'i.iVE`. SY2,t:11:<=.
aud also ehe nature oE us�?r�g tl�e 9_dca �rhere yeu tra.ir. l.oc�l ��eopi�_ ���I�o et��y �
ir. t:h� cou���u±tity a^d cea*_inoe t:o i:<:��� s�:,�r,cr.. g;t'ouPs. 'C �.aas a�n;osc <. p}�rt:mid-
effact. She liked those kittids of c�ro;;ra�r.s as she had seen tLem wor':: .e.a11� �,ell.
(Ms. 3•�ar[in left the meeting at 8;Sd p.m.)
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TIIE NOTIO:�I
p�:i1S'r�R, SECO�TD�u P�Y b7A_�'il VAEd TrAih} `I'0 PASS 7HE
;'f�R, iAN1ZLY RESOUP.CES" ON 't'0 1'LANNIrIG C01Tir:6S;:
GOTMAII S 5
2. RRVT.EW OI' DitAFT OI' COM'PitEIi�NS1VL DEVTZOPMENT PLA1Q:
The £ollowing romrrients were made by the Comnission members regardin� the
Com�rehensive Develo�,ment Plan;
Aousing Flan
Page 54 -
GOf1L STAT�MSNT. Mr. Treuenfels stated t�e had underlined the saords,
without discrimination. He fel.t :hose two words were veYy i��pertant
to human resources.
HiIMAN R�SOtIRCE5 COMf4ISSI0N MEETING, JU1Qli 7, 1979 - PAG� 6
Page 54 -
A 120. 1�1r. Treuenfels stated he had underl3ned the words, without
comrromising essential needs.
Housin� Policy Plan
Page 60 -
]I 110-2),. last sentence of last paragraph: "In or.der to determine
acceptability of potential building sites, the Co�unity should adopt
and use federal and sCate air pollution and noise control standards."
Ms. van Dan's questiou taas: "Has the City adopted federal and state
air pollution sta.r.dards and noise control standards? The sentence in
the CDP implies tlzat the City has not."
Page 61 -
H.17G-4}. The Commzssion members feZt that residential development
should not be encouraged on wetlands, flood plains, or otlier natural
ieatures....etc, and these l,ands should be preserved.as much as possible.
P4r. Treuenfels sL-ated t$at some lands just �aere not feasible for develop-
ment.
P: �. 62 -
TI 120-1j ?'iie Conn�ii:e:icners yue,�ioned wY:ur_ �'�cde:=t-cost" housing �aas.
"Modest-cos"' hourzn� wculd br a very liard t1�in� to defiae right r.ow.
H 120-2). Ms. van Dan stated her concern here was "1ot size", On page
68, minimum lot size was stated as heing 6-8,000 sq. ft. IL- talked
about the area, but not about ihe siiape of the lot. There should be a
minimum 1ot width mentioned.
It was the general concensus of the Crnxunisszon that they did not caaat
to see the quality of buildinss deteriorate because of reduction in
lot si:e.
It was the general concensus of the Commission that they would Ue willing
to eliminate the garage requirement.
Page 63 -
H 120-3). Mr. Treuenfels stated he 1�ad reservations about Ite� ,��3:
"Special. provisions such as density Uonuses that provi,de fiscal incentives
to build low and modeiate-income housing." Hc stated that the idea was
probably caell intended, yet he wondered that if- there �aere too many
bonuses, too many people might Ue packed into this housiug. Building
codes and otlier city regulations should be very carefuily adhered to
for the he,lth, safety, and well-being of the occupants.
IIUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MCI,TIPIG, SiINE 7, 1979 - YAGP. 7
Parks Goa1s & Objectives
Page 71 -
Mr. Treuenfels staLed he was very pleasad te see a definition of "Goals"
and "Objectives".
Page 81 -
Second paragraph: "It is essential in this time of dwindling natural.
resources that people understand the nature of ecological systems and
man's impact on Chem, 'Phe City's Park Recreation and Natural Resources
Department can fulfill a unique fenction as an educztor in this area."
P1r. Treuenfels staL-ed that paragraph was c�all phrased and i.mportant.
parks System Plan
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D 110-1C), IY.em A: °City parks, which becaese of site size, site
characterisT.ics, or location de nat contriUute ro the park system, should
be eliminated." Mr. Treuenfels r.aised the question of cenL'ralizaLion of
parlcs versus decentr.alization of parl:s for the purpose of bringing parks
closer to the people. Maybe the mini-garks c,!ould Ue of service, buC he
could see the additi.onal uplceep ��;oen.ee.
Ms, van Dan stated she felt li:.t_� part:es �zeee doiri� a real serv;.ce *c
the communiY.}*, and they �houl� be mai:��:a.iue.i a.d er_coara;;ed.
D 110-7C), Iteuls B i� C. T�ie Cenvnissi��:x r^co�cier:riad thac :he Cic�. recc,n�i.der
the pros and cor.s of chsnging Coc:mons Par?c from a covmnurity park to a
neighborhoo3 facilit.y, and zcquiring and deve7.opir.g a site more suitable
Chan Com�r�ons f.or use as a cor�muazty playfieLd.
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D 120-6A): "These site plans should ii.clude considerat;ion oE the Yollowin�:
- reduction of maintenance costs
- energy conservation in t11e desiga of shelters,
lighting, etc.
- site security, rzsis�ance to vandalism
- user safety"
Mr. Treuenfels stated he felt "user safety" should be listed as 4F1--
also "user enjoymznt" should be listed.
Pa�;e 87 -
H. Linear Parlc-0pen Space; "In ot-her words, a total:' Tl�is is nut
a cemplete sentence.
IilI�1AN RESOURCliS COMMISSION METTInG JUNE 7 L979 - PAGE 8
3. CONTINUED: GUIIl4.iLIIvfiS PROM STATE DEPAR7'I�NT OP AUMAN RIGHTS:
Mr. Saunders stated the whole State Department o£ �luman Rights was in the
process of hei.ng reorganized. Fie stated he had me� cri[h L-hese people, and
they had mentioned that they would be coming up with some new guidelines.
The Commission agreed they would cont-inue tlzis item until more informaticn
was received from L-he Human Rights DeparCment.
4. STATUS FEPORT ON IP]TERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE CHILD:
Ms. van Dan stated that nn interest had Ueen expressed by the schools for
any project, because;of the ending of the school year. She stated she coould
contact the School Board and the elementary schools later to see if eomething
could be plaruied for the Septenber-November u�onths.
5. OT?IER I?USINESSc
A. SL-atus Report on Initial Selection CommiCtee £or Village Greeen
Senior Highr.ise:
Ms. van Dan stated that in ,Tu1y, s[ie shnuld 'oe able to give the
Comrussiwa a fis�.al �rup„rt on th�= IniCial Selection Cammittee as July Zst
is i:1��= projecY.ed o;�e*.._;r� 3ate ro:c Che sei�icr.s' Lui.Iding. Presumabiy,
Cl�i.s C�;n�i.L*..ee t.as ;ead __, iin�;. �.ieet_n� if atl �1ie ca�tdidates c.!;o w_r.e
apprc?ved decide to acrepr arc v:o�,e ii�.
5. Com��iss:oners <1ppoi.n[zd a� RepresenY.ati»es to various Co�io�ittees:
MOTION Uy riarg van Dan, seconded by Mar"tyis Car.peater, to appoi_nt
flayne Saundexs io serve as Commissi.on rePresenta.tive on the Community
Schools A3cisory Cour.cil. (Meeeings on tiie thix�d,Thursday of the mor.th.j
Upon a voi.ce vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the
motion carried unanimously.
P40TION by Wayne Saunders, secouded by Mar.y van Dan, to appoint
Marlyis Carpenter to the Advisor.y Council of the Central Center for
Pamily Resources. Unon a voice vote, a1I voCing aye, Chairperson Treaenfels
declared the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Mary van Dan, seconded by Marlyis Carpenter, to appoint
Mary K. Martin to be the Commission representative on ti�e Fitte Arts
Committee. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels
declared the motion carried unanimously.
C. Handicapped:
Mr. Treuenfels stated that some time back, the Planr.ing Commission ltad
urged the Human Resources Commission L-o look inL-o the availability of
voting machines for the handicapped. .
IIUMAN k2GS0URCHS COtiMISSION M�ETInTG, JUNE 7y 1979 - PAG� 9
Ms. van Dan sL-ated she could loolc into L'hat. She also stat'ed she would
reconCact Bill Hopkins at Camp Courage t:o see if the}� were still willing
to come out and do a handicapped accessibility study of the public buildings
in Pridley.
Pir. Treuenfels also stated there was an interest expressed in having the
Human Resources Gommission look into Che legal questions and problens,
in general, of cahae is required oi the City under st-ate law with respect'
to L-he handicapped--the accessibility, not only of buildings, but also
of programs.
Idr. Saunders stated Che State had a handicapp,ed specia.list in the Equa1
Opportunity Division. He would cantact this person tu see if he could
meet with the Commission, possiUly Uringing atong a film on ttue hiring
of the handicapped.
ADJOURRfiiENT:
MOTIOPd by Masl,yis Carpenter, seconded by IJayne Sauaders, to adjourn tl�e
neeting. lipcn a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfelc declarPd
the Scme 7, 1979, iIuv�an Resources Cormnission meeti ng adjournzd at 10:30 p.m.
I;espect�ully suLniitteG,
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Lgrin<; S_ba
Beccrdi*ig Secretary
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A non-profit corporation is being formed entiLled Central Center for
Family Resources. The governing board and executive board (attached) will
consist of nine members. The advisory board presently being formed will
include repreaentatives from youth, community, law enforcement, court
services, education, recreation departments, and area churches.
The proposed staff will include a Director: Mr. Dean Sabby, Project
facilitator, Lee �arlson; Secretary, and as funding becomes available
an additional family counselor. Consultive services wi11 be provided
by Dr. Jim.Gilbertson, Child Psychologist. Cross`-referrals with other
youth service a�encies and an effort to make full use of existing services
and referral sources will be made.
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Central Center For Family Resourcesi
Executive Boarde Presidentc Lee Carlson
Vice-Presidentc Dean Sabby
Secretary-Treas. Dairiel.Gaudette
Board of Directors� Lee Carlson R.N.
?937 5 st. NE
' Spring Zake Park, Minnesota SSU32
Dean Sabby M.S. Guidance and Counseling
141 104 Ave. NW
Coon Rapids, Minnesota
Dairiel. Gaudette
708 Ba2lantyne Lane NE
Spring iake Park. Minnesota 55�+32
Dr. .ioeseph Baker
Director of Instruction Dist.#16
644 Ballantyne Lane
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota
Harold ShefPrAttny
1259 West Como Blvd.
St. Paul, Minnesuta SS1Q3
Dr..Jim Gilbertson Child Psychologist
6802 Channel Road NE
Fridley. Minnesota
Thomas Deuvel C�.P.A.
Y.O. Box. 16184
Minneapo2is. Minnesota ,55416
Carolyn McLeod
7913 6 st. Ne
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota 55432
Rev. Daniel Bollman
8365 Able Street NE ,
Spring LaY.e Park, Minnesota 55�32
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MEMHERSHIP: SPRING LflKE PARK COMMUNITY CENTEft TASK F4RCE
Reverend Daniel Bollman Dixie Mengelkoch
Abiding Savior Lutheran Church 8160 6 Street Ne
8211 Red Oak Drive Spring Lake Park, Minn. 55432
Mp1s., Minnesota 55432
. 784-9695
784-5120 or 784-6610
F2ther Pat Griffin
St. Timothy's Catholic Church
707 89th Ave. NE.
Blaine, Minnesota 55434
784-1329
Reverend Paul Krupinski
Christ Lutheran Church
641 S9th Avenue NE
Blaine, Minnesota 55434
Church: 784-3300
757-7575
Lynn McLeod
7913 6 St. NE
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota
55432
784-2312
Dean Sabby
141 104th Ave. NW.
Coon Rapids, Minnesota 55433
757-5248
Aon Wegsheider
North Suburban Family Services
1323 Coon Rapids Blvd.
{�oon Rapids, Minnesota 55433
?55-5300
Lee Carlson
7937 5 st. NS
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota 55432
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Dairiel Gaudette
��8 Ballantyne Lane
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota 55432
784-9133
ADVISORS:
Otto Lind:Spring Lake Park Police
Dr. Jim.Gilbertson
Consultant
Unity Hospital
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TENTATIVE LISTINC
ADVISORY BOARD � *
James Springmun: Deputy Chief of Police Fridley •
Otto Lind: Chief of Police Spring Lake Park
Jerry Wallin: Deputy Chief of Police Blaine
Rev. Paul Krupinski: Christ::L•utheran Church Blaine
Father Pat Grif#'in: St. Timothy's Catholic Church Blaine
Dixie Mengelkoch: Anoka Ass. for Retarded CAP
Kurt Boerner: Drug Counselor Dist. #16
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Sheryl Cleveland: Fridley,Nurse.�•P,raC�i:�i;innerr: Bloomington
Family Planning
Janet Nelson: Anoka County: Child Abuse
Don Weigsheid: Director North Suburban Family Services Coon Rapids
Dick Fritzke: Anoka County
Youth:
Recreation Dept: .
School Psychologist
Pta: Nancy S.�hnagl Past-President Park Terrace PTA
President-elect for dist. #7
Anoka-Hennepin-Carver
PTA State Board '
Human Resources Committee: Fridley
* Partial Listing, Boa�d is in formative process
City of Fridley Population 32, 491
Crime Statistics Tst guarter 1979 Adults 203
Total Reported Offenses 919 Juvenile 113
Actual 9�� 31� Arrests
'i: <:-r�
l0 11-12 13-14 1$ 16 17 Total
Larceny • 1 3 9 7 9 7 36
Auto Theft 2 z
Other Assault 1 1
1 1
Arson ' -
Vandalism 4� 2 6
Narcotics 5 5 3 13
(Marijuana�
� DUI
Liquor Laws
. Disorderly
Other
Runaways
Males 92
Females 18
1
2
2
2
2
5 22
1 2
2 8 12
1 1 1
6 4 2
1 3
z2 30 29
Police Disposition of juveniles Within Dept. 23
90
113
3
2U�
6
12
6
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The cit,y of Spring Lake Park�built a new Communit,y Center with
Federal_grant funds applied for 1n 1976, Housed in this center are
the Police Dept., City government offices, and meeting rooms. In
addition four offices were allocated to be used.for social services,
The 5pring Lake Park Ma,yor and Cit,y Council delegated the responsi- I
bilitv of forming a task force to make recommendations for the use of
these offices to the Sprin� I,ake Park Human �elations Commission,
The task force concluded afte�^ completing a preliminary needs
assessment and consulting with local school; church, law enforcement,
local ,youth service a�encies and other community members that family
services were�needed, At the request of the`Community Actions Prograr,
(CAP), it was recommended by the task force that one office be used b��
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the �noka County Task Force for Battered Women (ACT), They will
operate a seven-da,y per week, twenty-four hour crisis telephone with
thirty trained volunteers as well as providing other su�port and
referral services. The t$ree remaining offices have been reserved fos�
use as a family resource center.
Task force members, Dean Sabb.y and Lee Carlson co-authored a
proposal which identified the procedures necessary in the development
of a family center. This process included development of a detailed
needs assessment rationale, program, preliminary budget, selection of4
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a target area and a plan of action. Nr, Sabby was designated Projecti
Director by the Task Force, Mr. Sabbv has 8 years background in the �
public schools in teachin�, counselin�, and administration, His I
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educational background includes an M,S, in guidance and counseling. �
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He has also obtained a considerable amount of mana�ement trainin� and�
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: experience as a commissione� officer in the_USAF during the last 12 i
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years. Lee Carlson, R,11. Project facilitator, has many years back- !
ground in community service, youth work, educational committees, �
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human relations, church and local organizations.
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The detailed needs assessment based on local surveys. crime
statistics, Anoka County statistics; child aDuse data, drug use
statistics� drop-out data, and consu2tation with schools, law
enforcement officfals� and youth service bureaua revealed a
well defined neeo for services for youth and their families.
School Dist. #16,composed of �idley, Blaine, and Spring
Lake Park was selected as the target population for pilot
programming with services to be extended to surrounding communities..
The school dist. population breakdown is as follows� Spring Lake
Park 6.205 ;Blaine 5,611; and Fridley 4.569 Dist. #16 Supt.
Dr. Chris Huber svrote a support letter for the proposal indic-
at�ng an awareness of the need for additional family services.
Ilr. J. Baker, Director of Znstruction, referred to the project
as "filling a gap in the counseling capability at the elementary
level."
_ All. of the available data presently included in the needs
assessment leads to the conclusion that a program of prevention,
child advocacy, early intervention, parent education, and counsel-
ing services is-needed. .ReSerral alternatives to court services
has alsa found to be necessary in some cases. The program goals
are to provide these services prior to the labeling of the child.
A portion o� the needs assessment data is included in this
packPt and a brief overview of the proposed programming is included..
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A 24innesota State stiidy oi' 7 arid 8 grade studerits in Minnesota
conc2uded that peer drug use and family affect are the strongest
predictors of risk group Sor drug use Zending fltrther support to
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a program of fami�y education. Community support and participation
is a vital ingredient in the proposed program development.
1 Researching Mass ;�4edia Prevention Messages
Chemical Dependency Programs Division
btinnesota Dept. of Public WelSare
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The needs assessment and pre-proposal were presented to t}ie
Sprin� Lake Park Cit,y Council April 16, The City Council unanimousl,y
approved the project and funded it with 4�$,000, office space, and
utilities (excluding telephone),
After thorough investi�ation of available funding resources for ,
juvenile intervention pro�rams at Federal, 5tate, and County levels,
a decision was made to pursue a maximum of fundinp� zt ihe local level.
Federal and State monies will be sought for the elements of the program
that fit their guidelines.
Present State guidelines define juvenile at age 10-17. �e youth
must be designated as headed for court services and evaluation dat�
must show reduction of juveriile crime. The proposed parenting programs,
chilcl development classes, and counseling services for narents of
elementar,y age children below a�e 10 for children who have not committed
acts under the vrevious definition would not be served under this
criteria, These and other supportive community services will require
local support, Program developmental funds will also be sought from
foundations and local organizations,
hensive Health Act will be sought.
Count,y support through Gompre-
The 5pring I,ake Park Lions Club after considering the proposal
voted to provide $5,000 in assistance,indicating their support of the
proposal „ director, and project. The Spring Lake Park VFW Post 6857
also demonstrated support by contributing �b,000 to the project.
The preliminary bydget of '�2$,OOO is based on half-time services.
An additional amount would be required to nerform full-time services
and adequately staff the center,
Evaluation of the preventative aspects of the program will be
based on number of participants, number of referrals, services pro-
vided. �The asnects of the program such as referral alternative to
court services will be in accord with State and Federal.guidelines.
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- PAOPOSED FAMII.Y S�HVICE PROGRAM -
1. Conduct parent discussion'groups for parents of children in
� K-3 concernin��parent-child relationshi.ns. .
A, Discuss concerns they have about children.
B, Wurkin�s of the school.
C, How certain situations can be handled,
D, Needs of children,
E. Heview traits of delinquents.
2, Provide parent discussion groups for parents, of children in
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the upper elementar.y grades.
A, Heview characteristics of adolescence.
B. Discuss concerns,
C, Needs of adolescence.
D. How situations can be hanaled,
3, Famil,v counseling as a result of discussion �roups.
4, Provide child development workshops for parents of young children,
�, Coordinate with other social service agencies and bring resource
peonZe into communit.y.
A, Fami1,Y counselor
B. Probation Officer
C. 8ed Cross
�, Battered women group
E. Others - as needs arise
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Personnel
Director, Co-ordinator, Co�nselor
Secretarial 18,600
Consultants . 1,440
Program and ProposaZ Development: 4,960
Supplies, telephone. workshops,, '
�ublic relations
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PF_RSONS ARRESTED 2978
ADULTS 277
JUVENYL£S 506
MALES ' 601
FEMALES 182
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10 11 13 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 �5
.& to to to to to to to to to to b�
�l 12 14 . 29 34 39 44 44 54 59 64 O
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TOTAL 783
P, ape
Fi obt�ery
A ssault .
Larceny
Auto Theft
Arson .
Forgery
Fraud
Stolen Property
Vandallsm
Weapons Possession
Selling Narcotics
T:arcotics Possession
DUI
Other Liquor Laws
Disorderly Conduct
Burglary
TOTAL .
- BLAIrE STATISTICS -
AGE
10 & Under 11 & 12 �& 1 — --i�
1
2a
1
21
51
1•
4
4
1
1
1
1
2
66
16
98
2
1
3
1
1
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3
1
1
1
16
148
1 -
15 5 �
58 48 3:
7 6 ;
1 1
2 `
1 1 ;
1 �
1 2
17 16 1
16 15 1
1
3 6
1. 3
16 �. _
139 111 F
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Arson
Attempted Sufcide
Assault
Auto Theft '
Burglary
Curf ew
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Disorderly Canduct
Drinking Offenses
Larceny
Narcotics
iiobbery
Sex Offenses
MAL�
10
9
3
6
3
11
12
6
3
FEMALE
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2
1
3
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Trespassing 14
Truancy 32 11
Vandalism �
Weapons Violations 3
Miscellaneous 2 � 1
Aunaway 22 12
TOTAL 140 30
GRAND TOTAL ALL CASE5:.170
+�Approximately 20� of actual offenses occurring.
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Absenti�is •
Arson - •
Assau2t
quro lheft • "
13urgla ry •
Curfetia ti iolation
llisorderlj� Concluct
Liquor.Violation
harcotics Violation ,
Firearms Violation
Sex Offe�ises
School ProUlems .
Shop;ifting
Tamperin�
T7ieft
Truancy
Vandalis�
I��orr�gible
:-°s�sssing � .
Robbery
Other
Rec,/°oss. Stolen Property
1'raffic
Poss. of ri.eworks
Forgery�
tlarassing Phone Calls
LijPi�SiTIONS
1'OTAL:
'30)'S
151
. 18
• 68
J1
239
9G '
79
� 151
1 Gl
36
3Z
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317
32
305
146
168
33" .
G5
4
Z51
45
10
5.
1
1
2411
G]RL5
232
•5
15
. 5
19
24�
19
38
28
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3
0
244
1
44
110
20
20
7
0
23
1
0
0
0
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DISI�SITIONS OF CCI�IPLAINfS BY IAII'AICE DEPAR'ITfLNT
Ic�=�r Lo. Soc��l Services
l�i�ormat�.on y
Continued
Counseled
Refer to CA/Inf�rmation
Letter to Farents
Refer to CA/Petition
Refer to Court File
Refer to Otl�er Count�
Refer to ProUatio�i Officer
Repr irnand
Restitution
Other �
Reprimand F, Restitution
Refer to IIP •
7'OTAL:
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189
57
25
15
304
832
58
169
180
198
8
38
Z1
7i
Z223
GIRLS
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17
33
3
184
118
23
100
45
53
0
17
4
G7
325
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7C17i'\L
3&3
23
S3
9G
258
120
98
189
IU9
s6
35
6
SGl .
33
34 4
25E
188
53
72
4
174
46
10
5
1
7
3Z75
7'OT{1L
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74
58
18
483
950
81
2G9
225
251
8
55
25
133
�oas
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Reported ByJ
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Parents
Foster/Day Care
School
Police
Annon.
Agency
itelatives
Friend/Neighbors
Victim
o`f Child Abused
O-1
1-3
4-S
6-10
11-13
14 & over
Unknown
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Child Abuse Report 1978
21
17
6
19
21
2
7
9
6
8
116
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Sex of Child Abused
M F
6 9
6 16
7 11
17 22
9 10
7 24
1 1
53 93
e of Abuse
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Physical 66
Sexual 42
Other S
116
Residence of Abused Child
Andovez 3
£enn. Cn. � q
T7:.•i ne • 19 .
Ham Lake ] �
Sp. Lk Pk. E'
Anoka � 15. '
Coa;� R¢�yi.ds 22
Circle Pines 2
Col. Hgts 10
Fridley 14
Lino Lakes 2
Ramsey City 2
CedaY 9
Hugo 1
Eethel 4
E. Bethel
Forest Lake
Wyoming
Lexington
New Brighton
Isanti Co.
53
9S total # kids aki�ed
196 (more than 1 in.some
families)
1
1
2
1
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116
Alleged Abuser
Female - 42
Male 89
Unknown p
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Relationship of Alleged Abuser •
Step. ASother 5
Father 38
Step£ather 11
Mother 27 .
Bothez`s Boyfriend 1 . ' ' �
Relative 12
Babysitter 11
Foster Parents � 1 �
Other/ Unknown 24 ` .
Teacher 1 � �
131
Aqe of Alleged Abuser
0-11 6
11-19 �6
20-25 11
2b-35 33
36=45 13
96+ 5
Unknown ' 47
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� the.survey, interest categories vere list
�e grovp. To more�easily evaluate the data
�re designed tor the Elementary age, Teenag
line �+as dra�m across the charts at the 30
:aning 30t of the hi9hest response given in
:xample: Zn the EleJnentary group, the highe
, the biking category; 30t of 63 is approxi�
s dra�.'n at 18.9)_ Responses above this li�
closely.considered for future program pla�
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response r..ark
hat age group.
response s:as 63
tely IS_9_ A line
are areas t� at should
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ELEI�NTARY? Sports - Gy�mnastics and Tenn s
. Art Expressian - Music and D ce •
*Outdoor Education - Biking, anoeing, Camping, � � �
. , . Wild Lif Study_ . �
TEETIAGER: Special Interest - Rent-a-kid, Job binployment, Teen Center .
Sports - Tenn:is .
�'Outdoor Education -•Bik3.ng, C ing, Canoeing
WOHEN: Spoits -.Tennis, Go1P,"Volleyball
Special 2nterest - Cooking, Sewin � �
•Health Screening - Glacoma, Diabe s, Blood Pressure, Ears,
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*Parent Classes - Encourage good u k habits, Deal t+ith Childrens
Emotions, Parent/ hild Relationships, Improving
' child's thinking, coordinatiori and observation
� skilis, Cope with GroWing C3p.
•CoTmnunity Preventive Health Care�- Exercise, Diet S Cormnon Sense,
_ Diets: Facts s Fa lacies, Death s Dying, Healthy
diet on a limited udget, Teaching children good
- health habits_ " -- - ` ' "--- -•--
+Outdcor Education -'Biking, canoei , camping �
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HEN: S rts - Tennis� Golf _� ' '
Special 2nterest.- WoodWOZking, Simp Home Repairs, Furniture .
- Refinishing & Rep r
•Outdoor Education - Biking,.Canoeing, Camping . _
•Healt2a Screening - Glacoma, Diabetes, Blood Pressure,�Ears, Eyes
•Parent Classes - How to"aeal voith Chi arens Emotions, Improving
' Yarent/Chi1d Relatio ships; Impioving child•s�'--- •
,' th iilcing; coordinati n s observation skills
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PROP05ED FAMILY RE50URCE CENTER
CO-ORDINATOR - COUNSEIAR - ADMINISTRATOR
JOB DESCRIPTIONc Dean Sabby
1. To utilize office space designated by the City oS Spring
Lake Park for social services by providing family counseling
services.
2. To e�fectively co-ordinate and work in co-operation with
local school districts, county and private agencies to
provide services within aZl age groups of the community,
that will be responsive to the changing needs of the
community and to directly involve the community when
possible. �
3. To administer and co-ordinate an annual program of
educational services to the community. primarily geared
to prevention of family problems.
4. To develop a positive ear2y intervention program designed
ior the elementary age level that will aid the family.
unit in increasing the self-worth of the child and give
the iamily ogtimism in their ability to £ace personal
and family difficulties. -
5. To seek (with the aid of the Spring Lake Park Ad-Hoc
Human Relations Committee•} funds; federal. state, private
and/or local� to implement an on-going program in family
services.
a. Complete Needs Assessment
b. Grant Applications
c. Proposal Writing
COMMUNITY PROJECT FACILI
JOB DESCRIPTZONi
l. To work in behalf of the p
state. federal, organization.
and develop the program.
2. To promote the goals and o
a. Co-author Grant propo
b. Research and data col
for youth and famiZie
c. Serve on governing bo
Family Resources
d. Assist the Director a
Qualifications:
Youth Service Backgrounds
Mother of four children 1
Girl Scout Leader, Boy Sc
Junior Great Boo�ks discus
Youth Board: Prince of Pe
Vo2unteer tutort Dist. #1
Right to Read Voiunteer C
Chairpersoni Intercultura
Title I committee: Dist.
Yo-Ed Advisory Committees
Human Relations Curriculv.
Title_IV Indian E@ucation
State Dept. Of Educatione
Zee Carlson
ect to aequire local, county,
foundation funds to sustain
jectives of the projects
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ection: Program development
of the Cef�tral Center for
consultant
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on leader 5-6 grade 5 years
e '78
Prince of Peace School
ordinatorsPrince of Peace
Committee Dist. #16
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�ist. #� 16
Consultanta CQE White Studies.
D4ath CQE Dist. # 16
uman Relations Division,
Consultant
Professionals
Re�istered Nurse+Fairview ospital
?0 Credits Post`RK 5tude U of M
Communitye
16 year resident
Fridley League of Women Vo
Mrs. Jaycees, Spring Lake
PTA Ways and Means Chairpe
Co-President Band Boosters
5pring Lake Park Human Rel
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tions Commission •69-79
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.'. INDEPBNDENT SCHOOL.DISTRICT NO. �16
Board of Education Building
8000 Highway 65 N. E,
Minnexpolis, Minnesota 55432
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April 16, 1979
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
On Wednesday, Marth 28, I979, I met with Mrs. Lee Carison
and Mr. Dean Sabby. At that time, they explained to me
their proposed project for a family resource center in
the community of Spring Lake Park, whicr� is part ot
School District No. 16. During that meeting we also
discussed the great need for family seYvices of this
type in this community.
The earfy intervention program which Mrs. Carison and Mr.
Sabby outlined, with its focus on child development and
involvement of families, could be an invaluable service'
to the people of our community. 7heretore, I encourage
support of this project, and hope it will receive the
funding needed to implement it.
Within the near future, I hope to have Mrs. Carlson and
Mr. Sabby present their full proposai to the District
No. 16 Schoo� 3oard
Sincerely, '
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Chris L. Huber, Ph.D.
Superintendent of Schools
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Commentary Presented� City of Spring lake Park
April 16� 1979
Re� Family Resource Center .
It is with pleasure that I endorse the Family Resource Center concept
that you and Mr. Dean 5abby seek to have flinded. Mr. Sabby� who E
have known for years� gives the program credibility vrith his expertise.
His background and experience will enhance the programs success.
Mrs. Lee Carlson has for years been active in the co*nmunity. She
is enthusiastic, and dedicated which offers a necessary ingredient
for this particular commutti�y coricept to succeedo
The need °i'or an effective system of resources and referral has.be-
come increasingly evident to me in my personal experience with
families over these many years. Fear, misconceptions and ignarance
about resaurces available "are evident: '�.
EXAMPLEs Legal questions pertaining to courts and crime prevention:
1. Probationary student
2. Foster placement
Parents need an advocate even if i�ts merely to Iisten to their problems.
Effective Parenting
2. Single Parent
2. Working Parent �
3. Behavior Modification
4. Inter-family Relationships
People are asking� wanting, and needing assistance in these particu2ar
areas.
5ocial Problems�
Financial Assistance .
l. Wel?are
2. Housing
3. Work incentive
Vocational Needsi
1. Drop out
2. Placement
3. Group homes
Special Medical Needsi
1. Physical and mental handicaps
2. Special diagnostic reTerral system
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Druga and Counseling�
1. Counseling
2. Support Groups
Sex Education�
1. Counseling
2. Family Planning
These are but a few off the top. In
downtown Mpls. or St. Paul or to Cour�
has always been one of transportatior�
problem is immediate. appointment de�
difficulties. '
I would like to close by making
time to time over the years invested
projects, so why not make a human in
at the resu2t bur investment returns.�
Thank You.
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ty services. A problem. however�
and appointments. When the
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7,pri1 13, 1979
The City Council
1301 81st Ave NE
Spring Lake Park
of Sprin.g Lake Park
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f�.�:;iiy s2� vices c�,�ier
Dear T7ayor and Mer�bers of City Council:
I have had several meetings �xi'th Dean Sabby. He has described
to me the dream that has emerged out of the committee which
was £ormed at the initiation of Spring Lake Park's construction
of its new municipal faci2ities. In our meetings, we conferr,ed
about the ne�eds of young peoole, especially elementary age
children_ One of the big need�s is in prev�ntion of chemS.cal
dependency. School people in.this area have also pointed out
-the educational needs in this subject.
One of the reasons Dean Sabby visited me was to obtain infor-
mation about the beginnings of North Suburban Family Service
Center. I shared our history, both of our oroanization and
of our programs, with him. Of special interest was the role
of the City of Coon Rapids and the other funding sources in
our growth. ' �
In sharing our visions of the needs of the community, I see
Dean's focus on elementary age children anc'k their education
in family skills as complemeting greatly the programs of
counseling type treatment we have at North Suburban Family
Service Center. I would also forsee a great deal of refer.rals
possible between our agencies.
Overall, I was quite impressed by the foresightedness of the
City of Spring Lake Park in constructing a municipal facility
�with a look toward the huma�i service needs of the area. I was
also impressed by .the professionalism and the organizational
ability ot Dean Sabby. ,
I�oould like to add that I, as director o£ North Suburban `.
Family Sezvice Center, wouid u� very much in support of the
program described by Dean Sabby. I would be glad to help in
whatever way seemed appropriate. .
YOUTS�
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Don Sdegscheider
Director of )�uman Services
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Vice Chairwoman Gabel called the June 12� 1979� meeting of the Appeals Commission
to order at 7:40 P.M.
ROLL CALLc
Members Preeent: Mr. P1emeZ� Mr. Kemper� Ms. Gabel� Mr. Barna
' Membera Absent: Ms. Schnabel
� Others Present: Mr. Clark, Community elopment Administrator
i. ar�o� ap�i.s cor2�ssiorr rurnmES: Y i5 i979:
M(7PION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr. Ple 1, to approve the l�7ay 15� 197g, minutes
of the Appeals Commission.
N�. Barna stated that on page S� the fir large paragragh� the second sentence
from the end� the word "missing" should changed to "not seeing".
Ms. Gabel stated that on page 20� the si h paragraph� the words "in that area"
should be added to the last sentence in t paragraph.
�ON A VOICE VOTE� qLL VOTING AYE� VICE IRWOMAN GABEL DECLARED THE MINt1PES
APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
2, REQ[JEST FOR VARIANCES PURSUANT TO C 20 OF THE FRIDLEY CIfiY CODE TO
REi)UCE THE BUII.DItiG SE7'BACK FRQ1 THE l�{EET RIGHI'-OF-WAY FROM 35 FF�T TO 15
F ANII TO REDUCE THE PARICING SETSA FROM S�REET RIGIi'P-OF-WAY FROM 20 FEET
TO 5 FEET BOTH FROM NORTH PROFERTY :iE; TO RIDUCE THE PARKING SETBACK
FROM THE S1RF,ET RIGfFP-OF-WAY PRO�I 20 EET TO FEET FROM THE WEST PROPERTY
LINE: TO RIDUCE THN: PARKING SETBACK ROM STRF.ET RIGHT-Or -WAY FROe�i 2(} FF:ET
.. . 4uwyaa{y� �c>�. 1iC11�L"E(i HYCi1LLC iv�c.� rc-i
2�(YPION by Mr. Kemper� seconded by Mr. Pl
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
tIEARING OPEN AT 7:k5 P.M.
Mr. Thomas Langseth came forward and sta
Compaqy.
Ms. Gabel read the Administrative Staff :
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.� to open the Public Hearing.
RWOMAN GABEL I7ECLAFiED TAE PUBLIC
he was representing the Graves
as follows:
pPPEALS COtR9ISSI0PI MF�`PII'dG� JUl`lE 12, 1979 PAGE 2
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ADt�{ZNISTRI�TIVI: STAI'F REPORT
5701 University Avenue N.E.
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A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVB� BY REQUIREMIIdTS: -
205.103, 4n, tll, requires that permitted buildings and uses excegt .,
automobile parking and loading spaces, driveways,'essential service,
walY.s, and p3anting spaces shall not be closer to any public right of
way than 35 feet. A setback of 20 feet is required for off street parking.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to maintain adequate setbacks
for aesthetic open areas around commercial structures.
205.104, lE, $1, prohibits off-street parking in any portion of the
required 20 foot front yard.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to limit visual encroachment
into neighboring sight lines and to allow for aesthetically pleasiny open
areas adjacent to public right of ways.
B. STATED HARDSIiIP: . . . . .
Buildiriq site is bordered on three sides by streets. "
C. ADIdINISTRATI9E STAE'P REVIEW:
' The site is bowided on three sides by p�lic right of ways which does
render the site very difficult to build on with a commercial building
and still pmvide sufficient parking without some Code variances. The
staff has no stipt�lations it would recommend if the Board recommended
the a7proval of- the variances Yequested.
Mr, Langaeth gave the Commissioners a copy of the plans.
Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Clark wY�y there were two difYerent drawingsY
Mr. Clark stated that the petitioner� Mr. Langseth� had talked to the Planning
Department that morning. A change was made in the size�of the building. The
drawing in the agenda indicated a building size of 90 x�14. The drawing they
brought in this morning showed a size of 110 x�+5 and was later reduced to 108 x
43, They building they should consider here would be 108 x 43. The on]�+ variance
affected would be the one on the south and it would reduce ti�at one from 17 to 15.
So� instead of reducing the parking setback Yrom 20 to 17 feet as stated in the
notice� it wou].d reduce it from 20 to 15 feet.
Ms. Gebel stated that she thought that would require another notice.
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pPPEALB COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE
Mr. Clark stated that he underst'oal that
Attorney about this. IY they have an ex
exiating condition ia zero� and as long.
is presently there, they would not need
Ma. Gabel stated that she would still q'
this before. She noted that this would
ask Mr. Herrick for a legal opinion on
Mr. Langaeth stated that the plans were �
that they do meet the code requirements :
They increased the size of the building
stated that as far as the variances go� '
C]ark had referred to. He also stated t:
other words� the two rows of parking wou
does go to.the property line and they wo'
and would be in line with what's on the
mentioned talay that at the existin� ope,
suggeated that when the new service road
Gas Station� they move their 3ngress and
avoid traffic problems.
Ms. Gabel asked i£ the ne�+ size oY the
coverage requirement2
Mr, Langseth stated it would. The lot
would be 4,64�+ square Yeet. The lot is
Mr. Plemel asked if they were going to
Mr.•I.angaeth stated they would tear it
dorm and it would be a decorative lot.
but they do not have a definite tenant
Ms. Gabel asked wY�y 57th F'lace was the
is supposed to be the front7
Mr. Clark stated that they couldn't get
on double frontage lots it states they �
Mr. Langseth stated that 1n this case�
and iP they had to go 35 �eet on all t
buildi.ng there. Ae stated that what t
the best possible image.
Mr. Clark stated,that it wouldnTt make
be 35 feet to the building and 20 feet
Ms. Gabel asked if they had an;y tenants
PAGE
fr. Boardman had talked to the City
ting condition� and right now the
the new epndition is more than what
uariance.
ion this because they hsd never done
going to Council and suggested they
before it goes to Council.
se to what was proposed and also stated
the parking and for the drive-throughs.
ictly from an economic stand point. He
on],y one affected was the one Mr.
they don't have bumper to bumper� in
go tb. the berm. Right now� the aephalt
create a berm that would be landscaped
er side of the property. Mr. Boardman
g there is present]y a median and he
mes in around the future Super America
xess to that point alsa. This would
; would stay unfler the 40� I.ot
19�000 square Peet and the building
5 x 120 square Yeet.
down the existing buildingY
n. He stated that everything would come
present�y is designated as office-retail�
this time.
yard whea.the narrow side of the lot
sa ofP Hi8lhway k7. He also stated that
have 35 Peet off both streets.
y were bounded on three sides by streets
sides� they would not be able to put a
tr3ed to do off the aervice road is create
difference because they still have to
the parking.
AE'PEAL5 CON�hffSSION MEETSNG, JUPIE 12, 1979 pA� �
Mr. Ltangceth atated they did not have a�y definite tenants� but were talking
to people. The Wenchell bonut proposal fell through. They were looking at
ofPice-retail and wauld meet the parking requirements. In other words� they
couldn't have u 140 seat restaurant. They woul.d l�ve more than enough parking
for a 36 aeat tfir. Donut and the res't offices. That is their intent at this
time. If they used all the space for office� they wou]d definitely Yiave enough
parking.
Ms. Gabel eaked if the rezoning �rould be C-2SY
Mr. Clark stated it would be G2.
Mr. Langseth pointed out that only one lot was involved in the re2oning. The
other three lots were already C-2
Ms. Gabel asked if the pink house would be part of this7
Mr. Langseth stated it would not and that the pink house had 32 lots. He stated
their idea was not to put something there that would be abrasive� but� coneidering
the lot� they would put something that uould be economical],y feasible.
hk�, Clark asked if they eould Yunction without the egress onto 57th P1ace. He
stated there was a problem with people driving through the existing station even
though it is posted that they shouldn�t.
Mr. Langseth stated that they way it would be designed with the berm and the side-
walk� they would not be able to drive straight through� they would have to make
a jog of about 60 feet to get back out onto 57th Avenue. The one problem they
waxld have ie with a tenant on the end, that tenant would prefer facing University
Avenue and would like their door on the west side.. Tt would be an asset to have
an in and out there so there wazld not be congestion for the parkers. What might
happen is that the west side parking would become congested as far aa in and out
gces. They would have to take what is possible and the best thing for the building
Would be to leave that open and deal with the traPfic prob].em by moving� as Mr.
Boardman suggested� the openi.ng to direct line it. There is a]most 175 feet on
the east line of the property. He noted there was a curb on the west end oi' the
south parking that is the length o£ a vehicle. If they went around there� 3t
wouldn't be like it is now, From their standpoint� it would be better to leave
it open� but if it becomes a problem� that would be different. Ii it were all.
office space� there probab�y wouldn't be u�y reason to leave it open� but i#'
they have a tenant like Mr, Donut� they would want it open.
Ms. Gabel noted there were only 21 parking spaces and asked how the ratio was
Pigured?
Mr. Clark stated that the ratio for a restaurant they required 1 stall for every
4 seats and Por an office they required 1 sta]1 Por each 250 feet of office space.
So� Por a 36 seat restaurant� they would need 9 stalls� and for a building of
this size for office� they would need 12 stalls.
Mr. Langseth noted that 20$ to 25�, of the office space would be uaed for storage,
etc.
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Mr. Glark reminded hFr. I.�nBseth about th restroom requirements.
Mr. Barna asked Mr. Langseth if they wo try to hsve lesses signed on a1l three
sections before they begin constructionY
Mr. Langseth stated he was not sure, but�o matter what� they were proceeding.
He noted they had put about 100 hours wo so far into this.
Ms. Gabel noted that they would have to ep in mind that they only had 21
parking stslls and there was no more roo available to expand the parking. So
they would have to Yind tenants that wo be compatible with the avai7.ab]_e
park3ng. She also stated that she was c cerned about the openi.ng� and asked..
if they could label one of the openinga an exit on1yY .
Mr. Barna stated that most people would
traYfic.
Ms. Gabel asked if the Engineering
Mr. Clark stated that it went through t
when the service drive is located goi.n�
uP•
try to exit on 57th because of the
l�ad looked at thisY
office� and their comment was that
h, the driveway ofi 57th would line
Mr. Lsngseth stated that in regards to b king up and getting in and out� there
is more than adequate space available fo mobility in the parking lot. They met
the code and xere looked at by Mr. Boa . He also stated that if they changed
the access ofY 57th Avenue� it would kil the @eal. They must have the opportunity
to get in and out on 57th Avenue.
Mr, Barna asked if Mr. Donut would have �
Mr. I,angseth stated they would not have �
Ms. Gabel asked if they would have a ire�
be signed4
Mr. Lsngseth stated that he understood t:
handle all three tenants and also the bu
Mr. Ple�l asked if they would use the e:
Nh�. Langseth stated they *aould take that
the green erea. He stated they would ha
Ma. Gabel asked about the existing light
Mr. Langseth stated they would eome down
Mr, Barna asked about the underground ta
Mr. Clark stated they wou].d have to be e
service window on the west side?
service window.
standing sign or if the building would
could have a PYlon sign which wculd
n�s would be signed.
sign?
e down and the new one would be in
to follow the guidelines of the City.
remwed or filled with sand.
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APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 12, 1979 PAGE 6
Ms.' Grace Msithisen� 3148 - 57th P].ace NE� came forWard and stated she was concerned
about the traP£ic.
Ms. Gabe1 e�cplained the plan to Ms. Mathisen.
P�is. Ma�hisen,asked how mueh dictance there would be between her property and the
buildin�? •
Mr. Clark stated there would be 15 feet from the building to lxer property line
and 5 Peet from the parking to her property litte.
Ms. Mathisen asked i£ a road would boarder her property?
Mr. Langseth stated that no road would boarder her property.
N,s. Mathisen asked if the Pence would be on their property line?
Mr. Clark stated it could be within 6 inches of their property line.
Ms. Mathisen noted there was a slope there and asked if a retaining wall would
be there.
Mr. Langseth stated it would be properly ].andscaped and if a retaining wal], were
necessary they would do that. He stated that the buildin� would be appealing and
so would the landscaping. T11ey would meet the standards.
Ms. Gabel atated that the grading and landscaping would be inspected by the
City. ,
Ms. Mathisen asked where the restaurant would be?
Ms. G�bel etated the restaurant Would be the tenant farthest from her house.
Ms. GabeL asked Ms. Mathisen if she had sny ob,jections?
Ms. Mathisen stated tk�at she did noi want her property damaged in ax;y way.
Ms. Gabel stated that the City<Inspectors would make sure it wauld not be.
Ms, Mathisen asked about the lighting?
Ms.-Gabel stated the lighting would have to follow code snd would not be shiuLllp,
directly on her property. She asked Mr. Lan�seth about the trash container and
iP they woul.d have a dumpster outside.and where it would be located?
Mr, Langseth stated he wae not sure where it would be located� but they would
follow the guidelines. It would be screened. The original drawing indlcated it
would be aa enclosed structure witt� doors. He etated they were aware ehe was
the neighbor and would do a11 they could to make it nice.
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MC)TION by Mr. Ple�l� seconded by Mr. Kem
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE C
iIEAIiING CIASED AT 8:30 P.M.
Mr. Plemel stated that the Yirm had the i,
and it would be a saice building� better t
Mr. Barna stated that he felt it wou].d be
improve the existing traPPic situation.
Mr. Kemper stated that his only concern w
was not the one on the public notice. He
Yelt Gouncil should be aware that the var
Mr. Herrick to give an opinion on that at
Ms. Gabel stated'she had no problem and
it would be better if they knew just wha
was not possible at this point.
MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr.. Bar
of the variances as follows: l�reduce th
of-way from 35 feet to 15 feet, 2) xeduce
oP-way from 20 £eet to 15 feet from the n
parking setback from the street right-of-
property line� and 4) to reduce the parki
fro� 20 feet to 15 feet on the south prop
of an office building at 5701 University
the kth variance was approved different]y
The Public Notice indicated a reduction o
17 feet. Council and I�ix'. Herrick should
UPON A VOICE V07�J ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel stated this would go to Counc
3. VARIANCE R�QUEST PiA:SUANT T0 CHAPTER
THE FROI�`P YP.RD SET}3ACY. P� RObI Ti� RS�U
CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO AN Ex
Request by Bruce Nedegaard, 111 5t,
M(YI'ION by Mr. Kemper� seconded by Mr. Ba'.
iJPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
HEAF?III�i, OPEN AT 8:40 P.M.
Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Nedegaard to come
Report as follows;
, to close the Public Hearing.
GADEL DECLAiiED THE PUBLIC
�est of the neighborhoat at heart
what is there now.
impravement on the site and woutd
s the variance they were acting an
had no objection to acting on it� but
ance was difYerent and would like
the Council meeting.
it wovld be an improvement. She felt
d of tenant there would be� but that
, to recommend to Council approval
building setback from the street right-
he parking setback from street right-
�th property line� 3) to reduce the
y from 20 feet to 5 feet on i:he west
; setback from the street right-of-way
�ty line� to allow the construction ,
�enue NE. Council shoul.d note that
�han was indicated in the Public Notice.
the parking setback from 20 feet to
:t on that change.
GABII, DECLARID TI� MOTION
on Ju]y 9th.
to open the public hearing.
WOMAN GABEL DECLARED THE PLIDLIC-
and read the Administrative StafY
AP1'EAIS COtA�iISSION MFI`TI27G, J[JPLu.' 12s 1979 PAGE 8
ADMIIaISTRATNI; S17cI'P REPOI2T
111-45th I+venue N.E.
A.: PUIILIC PURPOSL � SEI2V�D BY �F2I:QUIR7'1�IENT:
Section 205.053, 4A, requires a front yard setbacY, of not less than
35 feet.
Publ.ic purpose served by this rec�ireiaent is to allow for off-street
�arlciny without encmaching onto the public rigYit of way and also for
aesthetic consideration to reduce the "building line o€ sight°
encroachment into the neighbor's front yard.
B. STATED HARDSII2P:
"We need additional room for the family as the children get older and
reguire more space." •
C. �P.UMINISTRATIVF. STAFF REVIEW:
This house i� located on the corner of 45th Avenue and 2nd Street with
the trouse faciny 45th Avenue. Technicall1 the front yard i.s on 2nd
Street as it is the shoxtest side of the lot. The garage is euiting onto '
45th Isve�iue so there would be no encroachm�nt into the Uoulevard area
for par.kiny witii this additione Tiie house Yo the north of this lot is
facing 7iid Street and is set bac}; Lhe required 35 £eet but there is
approximately 38 feeT. betwee.n the.addition and this structure to avoid
xeducing the "line of signL-".
Mr, Nedegaaxd gave the Comcnissioners a copy of his plans. He stated that he
faced 45th Avenue and would like a 10 foot variance which would make it 25 feet
ofP 2nd Street rather than 35 feet.
Ms. G�.bel stated tk�at even though Mr. Nedegaard faces 45th Avenue� 2nd Street
was cazsidered the front yard because it is the narrow part of tk�e lot. 5he
noted that it was a nice house and well kept.
Mr. Clark stated the house across the street had done the same thing.
Ms. Gabel asked if the hedges were on his propertyY �
Mr. Nedegaard stated thst'some oY the hedges sat on his property� but they belonged
to his neighbor. Th�v would remain there.
Ms. Gabel asked if the big tree would remainY
Ns. Nedegaard stated it would. He also stated that the garage was in the front
of the house and it would not look like an ad&ition.
Mr. Plemel asked 3f he was expanding the living area7
a
Mr. Nedegaard atated he wae expanding
one.
Ms. Cabel asked if he would have a full
Mr. Nedegaard stated he would.
size of two of the bedrooms and adding
undex the addition?
Ms. GabeZ noted that the picture indicat there was a'line of shurba and a tree
in the neighbore yard, so they would not e able to see the addition at all.
So� in terms of visual encroachment� the would be none.
Mr. Plemel asked iP the other houses to
Mr. Nedegaard stated that the next two
staggered.
Ms. Gabel noted that there would be no
She asked about the roof line and the s
Mr. Nedegaard stated that he would be do
line would tie in with all new roofing a
There were no co�ents Prom the audience
Mr. Barna asked if the people in Columbi
Mr. Clark stated that they sent one noti
to notifjr the neighbors.
Ms. Gabel asked if Mr. Nedegaard had tal
Mr. Nedegaan3 stated he had not.
I�TION by Mr. Kempery seconded by Mr. P1
UPON A VOICE VO`FE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
HEAItING CTASID AT 8:50 P.M.
north were at 35 feet?
35 feet� but irom there they were
at the corner with the sight line.
the construction himself and the roof
the siding would be the same.
Heights were notified.
to the City FIal1 and it was up to them
to the neighbors across the street?
to close the Public Iiearing.
GABEL DECLARED TY,E PtIDLIC
MOTION by Mr. Barna, aeconded by Mr. Ple l, to approve the request for variance
pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Fridley C y Code� to reduce the front yard setback
, from the required 35 feet to 25 feet to ow the construction of an addition to
an existing house at 111 �+5th Adenue N.E. '
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
tJNANINOUSLY.
Ms. Gabel informed the petitioner that h
�4. VARIANCE REQUES; PURSUANP TO CHAPTER
GABEL DECLARED,THE MOTION CARRIID
was f'ree to get his Building Permit.
OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO ALIAW
� aua• /�-rJ�� •
APPEAL5 CO2+IMISSION MEE'fI21(;t JUNE 12, 1979 - PAGE i�
MOTION by Mr, Barna� seconded by Mr. Kemper, to.open the Public Hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI.L VOTING-AYE� VIC� CHAIl?WOMAN GABEL DECLARED TfIE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 8:51 P,M.
hLs. Gabel asked Mr. Videen to come Pox�ward and. read the Administrative Staff
Report as follo*.rs:
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT-
5614 - 4th Street N.E.
A. PUBIIC PURPOSE SERVED QY REQUIREMENT:
Section 205.0�3, E1, requires that no off-street parking shall
be located in the required front yard.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to reduce visua}
pollution in the front yard.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
The property has no on-site parking at this time. The property
has been sold and FHA requires that an on-site parking area be
provided.
C. ADMINIS7RATIV� STAFF REVIEtd:
Fhe structure on this 40-foot lot has a front yard setback of
approximately 30 feet and the al7ey in thi,s block was vacated
prohibiting off-street parking firom the alley. The only feasible
way to get the.parki�ig off the street and on to the property
vrould be to allow rarking in the front yard.
Mr. Videen showed the Coinmissioners a copy oY a picture taken of the area and
pointed out that he had no access to the rear yard. He would like to put a
22 £oot by 10 foot drivewe�y along the south property line. What he would like'
to,do is get the curb cut. He steted there was only 3 feet on each side of hia
house.
Ms. Gabel agreed there was no access to the bsek yard and noted that the a7.].ey
was vacated which eliminated access into the back. Another house had a gara�e
which could not be used because of the alley being vacated.
Mr. Kemper asked if those people had used that gsrageT
Mr. Videen stated that as far as he knows there has never been a car in tk�st garage.
m
a
'Mr. Videen etated he had sold the house
FHA Loan. FHA won't approve the loan u
Mr. Barna stated that all they were rea
situstion and allowing.him to pave what
curb cut. Iie state3 there was no other
the clearance was from the house to the
Mr. Videen stated it was about 3 feet.
Ms. Gabel asked what the requirement wa
Mr. Clark stated there was no requireme;
Mr. t�ideen stated that he wovld like to
it is in the front yard.
Mr. Barna asked if it would be blacktop
Mr. Videen stated that all the•driveway
two were dirt or gravel.
Ms. Gabel stated they had a new code th
Mr. Videen stated that he intended to p'
required, he would have to do that.
Ms. Gabel stated that they required a h
a�y idea how the alley.was vacated?
Ns. Clark stated he was not sure but a
living there. Also� notices are sent o
Mr. Videen stated it was vacated in 196
Mr. Paul Videen came forward and stated
stated that his company was the fee-own
receiving notices oY public hearings re
not receive a notice of the vacation.
hearing either. They were paying taxes
Mr. Kemper stated that the not3ces were
the address probab],y got the notice for
Mr. Barna stated that in talking about
were talking about a service drive east
Mr. Clark stated it would be between
to the back oY the property.
the people b�ing were �etting an
he can provide off-street parking.
dofng was legalizing an exisi�ing
is pres�ntl,y using and to request the
� to park on that lot. He aeked what
, line on the south side of the lot?
the paved area and the lot line7
but usually they reco�ended 3 i'eet.
11
it as elose to the lot line as possible as
concreteY
in the neighborhoai with the exception of
requixed a hard surface.
gravel on it� but iP a hard surface was
surface. She asked if Mr. Clark had
tion is norma]1y requested by the people
at he was the petitioner's father. He
of the property and they have not been
dix� this property. Also, they did
y did not receive a notice of this
this property.
frmm the tax ro71s. He stated that
vacation.
property north of 57th Avenue� they
it and asked where it would come inY
buildings� and they still couldn't get
APPEALS COP+�M.TSSION i�LTING, JUNE 12� 1979 ` � PAC,Ey.y�
Ms. Gabel stated that she had talked to the owner oi the house next door and
he had no problems.
Mr. Plemel asked where he parked?
Mr. Gabel atated he had ro� on his property to �et to the sear.
Nir. Plemel stated that he felt Mr. Videen had a real hardship.
Mr. Kemper atated that he was concerned about the notices.
� I�. C1ark stated that the contract purchaser should be notiYied and the occupant
would be notified as long as he was homesteading the property. A renter normal7y
would not be notified.
Mrs. Lois Videen� the petitioner's mother� stated that the address was notified
of the vacation� but apparently the person who was renting there at that ti.me
did not te].1 them about it.
Mr. Plemel stated that the taxpayer address and the property address would be
notified.
Mr. Clark looked it up and stated the notices were delivered door to door.
hh�. Videen asked iP the driveway could be 10 x 22 rather than 10 x 25 in order
to save the tree. He understood that 1Q x 25 was c ale.
Mr. ClarK stated that l0 x 20 was code and there would be no problem with that.
Mr. Barna asked if he didn't have to stay so far. away from the building2
Mr. Clark stated that 'they should try to stay 5 feet away� but he had enough room
here.
Mr. Kenrper`asked if the 25 feet included the boulevardY
Mr. Videen stated it did not.
Mr. Clark stated it was a l0 foot boulevard.
Mr. ICemper stated that he would then pave the 10 foot boulevard plus another 22 feet?
Mr. Videen stated that was correct.
Ms. Gabel asked i£ bSr. Videen would need a bumper stop or something at the end of
the driveway?
Mr. Clark si;ated that he would be eight or ten feet Yrom the house so he didn't
think that would be necessary.
e
PACE
Mr. Clark atated that they didn't ask 4or variances for the front yard eatback�
etc. on this �0 foot lot. He stated they did that intentional.l�y because it is
& legal non-conforming use and if asked f r the variances� it wmuld be very
difficul,t to deal with them. The intent f the code is thst a legal non-conformi.ng
use like this� if the house is destroyed� the lots comply.
Mr. Plemel asked when this house was
Mr. Paul Videen stated it was built in
MO'PION by Nir. Kemper� seconded by Mr. P.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
FjEARING CLOSID AT 9:12 P.M.
A�TION by Mr. Kemper� seconded by bfr.
of the variance request pursuant to Ch
allaw off-street parking in the front
zoning� (Mul.tiple Dwellings)� the same
UPON A VOIC� VOTE� ALL VOTI11�, AYE� V�CE
CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY.
Ms, Gabel informed the petitioner tl�at
5, VARIANCE
N�TION by Mr. Barna� seconded by A1r. Ke
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
AEARIPiG OPEN AT 9:15 P.M.
to close the Public Hearing.
GABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC
1, to reco�iend to Council approval
205 of the Fridley City Code� to
of a single Pami]y dwelling in R-3
g 5611+ 4th Street NE.
GABEL DECLARID Tf� MOTION
would go to Council on July 9th.
l'n
to open the Public Hearing.
GABEL DECI�ARID TAE PUBLIC
Ms. Gabel noted that the garage was atta hed� not detached. She asked the petitioner,
Mr, David L. Phillips, 6565 Pierce Stree NE� to come forward and read the
Admi.nistrative Staff Report as fallows:
AIk7ASISTRATNF�STAFP R�PORT
6565 Pierce �treet N.E.
p, PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVEU !3Y
Section 205.053, 4B, #4 , requires a�ide yard setUack o£ 5 feet on an
attached garage
' Publir, purpose served by this requir ent is to provide space between
individual structures to re3uce conf �gration ot £ire, to provide access
to the rear yard for emergencies, an to limit the condition of crowding
in a re:,idential neighborhood,
APPFAIS CONlbffSSTON h+ELTISrG, stmrc 12�1979 PAGF i4
P
B.� S'.i:b1T1:D iiARDSIiIP: � � �
"We wish to chanae a one stall c�arage L-o a Lwo sta21 garage as one car
has to sit out and is aged much £aster. than rionnal."
C, �tD:•SIIdIS`.Ci2ATIVL STAI'P� R�VT�Q: ' .
,The exi.sting attached single car gar.age is 10 feet from north property
line,and theg wisl� to add on a 7 foot qarage addition that ivoul3 be
only 3 feet from the line. The neighbor's house to the north is 29 feet
fro;n tl�e co:nmon 1ot linep which would leave more than the 1�_..fooL- mi.nimum
requircnnent between adjo uiing garage and living areas.
Mr. Phillips stated that they had a survey af the tteighbors house and he gave
the Co�issioners a rough sketch of the proposed addition. They took the survey
and measured 29 Peet to his lot line. Ae stated that beiore he '�ought the house
there was a shed there ttnd there were several 4 x 4 posts on the lot. Fihen he
moved there, he tore down the shed'and he neighbor.asked if he could put a fence
on the existing posts� so the fence is about 6 inches into his lot line. It is
9 feet, 4 inches from the existing garage and 10 feet 4 inches to the lot line.
Ms. Gabel asked ii the fence wonld be removedY
Mr. Phillips stated he would leave that to the option of the nei�hbors. If the
neighbor wanted to move it over to his property iine or remove it, that wculd be
Pine, i�3r. Phillips stated that he might have to dig it up and move it over� but
that would be up to the neighbor.
his. Gabel asked how big the add3tion would beY •
Mr. Phillips stated that the existing garage door is 9 Peet wide and a double
garage door is 16 £eet wide� which would be a 7 foot difference. Ae was planning
on moving the garage out 7 feet. The existing garage wsll is 10 feet 4 inches
fraa the property line and if they move it out 7 feet it would be about 3 feet
4 inches from the property line.
Ms. Gabel asked what the total size oY the garage wauld be?
Mr, Phillips stated it would be about 21 x 26. The garage is the entira width
and length of the house.
T✓,r. Plemel stated that it still wouldn't be overly wide2
Mr. Phillips stated that he has one small car and one regular size car and the
txend is toward smsll cars. The garage is 26 feet long so there would be ample
space for storage in the rear. He stated that a similar garage was added to the
house two doors away.
Ls cor�ssYON t�z�rxrrc, ,nm�
Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Phillips iP he had
T�Ir. Phillips stated he had talked to
sits quite a ways away.
Ms. Gabel asked iY he wovld do the work
Mr. Phillips stated that he would do pa
Ms. Gabel s�ked if he wou}.d tie the roof
do about the siding?
Mr. Phillips stated that the contractor
tie in. He planned on repainting the h
0
to the people at 65£31?
they had no �roblem. Their house
of it and have a contractor help.
in and also asked what he would
d help with the roof line and it wou]d
and the �arage when this is done.
Ms. Gabel stated that his plan would mee�the intent of the cale. She asked
if they had talked to an,y other neighbor
Mrs. Phill�.ps stated she had and they ha�
There were no comments from the.audience
M�'PION by Nm. Ple�l, seconded by Mr. Ba
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� i1ICE
HEAI?ING CIASID AT 9:25 P. M.
no problem with it.
to close the Public Hearir�.
GABEL DECLATtED THE PUBLIC
N,r. Plemel stated that he did not see a� problem with this.
NOTION by I�. Plemel� seconded by Mr. B
' to Chapter 205 of the Pridley City Code
an attached garage fr�n the required 5
of an addition to an existing garage at
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE
CARRIED UNANIA70USLY.
Ms, Gabel informed the petitioner that
6, o�r�rt Bvs�ss:
Ms. Gabel stated that in the past•vrlaenev
they have always had to renotify and som
was xenotified. She stated that a non-c
property and here they were tearing down
Mr. Clark stated that he understoal that
zero lot line and they wanted to increas
necessary really. The paved portion of
a zero lot line.
to approve the request pursuant
reduce the side yard setback for
to 3?eet� to allow the construction
Pierce Street NE.
GABEL DECLARED Ti� MOTION
was free to get a Building Permit.
they have et�anged s variance to more�
mes have tabled a petition until it
orming use does not go with the
�e building and starting from scratch.
ecause it was an existing condition of
it to 15 feet� a variance wouldn�t be
e lot is on the lot line. This creates
APPEALS CO2�1f9:lSSTOiI i/`iliTINGi JUz� 12, 1�7� - Pt1GF 1(
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7. Flv�rothtrrr�:rrr:
K4TION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mt'. Kerrr�er� to adjourn the June Z2� z979, meetin�
of the Appeals Coffinission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTIidG AYE� VICE CIIAIRti'OMAN GABEL DECLARID THE NiEE`PIPi:
AD301�t1�D AT 9:30 E'.td.
Resgectful�y Submitted;
�,��-.�/�: ���r-�-
Kati�y She:�on� Recording Secretary
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CITY OF
PLANNING COrAfISSION MEETII�: - JUNE 20, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Harris called the June 20, �979, Planning Co�ission meeting
to order at 7:40 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Barbara Hughes, L�
Peter Treuenfels>
Members Absent: None
Oquist, Dick Harris, Virginia Schnabel,
Langenfeld
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, Ci Planner
Dean Sabby, Spring L e Park Human Rights Covm�ission
Lee Carlson, Spring ke Park Human Rights Commission
APPROVAL OF JUNE 6 1979 PLANNiNG C SSION NIINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by . Treuenfels, to approve the
June 6, 1979, Planning Conmission minu s as written.
Ms. Hughes stated that on page 17, thi paragraph from bottom of page,
"reducing the amount of it" should be hanged to "reducing the amount of
was te" .
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE CHA RSON HARRIS DECLARED THE MIN[1THS
rSPPR(tVED=?.S CDRRECTED.
1. RECEIVE JUNE 7 1979 HUMAN RESOUR S COMhIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, secanded by . Hughes, to receive the June 7, 1979,
Human Resources Commission minutes.
Mr. Trevenfels stated that on,,page 8,
bility of voting machines for the hau
the voti,ng process for the handicap�e
Mr. Langenfeld stated that on page 2,
"Target" should be "Fridley".
st paragraph, "look into the availa-
apped" should be changed to "look into
of third paragraph, the word,
Ms. Hughes stated that on page 7, unde�Park Systems Plan, D 110-C, the
Parks & Recreatmon Cov�isaion was looki g at that same section and shared
some of the Humanl2Resources Coamiission's concerns over decentralizing or
cenCralizing the parks. She stated they would be taking that into consideration
when they talk about the Comprehensive Development P1an.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 2
hIe. Hughes stated that the Parks & Recreation Co�ission was also going to
look at integrating the handicapped activities into the park program.
Whether these should be special programs and very specific or integrated into
the normal activities was something that needed to be worked on.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYS, CHAIRPERSON HARRIS DECI,ARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. PROPOSAL FOR A"CENTRAL CENTER FOR FAMILY Rfi50URCES" - Dean Sabby and
Lee Carlson, Spring Lake Park Human Rights Coamiission:
Mr. Sabby stated that he and Ms. Carlson were representing the Central Center
for Family Resources. The Center came abou� as the result of a new Spriag Lake
Park Community Center. To build the coom�unity center, the City of Spring Lake
Park needed federal monies and Jim Oberstar stated he would back this program
if the City would provide some community resources rooms in the building.
So, Spring Lake Park built the coamiunity center and had four offices designated
for a community service-type program. Following that, a task force was set
up of representatives from the schools, churches, co�unity members, law
enforc�ent people.
Mr. Sabby stated this was approximately one year ago and at that time, he
was with the Spring Lake Park School District in the counseling capacity in
the Guidance Department. He represented the schools in this task force. The
task force looked first at the needs of Spring Lake Park. They felt that was
much too limiting and, because the school district encompasses part of Fridley
and part of Blaine, they decided it would be best to set up a program that
would meet the needs of the whole co�unity, Spring Lake Park, Blaine,and
Fridley.
Mr. Sabby stated that the Advisory Board gave input as to what was necessary
for a co�nity program. He stated that both Jim Sprungman and Tim Turnbull
of the Fridley Police Department were very helpful.
Mr. Sabby stated that Blaine's statistics for 1978 indicated that out of 783
arrests, over 500 were juven3les. He thought Northtown had contributed to
that as a lot of shopllfCing occurred there. Larceny was also a big item.
He stated that Spring Lake Park's statistics for 1978 indicated 170 juvenile
arreats (approximately 2a% of actual offenses occurring).
Mr. Sabby stated that Jim Sprungman, Fridley Police Department, had provided
statistics for the first quarter of 1979 in Fridley. These statistics indicated
919 total reported offenses, 113 juvenile arresta. Of the juvenile arrests,
23 were handled within the Police Department and 90 were referred to Anoka
County Services.
Mr. Sabby stated he was showing these statistics to the Planning Commission,
because in the process of decid#ng on a program, they needed to know what
was happening in the community. As a result of that information, along with
the input from the schools, churches, police departments, etc., they decided
on the following program:
PLAN�ING CONASLSSII3N MEETING, 3UNE 20, 1979 PAGE 3
1. Conduct parenting programs.
Mr. Sabby stated that since going to the Human Resources Co�ission
meeting on June 7, Onan Corporation had funded $1,500 to the Center
for Jean C1ark's parenting program, "Self-Esteem - A Family Affair"
This wfll be one program which will start in August or early
September.
Ms. Carlson stated that one other reason they selected Ms. Clark's
program was because a portion of that program trains facilitators
that remain in the community.
2. Conduct parent discussion grougs for parents of children in K- 3.
Mr. Sabby stated that Fridley was very fortunate to have an elementary
counselor, Mr. Tony Krall. Mr. Krall was a big influence in getting
this program going, and Mr. Krall was very eager to share this
information with them. This program would be offered in School
District 16.
Mr. Sabby stated that the main purpose of their program was
preventative--getting to the parents and tlie families when they
can still have an impact before the children get into trouble.
3. Conduct discussion groups for parents of children in upper
elementary grades.
Mr. Sabby stated that the stage before adolescenee is very frustrating
for parents. This program waald be available to Blaine, Spring Lake
Park, and Fridley.
4. Family counseling
5. GED (Guidance Equivalency Degree) Training Center
6. Coordinate with other social service agencies and bring resource
people into the community.
A. Probation officer
B. Battered women's group (Mr. Sabby stated that the battered
women's group was already in one of the offices and they
operate a 24-hour telephone hotline.)
C. Social worker
D. Drug counselor
7. Determine additional needs of community through needs assessment.
Mr. Sabby stated that the parenting programs and the family counseling were
the two things they were most interested in provid�ng in the prevention area.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 4
Mr. Sabby stated that it was difficult in get LEAA furiding (which is law
enforcement funding at the state level), because they like facts and
statistica. So, the first step is to get the co�nunity's support. If
the community is behind the program, the state is more liable to come up
wiCh some matching funds for the program. Mr. Sabby stated that is why
they are unique and why they are trying to get the local support first
before even seeking LEAA funding.
Mr. Sabby stated that most of Fridley's referrals go to Don Wegscheider,
Director of Human Services at North Suburban Family Services Genter.
Mr. Sabby stated he worked closely with Mr. Wegscheider because they wanted
to make sure there were not being redundant. Mr. Wegscheider was very
supportive and sees the Center as being able to refer also, because North
Suburban is more in the treatment area.
Ms. Schnabel asked about what type of financing the Center could get from
Anoka County.
Ms. Carlson stated they were working with the County. Another possibility
was mental health grants and aids-type funding. They were researching all
possibilities at the County level. The last state legislature h3d appropriated
a large increase into the whole health area, but the County was not totally
sure about all the citteria for how the money is to be spent and the actual
breakdown. She stated they would be working closely with the County as these
decisions are made.
Mr. Sabby stated he wanted the Coum�ission to understand that they were not
asking for long term funding for this Center. They wanted local funding to
get the program off the ground, because they feel it will be very successful.
Mr. Langenfeld asked what the Center's goal was as far as dollars?
Mr. Sabby stated that, init3ally, they set $25,000 for the first year to
operate on a half-time basis.
Ms. Carlson stated that their budgeting has to reflect both long range goals
and the actual money in hand. They feel they are now in a safe area in being
able to function well in the first year. However, they would like more money
to be able to fund another half-time counselor (in addition to Mr. Sabby) for
at least this year. She stated for state monies, the grant has to be written
the beginning of duly,_a proposal has to be,in by the end of September, and
funds are allocated as of January l, 1980. So, within their fiscal year,_
July 1- June 30, 1980, there is the possibility of another influx on that
level. They wanted to be totally open as to where they can reasonably antici-
pate funding and where they are going to attempt Co get funding. In terms of
program development, some of it will be written in the form of grants to
specific corporations for specific programs. Their plan is to build a very
solid base of support in the local community.
PLANNING COMNIISSION MLETING JUNE 20 1979 PAGE 5
Mr. Harris stated he had been on the Planning Co�3ssion for seven years,
and he felt he had heard all this before. He stated that a couple of years
ago, SACA (Southern Anoka County Assistance) had presented a similar proposal.
The City had funded some money to that organization and now what had happened
to it?
Mr. Treuenfela stated that he understood that SACA is still in existence
and provides a referral service which evaluates casea that come in and refers
them to appropriate agencies. He felt they did commendable work. He did not
feel there would be an overlapping of services between SACA and the Central
Center for Family Resources.
Ms. Hughes concurred with Mr. Treuenfels. She knew people involved in SACA
and did not see this as a duplication of services.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if, in their needs assessment, they had tried to analyze
how they might a£fect other similar projects or how other projects might
affect them?
Ms. Carlson stated they had, that they had contacted all area services in
comparing and researching their programs and how these other programs related
to them as far as any overlapping.
Ms. Hughes stated the real problem with this kind of program was going to be
in its evaluation. Prevention was not going to show up fox sometimea 13 years
after a child was born.
Ms. Carlson stated it almost required a longitud�nal study. They had
talked about the possibility of writing a research grant to have someone do
that type of study.
Ms. Hughes stated that what they are Likely to see come out of this is the
output kind of ineasures and not the real outcome of the program, which will
not show up for a period of time. It seemed to her that if this kind of
program can be of any use at all, the value in just human resources was going
to be so great and worth the gambYe and certainly worth a few thousand dollars.
Mr. Boardman stated he would Like to see organizations like this gather some
statistics that can be used for the planning process. He thought one of the
key elements in a program like this was not only helping people, but looking
for data and statistics that could be used for planning.
Mr. Harris asked how they would be interacting with the Anoka County Welfare
Board?
Mr. Sabby stated they had two people on their Advisory Board who would
represent that area as far as interaction.
Ms. Schnabel stated she felt this was the kind of program that Anoka County
should be involved in. If the County felt it was a badly needed program,
then the County should be coming up with same dollars.
PLANNING C Q�IISSION MEETING, JI7N6 20, 1979 PAGE 6
Mr. Langenfeld stated he felt if this
sters fram entering the prison system,
save the taxpayers money.
program could prevent fifteen young-
in tax dollars, they would certainly
Ms. Carlson stated that if they can prevent a few cases of child abuse,
it would certainly be well worth it in human terma.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Human Resources Commission was impressed
with this proposal, but had some questions similar to those voiced by the
Planning Co�ission members. He referred to page 5 of the Human Resources
Commission minutes. The Human Resources Commission felt they could be of
service by getting some background information regarding the availability
of se rvices in this area. They would presenC this information to the Planning
Commission.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Sabby and Ms. Carlson how much money they would be
requesting from the City of Fridley?
Mr. Sabby stated that the City of Blaine had contributed $5,000; the Spring
Lake Park Lions Club had contributed $5,000� the Spring Lake Park VFW had
contributed $6,Q00; and Onan had contxibuted $1,500 for the parenting program.
They would like to request $5,000 from the City of Fridley.
Mr. Harris stated he would like the Planning Commission to table this item
until the Human Resources Commission could come back with the background
information and until Staff could research on where the City was budget-
wise,_so that all the information would be ready to go on to City Council.
Mr. Sabby stated that sounded very fair to them. Mr. Sabby and Ms. Carlson
stated that if there were any questions in the meantime, they could be reached
mornings at 780-3036. (Lee Carlson's home phone: 786-3884. Dean Sabby's
home phone: 757-5248) They also extended an invitation for the Planning
Commission members to stop by and see their facility.
Mr. Boardman stated he felt very encouraged by this program. He thought a
lot of things were happening with the pressures of today, social pressures,
and different needs within the community. He felt it was the City's
responsibility, as well as the County's and everybody's responsibility to
try to find out what those pressures are and how to deal with those kinds
of pressures. With this preventative-type of program, they may be able to
get some facts and figures and do something about the pressures that might
be causing some of the problems in this society. He felt ie was very
important that this program be followed through. No matter what the recommenda-
tion is on this proposal, he felt there should be a strong reco�endation
that some people sit down at all levels and try to work out some coordination,
at least within Anoka County, as to what is going on.
Ms, Hughes stated she was very encouraged about this kind of program and
in this area. She knew people who would go far distances for this kind of
counseling. She had lmown Ms. Carlson for many years and had confidence in
everything she was involved in. She stated she knew some of the members on
the Advisory Board and was very encouraged by that.
PLANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 7
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Mr. Harris thanked Ms. Carlson and Mr. Sabby for their presentation.
3. RECEIVE JUNE 12, 1979, APPEALS COMMISSION MIANTES:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ma. Hughes, to receive the June 12, 1979,
Appeals Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris
declared the motion carried unanimously.
4. CONTINUED: COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENi' PLAN
Mr. Boardman stated the Planning Department was preaently in the process
of reorganizing the document to make it a more palatable document to understand.
A genesal strategy for laying out the entire document with an overall compre-
hensive plan map will be at the beginning of the document instead of the
introduction. Then each section will have a strategy lay-out, going into
goals, objectives, and policy statements.
Mr. Boardman stated that, at this point, they had not yet decided what to do
with the inventory. It had been suggested at the Environmental Quality
Co�ission meeting that the inventory be put in a separate document.
Mr. Boardman stated they hoped to have the revised document completed and
ready for typing by the end of June.
MOTION by t�lr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to continue discussion
on the Comprehensive Development Plan until the revised document is completed.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the motion
carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris declared a 15-minute recess at 9:30 p.m.
Chairperson Harris reconvened the meeting at 9:45 p.m.
5. CONTINUED; PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZOPIING:
Page 18 -
205.047 Automobile Parking
Mr. Boardman stated that Item E. Stall Size should probably be changed to
read: "All parking stalls shall follow standards as set up under a document
'How to Plan Parking Areas' that we use to define those standards.
Mr. Boardman stated the same thing would be true of Item F. Driveway
Requirements.
PLANNING C�IISSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 8
Page 19 -
Mr. Boardman stated that again, on this page, the comment from the Appeals
Coumission was that this area shouklbe "except for R1 and R2".
G- 1. Change "25 feet" to "20 feet"
I. Truck Berths, �k2: Loading and unloading facilities are to be located
in the rear yard; or side yard if properly screened by a solid 6-foot fence,
substantial construction or other screening approved by the Zoning Administrator."
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman if he thought a 6-foot high solid screen fence
was going to do much good in these particular situations?
Mr. Boardman stated they had not much luck as far as screening. They preferred
to get the loading and unloading facilities in the rear yard, but they could
not always get them in the rear yard. So, they tried to screen as closely
as posaible. He thought they had been doing that with landscaping rather
than a fence.
Mr. Harris stated that, from his experience, he felt those 6-foot solid screen
fences seem to be junk collectors.
Mr. Boardman suggested they reword �'k2 to read; "Loading and unloading
facilities are to be located in the rear yard or side yard if pxoperly screened."
Mr. Boardman stated the Commission might want to talk about what constitutes
a"loading and unloading facility". Should they write samething like "loading
and unloading dock facilities shouLd be located in the rear yard?"
Mr. Harris stated that it was not always possible to have them located in
the rear yard. When you are talking about a loading facility, you are talking
about a lot more than a truck berth.
Mr. Boardman stated that maybe in �k2, they should ta�k about "outside loading
and unloading docks must be in the rear yard", because they were concerned
mainly about docks, and leave �3 as it is.
Mr. Harris agreed with that.
Page 20 -
205.048 Performance Standards
1- B. Eliminate the word "morals" in the fourth 1ine.
1- A. "All materials and equipment shall be kept in a building or shall be
fully screened, so as not to be visible from any public right-of-way or adjoining
property.°
PLANNING COM�SiSSION MEETING, JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 9
Mr. Harris stated he had problems with that statement. What was the
definition of "all materials and equipment"? Did this mean a person had
to screen hia boat sitting along side his house, or a snowmobile, or
recreational vehicles, trailers, stacked firewood,etc.?
Mr. Boardman stated there were a 1ot of problems with that, and he did not
really know how they could control those problems.
Mr. Harris stated he also had problems with, "fully screened, so as not to be
visible from any public right-of-way or adjoining property". He felt it
depends on the situation and location. For example, it was impossible for
Carter-Day to screen their large equipment. It did not m ake sense to have
a 6-foot high fence and try to screen a 15-foot trailer. It gets very
expensive to store that kind of equipment.
Mr. Boardman stated that Mr. Harris had asked the question of what constitutes
"all materials and equipment". If a resident wants to stoxe material or has
objectionable material, the resident should be required to either move that
material or have it screened. Right now they can only go in on a public
nuisance violation and tag the violator.
Mr. Harris stated there was another problem not yet discuased and that was
the amount of vandalism in Fridley. It was tremendous. The solid screened
areas are beautiful--you can't see a thing, including the police! He said
it bothered him that the City is always telling the business, haneowner, and
property owner to do this and this and this. Everytime, we turn around and
try to protect ourselves, the City seems to come up with another ordinance or
another idea such as solid screened fencing and nice shrubberg. The City wants
acreening and the police say they can't see in where all the stuff is, so
someone is going to have to make up his mind.
Ms. Hughes stated she agreed with Mr. Harris. There were economic impacts
on this, for example, requiring garages and off-street parking that encourages
people to drive rather than use mass transit and,some other thinga she had
problems with in a zoning ordinance.
Mr. Oquist stated that on one hand, it is coatly and has some affect on
vandalism. On the other hand, if you don't screen somehow, particularly in
residential areas, there is going to be all kinds of debris for people to
look at.
Ms. Schnabel stated that lack of screening can also sometimes be a public
nuisance.
Mr. Harris stated he agreed. Where residential areas were involved, he was
all for preserving the neighborhood, but that did not seem to be happening.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 20, 1979 PAGE 10
Ms. Schnabel stated she goes back to the fact that if there was not an
ordinance like this, _the City would not have any authority to require screening
for Ehe things that really needed screening. There are certain viaual
pollution things she thought ought to be screened, and there were many
examples in Fridley.
Mr. Boardman stated he thought you could screen the majority of clutter from
the visual line with a 6-foot high fence. The question was: What do you
want to screen or what can you require to be screened without requiring all
outside storage to be screened?
Mr. Harris stated that maybe the screening situation should be looked at on
a zoning basis as to what can be required in a co�ercial zane, M1 zone,
and M2 zone.
Mr. Boardman stated the problem with that is there is so much scattered
zoning throughout the entire city.
Ms. Schnabel suggested that Mr. Harris come up with some wording that would
better state what he would like to see in that portion of the zoning ordinance
and bring it back to the Planning Commiss3on.
Mr. Harris agreed and stated that maybe he and Mr. Boardman could sit down
and try to work something out.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue discussion
on Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairperson Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
6. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Northtown Corridor River Crossing
Ms. Hughes stated she wouLd like to alert the Commisaion about this
item. The Parks & Recreation Commission was aware of it and were
going to follow up on it. She stated that MnDOT, Metropolitan Council,
Anoka County, Hennepin County, and some neighboring communities have
been involved in the study of the Northtown Corridor and the crossing
of the Mississippi River. This study was entitled, "First Level
Evaluation of Alternatives of Thoroughfare 610" dated February 1979 and
prepared by Bather, Ringrose, � Wolsfeld (BRW).
Ms. Hughes stated the consultant had an informal hearing in Coon Rapids
on June 11. One of the alternative crossings of the river was going
across at 85th Ave. in Fridley, the southern route. This crossing
would come very close to North Park.
Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks & Recreation Commission would like to
ask the City to.look into this situation in much greater detail and
to find out what is actually happening. They were really asking the
City to join in the study, if that was still possible.
PLANNING C�f[1ISSION MEETING JUNE 20 1979 PAGE 11
Mr. Langenfeld stated he thought it was strange that the City did not
know about the meeting until the very dag it took place.
Ms. Hughea stated that what had happened was that sometime in the past,
Fridley had made the decision not to join in on this particular review.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Environmental Quality Commission talked
about this at their meeting on June 19, and they came to the conclusion
that Staff would evaluate the EIS and all the on-coming procedures and
inform the Environmental Quality Commisaion accordingly, rather than the
EQC making decisions on piecemeal information.
Mr. Boardman stated that from what he understood, there were actually
three alternatives: a northerly crossing, a southerly crossing, or no
crossing. None of these alternatives actually came within the City of
Fridley's land per se. The southerly crossing goes north of Breckenridge
Island and connects either into the new realigned Highway 10 or the old
Highway 10 north of the Northtown area. The concerns the City may have
is what the environmental impacts of that southerly crossing will be on
Eridley as far as noise pollution, and an EIS has not yet been done on it.
Mr. Boardman stated that he and Mr. Qureahi were involved in the Management
Task Force in the Northtown Corridor Study in 1974-75. They had opted
out of the continuing Task Force, primarily because all the access points
and all of the land acquisition was taking place in Coon Rapids, Blaine,
and co�unities to the west. The Task Force would have involved a city
expenditure of cost for hiring the consultant. They felt at that point
in time that the City did not really need to get involved in the actual
hiring of the consultant when Fridley was not going to be affected by
any acquisition of City property. That decision was made because the
corridor area was going to go north of Fridley. What they should do now
is just keep very close tabs on the thing and keep a close watch on the
EIS .
Mr. Boardman stated there was also a concern expressed by the Environmental
Quality Commission about the new alignment of Highway 10 just north of the
old Highway 10. That is in the process of an EIS. Within the EIS,
the Department of Natural Resources was talking about the disruption of
wetlands and how it ia going to affect the two creeks off of which'fhe
wetlands feed. One of these creeks is Spring Brook Creek. So, the City
is very cancerned about that EIS.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he gets rather upset with the Department of
Natural Resources because of the conflict with them over the wetlands
in the North Innsbruck area versus laws, etc. He really felt that the
Planning Commission should think about a statement made at the last
Environmental Quality Commission that, in the event the City did not
get involved in preliminary hearings, they could lose scope and a few
other essential grips on what is taking place. He really felt the City
should become involved almost yesterday.
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Mr. Boardman stated he felt it was very difficult at this time for the
City to get into the Management Task Force because of the expenditure
of monies and that type of thing. That was the purpose of the Management
Task Force. He thought the main involvement should and wi11 come in
evaluating some of the things that c�e up.
Ms. Hughes stated she just wanted the Planning Conm�ission to be aware of
this problem and to be ready to follow whatever information comes from
Staff.
Mr. Harris stated that the Planning Co�ission had the information
requested from Staff on the Nitschke request for a three-unit townhouse
development. The City Council has asked the Planning Commission to examine
that and give them a new set of proposals for a possible ordinance change
and how to handle any further requeats of that kind.
Mr. Boardman stated he thought the City Council had tabled the Nitschke
request and sent it back to the Planning Coum�ission for further study
on all types of issues like this. He stated he would probably want to
sit down with the city attorneys to see what can and cannot be legally
done as to restricting property use.
Mr. Harris stated this whole subject should again be put on the Planning
Commission agenda.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the
June 20, 1979, Planning Co�ission meeting adjourned at 11:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Ly Saba
Recording Secretary