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PL 08/22/1979 - 6660PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ROLL CALL: CALL TO OROER: APPROVE PLANNI CITY OF FRIDLEY AGENDA WEDNESDAY, AU6UST 22, 1979 APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 8> 1979 1. 'ARING: J 7:30 P.M. PAGES iTl, 1.-12 r-zi FOR A 22 - 30 Section 205.157, 5, D, to a11ow the construction of two dwellin9s on Lots 27-30, Block S, Riverview Neights, in CPR-2 zoning, (flood plain), the same being 8125 and 8133 Riverview Terrace N.E. - 2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE 31 ER IT; SP #79-08, BY EXEP1PLAR, INC.: Per Section 205.053, 3, D, to allov� the construction of a double bungalow in R-1 zoning (single family dwelling units), on Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Shaffer's Subdivision No. 1, lying East of the 4Jest 90 feet thereof, the same being 7582-84 Able Street N.E. 3. _. ..._.. . ZOA ��n�� l - 3 5 � �� S�� 36 - 40 Lots 7, 8 and 9, Block 1, Central View Manor, from C-2S (general �°��J � shopping areas) to M-1 (light industrial areas) to a11ow the���,,'� �� � construction of a new industrial building, the same being 1175 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. l�r"� 4. RECEIVE MEMORANDUM FR�M VIRGIL C. HERRICK, CITY ATTORNEY, DATED UST 2, 979. ISSUE: What are the prodecural and subsCantive AT MEETING requirements that must 6e complied with in granting a special use permit, a variance, or a re-zoning cfiange? . 5. CONTINUED: COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN: 6. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHAN6ES IN CHAPTER 205. ZONING 7. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 2, 1979 A. Request for funding by Anoka County Senior Citizen Outreach Program. 8. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 14, 1979 9. OTHER 6USINESS: ADJOURNMENT: SEPARATE SEPARATE SALMON YELLOW SPFCIAL 1d�ETING - PLANNING CO[.9i�tISSiON - AUGUST 1. 1979 CALL TO ORDERi : Chairman Harris called the August 1, 197g� meeting oY the Planning Commission to order at '%�20 P.M. ROLL CALLi Ntembers Present� Ms. Hughes, Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Ms. Schnabel Members Absente Others Present� Mr. Oquist, Mr. Langenfeld Jerry Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Assoe3ate Planner I. CONTIIdUED� COI7PREHENSIVE DEVELOPDIENT PLANi I,AND U5E� Ob:iective 2. Policv 1-D:• � i 0 Mr. Treuenfels asked to what extend public tax money should be used support private business? Pdr. Boardman stated that in some cases it would be very valid to use public money to spur development because the return from the public money used wauld benei'it the community. Mr. Harris stated that the Center City Project was a good example. Ms. Hughes suggested they add one more item to this. "E" would read as iollows: "Plan and encourage the development of under utilized residential land." The Cammissioners concurred. Ob:iective 2, PolicY 2 � The Commissioners agreed this should be change@ to read as follows� "The City should assist business to upgrade commercial and industrial areas." Obiective 7_, Policv 2-B� DZc. }iughes questioned the word"revitalization" and asked if redevelopment wouldn't tivork better? Mr. Boardman statefl that "revitalization" is a broader term and urould include redevelopment and such things as a face lift, etc. 5P�CIAL MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION - AUGUST 1. 1979 � YAUL'' � �bjective 2, Polic.y 2-Bs ' ; • The Commissioners agreed to change thia policy to read as follows� - :!The City should continue to promote revitalization of its commercial and industrial areas through efforts Iike the Center City Projeqt." (Delete "key" and insert "industrial".} �biective 31 Ms. Hughes recommended the vrord "encourage" be changed to "permit only" Mr. Harris questioned whether we had the power to say that. Nlr. Boardman suggested they change the word "encourage" to"assure" or "ensure". The Comriissioners eoncurred. T4r. Treuenfels questioned the word "control" in the statement under Objective 3• " Ms. Hughes suggested they delete the sentence "Piecemeal urbanizationa:." Mr. Treuenfels recommended they keep the sentence but delete the word "totally". The Commissioneru concurred. Ob�ective 3� Policv li Ms. Hughes recomrnended the ivord "promote" be changed to "permit only." N�r. Treuenfels stated that Policy 1-B had the words "permii only" and it vaas in referetzce to the critical areas. I�is. Hughes agreed that would take care of it. bZs. Schnabel stated that Objective 3 was not consistent with the Introduction. D'Ir. Eoardman stated they were ,rewriting the Introduction. Objective 3 PolicY 2-As Ms. 5chnabel asked if the perfo:mance standards and design criteria would be set up in a zoning regulation? Mr. Boardman stated they would be. � SPECIAL 6T�1'sTTNG - PLANNING COT�IMISSION"- AUGUST 1 1979 - PAGE 9 Objective 3, PolicY 3i • Ms, Hughes recommended they change the word "modify" to "adopt". Mr. Boardman stated that referred to the Center City for example. They would have to modify design controls in those areas. Ms. Hughes stated she understood now. Mr. Harris suggested they delete the word "key" in Policy 3-B and 3-C. The Commissioners concurre@. • tds. Hughes suggested the words "The City should protect and reinforce" preface Policies 3-B and 3-C. b4r. Deblon stated that Policy 3 should have the following statement at the endr "These instances includea° Mr. Boardman suggested they put a colon after the word "interest". The Commissioners concurred. Obiective 3, Polic 4�-B� Mr. Harris recoromended they delete the word "key" in Policies 4-B & 4-C. The Commissioners concurred. . Mr. Deblon suggested they put a colon after the word "areas" in Policy 4. � The Commissioners concurred. Ob:iective 4i Mr. Boardman stated this was a typing error and should read� "Ehcourage appropriate land use combinations." Objective 4 Policy 1-A� Ms. Hughes suggested they�change "encourage"'to "set" Dr "designate". Mr. Boardman stated he woul@ rather use the word "sstablish". The Commissioners concurred. Objective 1+ Policy 2-Ai Ms. Schnabel stated that it didn't sound like they had a definite time period in mind and asked if they couldn't tighten that up? Mr. Boardman stated that it rvould be difficult to put a t�.me limit on it. For example, the Center City Project could take 15 years. SPECIAL 1di3ETING - PLANNIPdG COMPAISSION - AUGUST 1, 1979 - PAGE 4 Mr. Baardman stated that the Community Development Commission had recommended adding a sub-policy, but he would like ta make it ' - Policy 4. It would read as follows� "The City should take necessary action to make land available for hou�ing units by re-evaluating its present land zoned industrial." Ms. Schnabel suggested they say "all currently non-residential land" in order to include commercial land also. She suggested they say� "The City should examine present lands not zoned residential to determine feasibility of making sorae of those lands available for housing." The Commissioners concurred. Ms. Hughes stated they should look at R-1 zones to go to higher density. Mr. Boardman suggested they could make a Policy 5 which would read as followsi "The City should examine the feasibility of reclassifying residential to increased density in certain areas." Ms. Schnabel asked if there were any large parcels of vacant residential property other than the Sears Property? , Mr. Boardman showed the Commissioners the map entitled� "Housing Potential". . . The Commissioners concurred with Mr. Boardman's recommendation. Land Use Inventorvs . Dir. Boardman stated there would be some rewrites in the inventory. Fie stated there were a: f@'a .: deficiencies here primarily in regard:, to structure �oundness, conditions of buildings, condition o� housing in the City, etc. This is weak and will be redone. Mr. Harris asked ii the 95� Was a valid figure? ' Mr. Boardman stated it was probably a little higher now and suggested the Commissioners look at the Land Use AZap Plan 1990. This map gives the layout of what the proposed land use will look like. Tt also shows existing land uses and what the land uses are in the surrounding communities. iie stated that the "M"s indicated medium to high density residential. 5ome are existing and some are proposed. He asked that the Commissioners study them when they have time. He stated that the School District had not yet made a determination but had indicated in their Conprehensive Plan that they were looking at closing two more schools. Therefore, P+ir. Boardman put a star near Rice Creek and Stevensot Schools. They anticipated these schools would close by 1983• He stated that he had put a"S" near Parkview because it is being used by the School Distrzct. Mr. Hoardman stated that he had also put Gardena and Riverwood ' Schools into residential land use. D1r. Boardman went on to explain the other maps he had distributed to the Commissioners. NATURAi RlSOURC�S - CRITICAL ARrA - PARKSt Mr. Boardman stated that the Environmental Quality Commission and the Parks and Recreation Commission had done extensiCommission adopt of these areas and he recommended that the Planning the amendments of the two Commissions. He felt it would be negating their work for the Planning Commission to go through it as extensively as the other two Commissions had. A summary of their recommendations was distributed at the last Planning P.Ieeting. Mr. Harris suggested they go through it briefly to see if the Planning Commissioners had any comments. Natural Resources - Introduction� Ms.Hughes recommended.the word "civilized" in the last paragraph be changed to "ecological". Also, she suggested they charige the word "conquer" in the second to last line to "alter". Mr. Treuenfels objected to the word "alter". He preferred the word "aonquer". 44r. Deblon suggested tRe word "exploit". The Commissioners concurred. Mr. Deblon stated this introduction would be rewritten. Plan Direction: Mr. Deblon recommended the word "control" be changed to "management" in the first senience. . The Commissioners concurred. : Ms. Hughes stated they had discussed the various categories and definitions listed under Plan Direction and they recommended they remain as they are. The reason for this recommendation was because oi the way b'Ietro Council deals with this subject. The Commissioners concurred. bZs. Schnabel stated that she had noted that the Environmental Quality Commission had shortened up the first statement under Plan Direction. After the word "environment" it should read as followse "that will enhance and protect natural resources from developments that may poten- tially �enerate adverse effects." , Mr. Deblon stated that statement would be followed with the follo�ving statementi "These natural resources includei" . The Commi�sioners concurred. SP�CIAL MEETING - PLANNING CODIP�ISSION - AUGUST 1, 1979 - PAG� F, Mr. Harris stated that it sounded good, but how would they handle i't unless they rewrite their zoning code? - Mr. Boardman stated that was what they were doing. They would be required to provide a site preparation plan, prepare a survey w�th vegetation stands, etc. Ms. Schnabel stated they should ask for a reforestation plan with each proposal. Mr. Boardman agreed. Mr. Harris stated that the.DNR had come up with some new ideas regarding oak wilt and stated they should discuss that the next time they go through this. Nir. Boardman suggested the Commissioners review the recommendations from the Environmental quality Commission and the Parks and Recreation Cotnmission and make further comments at the next meeting. The Commissioners conburred. Chairman Harris declared a recess at 8:40 P.Pd. and reconvened the meeting at 8s50 P.nY. HOUSING� Introduction: #3a Rir. Boardman stated that the word "on" should be added after the word "iniluences". The Commissioners concurred. Plan Directions ;�li Mr. Harris questioned the term "private investment". Mr. Boardman stated they were talking about seed money to eneourage improvements in neighborhoods and they cvould encourage the improvements be done through private investment. P1an Direction - �{2� Mr. Harris asked what they meant by '�broader range of housing ehoices"? R4r. Boardman stated they were talking about different types of housing such as condominiums, o�mership units, ete. They would like to maintain a housin� cycle irom the first family house to the three or four bedroom house�to a smaller house after the family moves out. srLC1nL r�LL7'ING - PLANNIi1G COLI�AISSION.- Ai3GUST 1 19�9 PAC� 7 Mr. Boardman stated that the Plan pirection in �eneral incorporated thrce main direetion�� Rehabilitation and preservation of neighborhood3, a variety of hou�ing in the housing supply, and also providing resourceu for people who cannot afford housing to get housing. Pnr. Treuenfels stated that one of the reasons people were having troub],e staying in their homes was taxes. Goala Mr. Treuenfels noted that the word "discriminatory" was spelled wrong. Objective 1. Policy 1-Bi � Ms. Schnabel asked how much of that was currently available at the Public Library? Mr. Boardman stated they had just established a Housing Resource Center at the Library. They had given �$,000 towards books and raaterials. On Septenber 15th there will be an Lhergy Day with three consecutive programs. In October; they plan to have 5 programs, one each week, on rehabilitation and home maintenance. In the Spring they plan to have one on landscaping and exterior development, This is a11 part of an expanding program on energy and energy conservation and home maintenanc e . Objective 1. Policv 1-Az Mr. Treuenfels asked what kind of housing improvement programs they were talking about? Pdr. Boardman stated that re�erred to such things as tax increment financing, etc. I�ir. Harris stated that was a high-minded policy but there was a pro- blem. Thsy were saying they were going to promote neighborhood rehab and preservation through private investment and seed mone��. The problem is we tax them £or that and then we replace the streets and gutters and then impose a Special assessnent, Tt might be better to do it in phases. First promo-�e the neighUorhood preservation and then a year or two later, come in with the street improvement programs, etc. RSr. Boardman stated they should consider the cost effectiveness. 1�1r. Harris stated that people might not be able to afford it all in one shot. b4r. Boardman suggested they change it to read: "The City should make public improvements �vhere feasible to coincide ...". Mr. Harris stated that would help. He suggested they look at using some of the block grant money for public improvements. R7r. Boardman stated they could use 25a o� the block grant money for public improvement and it t�rouldn't have anything to do with 1ow or moderate income. But then they could turn around and if it has sometliin� to do with lotiv and moderate income, pay for the improvements through utilities, • SPECIAL P+iEETING - PLANPIIP7C COIt1PATSSION - AUGUST 1, 1979 - PAG� 8 Mr. Harris sug�ested they look into that. ' ,' ; The Commicsioners agreed to having the words "where feasible to coincide with" included. Ubjective 1, PolicY 2� Ms. 5chnabel stated that energy was mentioned frequently throughout this but she was not sure how it related back to the Coal. Mr. Boardman stated that energy was part of suitable housing and living environment. f�s. Schnabel stated that she wasn't sure that energy should be the only focus. HIr. Boardman stated it was the focus of the policy. He didn't see any other area to include it in. It was a large part of housing. P�Ir. Harris referred to the statement under Policy 2-B. The first sentence of that statement would require a major shift of City policy to implement. HIr. Boardman stated that it was the a.ntention all along to go into sin�le family housing with this policy on a mandatory basis at the time of sale. This is stated in Policy 3-A. N1r. Boardman stated that this statement should be placed under the objective. It is really out of place here. ab:iective 2: t�r, Treuenfels questioned the last sentence in the second paragraph in the statement under Objective 2. He asked why condominiums were not included in that statement. He suggested that they change quad- raminiums to condominiums because people were more iamiliar with the term condoniniums. The Commissioners concurred. Obiective 2, PolicY 1-D� Ms. Schnabel asked about land write do�+ms. t�tr. Boardman stated the vrords "lvhere a�ailable" should be added after , the tsord "programs". The Commissioners concurred. Ob.lective 2, PolicY 2i D4s. Schnabel s�ate@ that this posed a dilemma. She asked if there was a concern about the number of existing units being converted to condo- miniumN. . _ . _ _. _ ..�i_ SP�CIA7. t,1�ETITiC - PLANNITaG COP.IP.IISSION � AUGUST 1, 1979 - PAGE 9 . Mr. Boardman 3tated that this referred to new construction. ; Tds. Schnabel asked how they would handle people who want to convert existing structure5 to these same types of units. Nir. Boardman stated there would be some conditions and controls they would have to look at. Ms. Schnabel stated that her point was that some of these statements may not be valid or might need some redirection. Mr. BoardMan stated they were valid with respect to new construction. Mr. Harris stated that they had asked the Community Development Commission to look at the question of conversion. Ms. Hughes stated that Policy 1 ta7.ked about multiple units which tend to be rental units and Policy 2 talked about townhouses and quadraminiums which tend to be ownership units. She asked if that inference was correct.. P+Ir. Boar@man stated that was correct. Policy 1 referred to rental units and Policy 2 referred to owner occupied units. PSs. Schnabel stated that if they were going to encourage this then maybe they should encourage the conversions of existing housing too. bfr. Boardman stated that was not necessarily true. They cau ld achieve a balance with new construction. Ms. Schnabel stated that she still felt there was a conflict there. h4r. Boardman suggested they add "D" to Policy 1 which would read as follotivsi "The City should develop guidelines for conversion of existing housing stock." This would be added to Objective 1, Policy 1. The Commissioners concurred. Ob:jective 2, Polic.y 2: T�is. Hughes siated that the vrords "the supply of" should be added after the word "supplement". � Objective 2, Po1icY 2-Bs � Mr. Harris stated that this statement brought them right back to the question oY 40 foot lots. Mr. BQardman stated that this statement was meant to refer to garage requirements and those types o� things. bTr. Harris stated that then they should say that. .. SPFCIAL I1�ETIPIG - PLANNIP�G COMLtISSION - AUGU5T 1, 1979 - PAG� 10 The Commis�ioners agreed this statement should be changed to read'� °The City should period'zcally review its re�idential zoning ordinances� in order to consider new approaches to the housing problems." � Obiective 2�EolicY 3� T4r, Harris asked what they meant by the word "innovative". b2r.Boardman stated that referred to housing different than current housing. . Obiective 3: b1r. Treuenfels asked what was meant by "composition". Fdr. Deblon stated that referred to single-parent households, non- Telated people,hous.eholds with children, etc, ' J�s, Schnabel questioned the statement regarding rental housing being denied to households with children. She stated that some people pre- fer to live in buildings without chiZdren and she felt they�were justified. �ir. Boardman sta�ed that was discrimination. Mr. Harris stated that it might be segregation but he wasn't sure it was discrimination. � 3ds. �chnabel sta.ted there shouZc3 be some flaxibility. �dr. Boardman stated that he felt the City should support open occupancy 3egislation. . Tds. Hughes noted -that it stated "improved access" not �arantee". ai��ective 3. Policv 2t T�Is. Schnabel recommended they delete the words "owners and renters" and insert the words "landlords and tenants", The Commissioners concurred. �bjective_3,__PolicY 3i Mr.Iiarris stated that they had talked about doing that at one time. Tdr. Deblon stated that this referred to battered women, etc. Ms. Schnabel recommended they alter this statement to read� "emergency shelter and �;roup housing". .. The Commissioners concurred. � • SP�CIAL M�ETING - PLA[JP7ING COP4P,tISSION � AUGUST 1, 1979 - PAGE 11 . - , . , Mr. Treuenfels noted that Polic 9 and_Policy �+ seemed to be related and asked if 1�9 should follow ;��. The Commissioners agreed that Policies 5 and 7 should be combined and Policies 6 and 8 should be combined. Housin�; inventorY+ Mr. Harris stated that paragraph 3 indicated the rate of growth. Para- graph 4 states that by 1980 they would have a total population of 32,500. By 1990, we would have a total population of 34,500. Household size is dropping as indicated further dovm in the paragraph. Nlr. Harris stated £t was not the same ratio. They would be going £rom 3.1g to 2.85. He asked where they got 23�0 more units from that. He s'tated that if you take the population of 1980 which is 32,500 and divifle it by 3.1g it would come out to 10,188 housing units. In 1990 there would be 34,500 divided by 2.85 and that would equal 12,105 housing units. The differenc� would be 1q17 instead of 2300. Pdr. Harris stated that was about 400 units less than projeated and it could make a big difference on our thinking about the zoning. Mr. Boardman stated that P�Ietro Council had said that we need an additional 1840 units. We looked at it and we are looking at an increase of 2000 people. If we have land available that we can use for the additional �+00 and if we can support that many with employment, why not? Mr. Harris stated that he was concerned about whether we actually have the land to do that. If we don't need the additional 4p0, we could make it less dense and do more with open spac�s, et¢. D4r. Boardman stated that they shouldn't take the figures'literally beCause they are aoals based on proje�tion, a�d may not be reached. P�4r. Harris stated that without accurate figures, they could not make accurate projections. Mr. Boardman stated that they would have to look at these figures because of lot of the fi�re� were taken from the Housing Plan. He stated that the problem with the projections was that most of them were from bletro Council and they use federal projection levels. bls. Schnabel stated that when the census figures for 1980 come in it will help considerably. Mr. Boardman agreed and stated that was anot:tier reason wheX they cou].dn�t take the fiaures litErally. The prbjectianN �ere b�sed on,1,470. so thex were somewhat inacburate. The Commissioners continued to discuss the projections and agreed that When the final draft for this plan is ready, the figures would be updated. 47r. Boardman stated that the iigures.change all the time, but i;hey would update t}iem at that time. . _ , . _� . SPrCIAL t4NETIP�G - PI,ANNING COr4P7ISSI0N - AlIGUST ]., 19`l9 rRUis 12 MOTION by I�ls. Schnabel, seconded by Tnr. Treuenfels, to adjourn the ' Augusi; 1, 1979 rrieeting of the Planning Commission. , � IIPOK A VOIC� VOTE, ALZ VOTING AXE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MEETIN� ADJOURNED AT 1Or30 P.M. , Respectfully Submittedt � :7`�� . ���,u Kathy S lton, Recording Secretary m _ . _,.�__ . _.'� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMI�QISSIOt4 M�ETING - AUGUST 8, 1979 CALL TO ORDERi Yice Chairwoman 5chnabel called the August 8, 1979, meeting of the Planning Gommission to order at 7�30 P.M. ROLL CALLi Members Present� P�Is. Hughes, Mr. Treuenfels, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Hora (Mr. Hora left at 9�30 P.M.) Members absenti Mr. Oquist, Mr. Harris (arrived at 7�35 P.M.) _ Mr. Langenfeld (arrived at 9a30 P.M.) Others Present� Jerry Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Associate Planner Dean Saba, Energy Project Committee Giles t,9cConville, Energy Project Committee 1. APPROVE PLANNING COP�fiTISSION MINUTE5� NLY 25, 1979e MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by P�1r. Hora to approve the July 25, 1979� minutes of the Planning Cor.unission. Mr. Treuenfels stated that with the exception of page 1 of the minutes, his name was misspelled throughout the minutes. Ms. Hughes referred to page 6 of the minutes and stated that in her motion, the word "recommend" should be "refer". P:Ys. Hughes also stated that the 6th paragraph on page 10 which begins with "P+Ir. Oquist stated that ...", the last two lines should read as follows "through the County or State agencies". Ms. Hughes also stated that on page 13, the second paragraph, the word "vacationed" should be "vacated". Also on that page, in the 5th paragraph, the word "dupster" should be "dumpster". UPON A VOIGE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE GHAIRWOMAN 5CHNABEL DSCLARED THE P�ZINUTES APPROVED AS CORRECTED. 2. D10TION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to open the Public Hearing. UPON A VOICE VOT�, AI.L VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECI,ARED THE PUBLIC HEARIPIG OPEN AT 7 � 35 P•r�7 • PLANNING COPdtdZSSION MEETING, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 2 b7r. Boardman stated that the church was located at the corner of Mississippi Street and Monroe Street. The church would like to ' operate a day care center in their building. Staff would have no problem with this request. 5ince the operation would include over 10 children, they wauld require State and County approval and licensing. Mr. Alfred Rejman, 633 Bennett Drive, came forward and stated that • his house was right next door to the church. He was not in favor of the day care center because his wife works nights and has to sleep during the day and he felt the noise and car lights frora the parents dropping off the children in the early morning would disturb his wife. Presently, they have a problem with cars in the parking lot at night. The cars race through and make a lot of noise. He did not want to have to listen to it during the day too. Ms. Joan Finney came forward and stated that she had been hired as tiie teacher-director of the school. The school would be called the "Rainbow School and Child Care Center". The hours of operation would be from 6�3o A.P�1, to 6�00 P.B1. She stated ihat they would be putting in a fence i'rom the corner af the church building back to the storage shed. This will keep the children behind the churoh building when they are playing autside, She did not think that the children would be outside playing before 9i00 A.M. She felt they would be outside approximately one hour in the morning and for a couple hours in the evening before the children are picked up. She stated that as far as the lights of the cars in the morning, she had nothing to respond to that, Sn the wintsr, there would be cars with lights on coming into the parking lot. Mr. Harris asked what the ages oi the children would be? Ms. Finney state@ the children would be frora 22 to 5 years of age. Mr. Harris asked if this waid be five days a week? Ms. Finney stated it would. She also stated they would be 2icensed for 40 children and 30 af them wou2d b� day care children. The other 10 children would be nursey school children and would not be there all day. 5o at times there would be a total of 40 children at one time. Ms. Hughes asked what the status of their application was? . Ms. Finney stated that they were licensed through the Welfare Department and they had already been out and had looked through the facility and had given approval. The fire marshall has also given approval. P4r. Harris asked where the children would be picked up and dropped off? Ms. Finney stated they would be picked up and dropped off behind the building in the parking lot with access off &ennett Drive. Ms. Hughes asked i'or a clearer explanation of where the fence would be. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AUGUST 8 19%9 PAGE 3 Ms. Finney indicated to the Commissioners on the map where the fence would be. Mr. Boardman showed the Commissioners an aerial view of the area. Me. Finney indicated on the aerial photograph where the fence would be. ` Mr. Harris suggested a fence around the play ground equipment for their ovm good. L1r, Rejman stated there �vas a driveway into the parking lot which runs right by his window. Mr. Harris asked if they couldn't stipulate that the driveway be closed during the week? Mr. Boardman stated that they could require the church to put a chain across it. Mr. Rejman stated that he did not see why a business should be allowed in a residential area. Ms. Finney stated it was a non-profit organization. Mr. Harris stated that we do allow churches and tkieir accessory uses in a residential area. That has been our policy and he was sure they would continue with it. He further stated that if they close that driveway, it would help with the lights and cars and as far as the noise of cars at night, T�ir. Rejman could.call the police if necessary. Mr. Rejman stated that it was his understanding that the church was supposed to put sone plantings in along his property line as a barrier between his yard and the parking lot. Mr. Harris asked ii a landscaping plan was submitted for the property when the building plans were submitted? Mr. Boardman stated that the only provisions he recalled in the land- scaping plan were for plantings along Bennett Drive. That would have been with the recent addition. He was not sure about when the building was first built ten years ago. The parlcing lot was part of the original 'plan but he was not sure if it was to that extent. It may have been added on to at a later time when the new addition was added. It was paved when the new addition was built. Ms. Schnabel asked if Staff riad received comments from any other neighbors? Mr. Boar@man stated that he was not aware of any. Mr, Rejman stated that if they would plant something along there it would help with the noise, lights and dust. PLANNING COt�4I5SI0N tAEETING, AUGUST 8, "1979 - PAGE 4 Ms. Hughes noted that Mr. Rejman had a fence there and asked what kind of fence it was7 - Mr. Rejman stated it was a 32 foot cyclone fence. Ms. Schnabel noted that any shrub that would be planted would not have any leaves on in the winter anyway, and that's when he would have the. problem of lights. Mr. Boardman also pointed out that it would take quite some time for the shrubs to provide any effective noise screening. Ms. Schnabel asked if the day care center was apansored by the church or by a private organization? Ms. Finny stated that it was sponsored by the church and run by members of the church. The children would not have to be the children of members but from the whole community. It would not be restricted to children of inembers. Ms. Hughes asked who J. H. Roos was? He signed the petition. Ms. Finney stated that J. H. Roos was a member of their child care board and also a member of their trustee commission. He was not able to attend this meeting. Mr. Treuenfels asked if the age restriction of 22 to 5 years was the only restriction7 Ms. Finney stated that was correct. They would not be teaching religion so there would be no restrictions as to religion, race, sex, etc. Pdr. Rejman asked i£ Fridley had any other day care facilities? Mr. Aarris stated they had the iearning Tree and other than that only sma31 day care centers in homes. MOTION by b7s. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to cZose the Public Heaxing. UPON A VOIGE,VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRIt4AN HARRZS DECLARED THE PUIILIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8a10 P.M. �, Ms. Hughes stated that she felt this was a valuable public service and with more and more women going to work, it will be more and more needed. She liked the idea of a non-profit day care center and one that is wi.th- in the community and run by people living in the community. Hopefully, they would have the interests of the City at heart in ierms of their aperations. They would not be likely to do things to antagonize the neighbors. PLANNING COPZMI5SION MEETING, AUGUST 8 1979 - PAGE 5 Mst liughes also stated that they should have some stipulations, one of which would be to close the aceess near the neighbors property. Also, they should be asked to keep the parking lot in good order. Chances are they don't sweep it often enough since the plantings in front are not taken care of very well. They may need to be asked io do that. Also, ihe� should be asked to make sure they don't have the children's activities close to the neighbor's yard. They have a big enough area to avoid that. Ms. Schnabel agreed and stated that some consciousness-raising on the part of the church could be in order especially in regards to the problems oi the neighbors. She felt the two of them could come to a satisfactory solution. She stated she cauld understand the concerns of the neighbor in terms of working nights and sleeping days and the church should be willing to close off that access. Mr. Hora agreed. �r. Treuenfels also agreed especially in light of the fact that Fridley does not have another day care center centrally located. Mr. Karris stated that he felt it was a.good proposal with modifications. He suggested a security fence around the playground equipment ior their own benefit. That kind of equipment would be an attractive nusiance and the church would be liable. Also, soroething could be done with signage ior the egress off of I�,Zonroe Street indicating that pickup and drop off traffic should use the access ofi P�onroe Street only. Mr. Boardman stated that would be required anyway. Mr. Harris stated that it should be stipulated. He also recommended that the church put some plantings and vegQtative screening along the neighbor's property line. He stated that they could possibl� do this in a phase program with the fencing and driveway blockage be�ng done this year and the vegetative screening being done in the Spring. k40TI0N by n4s. 3chnabel, seconded by Pdr. Treuenfels, to recommend to Council approval of the request for Special Use Permit SP #79-�9� Fridley United ZJiethodist Churchs Per Section 20j.051, 3, F, ta allow the church to have a day care center, located on Lots 1-3 and Lots 22- 25, Block 2, Christie's Addition, the same being 666 Mississippi Street N.E., with the following stipulationsi 1) the driveway access to Bennett Street be chained off during the week beginning with the first day of business; 2) proper fence of playground facilities by the first day of business; 3) the church plants a vegetative barrier between their property and the properties located west of the church to be comgleted in the Spring of 1980. The plantings will be approved by Staif. D'is. Finney stated that in regards to the second stipulation, the church Board�had discussed that and felt that the fence would be more attractive to children. D1r. Harris stated tliat by fencing it they were a� leasi iaking action to pre�ent someone from using it. If no action were taken, they could be liable. � Ms. Finney asked how high the fence would have to be7 bSr. Boardman stated that a 4 foot fence would be adequate. PLANNING COPIMTSSION B4EETZNG AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 6 UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALI, YOTING AYE, CHAZRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UTdANZT.90USLY. Mr. Harris informed the petitioner �hat the request had been recommmended to Council for approval with stipulations and would go to Council on August 20, 1919� and suggested that all i�terested parties attend. 3• Mr: Harris stated that this item was to be continued for two weeks at the request of the petitioner. MOTION by IPis. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue the request for Special Use Permit SP #79-Z0, for two weeks. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, CHAIRI�IAN HARRIS DECLARID THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIR�IOUSLY. 4. Mr. Boardman stated that page 23 of the agenda was a plot plan layout. The plot plan indicates a building to the west which is 23x32 and that building is not there. What they are planning on doing is splitting off 20 feet of this lot and adding it on to the house to the west. Mr. Boardman showed the Commissioners an aerial photograph of the area and exp2ained the situation more clearly. He stated that he understood that any garage to be located on the property would be located to the rear of the house with access of£ Riverview Terrace. Dir. Boardman explained to the Commissioners where the lot line would be. John & Gail Estling came forward and showe@ the Commissioners a copy of their survey which showed the lot line more clearly. Ms. Schnabel stated of this split was to was correct? that it was her understanding that the main purpose increase the size of the lot. She asked if that Mr. Harris stated that was correct and it would also give them more parki.ng which they need. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman if 642 Way was a dedicated street? Mr. Boardman stated that he was not sure and that it didn't look like it. He stated 'that they couldn't get a snowplow in there if they wanted to. Mr. Harris suggested they look into that and if it is not vacated, we should do it. Mr. Boardman agreed and stated he would look into it. PLANNING COMMISSION b1�ETING AUGUST 8 1979 PAGE 7 There were no comments from the audience regarding this item. ItilOTIOtd by T.1s. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to recommend to Council approval of the request ior a Lot Split, L.S. ��79-03, by John and Gail Estling� to split off the Nlesterly 20 feet of Lot 1, Block l, Veit's Addition (6440 Riverview Terrace N.E.) and add it to Lot 2, Bloek 2, Veit's Addition (6438 Riverview Terrace N.E.), with the following stipulatione the 6 foot utility easement to the north of the property line will be retained by the City. Mr. Harris stated that it appeared that the lot would be in excess of 9,000 square feet after the split. Mr. Boardman stated that was correct and there was no problem there. Both lots would be in excess of 9,000 square feet. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING Al'E, CFiAIRiti7AN HARRIS DECLARED THE T�IOTION CARRI�D UNANIP�TOUSLY. Mr. Harris informed the petitioner that they had recommended approval to Council and this would appear before Council on August 20, 1979. He suggested all interested parties attend. 5• �t Mr. Boardman recommended they ask the Community Development Commission to handle the consideration of the status of unused alleys and also that they hold SAV /�79-o3• P•Zr. Harris agreed. T+40TION by f�4s. Schnabel, seconded by P1ir. Treuenfels, to send the consider- ation of the status of unused alleys in �idley to the Community Develop- meni Commission for their study and request that the Commission report their findings back to the Planning Commission. Ms. Schnabel stated that the Community Development Commissirn should have the direction and guidance of Staff in studying this. PQr. Boardman agreed, UPON A VOICE VOT�, AT,I, VOTING AYE, CHAIRI4�AN HARRSS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRI�D UNANIP.tOUSLY. MOTION by P�is. Schnabel, seconded by b;r. Treuenfels, to continue SAV request #79-03 for future consideration. UPOTd A VOIGE VOTE, ALL V4TING AY�, CHAIRAIAN iiARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANI840USLY. PLANNING COP��ZSSION T�EETING, AUGUST 8, Z979 - PAGE 8 6, CONTINUF.D� PUBLIC HEARING ON COP�PREHENSIVE PLANt PARKS� 1dOTI0N by MIs. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to approve the goals, o�j'ectives and policies as amended by the Parks & Recreation Commission. Ms. Hughes stated that one of the things they added was an objective on water and there was more emphasis than originally on na�Cural areas and environmental education within the realm of parks and recreation. She stated those were the major differences. A1so, there were a lot of word changes. Mr. Harris stated that he didn't get the feeling if they felt the amount of park acreage was adequate. Ms. Hughes stated that they would like to examine that in light of whether or not the Plan is going ta be a.dopted with the additional 2300 units. She stated they were going to look at aIl the parks to see i#' they should be d.esignated as parks. The Shore is in the pro- cess of being acquired between the County and the City. On an acreage basis, the chances are pretty good, even at our fullest potential for popu2ation, that we will have enough acreage on that rule of thumb, Whether they are all located correctly is another question and whether or not they fit the classifications and the neighborhoods usage is another question. In the impZementation of the parks and open sgace plan, they expect to be going through and reclassifying where necessary to change uses, having new parks and trying to make it a more usable system. rns. HuUhes went on to say that the only place she could remember where they addressed the question af adequate acreage was in the Goal. She had recommended they say in the Goal that they want an adequate park system. She stated that she had originally asked the Park Commission to add a statement on need of a ceritain number of acreas per population or something along that line. Because of the reclassification program, they did not come up with that statement. She stated that they decided not to add in a sta.tement sayfng that they want to meet the national standards mainly because we have a iair amount of County space in here that we don't count in our park system. Mr. Harris asked if they had considered the additional 2300 units in their deliberations? He didn't get a feeling for that. Ms. Hughes stated that in some of the discus�ions in the Planning Commission that had come out and she did take that back to the Parks and Recreation Commission and told them the things the Planning Commission was doing that she felt would iMpact on the actions of the Parks Commissior There were several things she i'elt should be considered and the increase in housing was one of them. The things she suggeste8 they look at were 'the housing and population increase�, the ehanges in age classification of people living here and the redevelopment area in the Center City. That redevelopment area has had significant impacts on us. NIs, liughes stated that the thing she found difficult in the Plan was that they really haven't gone a step iurther and said what our implementation plan would be. PLAIJIdING CONQIISSION �EETING AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 9 Mr. Boardman stated that when we look at this and set up the classifi- i cation system we are setting it up �n acreage. In other words, we are saying what regional parks should be, what community parks should be, ; etc. This is an attempt to try to maintain a park system that will �i fall within that goal. In other words, if we want to adopt a park system that will meet these standards then we wi11 probably have to look at j increasing areas when and where possible. The main thing we do is I allocate by neighborhood in our Park t.4ap. In the T1ap we show those i parks that should be classified as neighborhood parks, although they ; may be small in some areas based on national standards for park facilities,; But they are all we have and £it the function of a neighborhood park. ', 50 our park system shows them as neighborhood parks, and rvhen and where � possible if land becomes available, they should be expanded to service i neighborhood park facilities or service neighborhood park funetions. i However they would still have to function as neighborhood park facilities. '; This is the reason we classify some parks as neighborhood parks and i some as mini parks or service parks. � Mr. Harris stated that he was looking ior a statement in the Park Plan to the effect that i� the City went into any major rezoning project for housing that adequate park space would be acquired in that rezoning to service that neighborhood. EJir. Boardman stated that would be covered under Objective 1, Policy 3. Ms. Schnabel stated that Policy 3-C states they should release excess property, but it doesn't address the reverse. Mr. Boardman referred to Policy 3-B and stated that should cover it. The words "and to tkie City as a vrhole" v+ould be added to that Policy. Mr. Harris stated that he vaanted emphasis that the City will acquire park land if we develop 2300 more units. Y+Is. Hughes s'tated that Objective 1 and the Goal address that and take it into consideration. She stated there was commitment in the Park Commission to follow through on the Goal and Objective. She sta,ted that the Center City is a good example. It is designated as a redevelop- ment area and now is when v�e should be looking at the things we will have to put in there. b4s. Schnabel asked T�Zs. Hughes if she felt the Park Commission and Park Department had enough clout io get the park land they feel is needed. Pds. Hughes stated that she couldn't answer that question. PJtr. Boardman stated that the clout was with Council. Ms. Hughes stated that the Parks Department works hard and wants an A-1 park sysiem. PLANNING COi,'�;TISSION MEETTtIG, AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 10 Ms. Hughes suggested they add a"D" to PoZicy 3 which would read as followsi "The City should acquire adequate park acreage in redeveloped and new residential areas." The Commissioners concurred. Mr. Boardman stated that then we should look at our platting policy. Mr. Harris agreed. bir. Boardman stated that it could alsa be a condition of zoning. Mr. Harris agreed. Mr. Boardman referred to Policy 3-C and stated that the excess property they have looked at eliminating was the Cherry Lane Park behind Target and the Jubilee Park in that same area. They feel that Gak ffill Yark will adequately service that area. Another one that they were looking at was the Riversedge Way. The access is between two houses and doesn't make much sense. Ms. liugnes stated that she did not want Planning to look at that until the Parks Commission had a chance to look at it. T�Tx�. Treuenfels referred to Cbjective 3, Policy 6 and asked what the 'Parks and Recreation Commission had in mind with respect to cultural development? Pds. Hughes stated that was amended to incZude "cultural development, arts, historical preservation and special activities where possible". This would include such things as painting classes, etc., which would provide a wide range of activities and not just for children. b4r. Treuenfels asked ii there had been any cross-talks with the Fine Arts? � T+�s. Hughes stated they had not done that yet. She was hoping they would get into that because they were intereste@ in solitude and quietude with the parks, She stated that was included in Objective 3 which they had amended to includes "physical, social, emotional and edueational needs". _____. Mr. Deblon stated_that they had recommended that be added as Policy 8, Ms. Hughes concurred. UYON A VOIGE VOT�, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRP�iAN HARRIS DECLARED TH� t+40TI0N TO APPROVE THE GOALS, OBJ�CTIVES AP�D POLICIES AS AP+ZEND�D CARRIED UIdANIP�90USI ENVIRONt.4�NTAL RESOURCES� MOTIDI�T by P�Ir. Langenfeld, seconded by tds. Hughes, to approve the Envi nmental Resources section as amended by the Environmental Quality Commission in the minutes of their Special t�7eeting and also according to the recommendations in the draft amendment, PLANTIING COf,if�4ISSI0N PdEETING, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE �1 Mr. Harris stated that he had a question on the Introduction. Mr. Deblon stated that the Introduction would be rewritten. Mr. Harris asked if they had changed the Plan Direction? Mr. Boardman stated they had changed the wording only toi "Intentions are such to develop a plan for conscientious management of the environment, that will enhance and protect natural resources from development that may potentially generate adverse effects." Mr. Boardman also stated that the Introduction would be rewritten with the exception of the last paragraph. In that paragraph, the words "civilized" will be changed to "ecological" and "conquer" will be cfianged to "exploit". The listing following the Plan Direction will remain as is. Mr. Harris asked if Objective 1, Policy 2 had been changed? Ir4s. Hughes stated that her notes indicated that Objective.l, Policy 2 would be changed to readi "The City should adopt regulations to control the amount and quality of urban runoff." Policy 2-A would remain the same but a Policy 2-B would be added as follows; "The City should limit development in areas which create urban runoff." Mr. I,angenfeld stated that her saggested for Policy 2-B eras something to be concerned about. Mr. Harris agreed but asked for a definition of urban runo£f. Mr. Boardman stated that was a term used by P+letro Council. Urban runoff is in a developed or developing suburb as opposed to rural runoff. Urban runofi is after deve].opment. T�Is. Hughes stated that Policy 2-A dealt only with Rice Creek Watershed and she ielt that they should say something for the rest oi the City. I�Zr. Boardman stated that Policy 2 would take care of that. Policy 2-A was stating that they should work with Rice Creek Watershed and neighboring communities to control runoff. Rice Creek was mentioned because it is the only Ulatershed District they have to work with. Ms. Schnabel referred to Policy 5-A and asked what they meant by "sensitive areas". Mr. Boardman stated that re£erred to environmentally sensitive areas such as those listed after the Pla n Direction. Mr. Harris referred to Policy 3 under Objective 1 and asked if they were referring to the recharge areas for the Ciiy wells? A4r. Boardman stated that was not necessarily what they were talking about. They were talking about wetland areas that provide potential not only to our area but to other areas that utilize wells. �_ PLANNING CDP+IPQISSION P�[EETING, AUGUST 8, � 1979 PAGE 12 Mr. Harris questioned that because our recharge areas are outside the City and it didn't sound like this covered that. Ms. Hughes suggested they make the word "supply" plural and change it to "supplies". The Commissioners concurred. Mr. Deblon noted which would read the Public �9aters be Policy 3-A. that there would be a sub-policy unfler Policy 3 as follows� "The City should comply completely with Act, t�linnesota Statute 105.41 and 105.42. That would The Commissioners concurred. P4r. Deblon stated that in Policy 4, the word "promote" should be changed to "enforce", Also there would be a sub-policy 4-A� "The City should implement these atandards through adequate planning, monytoring, and enforcement." Mr, kIarris aslsed who would enforce it? Mr. Boardman stated that the �hvironmental Quality Commission was told that enforcement would require additional man-power. The Commission felt that it would have to be an executive decision to add man-power. Mr, Boardman stated that he agreed with the term "enforce". P�Zs. Hughes noted that the word "should" was in there and also that the burden of decision would be on the Council. She felt it should be enforced. P�Rr. Boardman stated that he felt it wouZd be a matter of priorities. The whole Plan will be based on spending priorities. R�s. 5chnabel referred to PoZi.cy 9-A. She understood they were going to add Spring Brook and asked if they wanted to specifically designate those two bodies of water? Mr. Boardman stated that those were the only �wo bodies of water that the City was monitoring at �his time. It does say "continue". Mr. Harris asked about the other bodies such as Locke I,ake, Rice Creek, etc. Why was l�ioore Lake and Spring Brook receiving special attention? Mr, Boardman stated that the sub-policies only bring out special emphasis and were not the only areas they would be loolting at. The main thing is the Policy which would cover any body of water that required monitoring, The reason P:Ioore Lake is being monitored right now is because of the swimming allowed there. Spring Brook is being monitored because of the sensitive nature of North Park. it'Is. Schnabel stated that it looked like those bodies were receiving special attention. ,.� PLANNING COMMISSION ?�EETI1dG, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 19 Mr. Boardman stated that the River was being monitored by the State and Rice Creek was being monitored by Rice Creek Watershed. The pro- blem with Locke Lake is that it is being filled in with sand. It is not a probleM o:f monitoring. Mr. Langenfeld asked how they would know if Locke Lake was being polluted without monitoring? ' rnr. Boardman stated a lot of times the pollution was visual. Also, it is a matter of priorities. Mr. Harris stated that he would concur with the Commission if they wanted to go along with it, but he was not very happy with it. b7s. Schnabel stated that somebody has to live with this. Mr. Langenfeld stated that the statement was not restrictive. Mr. Harris referred to Objective 4, Policy 2. He felt they should have a stronger statement there. bir. Deblon stated that it was changed to "oppose". . The Commissioners concurred. ' Mr. Treuenfels referred to Objective 4, Policy 3-B and recommended the v�ord "should" be changed to "will". T�Ir. Boardmar. stated that all the statements should be consistent with the use of the word "should" or "will". Ms. Hughes stated that Policy 3 had been changed to "promote and support". Mr. Harris referred to Policy 3-A and asked why it should be limited to residents. He suggested the words "and business" be added after the word "residents". The Commissioners concurred. The Commissioners also agreed to delete the word "assist" and insert the words "resource recycling, composting, and source reduction". UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALI, VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECI,ARED THE PdOTI0P1 CARRTED UNANIi�TOUSLY. • Chairman Harris declared a recess at 10i05 P.PJI. and reconvened the meeting at 10 � 20 P. D�I. CRITICAI, AREASi Tdr. Boardman statefl that the Environmental Quality Commission and the Parks and Recreation Commission reviewed this section and had recommended limited changes. 3ie would like to see those changes approved. PI,ANNING COTlII�1ISSION P�IEETING, AUGUST 8, � 1979 PAGE 14 I+tr. Treuenfels referred to Objective 1, Policy 1-D and asked how that related to the River area? I�Ir. Deblon stated that they would develop river appreciation programs, etc. Mr. Haxris referred to Policy 1-F and asked why that was included? 1�Ir. Boardman stated that it was allowed south of 694. bir. Haxris stated that it should be a clearer statement to that effect. Mr. Boardman suggested they insert the words "where allowed" after the word "Iocation" in Policy 1. The Commissioners agreed. D4r. Harris referred to Policy 1-G and asked if that referred to a barge terminal? P�tr. Boardman stated that they meant something like a marina, or something commercial that relates to the river. He stated that there was a state- ment later on regarding bar�e terminals. He stated that he would have no problem with elirainating Policy 1-F and Policy 1-G. The Commissioners agreed. Policy I-F and 1-G would be de2eted. P�Yr. Harris referred to Objective 2 and stated that he had a problem viith what it didn't say. He would be opposed to the City acquiring any land that is now developed for residential use along the river. Tt doesn't say they are going to do that but doesn't say they aren't either. Policy 1-A bothered him. Mr. Boardman stated that it stated "where possible". Ms. Hughes stated that she flidn't see any problem vaith acguiring R-1 property if it vras available and if it can be brought. P�9r.Harris statsd he was concerned about the other alternatives. He was concerned about condemnation. Pnr. Boardman stated that was possible but not always feasible. tdr. Harris stated that he wanted to officially register his opposition to the City acquiring any R-1 developed property along the river. P.7s. Hughes stated that it should also be on the record that Mr. Harris lives there. b7r. Harris stated that it shou7.d also be on the record that the tlayor, the City Dlanager, and the City Clerk also live there. Mr. Boardman noted that they were not protesting this, Mr. Deblon suggested they delete the word "possible" in Policy 1-A and insert the word "available". Mr. Harris a�reed. � PLANT�IIPdG COt^:P.TISSION MEETING AUGUST 8 1999 PAG� 15 TQs. Hughes stated that she did not think they were looking at condem- nation in the foreseeable future but did not want to close the door either, Mr. Harris stated that all the land along the river was zoned for residential and multiple and there was nv vacant land for access. The access is limited. P.Zr. Lan;enfeld stated that he sees a trend where government steps in and the common people have to step aside. Mr. Harris agreed. P,7s. Hughes stated that it was a question of how �ou define "public good". In some cases "public good" outweighs property rights. She did not feel anybody was going overboard in this community. D4r. Harris agreed to leave the statement as it stands but did want his opposition to condemnation recorded. PRs. Schnabel referred to the Fi54C property mentioned in Policy 1-B, td[r. Boardman stated that ti*as undeveloped property and when it was developed, they were looking at access along the river. Iie also stated that the Riverview Heights Park is in the flood plain and they were looking at acquiring that ior access into the river. bSs. Schnabel stated that the difference was that the Park was already City property but FI,ZC was not. It is not consistenz with the statement in Policy 1 which refers to publicly owned lands. 114r. Boardman agreed that Has a good point. He recommended they delete the reference to FP�ZC property. The Commissioners concurred. P�Ir. Treuenfels stated that he would like the bi�tC prcperty incorporated in a policy someplace in here. T�Is. Hughes recommended they add it as another policy or make it Policy 2, Mr. Boardman suggested they word it as follows� "The City should identify and acquire and develop other available lands for river access." A4r. Harris stated that was r.ot consistent with the Housing Policy. Mr, Boardman stated that it didn't mean they had to acquire the whole property, just a portion for access. ri?r. Harris stated that he had no objection to the FP+TC property, T�7r. Treuenfels asked what constitutes "available" land? P4r. Boardman stated that meant land for �ale or land with a willing seller. PLANI9IS�G COR1I%IISSION t�]FETIPIG, AUGU5T 8, 1979 PAGE 16 t,1r, Harris referred to Policy 1-G. bir, Boardman stated that they changed "encourage" to"allow". P�ir, Harris stated that he had reservations about tree cutting on the river banks. I�e was concerned about erosion. Prir. Boardman stated that this was restricted to pruning, not clear cutting. . P�4s. Schnabel noted that Objective 2, Policy 2-B prohibited barge fleeting areas. NOTIOtd by b4s. Hughes, seconded by P�Ir. Treuenfels, to approve as amended, the section on Critical Areas in the Comprehensive Plan. UPOI1 A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CiiAIRb4AN HARRIS DECLARED THE t�IOTTON CARRILD UNANIi:TOUSLY, P�10TION by tSs. Schnabel, seconded by P�Ir. Langenfeld, to continue the discussion on the Comprehensive Plan, UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CIiAIRPr1AN HfIRRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIIti70USZY. 7. COP1TINtiEDs PROPOSED CHAPdGES TO CHAPT�B 20 ZQNINGe IDi0TI0N by P:Ts. Schnabel, seconded by Pir, Langenield, to continue the discussion on Chapter 205 Zoning. UPON A VO3Cr VpTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CN� IRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE T�lOTION CARRI�D UIdANIT:TOUSLY. 8. RECfiIV� �I�TVIROivtQEP1TAL QUALITY COP:�t,TISSION D'IINUTED � JULY 1? 1979 i B70TI0:1 by r�Ir. Langenfel@, seconded by Pdr. Treuenfels, to receive the Enviroi�mental Quality Commission minutesg T=2s. IIughes referred to page 3, second to the last paragraph, regarding the statement by Dtr. Deblon about the Spring Brook crossing. She asked if that was what he meant? Mr. Deblon stated th� referred to a crossing in Blaine. P1tr, Zangenield stated that at the end of the minutes, it was noted that they had an audience not only £rom Pridley but also from other communities regardin� the impact sta�ement regarding Trunk Highway 10. We indi�ated to them that we were r_ot fuZly aFVare as to what was taking place. They invited them to come again v�hen more information has been acquired. PLANNING COfdPnIS5I0N P�EETItJG, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 17 P�4r. Deblon stated that he had written a letter to the District 5 Project Manager and requested a copy of the �IS for the Cor,imission, a copy of the final EIS, which will be available at the end of the year, and also, a copy of statements made at public hearings, He understood that a decision will be made within six weeks. D4r. Langenfeld referred to page 7 of the minutes regarding their motion to become a member of the North blanagement Committee. btr. Harris asked for what reason we would want to become a member? Highway 10 does not run through the City o£ Fridley. Mr. Deblon stated that the I�4anagement Committee was not for High�vay 1Q. They consider them two sepa.rate projects. One can be developed without �he other. They could have the crosstown without the relocated Highway 10, and vice versa. Plir. Langenfeld to stay on top He felt that a meetings. stated that the reason they wanted to be a member was of the situation and to be in#'ormed of all meetings. proper representative of Fridley should be at the n4r. Deblon stated that the crosstown river crossing will effect us directly tb so�e extent. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPIG AYE, CHAIRr+1AN HARRIS D�CLARED THE PflOTION TO RECEIVE THE P,ZIPNTE5 CARRIED UNAtIIT;IGiISLY. R! TION by t;ir. Langenfeld, seconded by i:7s. Hughes, that the Planning Commissimi adhere to the i:nviron:nental @uality Commission motion to recommend to Council that the City of F'rTdley become a member of the North P:;anagement Committee. Nir. Boardman stated that all we could do was to request that the City become a member. He v+as not sure that we could be a member just be- cause we want to be. The Committee is made up of city personal from the various communities involved. 1Ve could attend the management meetings and the public meetings are open, but we would not have the voice of a member. UPON A VOIGE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPIAN HARRIS DECI,ARED TH�.MOTION CARRIED UNAS4IMOUSLY. N4s. Hughe� noted that there was another motion on page 7 regarding a public hearing on the Northtovm Corridor. P�Zr. Harris stated that he felt this was premature. TvI0TI0N by P"ir. Langenfeld, secor.ded by T:Zr. Treuenfels, that the Planning Commission recommend that a hearing be called on the Northtown Corridor. PLANNING C01'�Ii3ISSI0N b1EETIPJG, AUGUST 8, 1979 PAGE 18' IdOTIOTJ by Ivi�. Hughes, seconded by R4r. Treuenfels, to table the motion by Mr. Langenfeld to call a public hearing on the Northtovm Corridor. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRIi4AN HARRIS DECLARED THE L10TION CARRTED UNANIP�IOUSLY. i2 b90TI0Td by PJlr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the July 23, 1979 Special Ehvironmental Quality minutes. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTTi�'G AYE, CHAIRt�1AN HARRIS DECLARED THE P�IOTZON CARRIED UNANIPrL0U5LY. 10 . RECi IVE ENERGY PROJECT COP�II'.'IITT�E P.1II3UTES : JULY 24�„i 1979 t MOTIOPI by h'ir. Langenfeld, seconded by Tr:s. Schnabel, to receive the .Ttzly <^..L%, 1979 mir_utes of the Energy Project Committee. P�1r. Zangenfeld int�oduced 2vIr. Dean Saba and Prs. GiZes r�icConville and stated that he felt that they had done an excellent job on the �nergy'Project Committe. D4s. Schnabel referred to page 4 of the minutes regarding the Committee continuing. It rvas indicatPd that the members were willing to continue to serve and she felt it was worthwhile for the Council to consider that. R2r, Langenfeld stated that the Committee had indicated that they would like the title of a full fledged ComMission rather than a Committee. Mr. Harris stated that he would like 'to think about that. IIIr. Boardman stated that making it a commission would involve a staff person and offered alternatives as to how it could be handled. They could transfer that flznction from one area to another. For example, the Community Development is an active commission and they co�id look at this as a role of that commission. T+4r. Harris suggested they think about it and put it back on the agenda for futher discussion. btr. Langenfeld stated that the members would like to remain in tact. UPON A VOICy VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRP+iAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PQOTION CARRIED. P�ZOTIoN by Lir. Langenfeld, seconded by fl1r. Treuenfels, to receive the Energy Project Committee Report. PLANNII�G COP�1��fIS5ZON P�1}'sETING, AUGUST 8, � 1979 PAGE 19 tQr. Langenfeld stated that at the esi:ablishment of the Committee, certain goals and objectives were set for them to address. One of the end re�ults was the Chart. The scope indicates that everything has been addressed. Mr. iiarris stated that the Committee had done an excellent job. t�ir. Langenfeld referred to the last sentence in the Scope which states it is NOT the intent of this Policy to formulate precise procedures or to caiegorize specific actions based upon the availability of iue3s used. In other words, they weren't going to come up with a cure for all energy problems. Mr. Harris stated that he thought they had done what they were asked to do and he was pleased with the results. Ms. Schnabel referred to the term "district heating" under Residential Conservation, and asked what that meant? D4r. Langenfeld stated that a simple explanation would be using one boiler to heat more than one huilding. t�4r. Saba stated that a 1oca1 pov+er plant could also be used in residen- tial areas. He stated that 66J of the energy that the Riverside Power Plant burns to make electricty goes up in air. That is energy in the form of heat. 2�' they could capture that heat and use it, it would be quite a savinas. It would be a more efficient use of water heat. Mr. P,icConville stated that the Gity of St. Paul was already using that system in some buildings downtown. P+4s. Hughes stated that density was usually a prerequisite to doing that effectively. Ms. Schnabel also stated that she had noted that under res�dential, there was no specific reference to solar heat. 5he asked if that rvas deliberate. bir. tdcConville stated that was because solar heat, at this poini, is not practical. t!Is. Schnabel stated that she had noted that under Transportation they had listed electric cars first. She asked if this list was according to priorities? IDfr. Saba stated thai this was a list of things they might want to look at and they might add to the list. It was not tlieir intention to list them in order of prz.ority or importance. b45. Schnabel stated that she would be more comfortable if they moved it to the bottom of the li5t. 4,4r. Treuenfels stated that he would like to take issue with that and he felt it should remain at the top. , Y�2r. Saba reiterated that the list was not according to priorities. PLANNII3G COP�u'1ISSIOPd Fil:ETIPiG AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 20 � Mr. Boardman referred to the Transportation section and asked if they didn't mean local level rather than state level. ' Pnr. 5aba stated that was correot. • Tds. Hughes referred to D-Information Resources, and suggested they look at other things such as the Housing Resource Center or the new Nature Center. Mr. Saba a�reed. Ms. Hughes also stated that under Tranaportation they should also be looking at alternatives to new road construction. Mr. Saba stated that they had included bikeway and walking path improvement to make it more practical to use the bicycle or to walk. Mr. McConville stated that they should start looking at bikes as transportation rather than just recreation. T�dr. Saba stated that they should look at road construction at some point in time. UPOPd A YOICE VOT�, ALL VOTING AY�, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE P�10TION CARRILD UNANII'�70USI,Y. P�10TION by P,4r. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to continue the discussion on the energy report. UPOTd A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PilOTIOAT CARRIED Ul`IANIETOUSLY. 11. RECiIVE APPEALS COP.'�:ISSION iytINUTES s JULY 24, 1979 � b10T70N by P:Zs. Schnabel, seconded by 2�1r. Treuenfels, to receive the July 24, 1q79, minutes of the Appaals Commission. Mr. Harris asked about the request in the flood plain. Ms. Schnabel stated that it had been continued at the request of the petitioner. iJPON A VOICE V03'�, A%L VOTING AYE, CHAIRt,1ATd HARRIS DECLARED THE P�ZOTIOYI CARRIED UNAPdIDiOUSLY. 12. CONTIPdUT'.D: DISCUSSION ON CONVERSION OF RENTAI, PROPERTY TO INUZVIDUAL OWi�;ERSHIY PROPLRTYi Ms. Schnabel stated that no action was required here because it had been sent to the Conmunity Development Commission for study. PLAATPIING COP•'�RISSION TiFETITdG, AUGUST 8, 1979 - PAGE 21 OTHER� Mr.Harris requested ihat the minutes from the Special 1�leeting oP the Planning Commission on August 1, 1979, be placed on the agenda for the approval at the next meeting. Mr. Deblon stated that he had talked with the Alderman and their Housing Authority had approved the revised ordinance and their attorney felt it was constitutional with the exception of some of the stipulations. PROTIOPd by P�Is. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to adjourn the Au�ust 8, 1979, meeting of the Planning Commission. UPOn' A VOICL VOTE, ALL VOTItQG AYE, CHAIRI�GAN iiARRIS DECLARED THE Tc1B�TING ADJOURN�D AT 1� t 00 P. UI. Respectfully submitteds � `�i ���.� �. Kathy S elton, Recording Secretary . - , ; � , i PUBLIC HEARING � -21 BEPORE THE I PIANNINr, COh1MISSION Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, August 8, 1979 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: - Consideration of a request for a Special Use Permit, SP #79-10, by Excalibur Homes, Inc., Per Section 205.157, 5, D, of the Fridley City Code, to allow the construction of two new dwellings in CPR-2 Zoning (flood Plain) on Lots 27, 28, 29 and 30> Block 5> Riverview ` Heights, the same being 8125 and 8137 Riverview Terrace N.E. Any and a» persons desiring to be heard shall be given an.opportunity at the above stated time and p]ace. RICHARD H. HARR?S CHAIRMAN PLANNING COP1MISSION Publish: July 25, 1979 August 1, 1979 CI7Y Of FRIDLGY MINNESOTA ' � PLANNING AND ZONING FORM NUMBER SP-79-10 APPLICANT'S SIGNA7URE F.x a �h+�yr Hom_�a�• Tn� , Addtess _7625 Hwv 65 NE M�ls Ma 55432 Telephor� Number 78fi-6914 PROPERTY 0{4NER'S SIGNATURE Address ) � TYPE OF REQUEST Rezoning �� X Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- . inary � Final Plat Streets or Alley ' Vacations Other Telephone Number '-- (/3.�� Fee�QReceipt No, P� �� Street Location of Progerty $125 S Riverview Terrace Legal Description of Property �t$ 2� thrn 30, Block S, Riverview Hieghts Present Zoning C2assification R 1 Existing Use of Property_ Vacant Acreage of Property 100 X 110 Describe briefly the proposed zoning classificatios. . ' or type of use and improvement proposed Two Single Family Residence 3m�ES 6� SO -- 1 � � . i . i � n d . y � Has the present app14'cant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it?__yes X no. What was requested and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this app]ication. (b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility £or any defect in the proceedings xesulting from the failure to list the names and addresses ot alI residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the follotaing: 1. North Airection. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. ' 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet) The undersigned hereby deciares that all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. DATE �uly 12,�1479 ; Date Filed Date of Hearing P1lnning Commission Approved (dates) Denied HOMES, City Council Approved (dates) Denied MA1L1N6 LIST Request for a special Use Permit � SP �79-10, and variance by Excalibur Homes, Inc. on Lots 27 through 30 Block S. Excalibur Hames, Inc. 7625 Hwy. 65 N.E. Mpls, MN. 55432 Roger Olson & Connie M 696 Hugo Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 John & Karleen Rice 683 Glencae Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Planning Commission 7-20-79 Appeals Commission 7-20-79 �I � ' 23 ,' Casper Y. Dosch 677 Nugo Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Howe George F. & Connie E11iot •695 Hugo Street N.E. • Fridley, MN 55432 Chester & Margaret Schack 685 Glencoe �ireet N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Viola M. Teig Rout l Isanti, MN 55�40 Thomas J. Dalton 1420 Silver lake Rd. Nevt Brighton, MN 55112 Allan C. Mattson 7950 E. River Rd. Mpls., MN 55432 Daniel L. & Pamela J. St. Clair 81A1 Riverview Serrace Fridley, MN 55432 Gerald A& Jeanine E. Blille 680 Hugo Street N.E. • Fridley, MN 55432 Richard A. & Magdaline E. Burgess 6%0 Hugo Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Douglas & Patricia Cloutier 666 Hugo Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 t�ary 5. Masonick 669 Hugo Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 a Donald & Porothea Schneppmueller 8151 Riverview Terrace Fridley, MN 55432 N V - . . ` . �1�\ ` •. • Robert M. Lindbloom 8181 Riverview Terrace Fridley, MN 55432 Kim D& Vicki J. Wall 8065 Riverview Terrace Fridley, MN 55432 Robert 6. & Vaughncille G. Johnson 680 Glencoe Street N.E. Fridley, MN 55432 Joel & Kathleen Dumphy 670 Glencoe Street N.E. Fridley, MN __ 55432 ....__ _.. ..__.... _ .-- _._....._ ..._ ... ...... ......___ _.. ..,� ,�u `iGe.rftr `lluifJiu�.'. °d'nok,�. °Alraurnor:�. 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CITY COUPICIL CITY OF FRIDLEY 6431 UNIVERSITY AVENUE FRIDLEY� MIMlESOTA 55432 DEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS: JULY 23, 1979 . 25 RE: REQUEST FOR VARIANCE OF MINIMUvi PROPER7Y REQUIREMENT — LOTS 27 S 28� BLOCK 5, AND LO1'S 29 & 30, BLOCK 5, RIVERVItIJ NEIGHTS AS IS OBVIOUS BY THE ATTACHED DTAGRPMS, THE LOTS FOR WHICH WE SEEK THE ABOVE VARIANCE FALL SHORT OF FRIDLEY'S MINIMUM PROPERTY REQUIREMQJT. WE HAVE RESEN2CHED ALL REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES PRIOR 70 SEEKING SUCH VARIANCE AND FfAVE CONCLUDED THAT OBTAtNING THE VARIANCE POR EACH LOT TS THE aNLY FEASIBLE CAURSE OF ACTION. THE FIRST AND FOREI�tOST CONSIDERATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE A80VE LOTS IS THE SUITABILITY OF THE L1WD FOR C�PiSTRUCTION. WE FOIddD THAT SOTH LOTS ARE BELOW THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THUS WOULD REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF FILL TO BRING THEM TO BUILDIN� CONDITION. 7HE ES7IM4TED CQST OF REQUIRED FILL PER LOT IS $4,000. IF THE LOTS WERE COMBINED, A TOTAL COST OF' $8,000 WOULD BE ADDED TO A SII�LE PEICE OF PROPERTY. THE PRESETIT PRICE OF EACH LOT IS $6,500. IF THE LOTS WERE COMBINEp, THIS PRICE WOULD DOUBLE TO $13,000. ADDED TO THE CQST OF THE REQUIRED F�LL FOR THE COMBJNED LOT, THE PRICE � THE LOT WOULD THEN BE $21,U0�. OBVIOUSLY THIS SUM WWLD BE FAR OUT OF THE CURRENT PRICE RANGE FOR THE AREA. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION ALONG THESE LINES IS THE COST OF SODDING� A REQUIREMtTl7 OF THE CITY. THE AGGREGATE COST OF SODDING THE TWO LO7S IS $2,400. IF THE LOTS PIERE COMBINED, THIS ENTIRE COST WOULD BE PASSED ONTO �IE PEICE OF PROPERTY, INCREASING THE PRICE OF A SINGLE LOT WHICH IS ALREADY OUT OF ITS MARKET RANGE. SHOIR.D A VARIANCE BE GRANTED THE ABOVE LISTED COSTS CPN BE DIVIDED PUTTING 7FiE PRICE IN THE ARFA OF $12,000 WHICH IS CERTAINLY IN LINE WTTH CURRENT PRICES OF THE AREA. CONTINGENT UPON RECEIVING A VARIANCE FROM THE CITY 0� FRIDLEY, WE HAVE PUT 7625 HIGHWAY 65 N. E. • FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432 � 786-6911 2s � ;� TO�ETHER A PROPOSED HDME PACKP&E FOR EACH OF THE LOTS. THE TOTAL PACKPGE WAS PRICED AT $67,000. BOTH PACKAGES WERE SUBMITTED FOR PROSPECTIVE BUYERS TO THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION FOR FINANCE APPROVAL AND APPRAISAL. THE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS ARE APPROVED FOR V.A. MORTGAGES. THE V.A. APPROVED BOTH HOMES AS THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE SITUATED ON THE TWO LOTS. HOWEVER� THE APPRAISAL GIVEN TO THE PACKAGE WAS ONLY $63�000. THE REASON GIVEN FOR THE LOWER APPRAISAL WAS �OPISIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBORING AREA. THIS DFJ�IONSTRATES FdGAIN, THE IMPRACi'IBILITY OF COMBINING THE TWO LOTS TO BE MARKETED AS A SINGLE LOT FOR A PRICE OF $23,400, DCCLUSIVE OF ANY AC7UAL CONSTRUCTION EXPENSE. _. , ATTACHED ARE THREE DIAGRlSMS 11�BLED A, B, AND C. DIAGRMI A DEPICTS THE SAME HOUSE PROPOSED FOR EACH OF THE TWO EXISTING LOTS ON A SINGLE COMBINED LOT. WITH THE ADDED EXPENSE OF THE SECOND LOT, THTS HOME WOULD IdOW COST $72,250. EVEN TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE ADDITIONAL 11>ND ENCOMPASSED IN THE PACKAGE, THE APPRAISAL WOULD NO7 EVETI COME CLOSE TO THE WRCHASE PRICE, ESPECIALLY AS IT WAS NOTED THAT ADJOINING AREA COMPARABLES WAS THE RFASON FOR'THE LOWER APPRAISAL GIVEN TO WR PROPOSED PACKAGES. AS INDICATED IN THIS DIAGWSM, THE DRAINAGE AREA ON THE PROPERTY PlOULD CERTAINLY BE INCREASED, HOWEVER THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD NOT WARRANT SUCH AN EXTREME PRICE FOR THIS TYPE HOME. DIAGRAM B SHOWS A T—SHAPED I-�ME, 28� BY 46' WITH A FORhV�L FOYER AND A 24' BY 30� ATTACHED GARAGE. THIS IS THE SIZE HOME THA'f 4t0U�D FIT THE COMBINED SINGLE LO7. THE COST OF THIS HOME WOIRD BE $87,900. AGAIN, OUT PRICED FOR THE ARFJ1. FURTHER, THE DRAINAGE AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOME WOULD NOT CHANGE AND THE DRP.INIkGE AREA TO THE SOUTH QF THE HOME WOULD INCREASE ONLY BY 2.5'• DIPfRAM C SFiOWS A 24' BY 40' HOME WITH A 20' BY 24' ATTACHED GARP&E SITUATF� IN I.INE WITH EXISTIt�G HOMES. 'Ifl THIS INSTANCE, THE DRAINAGE AREAS �1 BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE HOME REMAIN THE S/aME. THE PRICE OF THIS FIOME WOUID BE $74,900 ALSO OUT OF THE AREA PRICE RANGE. IT SHOULD BE BETWEEN 7HE H�1E5 CONTROL THE MEANS PROBLtT1S. NOTED THAT THE SHORT SInE LOTS OF OUR TWO PROPOSED HOMES ARE THAT CERTIFIED WOULD CONSTRUCT. WE WOULD THEREFORE BE ABLE TO OF DRAINAGE IN THIS MTNIMAL AREA TO INSURE P&AINST ANY DRAINAGE WE WWLD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TWO LOTS IN QUESTION WERE PLATTED PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISFN1ENT � THE MINIMI.M PROPERTY DIMENSION REQUIRF1�lENT. WE BELEIVE THAT THIS IS A POINT OF CONSIDERATION. HAD THESE PLATS BEEN RECOP,DED SUBSEQUENT TO THE hJZiJIMI�I STANDARD, WE WOULD NOT BE ENCOUNTERING OUR CURRENT PROBLEM. WE FEEL THAT THE ABOVE EXPLANATIONS EVIDENCE THE NEED FOR THE REQUESTED VARIANCE. THE HOMES PROPOSED FOR THE EXISTING LOTS WOULD ENHANCE THE AESTHETIC ASPECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADD TO THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE AREA. DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOTS 4AULD CERTAINLY BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THEIR PRESENT STATES AND WE DO NOT FORSEE THAT THE ADJOINING HOMES WOULD INCUR ANY HARDSHIP DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED hIOMES. WE TFIANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER. VERY T ULY YOURS� � i RNi-L'—P"R BORG yICE'PRESZDENT .� �if�l��ll'\ 11��11 11NN111111�'Ilf �.•.urnq. .Imm� n�r n�.nnuvl w.ih� 1 �• dAeJWM A. .x'x aJ rla�+e ruuc covo�a e�a. d%�,4d0 6G9lEt /��.1p' ' 43! • dl011 � `ICeirrr �lYl. Gr�.�1r.�mi R.nnd °e5arveyur •Z7 ihcarcr `IlailJi���. :Anuka. °Alinnrsut�. 55303 yopQgraphic Surrey vnd Pr�op�sed G'rad�9 P/o� ivr : � CER7/FlEO HONiES, /NC. � I ihu propaieJ o%n F/q�ropf.e n'vey rxr A�m/ i� anJ ,d.w/✓ br n+id � ' . laydbe/' w./b Cerl/i'iavle' ef Swv�r do/t�i Nµ�:l 1I /Y➢Y /'w� /oJt Z7i?8. b/e�k. S. - pnd /a/i ?9i� [�lvcF 9 a// in !At �/u/ eF 9/YfRY/fW //f/GH7S� 9�o Cwn�y �I/iwk�e%, A!6Y.Q ✓Nf:ao/ Oaf�m � ���� . � . . � . . �(ttfq •Q`ro✓et Fi.i/�.y Fbrof.w+. 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PU6LIC IiEARING (3EFORE TNE PLANHINr, C01•1MISSION Notice is hereby given that there will be a Publ�ic Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 Universiiy Avenue Northeast on 4lednesday, August 22, 1979 in the Council Chamber at 7:3D P.M. for the purpose of; Consideration of a request for a Special � � Use Permit, SP #79-08, by Exemplar, Inc., . . per Section 205.053, 3, D, to allow the construction of a double bungalow in.R-1 zoning (single fami9y dwelling uniis), on Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Shaffer's Sub- ' division No. 1, 7ying East of the West - 90 feet thereof, the same being 7582- � 7584 Able Street N.E. . Any and all pQrsons desiring to be heard shal] be given an opportunity at the above stated time and place. � � RICHARD H, HARRIS � CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: August 8, 1979 August 15, 1979 � '31 n ,�� .-�. CITY Of FRIDLHY MINNGSOTA NUNf6ER #�%7�OS PLANNING AND ZONING fORM �)c2r�piar, I�c. APPLICANT�S SIGNATURE�p.�'J:�„/Rr�c . ! 3113 T ow.,v� eK. Ave. NE.�/'rplr. ssyi� Address ^��-z�,—�j�-�/�-7i-7v�—��" ca.�r.—j Telephone Number 7 8'1-/ Y Z 9 PROP�RTY OWNER�S SIGNATURE S a� Q Address Telephone Number StreeC Location of Property 7Giti t Able 5� A(��Sw co.��� 32 TYPE OF REQUEST Rezoning ��� 3��( �_ Special Use Permit Approval af Premin- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations " ' Other . / Fee�Receipt No. ,3y i �SSalSS� G� Legal Description of Property �ari oF �ofs I�� �/o�k 3 S1aFFert S�abd�v;s�o� /�0, � ly�`.q Sart .F t1.c 4'est 90 Feet �tie�eoF� A..oka Cou iy, �"�n, � Present Zoning Classi£ication � Existing Use of Property r/ �can � lo f /5�V o �o— Acreage of Property ly�,g � a sq, �{ Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification --�--- , or type of use and improvement proposed �"o - bu i% r� d o c� b l bu n aa�ow Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it?_�es X no. IQhat was requested and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet)• The undersigned hereby declares that all the £acts and representations stated in this agplication are true and correct. DATE � k � � /d. l979 SIGNATUR�G�i�e,av�'l,! �, S�r��Q^-�- _— Date Filed Date of Hearing �� °�OY 79 � tPlanning Commission Approved City Council Approved ` (dates) Denicd (dates) Uenicd^ MAILING LIST SP #79-08, Exempiar, Inc. Build Double bungalow in R-1 zoning Ed-Ray Builders 7651 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Exemplar, Inc. Theodore Hosten Pres. 3213 Townview Avanwe N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55418 Mr. & Mrs. William Jordan 895 76th Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. &"Mrs. Dale Schmidt 7696 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Breslin 7686 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Stanford 7676 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Dorothy M. Smuder 7666 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, 14n 55432 Ms. Oarlene Jones 7656 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. John C. Bernardson 876 -76th Avenue N.E. Fridley> Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Lein 7550 Able Street N.E. Fridtey, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Irvin Luebeck 7528 Able Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 P�annin9 Commission 8-7-79 _ ._. . _ City CaunciT ' � i � 33 - Russel Beck 7527 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, P4n 55432 Mr. Anton Nesse 7541 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, P1n 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Myron Holum 7555 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridiey, F�n 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Howard Condiff 7561 Van Buren Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 a .�;�: ' Iar+dPlorvuny / lad Su-rey%ny ' .��rs k,�� Ctwl G �tf�rrKipo! ' frt�mrtrvi� � � � . ...�� .�. ...a, ._.., ..�-�.. F� �•-sm; f "=a, - . , . .. L. .. ...,._..__. .. ��...-�.s �,5..:;;:_,�... ' SP#79-08, Exemplar, Inc. ' " ��'" . 3q �: .;; ; , ,: ^ J ti875.H�fi,�w, �cg ,ve. 875 L.J MnrrivfnbsJt, ErJGINEER[NG, lNC. ��°'° su,K��cor� . . � � . . �. � . . . . - . . _. -- Fn9ineers £ SurverJo�s . � . � . . . � .. : � ' � . - ' , .Y. '. . ceata�acate o� saasweJ Fo: �, o-���o�,� SG�;v _ 7 6 � , . . Ar� s'w .+ ` �� r. ;r � � � ; ' �, �- V c O �. � � l � t't � :,. �/Y•L.�_ . .. 7��i i j - :: .. � .. , ; : : _ .. "?+�., x. 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(363�) (Slo4� , I' HOGoadr i�t.��"+e.��✓�/ � �ifl.1/M60iia<He �,��Jrir/ . � .B � '� � i� y" h I� i PU[iLIC HEARING [iEFORE THE PIANNING C01�114ISS10N - Notice is hereby given that thera will be a Public Nearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on 4lednesday, Auuust 22, 1979 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of; • . C�nsideration of a rezoning request, ZOA N79-O6, by James E. London and Michael D Gannucci, to � � rezone 1_ot 7> 8 and 9, Block 1, Central View t4anor from C-2S (general shopping areas) to M-1 (light industrial areas) to allovr the constructi�n . . of a nevr industrial building, lying in the North �, Half of Section 12, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, 36 :• ICounty of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally Jocated at 1175 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. . _ � . . _ �My and a11 persons desiring to be heard sha11 be given an.opQortunity at the above staied time and Qlace, ; ' RICHARD H. .HARRIS • , CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: August 8, 1979 � August 15, 1979 , . - ..,...�, . r^^ CITY Or PRIDLCY MINNCSUTA PLANNING AND ZONINC FORM NUMl3GR D� 7 -a ,��,,,�s �'. ,co�ao.� APPLICAN'C'S SIGNAIURE �t�iuef �. G[[n.vucc.i Address (04-�¢( �kilitrSi��• H�<. lJ,E. TYPE OP RGQUEST 7� Rexoning —'t� 37 Special Use Permit Telephone Number .5 7/ 3 9 r� Approval of Premin- ^ inary $ Final Plat PROPERTY OWNER'S SIGNAT E r,.�G�... ,.�-�°' Streets or Alley VacaCions Address Telephone Numbex � ' . Street Location of Property ?.3 %s f7v�nu e�/•�. _ Other � Fe����Receipt No.9� 53Y__ Legal Description of Property,(p�{s 7, 8'*9 .Q/�� /�e��r4� �« /%�aHOr Present Zoning Classification C-r2 5 Existing Use o£ Property VtZCa w'�" Acreage of Property (J. $b Descrihe bxiefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed i% / Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes ✓ no. What vras requested and wlien? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners o£ property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoningJ must he attached to this application. (bj This application must be signed by all owners of tlie property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must Ue drawn and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and fronY and side setbacks. A, Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet). The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. DATE LNIN �S /4 79 SIGNATURE �, i��� � �T� � . PPLICAN'C} Date Piled Date of Hearing Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved ' (dates) Denied (dntes) Denicd �n! Planning Commission 8/7/79 ' City Council 3g MAILING LIST � • ZOA �79-06, by Jim London and Michael Gunnucci James E. London & Michael D: Gannucci 6441 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Peter R. Brook 1130 Fireside Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Glenn & Sandra Wong 1150 Fireside Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Superamerica Station P.O. Box 391 Ashland KY. 41101 Supera��v,emera.ea Stations, Inc. 1131 72nd Nvenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 James R. Determan 7210 Central Avenue N.E. �ridley, Mn 55432 Central Auto Parts TZO1 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Alvan L. Schrader 5501 Lakeland_Avenue North Crystal, Mn 55429 Carl & Catherine Sorensen - 4615 University Avenue N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55421 Harold Haluptzok 8261 N.E. 5th Street Minneapolis, Mn 55434 Koch Marketing Comparty P.O. Box 2315 Witchita, Ks 67201 Walter Chies 4030 Tyler Street N.E. �inneapol5.s, Mn 55421 Donald & Lester Chies 1150 73 1/2 Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Cooper Construction Company 8437 University Avenue N.E. Mipneapolis, Mn 55432 ZOR #79-06, LONDON & GANNUCCI .. ;' ' . . . � � _. �,� . _ . � . �. . � . � ' { • ' 4t 1 E' � ;•�. � ' .� ` ' . 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([�1° �,t I . 1�� � 9 p t ; � . �♦ t � ` °w A 1'z_c�- : � !6 /7 78 19 ZO�CL_ 6 .� � �� i , ° � � � 7 P � . ��. , , ..17 Io 4o fn 9r In �'4 •�� � ' T ' ��....0 !J t . _ io ar�✓+c P o�.Ra_ � i ' � ..__—t ..._... . '_' i I Tzzo f �e� , • C,��Q� . . hliyneroa/ndrtf�i>/ � � Pinls/a:./'/�rHrlf/�/si� � . o� 0 Iz 4 f . . tsos ��. ----�9� .. ...,�o.. � ' .. _ ��:a • ,r.. a ti _ .. ,� _'� (200 ' W / c�+rr� /3 tRarA .�' 2 j � � U�'00� ✓ /I'e�iLn ri � �,.i.s�. �goo� _ S�JRD. �S�Of�! 1..�,LNQ. go ��r.,.� ` - , � , z�, .n.«•A��..�1. �� sot�} . � (soo :..I LNM � r /N... .-. . 4 lc,el 1 4 � •,l� HUMAN RESOURCES COMI�ffSSION MEETING AUGUST 2, 1979 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Treuenfels called the August 2, 1979, Human Resources Commission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. ROLL CALL: Memhers Present: Peter Treuenfels, Mary van Dan, Mary K. Martin Membere Absent: Wayne Saunders, Marlyis Carpenter Others Present: Peter Fleming, Administrative Assistant Marion D. Dolinage - Senior Outreach Worker Steve Klein - Senior Outreach APPRO(�AL OF JULY 12 1979, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MSNUTES: MOTION by Ms. van Dan, seconded by Ms. Piartin, to approve the July 12, 1979, $uman Resources Commission minutes as aritten. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PRESENtATION BY MS. LINDA GILBERTSON (State Department of Human Rights): Mr. Treuenfels stated that since Ms. Gilbertson was not present, he would contact her again and try to reschedule her at a later meeting. 2. REQUEST FOR CITY FUNDING BY ANOKA COUNTY SENIOR CITIZEN OUIREACH PROGRAM: Mr. Klein stated he was helping with the funding for the Senior Citizen Outreach Program and Pis. Dolinage uas the Outreach Worker for this portibn of Anoka County. Mr. Klein handed out a green brochure which listed all the services available to senior citizens including housing, transportation, nutrition, home insulation, medical, and energy. lie stated that a problem the senior citizen providers had run into was they were seeing basically the same people at all Chese services. These were the retired, mobile, informed, articulate, semi-middle class senior citizens. This was not bad, but basically this program was set up to serve a real critical need, rather than a convenient need. He stated that approximately two years ago, these various agencies got together and requested that tlie Community Action Program apply for a Title 3 Federal grant to put Cogether the strategy to have an intensive o�Cxeach HUMAN RESOURCES CONa2ISSI0N MEETING AUGUST 2 1979 '- PAG� 2 program to this isolated unreached element of senior citizens. Mr. Klein stated this program has been a very successful and active program. One reason for this is that they employ senior citizens as the labor element. The program consists of four half-time senior citizens who know a certain segment of the County well and have the people contact so they can identify seniors who are hamebound or not in the mainstream. Mr. Klein sLated that the program was 9CP/, �ederally funded the first year. The second year, which ended June 30, 1979, was 75% federally funded. The third year will be a 50'/, federal grant/5�/ ].ocal share; and after that, the federal support will be phased out and, basically, the County or some other funding must be made available to continue the program. Mr. Klein stated that'the County, through its Human Service programs, has evaluted the programs very closely upon completing�the second year and has continued the greatest share of the senior program through its other means of support. The critical year becames that third funding year when the local share is 5�/. Mr. Klein stated that lz years ago, he had approached the City of Fridley for a conCribution.for the Senior Citizens' Well Clinic, which was another Tit1e 3 program. The City of Fridley made a fine contribution and, after the third year of [hat program, the County greatly extended its contri- bution so that program is on vexy firm financial ground today. Mr. Rlein stated tha[ the budget for �iscal Year 80 ir_dicated a total cash need for $33,153 with a 50% federal grant of $18,114, leaving actuai. commuaity f-unds needed 'co sustain th� program of $15,038. T�ey were basically trying to give the larger communiCies, particularl.y Urhere tliere are significant numbers of seniors, a brief synopsis of t,e �YO�t3ffi� �lswer any questiors, and ask for a contribution in the vicinity of $1,000. They were trying to get a broad base of suppor.t without putting an extreme burden on any one source. They had secured $7.,000 from Anoka and Blaine, and would be approaching Columbia Heighis in the near future. They w wld like to cover one-fourth to one-third of that $15,038 figure through the larger communities and the County and also through foundations and local industry. Mr. Kiein staYed that the program creates employe�ent for senior citizens and utilizes the experience and capabilities of various seniors within their own community. Ms. Martin asked if they had a goal or target number of new senior citizens� they would like to reach in the c w�ing year? Pis. Dolinage stated they try to keep a goal, because they have to report to the Senior Governing Board of the C.A.P. Agency. A report is given to the Board every three months of all the new senior citizens centacted. (In the last three months, she had visited 127 seniors.) In the report they have to list the ones they revisit, a report of the ones they help, and a report of, not oniy all they visit, but the services the seniors have used. HUMAN RESOURCES COrIl�ISSION M��TING AUGUST 2, 1979 -_ PAGE 3 Ms. Dolinage stated she tries to reach new seniors all the time. She contacts them in various ways. She calls on the seniors in their homes without a prior phone call, introducing hersel£ at the door, and explaining the Outreach program. She £inds that the seniors really appreciate this personal approach. She stated that transportation is a very big problem. The seniors just don't realize all of the services that are available to them. She especially tries to keep track of the low income seniors so that when there are programs Chey are available for, she can make sure they know about these programs. Ms. van Dan asked what the relationship was between the Senior Citizen Out- reach Program and the Anoka County Social Services. Mr. Klein stated that the Anoka County Community Action Program was a private, non-profit corporation and was not a county office. IC is closely affiliated in Chat the County provides office space, phones,. and equipment. The agency is governed by a 15-person Governing Board,and one of Chese members is Fridley's Mayor Bi11 Nee, who has been very active in the agency for 4-5 years. One- third of the Board is represented by lower income residents, one-third by the public sector, and one-third by the private sector. Because this Eoard is not a paxt of Anoka County, it has access to a great deal more sources for funds than a division of the County would have. They coordinate very closely with County Aealth, CounCy Welfare, and the County infra-structure as a whole. Ms. van Dan stated she was very impressed with the personal approach, as seniors did not like being approached by a phone ca11 or a letter. Ms. Dolinage stated that the seniors also like the idea thaC the Outreach __ Program is not associated with Welfare, and that there is no red tape with this program. Ms. van Dan asked for a budget breakdown of the personnel. Mr. Klein stated that Che four half-time Outreach Workers represented $15,264 ot the budget; a half-time, 25 hr./wk. Project Supervisor Director was $5,863; and the other major expense, of course, was travel aC $5,400. Mr. Klein stated that a question that is usually raised is what happens next year when there is no more federal support? He stated there are places that Anoka County can contract in £or services or divert other county funds to this program. For example, the Food Stamp Program has a requitement that the County have an outreach function, so the County potentially could contract for services of that type to the Outreach Program. So, there were means, and they were making plans toward July 1, 1980. Ms. Martin stated she thought the presentation by Mr. Klein and Ms, Dolinage was terri£ic, and it sounded like Chey were doiug wonderful things in a much needed area. A VOICL VOTE. ALL VOTING AYE, CHAI1tP�RSON TItEUENFfiLS DECLARED THE Kas7tii�1] HUMAN RESOURCPS COMPffSSION MEETING AUGUST 2 1979 - __PAGE 4 Mr. Klein requested that he be notified when thts i.tem would be before the Planning Commission. Mr. Treuenfets declared a ten-minute recess at 8:25 p.m., reconvening the meeting at 8:35 p.m. 3. REPORT BY MARY VAN DAN ON VILLAGE GREEN: Ms, van Dan stated that the Selection Comm3ttee met five.times--Jan. 22, Mar. 7& Mar. 31, April 28, and May 24, 1979. They used the criteria from HUD and they used the "Ru1es and Regulations" from the Section 8 Rental Subsidy Program (attached), which spells out the in€ome requirements and eligibility requirements. They then reviewed the personal needs of each applicaxtt. The Committee had a cut-off date of Feb, lst. As of July 31, 1979, total applications received were: One bedroom - 61 Two bedroom - 104 Three bedroom - 9? Seniors - 201 Handicapped - 20 Ms. va� Dan stated that very few were rajected for any reason other than poor rental histcry or did not meet the eligibility requirements. The total number of rejecL'ed applications was 18. The Cc�mittee reviewe.d 121 applica- tions for the SeniorS build3.ng. Of the present residents ]iving ir, tl.a main coa�plex, 6].ived in Fridley formerly, 43 presentt.y lived in Fridley (apart- ments, homes, trailers}, 24 had tami.ly in Fridley, a:�d 18 had no connection with Frialey. Ms. van Dan stated that one of the things the Committee wanted to see was seniors out of trailers, because trailers were dangerous places to live, She also stated that she was sure there was a Section 8 requirement that at least a small percentage of people had to be from outside the iumiediate area. HUD requires that about 3CP/ oE the couples accepted have to be in a very low income bracket. The incane Ureakdown for the seniors: 37 in low income bracket and SZ in very 1ow fncome bracket. There are presently 23 couples, 8 men, and 60 women. TotaZ number of handicapped in both seniors building snd apartments is 12. The handicapped category was one of the hardest to fi11, because one of the major problems is transportaeion. . Ms. van Dan stated there were 39 minority applications, 8 were rejected. Total minority residentc: One bedroom - 5 Two bedroom - 3 Three bedroom - 4 The minoriCies represented were Spanish, Black, ��ietnamese, American Indian, and Chinese-American. The minority category was another category very hard to fill. Ms. van Dan stated that the Seniors building would be having an open house either the end of August or early September. She would notify the Human Resouroes Commission of this open houce. IiUMAN RESOURC�S COA'AITSSSON MEETING AUGUST 2 1979 - PAGE 5 4. REPORT BY WAYNE SAUNDERS ON TI�E COMMUNITY SCHOQLS ADVISORY COUNCIL: Mr, Treuenfels stated that in the absence of Mr. Saunders, this item would be continued at the nexe meeting. 5. REPORT BY MARY MARTIN ON THE FINE ARTS COMMITTEE: Ms. Martin stated that the Fine Arts Committee had gone inactive for the summer so she had not been able to atCend a meeting. The Fine Arts Coamiittee did sponsor the very successful Celebrations of Nations in March, and she understood they may sponsor another one next year. There have been art exhibiCS in May and June for elementary and high school children at the Library. There may also be a photography exhibit in 4ctober. Mr. Treuen£els stated that the Human Resources Commission would like to be kept informed of any special events or exhibits put on by Che Fine Arts Committee. To his knowledge, the Fine Arts Comsittee has not looked into promoting creative writing, Perhaps that could be discussed at a Cou¢nittee meeting. e8nother suggestion would be chamber music groups. 6. OTHER BUSINESS: A, �enda ICems Mr. Treuenfels stiated he would try contacting Jaime Becker and Kathy Robson to see if they could attend the Septea�her meeting. , Mr, Treuenfels stated he would try to have a sgeaker on women's rights at the October meeting, and would reinvite Linda Gilbertson, State Department of Humar, Rights, to the Nooember meeting. B. Revised Comprehensive Development Plan Mr. Treuenfels and the Couimission members uriefly reviewed the "Housing" section of the Plan. Mr. Trevenfels stated that i£ the Commission members had any changes or recommendations, they should contacC either him or the City before the next Planning Coromission meeting on Wed., August 8, 1979. Ms. van Dan sCated that under Objective 2, 3-A, with Village Green as an example, there was not a big demand for handicapped housing because of the lack of transportation. AD70URNMENT: MOTION by Ms, van Dan, seconded by Ms. Martin, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the August 2, 1979, Human Resources Commission meeting adjourned aC 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, . �!!'?t!>.•'.�C. �Z -�� Lynne Saba,�ee�ording Secretary e VILY�AGE GREEN A60 Mi:sissippi Street N.E. Fridtey, Minnesota 55432 (612) 574-0674 Tota1 Applications Received: 1-bedroom 61 2-bedroom 104 3-bedroom 97 Seniors 201 Handicapped 20 Total Applications Rejected (due Co poor rental histories, or not meet- ing eligibility requirements): 1-bedroom 2 2-bedroom 10 3-bedroom 3 Seniors 2 Handicapped 1 7/31/79 Total Applications Reviewed with Selection Committee: 1-bedroom 44 2-bedroom 58 3-bedroom 18 Seniors 121 Aandicapped 12 Total Applications Received £rom Fridley Residents: 1-bedroom 11 2-bedroom 38 3-bedroom 10 Seni.ors 59 Handicapped 4 Total Minority Applications Received: 39 Total Rejected: 8 Total Minority Residents: 1-bedroom-5 2-bedroom--3 3-bedroom--4 Total Fridley Residents (Residents who previously lived in Fridleyj: 1-bedroom--10 2-bedroom--19 3-bedroom--4 Senior--48 - 4f We will have an Open House in the Seniors building, but not until the end of August or early September. We are waiting for the arrival of the rest of our furniture. RULES AND REGULA710NS SECTION B Section 8 is a rental subsidy program designed to assist low and moderate i�come families in need of . housing. Anyeligible applicant qualifying for housing assistance payments pays between 15 and 25� of their income for rent, and HUD (Department of Housing and Urban Oevelo,pment► pays the remaining portion, which is determined by the amount of the "Fair MarkeY' rent normally received for the unit. To qualify for Section 8 housing assistance payment, two (2y basic requirements must be met: THE INCOME REQUiREMENT: The applicant's income must not exceed 80% of the median income for the area in which they reside as established by HUD. A. The maximum annual income is: $10,850 for 1 person $12,400 for a famity of two (2} $13,950 for a family of three (3) $15,500 for a family of four (4) $16,500 for a family of five (5) $17,450 for a family of six (6) B. The income from all assets (i.e. savings accounts, savings certificates, stock dividends, etc.) must be included as part of annual income. C. tf the appiicanYs assets exceed $5,000 in value, subtract the income from these assets and add 10%of their total value to all other sources of income to determine the eligibility income amount IL ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT In addition to income requirements, the applicant must qualify under at least one of the fof{owing c{assifications: A. Disabled: Meaning head or spouse cannot engage in any substantial activity by reason of any medically determinabfe physicai or'mentai impairment which has lasted or can be expected to last a continuous period of not less then 12 months. B. Displaced: As the result of a governmental action or federally declared disaster. C. Elderly: Either the head of the household or spouse at least 62 years of age or older. D. Handicapped: Meaning anyone with a permanent physical or mental disorder which impedes his or her ability to live independently. E. A Family: Of two (2) or more persons sharing the same residence, and utilizing the income and resources avaitable to meet family needs, and who are related by blood, marriage or law and maintain a stable relationship. Sing{e tndividuafs: Under special circumstances The exact amount of housing assistance payments a qualified family may receive is usually contingent on more than just income. Other considerations include possible medicai or unusuaf expenses and famify size, however, in no case wili the eligib�e family pay more than 25% of their monthly income for adequate housing. Any person seeking an apartme�t must be capable of living independently or with minor outside �eide of support services. :` ., , . . � � � �M:.n.::.N.��.. ! i '� i � 4 �� s 1 � 1 � i � I .' � i ; i 1 �_ 1 � 0 r \ \ i CITY IN WHICH APPLICANTS PRESENTLY RF.SIDE CitY Number of Applications Fridley 104 Minneapolis 47 St. Paul 7 Crvstal 3 New Hope 5 Princeton 1 Lindstrom � 1 Hopkins 2 Pe4uot Lakes � 1 � Columbia Heiq ts 3 Coon Raoids 3 Shoreview 1 RoseVille 1 Blaine 1 New Brighton 2 Edina 1 Red Wing 1 Brooklyn Center 4 St. Louis Park 3 Golden Va21ey 1 Bloomin ton 3 Tower 1 Granite Falls 1 Brainerd 1 South Haven 1 Moose Lake 1 North Branch 1 � Minnetonka 1 � � Mounds View � 1 Out o£ State Applications Wisconsin 1 North Dakuta � 1 Arizona 1 .� Handicanped ' - - � Minneapolis - -� ��� ��----�'-� 7 � �-�-� ..Eaqan . . . . ........ .. ... ...... 1.......... Robbinsdale � -- �- � �" 3 '��'�-���' � Columhia Hei9hts � � �1����-� �--� Golden Valley '�� - � �-7 � � � � i�. (2/10179). ` . � IN5ERT FROM HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETiNG, SEPTEMBER 7, 1978 Ms. van Dan asked what happened when the family size increased beyond the guidelines? Mr. Walstead stated that if the family size increased to the point where the unit was not the appropriate size, then that family would� be the first people on the waiting list for the next two-or three- bedroom unit that was available. If the family size went to seven in a three-bedroom, that was a situation that had never come up, but it could conceivably happen. They were bound by Federal regulations, and if the situation was such that the unit was still appropriate by some arrangement, what they would probably do would be to ask the Minnesota Housing Finance Agency (MHFA) for a ruling, the MHFA would ask HUD for a ruling, and HUD would make the final ruling. Ms. van Dan stated she would hate to see a family not be able to remain in the complex if their family size increased. Her concern was that they get preference when going to a two-bedroom or a three-bedroom unit. CITY OF FRIDLEY • APPiALS COP�IP1[ISSION hIEETING - AUGUST 14, 1979 CALL TO ORD�Ri . Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 14, 1979, meeting oP the Appeals Commission to order at 7i30 P.P+I. ROLL CALL� Members Presenti tnr. Plemel, tdr. Kemper, tns. Schnabel, Ms. Gable, Mr. Barna Members Absent� None ' Others Presente Clyde I•?oravetz, Ehgine.er Aide/ �• � l. APPRCVE APPEAI,S COP.Zi:1IS5I0id PdINUTES e JITLY 31, 1979 � P40TION by P�Ir. Barna, seconded by D4s.•Gabel, to approve the July 31, 1979� minutes of the Appeals Commission. UPON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIR690D'[AN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAIJTMOUST+Y. 2� MOTION by E'fr. Kemper, seconded by,BZs. Gabel, to open the Public Hearing. UPORT A YOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPIG AYE, CHAIRLdOPlIAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7�33 P.r�7� I�is. Schnabel asked the petitioner, Ernie Pasborg, to come forward and read the Administrative Staff Report as followse ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT 8125 and 8133 Riverview Terrace N.E A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED SY REQUIREMENT: Section 205.053, 16) On a plat recorded before December 29,, 1955, the mini- mum lot area is 7,500 square feet. Public purpose served by this requirement is to avoid the condition of over- crowding of a residential neighborhood and to avoid an excess burden on the existing water and sewer services, and to avoid reduction of surrounding . property values. , APPEAI,S COLIP�IISSION PdEETING, AUGUST 14, 1979 - PAGE 2 Section 205.053, 2, (6,3) On parcels of land less than 60 feet in width,• but not less than 50 feet in width, and are comprised of one or more full sized lots or parts thereof, on a subdivision or plat recorded before De-;.•� � cember 29, 1955, the minimum required lot width can be lowered to allow a building on this parcel with the side yard requirements reduced to five ' (5) feet minimum on each side subject to the distance between the living • areas in any two adjacent buildings is at least 20 feet. •. Section 205.053, 4, b, Two side yards are required, each with a width of not ]ess than )0 feet. ' � . � � Public purpose served by these sections of the code is�to maintain a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between garages and tiving areas in adjacent structures to reduce exposure to con- flagration of fire and also to allow for aesthetically pleasin9 open spaces around residential structures. B. STATED HARDSHIP: See Attached Letter dated July 23, 1979 C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: 7hese lots are located vrithin the flood plain, therefore a substantial amount of fill wili have to be brought in. This wiil resuit in raising these prop- erties above the neighboring structures. The proposal consists of four 25 foot lots on which the petitioner has proposed to build two homes l0 feet apart. They are two full stories above grade (approximately 16 feet). � 7he staff recommends that the Appeals Commission consider denying all vari- ances for tfie fol}owing reasons and that the petitioner consider building one house on four lots. 1. The houses would only be 10 feet apart and that will appear to be very close since the vertical height of the wall is 16 feet. 2. With one house, the degree of slope between the lot line and the eievated area could be lessened with more distance to make up the difference in elevation. A lot area should be left on the lot and a catch basin installed and be con- nected to the existing basin on Glencoe. This would allow for a better drain- age p7an as the one proposed does not a71nw adequate fall away from the exist- ing home. The followii�g two pages consi�t of the letter referred to in the Hardship section of the Administrative Staff Report. Ms. 5chnabel read this letter into the record also. HCi'f.t1L�l vvl�ll�tlu.11vi� i•iuuaii��� vvv�+ ir� 1�// � n L � I fa.�.�:,: _, � ���&.� ' ' . . " , i `: � A � �� y �� 4i.v h � � . . . �5�� . .. . . R a � i . . � . . . , � '} . ' , . . . . . . � .. ' � . . � _. . _ . . . . . .� . . . . . . .._... - .. .. . . . . . . ..�-_-:.. , . _ �.. , .. ,.�- . . . . � . . . JULY 23. 1979 ' _ . CITY CAUNCIL _ _ , :' ' CITY OF FRIDLEY 6431 UNIVERSITY AVQJUE • . FRIDLEY� MINVESOTA 55432 • ItE: REQUEST FOR VARIANCE OF MINIMlA�1 PROPERTY REQUIREMENT — � LO7S 27 � 28, BLOCK S, AND LOTS 29 � 30, BLOCK S, RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS ' DEAR COIAVCIL MEMBERS• AS IS OBVIOUS BY THE A7TACHFD DIAGRAMS, THE LOTS FOR WFiICH WE SEEK THE ABOVE VARIANCE FALL SHQRT OF FRIDLEY'S MINIMUM PROPERTY REQUIRF,MENT. WE HAVE RESEARCHED qLl. REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES PRIOR TO SEEKING SUCH VARIANCE AND HAVE CANCLUDED THAT OBTAINING THE VARIANCE FOR EACH LOT IS THE ONLY FEASIBLE COURSE OF ACTION. THE FIRST AND FORFS'IOST CONSIDERATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ABOVE LOTS'IS THE SUITABI4ITY OF THE LAND FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE FOUND THAT BOTH LOTS ARE BELOW 'ikiE �t.DOD PIAIN AND THUS WOULD REQUIRE 1W EXTENSIVE AMOl�1T OF FILL 70 BRING THEM TO BUILDING CONDITION. THE ESTIMA7ED COST OF REQUIRED FILL PER LOT IS $4,000. IF THE LOTS WERE COMBINED� A TOTAL COST OF $8,OD0 WOULD BE ADDED TO A SINGLE PEICE OF PROPERTY. • _ � THE PRESENT PRICE OF EACH LOT IS $6�500. IF THE LOTS WERE COMBINED, THIS i PRICE WOULD DOUBLE TO $13,D00. ADDED TO THE COST OF THE REQUIRED FILI. FOR THE ; COMBINED LO7, THE PRICE OF THE LOT WOtA.D THEN BE $21,000. OBVIOUSLY THfS SlM a plOULD BE FAR OUT OF THE CURRENT PRICE RM1GE FOR'THE AREA. { _ , ANOTHER CONSIDERATION ALONG THESE LINES IS THE COST OF SODDING, A REQUIRFJ�1ENT OF THE CITY. THE P,G�REGATE COST OF SODDIhG THE TW� [ATS TS $2,400. IF TH� LOTS NtERE COMBINED� THTS ENTIRE COST WOUlD BE PASSE� ONT9 Oi�E PEICE OF PROPERTY, i INCREASING THE PRTCE OF A SINGLE LOT WHICH IS ALREADY OUf OF ITS MARKET RlaNGE. SHOULD A VARTANCE BE GRANTED THE ABOVE LISTED COSTS CAN BE DIYIDED PU7TING � THE PRICE IN THE AREA OF $12,000 WHICH IS CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH CURRENT PRICES OF THE Ad2EA. • � �� CONTINGENT UPON RECEIVING A VARIANCE FROM THE CITY OF FRIDI.EY, WE HAVE PUT � ,. 7625 HIGHWAY 65 N. E.• FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55432 � 786-6911 APPEALS COP�'dISSZOT7 IJI�:ETING, AUGUST 14, 1979 — PAGE 4 � .--� ' - �^ . a . TOGETHER A PROPOSED HOME PACKAGE FOR FACH OF THE LOTS. 7HE 70TAL PACKF�E WAS PRICED AT $67,000. BOTH PACKAGES WERE SUBMITTED FOR PROSPECTIVE BUYERS TO THE YETERANS ADMINISTRATION FOR FINANCE APPROVAL AND APPRAISAL. THE PROSPECTIVE BUYERS ARE APPROVED FOR V.A. MORTGAGES. THE V.A. APPROVED BOTH HOMES AS THEY PS2E PROPOSED TO BE SITUATED ON THE TWO LOTS. HOWEVER, THE APPRAISAL GIVEN TO THE PACKAGE WAS AVLY $63,000. THE REASON GIVEIV FOR TNE LOWER APPRAISAL WAS CONSIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBORING AREA, THIS DEMONSTRATES AGATN, THE IM('RACTIBILITY .OF COMBININ6 THE TWO LOTS TO BE MARKETED AS A SIPdGLE LO7 FOR A PRICE OF $23,400, IXCLUSIVE OF MIY ACTUAL CONSTRUCTIdN EXPENSE. �. '.; , :-, ATTACHED ARE THREE DIAGRAMS LABLED A, B� AI� C. DIP�RPM A DEPICTS TNE SAME HOUSE PROPOSED FOR FACH QF THE TWO EXTSTING LOTS ON A SINGLE COMBINED LOT. WITH THE ADDED EXPENSE OF THE SECOND LOT� 7HTS fiOME WOLILD NOW COST $72,250. EVEN TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE ADDITIONAL LAND ENCOMPASSED IN 7HE PACKAGE, THE APPRAISAL � F10ULD NOT EVFN CQ`1E CLOSE ;f0 THE PURCHASE PRICE, ESPECTALLY AS IT WAS NOTED THAT '_ ADJOINING ARFA COMPAI2ABLES WAS THE REASON FOR THE LOWER APPRAISAL GIVFJJ TO OUR • PROPOSED PACKA6ES. AS INDICATED IN THIS DIAGRAM, THE DRAINAGE AREA ON ?HE PROPERTY WOULD CERTAINLY BE INCREASED, HOWEVER THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD NOT WARRAN7 SUCH AN E)CfREME PRICE FOR THIS TYPE HOME. . DIAGRAM B SHOWS A T-SHAPED HOME, 28` BY 46' WITH A FORMAI_ FOYER AND A 24' BY 30' ATTACHED GARAGE. THIS IS THE SIZE HOME TNAT WOULD FI7 THE COMBINED SINGLE LOT. TfiE COST OF THIS h'OME NlOULD BE $87,4Q0. AGAIN,'OUT PRICED FOR THE AREA. FURTHER, THE bRAINAGE AREA ON THE NOR7H SIDE OF 7HE HOME WOULD NOT CHI�NGE AND THE DRAINAGE AR�4 TO THE SOUTN OF THE HOME WOULD INCREASE ONLY BY 2.5'. DIAGRPM C SHOWS A 24' BY 40' HOME WI7H A 20' BY 24' ATTACHED GARF�E SITUATED IN LINE WITH EXISTING HOMES. �IN THIS INSTANCE, THE DRAINAGE AREAS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES � THE HOME REMAIN THE SAME. THE PRICE OF THIS HOME WOULD BE $74,900 ALSO OUT � THE ARFA PRICE WWGE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE SfiORT SIDE LOTS OF WR TWO PROPOSED HOMES ARE BE7WEEN 7HE HOMES THAT CERTIFIED WOULD CONSTRUCT. WE WOULD THEREFORE BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE MEANS OF DRAINAGE IN THIS MINIMAL. AREA TO INSURE A�AINST ANY DRAINAGE PROBLFI�IS. WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE TWO LOTS IN QUESTION WERE PLATTED PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISHMFNT OF THE MINIMUM PROPERTY DIMF�ISTON REQUIREMENT. WE BELEIVE THAT ?HIS IS A POINT OF CONSIDEP.A7ION. HAD THESE f'LA75 BEEN RECOP.DED 5UBSEQUENT TO THE 1�ZiVIMUM STFlNDARD, t+fE WOULD NOT BE ENCOUNTERING OUR CURREN7 PROBLEM. • WE FEEL THAT TH� ABOVE EXPLANATIONS EVIDENCE THE NEED FOR THE REQUESTED VARIANCE. THE HOMES PROPOSED FOR THE EXISTING LOTS WOULD ENHANCE THE AESTHETIC ASPECT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADD TO THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE AREA. DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOTS WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN IMPROVEMENT OV�R THEIR PRESENT STATES AND WE DO NOT FORSEE THAT 'IHE ADJOINING HOMES WOULD INCUR ANY HARDSHIP DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED HOMES. WE '(1-V1NK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER. . VERY T ULY YOURS, � / _ . 1 RRii�'f'A�BORG . ��CE'PRESZDENT � APPEAL3 COMP3ISSION P9EETIPIG AUGIIST 141 1979 - PA�E 5 Ms. Schnabel stated that at the last meeting, no action was taken, so they would have to start at the be�inning. She indicated that the Commissioners had received additional information regarding this request in the mail during the week. R4r. Moravetz stated that the Staf� position had not changed and they would recommend denial. Stafi would be receptive to one.. � . Mr. Pasborg stated that the homes would be built under Excalibur Homes not Gertified Homes. An error was made.with the letterhead for the letter stating the hardship. He gave the Commissioners a copy of a survey indieating the proposed drainage p2an. Pdr. Keith Graham will certify the draina�e after the project is done. b4r. Graham, the surveyor, has been to the site three times and they have gone to great lengihs and expense to do the topos and check the outside areas of the surr�unding homes and they feel the drainage from these two houses will not cause a problem with the two adjoining houses. The two adjoinin� houses are on small lots and he did not see how the Commissioners could discriminate against the people who want to buy these two homes and the people who want to sell these two lots. He has two buyers who want to buy these two homes. The way they are set up they will be aesthetically nice homes. They would be 2-stoxy homes and DIr. Pasborg showed the Commission- ers pictures of the proposed houses. The pictures indicated how the houses would be layed out. P�r. Pasborg stated that there would be IO feet between the two houses and the prospective buyers did not object to that. He went on to explain the floor plan which includes suspended decks. a flying eve on the front which would be 6 feet. 'The decks would be 8 feet protruding past the flying eve. There would be a patio door in front with a bay window on each side. He did not feel it would decrease anything in the neighborhood. Pds. Schnabel requested that Tdr. Pasborg show his drawings to.the peopl.e in the audience. I�lr. Pasborg did so and went on to explain that the exterior of the houses wouTd be hand-split shakes on the face and a brick front. The siding would be cedar with a timberline shake roof. The houses would be energy homes and there would be shutters on all the windows. He stated that these are the only homes they feel th�y can build and that he had already brought one lot. They have not yet paid for the second lot because of the negative reaction he received from the Staff. 'It was indicated to him that he would not get the variance and he had already invested $1,000.00. � Ms. Schnabel stated that in the past, based on Staff's experience with the code, these things have not been generally favored. lt1s. Schnabel stated that she was concerned about the elevation and the drainage. APPEALS COP,IMISSION ME�TING, AUGUST 1�,- 1979` PAGE 6 D4s. Schnabel asked if the highest elevation point was 824.9? Mr. Pasborg stated that was correct and that would be the floor of the garage and the first £loor of the house. t4s. Schnabel stated that around the lot, 824.9 was the highest elevation she could find. Mr. Pasborg stated that was correct. Ms. Schnabel asked if they were dipping towards the house in some way? Mr. Pasborg stated that they were dipping away from.the house. He stated that on the survey, PE was the proposed elevations and the others indicated were the existing elevations. Il4r. Pasborg stated that they were coming up 15 feet and would then drop it down an@ bring it around. They had also indicated that they would put in a retaining wall if necessary, but he did not feel that would be necessary. PAr. Pasborg went on to explain the drainage and also stated that he would be willing to sod the neighbors lot which was presently weeds. He stated it would drop 2� in front from the roof to the street, Ms. Schnabel stated that she was not convinced because the first floor elevation was 825.3 and they had a proposed exterior of 824.9. 2hat is .4 feet of diiference and she did not think he could contain it all in the lot and get it out in that space. LZr. Pasborg stated it would drop to 823. Tds. Schnabel stated that it would then run into the neighbors lot which is at 822. tdr. Pasborg stated that he would be willing to put in a wall or else fill it and sod it for him. h4s. ScYulabe2 stated that he would have the same problem in another area. She did not think that the neighbors £ence would stop the heavy water, Mr. Pasborg stated that then he would put up two walls. Ms. Schnabel stated that she thought the Engineering Department would want more than that and asked P.ir. h:oravetz what his opinion was? P+Ir. P4oravetz stated that he didn't believe such a:dESi� had been requestPd and was not sure how it would be received. It would have to be reviewed. Mr. Kemper asked if he would be proposing a cement block wall? h�r. Pasborg stated that would be the least expensive and 2east attractive. APPEALS COT�dISSION MEETING, AUGUST 14, 1979 - PAGE 7 Ms. Schnabel stated that it appeared to her that as it looks, she felt it would be unacceptable in terms_oi drainage and the people in the F�gineering Department would have to take a closer look at it. AZr. Pasborg stated that he had asked them about the walls and they didn't think it would make any difference, He was told that the percentages of drop were within the regu].ations and that the only footage problem was the difference between the two homes. P4r. Kemper stated that in looking at it there were definitely some problems. But that didn't mean he could do some adjustments.. Mr. Pasborg stated that Keith Graham would verif`y that there would be proper drainage. He thinks it will work. .. I�ls. Schnabel stated that from experience, they have found that if they aren't diligent and get it on paper to begin v�ith, the work is not done properly and once it is in, it is tough to go back and change it. This is not the first problem they have had in that area �nd she ielt that if this is approved, at some point further along, either at the Planning Commission or the City Council, he would have to have some new proposals for drainage. Y�ir. Pasborg asked what would be acceptable? Pds. Schnabel stated that he would have to talk to the Ehgineering Aepartment. Mr. Pasborg stated that this was what Ehgineering told him to do. Ms. Schnabel stated that she didn't believe that because �igineering would not tell him to drain it onto the neighbor's property and that is what this would do. Mr. Kemper stated that if this was passed they would have to take a look at some of the figures and come up with a different proposal because the way it is, water would be running onto the adjacent pro- perties. b'Ir. Pasborg asked if they had the other survey because it was done twice. He gave them another survey and stated that was the correct one. Mr. Plemel asked iF a mound of earth sodded about 6 to 10 inches along the edge accomplish the same as a high concrete wall? Mr. Barna stated that ii would have to come to a sharp edge at the _ lot line and wouldn't �ccon lish much. The retainin� wall would be a maximilm of 2 courses out of �he ground and they could put flagstone on it or paint it to make it look nice. It would be secured with 1 course below the ground and with 2 courses above it would move with the fr�st. 1�fater pressure would not move it. APPEALS CCt�t4ISSI0N T�tEETING,L AUGUST 14. -1q79 - PAGE 8 Mr. Moravetz stated that they should consider the relationship of the top of the curbing on Riverview Terrace in the northwest corner of the lots. The top o£ ihe curb elevation is 822.4 and it is not a full curb. It is just a blacktop berm so the actual gutter line is probably only one tenth of an inch or so lawer than the top of the curb or berm. It was only two to three inches at the most. At the southwest'� corner it is 822.3. The proposed elevation immediateljr north of the house is lower than the street elevation. Ms. 5chnabel stated that there were remarks on her copy written by someone on Staff. One'of the remarks is that it is too flat and if the curb is removed the vrater will back into the yard. Ms. Schnabel stated that there were other things they should look at but it would sufYice it to say that there is probably drainage problems and they vrouZd have to be worked out, Tats. Schnabel asked ii it was correct that he had two buyers? Mr. Pasborg stated that was correct. R4s. Schnabel stated that she understood they had been approved for mortgages and that they were aware oi the distance between the buildings? 1rlr. Pasborg stated that the VA was very striet and the buyers had signed docunents regarding that. E�Is. Schnabel stated that another problem was because the dwellings were so close, they had to be sure that there was no possibiZity of the spread of fire. In some cases they require fire walls to prevent that� and she thought 'that might include the elimination oi windows. She explained to the petitioner that this was the whole basis o� the requirements to keep the dwelling far enough apart, Also, there was the consideration of enough room for the fire trucks to get through. Mr. Pasborg asked what the required distance was? Mr. Barna stated they should be 20 feet apart. Mr. Plemel asked if these were factory built houses and if they came in two sections. Also, he asked who the manufacturer was? Tdr. Pasborg stated and that top would He stated that the site. that top part of the houses were built in a factory come in two sectians. The manufacturer was Terrace. lower half of the houses would be.constructed on the P,gs. Gabel stated that she was sure a fire wall would be required but was nqt sure about the windows. Pds. Schnabel stated they would have to research that question. RPPEALS COP.RAISSION P+I�ETItdG, AUGUST 14; 1979 PAGE 9 Nlr. Pa�sborg stated that in his original proposal, the houses were to be put in the center of the lot and T:Ir. Sobiech stated that he should push thec� closer together for more drainage. That was why they were 16'ieet apart. The original proposal called for a distance of 16 feet. That would have left less drainage on each side but then they wauld have put the cement wall up. The garages would be closest together on the downstairs floor. They could move the window in the garage or eZiminate it. He would rather have the houses farther a}�art and so would the buyers. Mr. Sarna asked what the height was from the peak oY the house to ground level in the front? --, , Mr. Pasborg stated it would be 20 feet. Ms. Schnabel referred to the last paragraph in the Administrative Staff Report and stated that it was a typing error. It should be a"low" area, not a"lot" area. Ntr. Barna stated that would make it about 22.9 feet above the street level at the center of the lot. That would ma;ce it about 4 feet higher than the house to the south and about 9 feet higher than the house to the north. t�1r. Barna stated that he felt the tv�o houses would stiak up and look iun�y in that narrow space. PAr. Pasborg stated that they would not be able to see one of the houses because of the pine trees which he planned to leave. He pointed out that it would be about the same height as the house going in across the street. and the one further down the street. b1r. Barna stated that the one two blocks dowr� as caused some problems because it doesn't really fit in. I�Zs. Gabel asked what the price would be. She was concerned about getting some reasonably priced homes in Fridley. h4r, Pasborg stated that they would be priced betwen $63,000 and �67,000. He stated that there would be 2 bedrooms finished and the dovmstairs would be iramed in. Ms. Schnabel asked if these were pre-constructed homes. Mr. Pasborg stated that the top half was. If they were built on site, it would cost a lot nore and they would not be able to put in all the options they were. He stated this was different from other modular homes. He also stated that the City of I�qinneapolis had accepted them as a builder. APP�ALS COPAt•4ISSION P.4EETING, AUGUST 1�+; 1979 PAGE 10 Pdr. Barna asked what the 1969 flood level was at this point or what the high water elevation was? tds. Gabel stated that it was 8?_2.9. T1r. Kemper asked if i+1r. Pasborg had considered single story houses with unattached garages? Mr. Pasbor� stated that he didn't know how he would get the garages in there. P7s. Schnabel stated that would create more of a lot coverage problem, E4r. Kemper stated that he asked that because o£ the fire walls. • E'tr. Barna stated that he coul@n't put in a full basement. He could put in a basement below the flood plain but would have to protect the sewer and vrater and the #'urnace wouZd have to be hung from the ceiling. Also, he could not build the basement in such a way that it could be improved into living area in case of a sudden �'lood someone �vould be �. trapped in there. The houses with full basements were built before the 1969 ilood. Ms. Schnabel noted that the lots an each side were 60 feet not 50 feet. Pnr. Barna stated that the outside lots were not 25 foot but 30 foot. tRs. Karleen Rice, 6gb Hugo Street, came forward and stated that she had a petition against the construction of two houses. it�ts. Schnabe3 read the petition as followst To the City of Fridley, dated 3uly 28, 1979� This is a petition against the building of a new dwelling at SI25 and fi133 Riverview Terrace NE and the reques-t for variance pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Fridley City Code to reduce tY;e miniinum lot area from the required ��do square feet for lots platted before December 29, 1955� to 5�84 square feet, and to reduce the requirement that there be 20 feet between living areas of adjacent dwellings on any parcel of land 60 feet in width or less to 10 feet. The petition was signed by 52 peop]�e mainly from Hugo Street, Glenco Street and Riverview Terraca. MOTION by �4s. Gabel, secondsd by TYSr. Kemper, to receive the petit].on agai st the request. UPON A VO�E VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, C2iAIRWOb4AN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIh�D UPJANIt�IOUSLY. Ms: Rice stated that they could nnt understand how they could put two houses in that little area. They would not have any air moving back and forth. P+is. Rice stated that she lived at 696 Hugo Street and that she also owned the house at 683 Glencoe Street. They were planning on renting the house on Glencoe Street as soon as �ihey fixed it up. APPEALS COT�n�,tI5SI0N I�,4EETIPIG, AUGUST 14, 19?� - PAGE 11 tQr. Dan St. Clair, 8141 Riverview Terrace, came forward and stated that his house was located to the north of the lots in question.. He stated that he objected to the construction of these two structures because he moved to Fridley because he thought it was aesthetically beautiful. He stated that he had a privacy fence that was put up by the people who owned the house before him. It was there because oY the unsightly lot next door. If there was one nice house he would remove the privacy fence. He was concerned that the two proposed houses would block the sun. He also would not object to two small houses. He did not feel that those two houses would add to the neighborhood. A single structure would be his preference. Ms. Rice stated that she would not object to one house either. P+Is. Schneppmueller, 8151 Riverview Terrace, stated that she was concerned about the drainage. She felt that with two houses in there, they could not handle the water. She stated that when it rains hard, the water goes all the way up to her front. door. She did not want another-1ot draining on her lot. R4r. St. Clair stated that he agreed with Nqs. Schneppmueller and also that he did not want to see a wall go in there. He stated that the petitioner had mentioned his fence. He stated that his fence would not and does not hold back the water. Ms. Schnabel stated that she had the same concerris and it did not seem that they had adequate land to handle the drainage. D4s. Julie Birkholz, Route #4, Isanti, came forward and stated that she represented the o�mer of the roperty at 8125 Riverview Terrace. She stated that the owner was a 7� year old lady who lived on a farn in the country and it would be a hardship on her if she could not sell the property. She owns the southerly t�vo lots. bir. Kempsr asked P�4r. Pasborg if those were the two lots that he had started to buy and held back on. PQr. Pasborg stated that was correct. Ms. Birkholz stated that her grandmother needed the money and would like to sell. t�7s. Schneppmuller stated that she took a picture of the other house that tvas recently built in the area where the builder was supposed to take care of the drainage. She stated that the lot he built on drains into the neighbors. Mr. Scott Anderson, an associate of tlr. Pasborg, came forward and asked about the builder who wanted to build a house on pilings in this area just recently. He asked if they could build a house on pilings because then there would be no drainage problem. APPEALS COMPIISSI�N MEETIPTG, AUGUST 14,"1979 PAGE 12 Ms. Schnabel stated that was his'intention in terms of the pilings. He wanted to raise the house up and then skirt it so it would look 1S.ke a regular house. He had planned to use the space underneath as a catch basin. But there v�ere problems with the swale lines and with the elevations. She stated that there was no problem with the pilings other than one neighbor was concerned about the pi2e driving : disturbing his foundation. Apparently there is a method to avoid that. Ms. Schnabel stated people did not want drainage problems. that she Pelt the problem here was that the two houses there because of the crowding and the Mr. Pasborg state@ that if he built a sin�le house tkiere it would take up as much room as the two houses. It wnuld be a T-shaped hpuse and it would be big. Pdr. hemper stated difficult for P:4r. for everyone. that the ComMission was not trying to make it Pasborg but was trying to find an amenable solution Ms. Schnabel stated that there were alternatives. If he wanted to rethink it or �vithdraw his request and go with a single dwelling, he could. 5he informed Mr. Pasborg that if Gouncil reviewed it and it was denied, he could do nothing with the property for six months. bSr. Plemel stated that the final decision rested with the City Council. The Appeals Commission only advises when there is neighborhood objection. Mr. Kemper noted that neighborhood objection carried weight with them and with Council. P7s. Schnabel stated that he could request that the item be continued for twa weeks which would give him time to review the situation. R4r. C. Schack, 68� Glencoe Street, came forward and stated that he would object to the retaining wall and did not believe that would hold the water. D4s. Schnabel stated that they had the same concerns and they were trying to protect his property. She informed r�Ir. Schack that the petitioner had requested this be tabled for two weeks to give him time to rethink his.request. • Pdr. Pasborg stated that he would like it to be continued for two weeks. He felt that would be fair. MOTION by Il^r. Kemper, seconded by P�is. Gabel to table the request for variancss pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Firdley City Code, to reduce the minimum lot area from the required '%500 square feet for lots platted before December 29, 1955� '�o 558�k square feet, and to reduce the requirement that there be twenty feet between Iiving.areas of adjacent dv�ellings on any parcel of land 60 feet or less in width, to 10 feet, to a].los the construction of two dwellings in CPR-2 Zoning (flood plain), the same being 8125 and 8133 Riverview Terrace N.E. � Ms. Gabel requested that in the next two weeks, 5taff research the guhestions that were raised such a� the fire vralls,and th window , the wat�era�roD�em�"em and that T�1r. PasUorg check with Sta�f regar�ing APPEALS CCr�4ISSI�id i4EETING AUGUST 14 -1Q?9 - PAGE 13 UPON A VOIGE VOTE, ALL YOTING AYE, CHAIRWOPrlAN SCHNABEL DECI,ARED THE MOTION CAP,RIED UNANIDTOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel informed the petitioner and the audience that the public hearing was stil.l open and invited all interested parties to return in two weeks. Ms. Schnabel declared a recess at 9�25 P.M. and reconvened the meeting at 9►35 P.Twt. MOTIOTd by P�1r. Barna, seconded by P,1s. Gabel, 'to open the public hearing. UP�N A YQICE VQTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRV10PdAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBZIC HEARING OPEN A T 9� 35 P���� • TrYs, Schnabel aslced the petitioner to come forward and read the Administrative Staff Report as follows: ADMZI3TSTRATINE STAFF REPORT 575 Glenooe Street N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REOUIREMENT: Section 205.053, 4a, requires a minim�n side yard setback o£ 10 £eet for living area. . Public purpose served by this requirement is to maintain a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures and 15 feet between qarages and living areas in adjacent structures to reduce exposure to oonflaqration of fire. It is also to allow for aesthetically pleasSng open areas around residential structures. � B. $TATGD�HARDSHIP: "MOre living space is required. The best way to add living space to the existing house is to add on the top of the garage which is existing approxitaately 7 feet from the west property line." C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REVIEW: The house to the west is on the corner lots and faces Bmad Avenue. It has 10 feet (verified) between the structure and the common lot line. If the variance was approved Yhere would be appmximately 17 feet between living areas. r APPyALS COiJ[t�tISSION P+1E�TING, AUGUST 14, 19?9 PAGE 14 bYs. Schnabel �tated that she understood that th3s was existing garage on the west side of the house and it appeared that the top was removed and the petitioner wished to build on top o£ the garage. She asked what the addition would be? Pdr. Skilling stated that part of it would be to add room on the kitchen and part of it would be a family room. He showed the Commissioners a drawing of what he proposed to do and explained how he planned to do it. Ms. Gabel asked if the garage could support the structure? P.4r. Skilling stated that it could and that he had�checked it out. If necessary, they would run an extra header. F�s. Schnabel asked if he would do the work himself or hire someone? Mr. Skilling stated that he would have the work done. Idr: Kemper asked what the addition would cost? Mr. Skilling stated it would cost around w14,000. P+Is. Schnabel asked if the exterior would tie in with the existing exterior and if the roof line rvould tie in with the existing roof? Mr. Skilling stated that it would. t�4s. Gabel asked about the windows? Mr. Skilling stated that he would re2ocate them on that side. n4s. Schnabel asked if he had talked to his neighbors about the addition? P,4r. Skilling stated that he had and they were in favor of it. Tdr. P.Zoravetz showed the Cor.ir,iissioners an aerial photograph of the area. I�ir. Kemper stated thai they were Iooking at a 3 foot variance. tds. Gabel asked when he would start? bTr, Skilling stated they would start as soon as possible and the actual construction would take about five weeks. P,10TION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, GHAIRWdMAN 5CHNABEL DECT,ARED THE PUBLIC HFiARING CLOSED AT 9r50 P.Df. APPEALS COb�PAISSION P3EETITIG, AUGUST 14� 1979 - PAGE i5 Ms. Gabel stated that she had no problem with this. It was a small rambler and he had a growing family and it looked. like it would be a nice addition to the neighborhood. MOTION by t.4s. Gabel, seconded by A1r. Kemper, to approve the request for the variance pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Fridley City Code to reduce the side yard setback from the required 10 feet to 7 feet to allow the construction of additional living area on top of an existing garage at 575 Glencoe Street NE. UPON A VOTCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AY�, CHAIRiQOTrIAPi SCHNAB�L DECI�ARED THE MOTION CARRI�'D UNANII,IOUSI,Y. Ms. Schnabel iniormed the petitioner that he was free to get a building permit. � 4. � �nuuv aix�nr iv.s. �xequesti oy �onn Loyle, a. �. �onstiruczion, Inc., 305 East River Road Id.E., Fridley, rr,n. 55�32)• PHOTION by I�ir. P].emel, seconded by T+lr. Barna, to open the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTS, AI,L VOTITdG AYE, CHAIRWOP:3AN SHCNABEI, DECLARED THE PUBLTC iiEARING OPEN AT 9� 53 P� r�I • Ms. Schnabel asked the petitioner to come forward and read the Administrative Staif Report as followse ADMINISTRATNE STAFF REPORT 355 Hugo Street N.E. A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVSD BY REQUIREMFTIT: Section 205.053, 4A, requires a minimum front yard setback pf 35 feet. Public purpose served by this requirement is to pmvide open space for off-street parking without encroaching onto public rig�ht of way. Also for the aesthetic consideration not to reduce the "building line of sight" encroachment into a neighbor's front yard. 8. STATED HARASIiIP: ' "R4�e normal 35 foot setback would place the house beriind both adjoining houses and would place it in the creek bed, It is requested that the setback be'the average setback (26�5 feet) be �reen the tca� adjoining houses." APPEALS COt,�•RISSION MEF.TING, AUGUST 1�, 1979 PAG� 16 " C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF R�VIEW: � . � " � With the approval of the variance, the off street parking would be 28� feet including the 2 foot boulevard azea. Parking could all be maintained on the pmperty without encroaching onto public right of way. The building line of sight would not be encroached upon as the house to the west was granted a front yard variance to 30.8 feet (verified at 29.5� in May of 1976 to construct an attached garage and the house to the east was buil�t in 1948 with a setback of 23.3 feet. Ott±er houses along this block also have less thaA the 35 foot setback due to the natural terrnin of the land and the location of the creek. The Department of Natural Resources was contacted and has approved construction • on this Iot with certain conditions in relation to keeping the creek banks in tYseir natural state. Granting approval of this variance would not be setting a precedent for front yaYd variances in this area and would allow development of these lots. r3s. 5chnabel commented that it was a nice wooded lot and hoped he v�ould save as many trees as possibler NIs. Gabel agreed that the trees should be saved and noted that he had done a nice job at the other houses he had built. Mr. Doyle, the petitioner, stated that his map would show the problem better than the aerial photograph. He stated that he had his surveyor go out and show them the water line on the map. The creek was the culpret. What he would like to do is put a home in here that will not be as big as the normal 960. It would be about 9�0 on the main floor and he was trying to �rorlt it in with a garage which was tough on this lot. He showed the Co;nraissioners his proposal. The widest garage he could get on the lot was a single car garage. The house would have a walkout from the lower level looking out to the creek. He could put in a house without a garage and meet aZl the requireMents but wanted to put in the garage. Mr. Plemel agreed that he should have the garage. Mr. Doyle stated that previous owner of the lot got letters from the DNR and had soil borings taken and surveys done and did an extensive amount of work. They took three soil borin�s. He stated it would require extra work but would work out. Mr. Kemper asked if he had a buyer and what the price would be. Mr. Doyle stated that he did not have a buyer. The price would depend on whether or not he finished the lower level. If the lower level were not finished, it would run in the mid to upper �y50's. I�Ir. Doyle stated that he would like to finish the lower level himself and that would push the price up to the $80's. APPEALS COb�'�I25SION PdE�TING, AUGUST 14, 1979 PAGE �17 Ms, Gabel asked if there would be two finished bedrooms on the upper level? Mr. Doyle stated that he could make it two, but he would like to put in one large bedroom up and two bedrooms dovm. Ms. Gabel stated that then he would almo;t have to finish the lower level especially if he sold�to a family with ehildren. l�r. Doyle stated that for a small house, it offered a lot of room. The dimensions were 2� x 96 and with the entryway it would be a little over 940 square feet. Altog�ther, up and down, about ].7$0 square feet, P�4s. Gabel asked if he would put rooms over the garage? • Mr. Doyle stated he wouldn`t with this plan. That would be a 2-story aituation. Ms. Schnabel stated that they were concerned about his staying aF�ay from the water line. bir. Doyle stated that he was we11 aware of that, and he would take extra precaution about that. A4s. Gabel asked if they would have to do any banking or terracing? P3r. Doyle stated that they.would have to.do a little and he would like to create a creek-garden-side effect. Ms. Gabel stated that then the cement block on the back of the garage would be exposed. HIr. Doyle stated that was correct. Ms. Schnabel stated that there wa:> a telephone pole in the middle of the lot and asked if they would move it? I�Ir. Doyle stated that NSP would have to move it. PJis. Schnabel read a letter from Ronald Harnack of the DNR dated October 27, 1978. The letter was addressed to Steve Geis. A copy of the letter is attached to the minutes. t�i0TI0N by i+4r. Kemper, seconded by PSr. Barna, to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICy VOT;, ALL VOTIA'G AYii, CHAIR4v'OP,'IAN SCHNABEL AnCLARED T:iE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 10�10 P.1�I. APP�ALS COP�MI5SION t4E�TING, AUGUST 14, 1979 PAGE 18 Mr. Kemper stated that the petitioner had taken the DNR considerations into account and that the setback was -in line with other setbacks in the area. He stated that he would have no objection to the request. MOTIOf1 by T�4r. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Barna, to approve the request for a variance pursuant to Chapter 205 of the Fridley City Co@e to reduce the front yard setback from the required 35 feet to 262 feet, to allow the construction of a new dwelling at 355 Hugo Street IQ.E. b1s. Schnabel emphasized that the pstitioner,.adhere to the stipulations o£ the DTdR in terms oY the water channel. UPON A YOICE VOT�, AI,I, VOTING AYE, CHAIRt�OI'lIAIQ SCHNABEL Dr.CLARED THE bTOTION CARRIED UTIANII:IOUSLY. P�4s. Schnabel in£ormed the petitioner that he was free to get,a building permit. ADJOUR&fi1ENT � MOTIOId by PRr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to adjourn the August 14, 1979, meeting of the Appeals Commission. UPON A VOIGy VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEi, DECLARED THE I�T�ETING ADJOU:2N�D AT 10i15 P.NL Respectfully submitted� .��..,:�.-l�� Kathy helton, Recording Secretary � � U V U V LS r� ��Lr-.� � -• ��PARTlvl�iVi' OF NA7U32A4. it�SOURC�S Metro Region Waters� 1200 Warner Road, St. Paul� Minnesota 55106 Steve Geis October 27� 1978 Real Estate 10, Inc. . 1635 Coon Rapids Blvd. Mpls.� Minnesota 55433 RE: 7,OTS.63� 64� 65� Blnck A� Riverview Heights ��S„�0 � Dear Mr. Geis: : We have reviewed the survey plan for the above referenced lats in Fridley. . Based on the scaled drawing showing the location of the proposed house� we hate determined no DYR pezxnit is required. „ There aze certain conditions, however, which must be adhered to in order for the construction to proceed. : First� no alteration of the watercourse may occur as part of the develop- ment of the property. . Second� the watercourse shall be considered to be that part of the channel which lies within the banks of the channel. Tn otherwords, the top of the banks of the channel, define the limits of D:tR jurisdiction. Third, the contractor shall ensure that no grading� filling or erosion occurs below the top of the banks of the channel. This includes anp sediments that may wash into the channel by overland flow. We suggest any excess material be re,raoved from the site or stockpiled away from the channel and stabilized with mulch and hay bales. If you have any other questions regarding this natter� please contact Mike Mueller. � Y� truly, �� • RDH:MITi:sb � vr c � -:� R nald � �a r.�ac •r Regional Rydrologist cc:� City of Fzidley� R. Sobiech .� Rice GYeek Watershed District 1 AD MINISTRATIVE SFRVILES • �VAiERS, SOILS, AND MINERAIS • lANDS AN� FORES�tRY � GAME ANO FISN • PARNS AND RECREATI6N • ENF08C£MENT AND P�EID SERVICE � �C� :.;...Sw � � , CITY OF FRIDLEY Vice Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 22, 1979, meeting of the Planning Comraission to order at 7s32 P.P�I. ROLL CALLs t+Iembers Present� Members Absents Others Presents t�s. Schnabel, F�Ir. Oquist, P�s. Hughes, Mr t1lr. Hora Mr. Harris, T��Ir. La�genfeld Jerry Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Associate Planner Treuenfels, APPROVE PLANNING COM[vIISSION SPECIAL MEETING 1�4INUTESs AUGUST l, 1979+ b70TI0N by PRr. Treuen�els, seconded by Mr. Hora, to approve the ugust 1, 1979� minutes of the Special Planning Commission meeting. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWOP�IArd SCHNABEI, DECLARED �HE MQTION CARRIED UNANIIv10USLY. APPROVE PLANNING COMPdI5SI0N b1INUTES� AUGUST 8, 1979i MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by PRr. Oquist, to approve the � 8, 1979, minutes of the Planning Commission. Ms. Schnabel referred`to Page 8 of the minutes and stated that in the fourth paragraph, "Shore" should be changed to "Schroer" and the word "property" should be inserted. Ms. Schnabel also noted that on Page 18 of the minutes, they had discussed the concept of the Energy Commission continuing and how that question should be handled. T�r. Harris had stated that they should think about it some more and ➢Ts. Schnabel wanted to be sure the item would not be lost. She suggested it be placed on the next agenda for discussion. UPOT1 A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRPJOMAN SCHNABEL DECI,ARED THE NIOTION CARRZED UNANIMOUSiY. 1: Mr. Boardman stated that the getitioner had requested this item be continued until September 12, 1979• • / PLANNING COMMISSION F�fEETING. AUGUST 22. 1979 PA1E 2 There was no one in the audience regarding this request. Mr. Oquist asked if Excalibur was a part of Certified Homes? Ms. Schnabel stated that the ownership was the same and it came out at the Appeals Commission meeting that they would like it all to be under the name of Excalibur. The letter which was included with the minutes was on the wrong letterhead. MOTION by PHs. Hughes, seconded by �:4r. Treuenfels, to continue the request for 5P #?9-10 until September 12, 1979• Ms. Schnabel stated that when this item was before the Appeals Commission several questions had come up and she felt the same questions would arise at the Planning Commission level and stated that when they received the Appeals Commission minutes, she would point them out. UPON 9 VOICE VOTE,ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. �> PQOTION by ri7r. Oquist, seconded by MMr. Treuenfels, to open the Public Hearing: UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, YICE GHATRWOPeIATd SCHNABEL DECLARED T;{E PUBi,IC HEARING OPEN AT 7e4$ P.1�1. Mr. Boardman stated that Page 3$ of the agenda indicated the location of the lot. The lot is located on the corner of 76th Avenue and Able Street. The present zoning in the area is R-1 with ihe exception of the lots facing Able and Baker Street which are zoned R-2. The rest of the zoning across the street on Able is R-1 and the majority of the houses in there are single family houses. 1�5r. Oquist asked for a clearer explanation of the zoning. Mr. Boardman stated that the lots west of Able are R-1 and the lots across the street are R-2 and are directly east. They are developed as double bungalows. `Phe lots to the north of 76th Avenue are R-1 lots, and are developed as single family homes. Mr. Boardman stated although the lots generally run east and west, there is a lot split there that has been granted that makes those lots, Lots 1 and 2, go north and south. So, there is a portion of I,ots 1 and 2 in one of the lots on the corner and a portion in another lot. So, actually, the structure would be PLANNING COMMISSIQN MEETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 3 facing 76th Avenue N.E. with the side yard facing Able Street. P�r. Boardman showed the Commissioners the plans for the proposed structure. The plan included the elevations. It would be split right down the middle. There are services to the lot so that would not be a problem. He stated that Staff would prefer to see single family development in that area rather than duplexes to maintain consistency within the neighborhood. If Staff were to make a recommendation, they w�uld recommend denial. �Ts. Hughes asked if they would be 2-bedroom units? Mr. Boardman stated they would. He also stated that the way the lot is set up it would meet the code requirements if a Special Use Permit were granted, There are 10,000 square feet on the lot and that would meet the requirement Yor R-2. Ms. Hughes asked why they were requesting a Special Use Permit? P�Sr. Boardman stated that a Special Use Permit would allow a double bungalow in an R-1 in certain cases so they wouldn't have to go to a rezoning. If conditions were right, and if, for example, there were other double bungalows in the area, a Special Use Permit could be granted to allow this type o£ thing. They have done this in certain areas where they wanted to keep the zoning R-1 but gave special con- siderations for a duplex because of the surrounding properties. The surrounding properties were either industrial or commercial and it was consistent zoning. So, instead of spot rezoning, they request a 5pecial Use Permit. tuTs. Schnabel asked if the survey on Page 3� '�s reflective of the proposed dwelling? Mr. Boardman stated it was. Ms. Schnabel stated that on the Able Street side they show a 35 foot setback, but actually they could go to 17.5. b4r. Boardman stated that was correct and there was adequate room on the lot for the structure. Ms. 5chnabel noted that the garage was to the rear of the property and asked how many parking stalls would be required for a double bungalow if this were approved? PrIr, Boardman stated that they would need 1z stalls per unit on a double bungalow. A 3 stall garage would not be required, all they would need is 12 stalls off-street per unit, wfiich could be driveway. So they could have a 2 car garage and have 4 parking spaces. M�. Schnabel asked if they could have a single car garage with a drive- way wide enough for 2 cars? Mr. Boardman stated they could do it anyway they wanted as long as they have 3 off-street stalls. PLANNING COPifMISSION Pr2EETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 4 Ivir. Oquist asked why Mr. Boardman had recommended denial? Mr. Boardman stated that in his opinion the duplexes along Baker and Able streets z3o provide some buffer between the industrial that is across the street from Baker, and didn't see anv reason for extending the duplexes into the single dwellina area. All the units on that block are single iamily. He did not see any special conditions that would make a duplex necessary. Mr. Treuenfels asked how his recommendation tied in with the overall goal of the City to provide an additional 2300 housing units? P�r. Boardman stated that he felt there were other areas where it would be more suitable to go for higher density. He did not think they should jeopardize single family areas which are lower density areas`just to achieve 2300 units. He felt the �300 units �vould stand regardless of going into single family areas and increasing the density. He did not see any reason for it. b2s. Schnabel stated that one thing that might be deceptive was that on 76th Avenue which would be across the street to the front of this particular structure, there is only one house there and that would be 89� 76th Avenue. The other properties, 855 through 885 are actually school property now and are vacant. So there would be only one home facing this structure-on 76th. The property to the west is school property. b4r, Boardman showed the Commissioners an aerial photograph of the area. Mr. Ted Holsten, the petitioner, came forward and stated that the reason he made the request was that it was a large lot, over 15,000 square feet, and he did not think that it would be out of character to have a double bungalow here when there were doubles across the street £rom it, on the side of the lot. In addition to being large, the difficulty with the lot is that the grade is about 2 to 4 feet below street grade and in addition there is about 3 to 4 feet of peat-like material on the surface. In order to build there they would have to remove that material in order _ to get down to a firn material and more than likely some compaction or extra courses of block. The cost of doing this would make building a single family home prohibitively expensive. The homes in the area, are nice but they aren't high bracket homes such as a lot with these expenses would dictate building. It would have to be a relatively expensive home which he did not think would be salable. Building a double bungalow would increase the land value and they could afford to put more money into the land if necessary. He thought that the reason it went tax- forfeit was that it �ras not economically feasible to build a single family house on it. He talked to the neighbors and they didn't express any particular objections to a double bungal.ow if he built a nice one. He showed them the plans and pictures and they discussed that if he would sell it, it would increase the probability of it being owner occupied. He would agree to this. PZANNING COMIaIISSION n4EETING AUGUST 22 1979 - PAGE 5 Ms. Schnabel stated that then he was not making a guarantee that he would sell it as an owner occupied unit but was building it £or re- sale purposes. Mr. Holsten stated that was correct. Ms. Hughes stated that she had noted a conflict as to the size of the lot and asked ior the correct square footage. Mr. Boardman stated that the lot was 15,040 square feet. Mr. Treuenfels stated that he noted on the plans that the main traffic pattern passes through the kitchen on the first floor and asked if that was standard? Mr. Holsten stated that for a double bungalow of this type, that was standard. He stated that a large number of this type had been built and were salable. Having a long common wall does dictate some con- straints. b1s. 5chnabel asked what size of garage he was planning to build? Mr. Holsten stated that he had proposed a 20x22 which would be a 2 car garage but had forgotten about the 12 stall requirement per unit and would be flexible with regards to that. Mr. Boardman stated that the driveway would qualify. P�r. Holsten statgd that the driveway was about 50 feet long. He felt that a 3 car garage would look big on the lot. �Ir. Oquist stated that 20x22 was a small 2 car garage. N1r. Holsten stated that there would be a full basement far storage. Mr. Boardman asked I�r. Holsten why he chose the design he did and why he didn't go with a design with an attached garage? This design seemed old-fashioned and similar to the ones built in the 1950's and 1960's. It seems quite small. Some of the more rece�t double bungalows or duplexes have attached garages on the lower floor and it gives a separation of living units. Mr. Holsten stated that the problem of putting a garage in the middle of this one is that it adds to the elevation of the building and also adds to the expense of putting in the foundation. The proposed design would have a full baseme,nt and he would have to go several courses be- low that in order to get down to firm footings. If he went to the split- entry-type or the slab-type with the second story on it, it would take a dozen wasted courses of block and would be economically unfeasible to build. He felt this was more attractive than having the garages right in front. PLANNING COMMZSSION I:IEETING, AUGU5T 22. 1979 - PAGE 6 Ms.Schnabel stated that she agreed with T.2r. Boardman only because she felt that with this size of a lot, it could take a larger structure with perhaps 3 bedrooms or something more spacious rather than the minimal size of this p1an. That was why she had brought up the setbacks. He could put a larger structure on this lot. Mr. Holsten stated that he did not think that 3 bedroom double bungalows returned as �vell as 2 bedroom ones. He could have made it larger, but the ones across the street are considerably smaller than this and if you build a large building among small ones, the return is not too good. PJfs. Schnabel stated that those doubles looked fairly big from the front because they are long. Mr. Boardman stated that he was disappointed with the design of the structure. He felt that if the Special Use Permit were to be approved, they should get something that would add a little bit more to the neighborhood rather than just building another structure that is similar to the one across on Able 5treet. Ms. Hughes asked why he didn't face it towards the other double bungalows on Able rather than towards 76th? Mr. Holsten stated that he had thought of that but this pZan didn't lend itself to that and with the lot being 95 feet deep, it wouldn't leave much of a back yard, with the 35 ioot setback and the building being 32 £eet deep, it would only leave a 28 foot baclt yard. He stated that he was not locked in on this particular double bungalow and if it would please the Commission, he could come in with another plan. If the request for a Special Use Permit were granted, he wouldn't be opposed to that. Ms. Hughes stated that the one house next door faces 76th and asked what was on the other two lots? DTs. Schnabel stated that the other houses £aced Van Buren Street. There are really only two houses that iace 76th and they are 876 and 895• Mr. Bill Jordan, 895 76th Avenue NE, came iorward and stated that he had a petition signed by 20 people. Out of 22 homes that he went to, 20 were definitely against it. He stated that they were sick and tired of double bungalows. The person who owms the double bungalow on Able Street does not take care of it. If this is built, he would sell his house. He has lived there seven years and knows that the other neighbors feel the same way. Ms. Schnabel asked if he had any knowledge of the history of this lot from the standpoint of previous owners who did not build on it? D4r. Jordan stated that he was told that a creek runs through there and that is why the grass and trees stay green. His father has lived in Fridley his whole life and he told him there was a creek there once. He reiterated that the neighbors were very against it. PLANNING COMMISSION P4EETING AUGUST 22 1979 - PAGE 7 1�ZOTION by BFis. Hughes, seconded by D1r. Treuenfels, to receive the p�— tit on against the request. I�is. Schnabel read the petition as followsa The following list represents those people who are against the erection of a double bungalow at 7582-7�84 Able Street r1E. It is signed by 20 people. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIR640NIAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MaTION CARRIID UNANII�fOUSLY. 1�4r. John C. Bernardson, 876 - �6th Ave. I3E, came forward and stated that he lives right next door to the lot in question. He stated that when Mr. Holsten first came to his house and told him about the douhle bungalow, he told him at that time that he didn't care either way. But, after thinking about it, he decided he didn't want it, because all the double bungalows on Able look terrible. He stated that he also would move if it is built. He has lived there 3 years. Mr. Richard Lein, 7�50 Able Street, came forward and stated that he was not home when Mr. Holsten came around with the pictures of the structure so he had no idea of what type of structure he had planned. He did talk to him on the phone and he agreed with the financial problems of the lot, but could not agree because it was on his side of the street opposite a dnuble bungalow and they have had a lot of problams with the double bungalows. They are not kept up. Nir. Bernardson stated that people renting a double bungalow don't care what it looks like and the owners don't care. They might be nice when they are first built, but after a few years they become run down. He thought the lot should be cleaned up but didn't think a double bungalow was the answer. DZs. Hughes asked if the lots that the school owns were platted and if they could be sold for residences. trZr. Boardman stated there wexe platted and if the school decided to sell they could be developed as R-1. It is zoned R-l. Ms. Hughes asked if t+loodcrest had any plans to close that sChool and if the 1ot met the minimum requirements of the state as far as area without these lots? P�Zr, Boardman stated that as far as he knew the Schoo]. District planned to keep Woodcrest open at this time. In their Comprehensive Plan it looked like they would continue the operation of the school and there- fore wou2d not sell these lots. P�Ir. Holsten stated that he was disappointed at the response of the neighbors and was not aware of the objections they had expressed here. He wished they had expressed them when he had talked to them because he has put more money into the project since then. It seemed that the PT.ANNING COP�4ZSSION PHEETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 8 major problem was that the neighbors were relating him to the owners of the property across the street. He doesn't know those people and didn't 3ee1 he should be judged because of what they did. He stated he had built several double bungalows and none of them look like the ones across the street. They are well maintained. He noted that a single family home could deteriorate also. That is a function of the owner. He would be willing to guarantee that he would se11 the double bungalow after it is built and therefore, there would be a high pro- bability that it would be owner occupied. Ms. Hughes asked 2�4r. Holsten if he had other property in F'ridley? Mr. Holsten stated he did not. He has had property in Columbia Heights at 39th and Ulysis. He built four double bungalows there and would be willing to show them to any interested parties. PdOTION by P�is. Hughes, seconded by LTr. Treuenfels, to close the Public iiearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE C:iATR��IOTiAId SCHNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOS� AT 8 i 15 P.I�I . l�is. Hughes asked about the advisability of using Special Use Permits rather than rezoning. Philosophically it seems to be a cop-out to her and yet it also provides some protection to the area because if that use ever changes it reverts to the zoning. She would like some dis- cussion regarding the question of Special Use Permits rather than re- zoning. Ms. Schnabel stated that she was surprised that it came as a 5pecial Use Permit also. The feeling in the past has been, in dealing with Special Use Permits (SUP), the Planning Commission has generally been a little leary of them because the burden of proof is more on the City than on the petitioner in terms of approval or denial. Part of the agenda is to receive a new memorandum on this question of SUP from the City Attornery. She did know that philosophically in thepast, the Planning Commission has preferred to see them handled straight out, Mr. Boardman stated that at one time the Council had asked the Planning Commission to look at the question of whether it would be better to have a SUP or rezoning and not allow a duplex in an R-1. He believed that at that time the Planning Commission did send a recommendation to keep the double bungalow with a SUP, because there were certain conditions they might want to look at as far as a SUP for a double bungalow if there were special conditions. He was not sure what the Council's attitude was at that time, but it was his understanding that they wanted to eliminate that because it does create a problem in certain aspects. St is an easier way for somebady to get a_double bungalo•_ Although either one requires a public��ing. PLANNING COMMISSION Pi1EE2ING AUGUST 22 1 - PAGE I�s. Schnabel stated that in this situation it is almost like rezoning because they are taking an isolated lot and giving it a new twist. They would be permitting something to be built on other than what it was zoned for� and she thought that whether they ca12 it rezoning or call it a Special Use Permit, the ultimate result would be same. So they have to look at whether that was the intent of the original zoning plan. In terms oi rezoning, several people on the Board have been con- sistent in opposing spot rezoning. Mr. Oquist stated that rezoning was permanent where a SUP is temporary. Mr. Boardman stated that was not really the case because a Special Use Permit is granted to the land not the structure or owner. Once a SUP is granted that automatically allows another use that would be similar to that. If the building was destroyed the building could be replaced without another public hearing. He noted that a SUP gives the City a certain amount of control because they can place certain conditions on it such as allowing it for one year with annual review and also the Council can revoke a SUF. �owever, with a rezoning, a special process would be required. In some cases they allowed a SUP for the construction of double bungalows in an R-1 where there was industrial across from it which made the property undesirable for R-1 if they were good looking units. Ms. Schnabel stated that she disagreed that the SUP were usually granted to the land. It seemed to her that they were granied io the owner. Mr. Boardman stated that was the case in some instances, but in most cases, it was granted to the land. P.1s. Schnabel stated that in this case it would have to go to the lot because Dir. Holsten planned to se1L fl7s. Hughes asked how the decision was made to ask for a SUP or rezoning? Mr. Boardman stated that when a petitioner comes in, Staff looks at it and advises them as to what route they would have the best chances with. In this case, he felt the rezoning would never be approved. He stated that he could never approve a rezoning here. The only way he would approve a SUP was with a lot of special conditions for the protection of the neighbors. Even then, he was very cautious becuase he didn't feel either rezoning or a Special Use Permit was in the best interest of the neighborhood or the City. They try to give the petitioner the best direction they can as to which way to go and which way would be his best chance, if they feel there is any hope at all. In some cases, they try to discourage the developer from going at all. Mr. Treuenfels asked Mr. Boardman to elaborate on the case oY Holasek v the Village of P=Yedina which was mentioned in the memo from riTr. Herrick regarding Special Use Permits. PZANNING COMIu1I5SI0N M�ETING, AUGUST 22. 1979 - PA�� 10 Mr. Treuenfels read the following statement from the memos "a denial of the permit must be for reasons related to public health, safety, and general welfare." This statement was on Page 3 of the memo. t�r. Boardman stated that when they talk about general welfare they were referring to the general welfare of the neighborhood. If the City feels that a structure would not be in the best interestes of the City or the development of a neighborhood, those would be grounds for denial. The difference between a rezoning and a Special Use Permit is that the reasons for denial for a 5UP falls upon the City and the City must give the reasons for the denial. Under zoning, the petitioner has to give grounds as to why it should be rezoned. He stated that you can lay out pretty strong grounds against a SUP if you want to deny it. General welfare is a very broad category. i'r1r. Oquist stated that Page 4 discussed the standards. Ms. Schnabel stated there was also a statement where in terms of gen�ral public weliare, it should not impair the use, enjoyment and value of any property. D4r. Boardman stated that when they talk about a SUP in a residential area, they generally have a lot of grounds. 117s. Schnabel stated that another thing that makes it difficult is that in working with SUP, they have to be very careful in a denial that they cite legal reasons to substantiate the denial. I£ the petitioner has presented the case in such a manner that it meets all the code require- ments, and it does not infringe upon the health, safety, and welfare, including all Nervices such as the 44ater Department, the Police Depart- ment, and the Fire Department, of the general public, it would arbitrary to deny the Special Use Fermit. In order to deny it, we must present the legal reasons why they recomnend denial. That's where the burden of a SUP becoMes very difficult. She stated that they nake a recommendatior. to Council and Council has the final decision. i�s. Hughes stated that she sensed a change of attitude on some of these things. For a long time Cities were running scared and the case laws supported it. She believes that has changed over the past few years. The test of it is obviously when a denial getstaken to court by the petitioner. She felt the cities have been much to scared about denying Special Use Permits and rezonings. In a situation like this she would be tempted to make the decision on Mr. Treuenfels basis of needing more housing which is in the public interest and would overbalance disrupting a neighborhood. She did not want them to run scared on SUP because generally she thought they were an "easy rezoning". She asked if they could delay a decision on this until they had received the memo? Ms. Schnabel stated that if they wanted to do that, they would have to table the request either until they had received the memo or for two weeks. PLANNING COMMISSION AIEETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 11 P+1r. Hora asked why they should table it. They have worked with Special Use Permits before and he was sure they had never not denied one. T�s. Hughes stated that she would like to know if there was something new in there. But she agreed and stated she was ready to vote. �4r. Treuenfels quoted the statement on the bottom of pa�e � of the memo regarding the case of Bec� v City of St, Paul. &lOTION by P:1r. Hora, seconded by P:Is. Hughes, to recornmend to Council deniaZ of the request:'for SP #79-08, by Exemplar, Inc, Per Section 2o5•�53. 3� D, to allaw the construction of a double bungalow in R-1 zonin� (single family dwelling units), on Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Shaifer's Subdivision No. 1, lying East o£ the West 90 feet thereof, the sa�ne being 7582-8�+ Able Street N.E., based on 5taff's recommendations. P�4r. Holsten re�uested it be tabled so he could talk to the neighbors again and see if they could arrive at a solution. Mr. Boardman stated that he felt the Commissioners should consider whether they want to allow any duplex or whether it would be a matter of continuing. b7r. Hora stated that he felt it was placing a burden on the property owners because they had presented a petition and they have decided they don't want a double bungalow in there. If we table it again, he would have to get another petition. Ms. Schnabel stated there were several alternatives. The petitioner could withdraw the request at any time and the second alternative was that if the Board wanted to act upon it now, at the time it goes before the City Council, the petitioner could bring in either the same plan or a new one after he talks with the neighbors. She noted that Council was the final authority. Mr. Boardman stated that the meeting at the Gouncil would not have to be a public hearing. Mr. Hora stated that the petitioner could present new evidence. Mr. Jordan stated that the building had nothing to do with it. I1ew plans would not change the situation. They don't want any double bungalows in there. Y�7s. Schnabel stated that if the neighbors were not interested in discussing it again with t+1r. Holsten, then there was no reason to continue it. P�ir. Oquist asked if it would make a difference if it were owned by the people living in it? If both sides were owner occupied? NTr. Jordan stated that still wouldn't make any difierence because they could still sell it and it would become rental property. Mr. Boardman noted that there was nothing to stop a sing2e family house from becoming rental property. PLAiVNING COMMISSION P+i�ETIIdG AUGUSi 22, 1979 - FAG� 12 N'.s. Hughes stated that with the cost of housing, the man had a point in trying to provide this type of housing and we also have an obligation to provide housing for £uture generations. It isn't all a case oi people who rent being no good. Her personal philosophy was:to oppose this kind of special use, but we also have to provide housing. Ms. Hughes stated that we have some severe probleMS in this State with housing. Iiowever, she did not like R-1 neighborhoods spot re- zoned. 5he felt there were some serious welfare problems connected with that and she did not feel it served the City well. The orienta- tion of this particular unit is the wrong way to give much justice to R-2. It faces into areas that could be R-1 across the street, and the neighboring houses are oriented in such a way that they ought to be able to expect some protection. Those are generally the reasons why she would oppose the Special Use Permit. The primary one being, however, is that the Special Use Permit in this case is really in lieu of rezoning which she felt was the proper way to handle this request. UPON A VOICE VOTE, I,IR. OaUIST, TIS HUGtii5, T�4S. SCHNABEL, P�;R. HORA VOTING AY�, AND P?R. TR�UENFSLS ABSTAIIIING, VICE CHAIRWOB7AN SCIiP1ABEL D�CLARED THE MOTION CARRIFD. Ty1�. Schnabel informed the petitioner that they had recommended denial and it would go to Council on September 1Q, 1979. :+Tr. Boardman stated it would not be a public hearing but the Council would entertain questions from the petitioner and also from the neighbors and they would encourage-all interested parties to attend. 3:_ MOTION by I�Zr. mreuenfels, seconded by bir. Oquist, to open tne Public Hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICr� CHAIRWOIdIAN SCdNABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8�52 P.P�i. T�Tr. Boardman stated that this property was located just west of Central Auto Parts on 73z Ave, and is kind o£ surrounded by the mobile home lots, or rather their selling yard, i�7r. Boardrnan shovaed the Commissioners an aerial photograph of the area. He stated that a Special Use Permit was gran�ed to the mobile home to set up,a display area here. The request is from a commercial zone to an industrial zone. I�ir. Boardman indicated on the aerial view which of ihe property in the area was commercial and which was industrial. They would like to put in a storage yard, a construction office with Royal Electric operating on one side and a construction operation on the other side. PLANNING CONIMISSIOI3 It'fEETING AUGUST 22. 1979 - FAGE 13 Ms. Hughes asked who owned it? Mr. Boardman stated tnat the lots in question were Lots 7, 8 and 9. Lots 4, $ and 6 are owned by the trailer operation. Lot 1 is owned by the City of Fridley because of the pump house. I,ots 2 and 3 are not owned by either operation. The lots in question are owned by Gus Doty. If it is rezoned it wi11 be sold to the petitioners. They may not want to buy it if it is not rezoned. Mr. Oquist noted that it was surrounded by light industrial all around with the exception of that one area. P�Ir. Boardman stated that his recommendation that eventually where the trailor sales is, it would all be industrial. He felt �that the ilzrther back you go from the main thoroughfare, the less desirable the property is for commercial. P•Zs. Schnabel stated that she agreed and that she could not see a shopping center of some kind going in here. There would be no way to see it, While she generally opposes spot rezoning, she felt this was similar to the situation on Old Central where it is a more com- patible use for what is already existing there. Mr. Oquist stated that he did not think this was really spot rezoning because the property to the east and the property to the south is already r�i-1 so what they were really doing was extending it. PRr. Boardman stated that it was really a planned rezoning, and eventually all of this area would be industrial. He would recomm�nd it go that directi m. He would like to see them eliminate as Much strip commercial as possible and he felt this was the intent of the City. Ms. Schnabel also noted that this was not a spot that they would ever want to change to residential zoning. Ivir. Boardman stated that when they were discussing the zoning code, they had discussed eliminating uses in this area such as the junk yards, etc. t;r. James L•ondon and T-qr. i�lichael D. Gannucci, the petitioners, came forward and AIr. London stated that he was in the home construction business and his partner, P�Ir. Gannucci, was an electrical contractor. He stated that they plan to build the building for their own use and would maintain their o£fices in the building. P+1s. 5chnabel referred to the site plan they were shovm and noted that they had off-street parking and a storage yard which would be all screened. PLANNING COPRMISSION MESTING AUGUST 22 1979n - PAGE l� �1r. Boardman stated that screening fences were required between all adjacent zones other than industrial zones so they would have to have a fence along the north and west and it would have to be a solid wood screening fence. On the west it wouZd deFinitely have to be a solid wood screening fence, and on the north a chain link with wood slats or something like that would be alright. That would ha've to be worked out. t�r. London stated that for their own protection they would want a fence. Ms. Schnabel asked if they had an option on the property at this time based on the rezoning? P�ir. London stated that was correct. T�s. Schnabel asked when they would proceed if the request were granted? Mr. London stated they would like to start this fall. Ms. Hughes stated that she had noted that the signature on the application was the signature of the petitioner rather than the ownership. She felt that the owner of the property should sign that. Mr. Boardman agreed and stated that P.7r. Doty should have signed it and that he was aware of this. P�Zs. Hughes stated that in the future that should be handled correctly. P1[s. Schnabel asked if the size of the property met the requirements for M-1 zoning? Pdr. Boardman stated that it did and it was over 3/4 of an acre. MOTION by I�Is. Hughes, seconded by P.Tr. Oquist, to close the Public Hearing. UPONAA VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTZNG AYE, VICE CHAIRWOP�'IAN SHCPdASEL DECLARED THE PUBI,IC HEARING CI,OSED AT 9:08 P.tr'i. T,Ir. Oquist stated that he £eZt this was a satisfactory use of the land and there was industrial around it. MOTION by P:�r, Oquist, seconded by Pdr. Hora, to recommend to Council approval of Rezoning Request, ZOA #79-06, by James E. London and Michael D. Gannuccit Rezone I,ots 7, 8 and 9, Block 1, Central View P�Zannor, from C-2S (general shopping areas) to T+;-1 (light industrial areas) to allow the construction of a new industrial building, the same being 1175 73� Avenue TI.E. UPON A VOICn VOTE, AI,I, VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIBi�10Is9AI'd SCHNAII�I, DECLARED THE t�SOTION CARRIED UTIANIL40USLY. PI,ANNING COMI�IISSION IvTEETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGi� 15 D3s. Schnabel informed the petitioner that this would go to Counc'_.. on September 10, 1979 and a public hearing would be set for Octo"ber 8, 1979• 4. Pdr. Oquist stated that he would like to have time to read it. TvIs. Schnabel agreed and requested it be placed on the next agenda for discussion purposes. 5he also requested a copy be sent to Nir. Harris and t�ir. Langenfeld and also to each member of the Appeals Commission because it also deals with variances. P:i0TI0N by i,Yr. Oquist, seconded by i�is. Hughes, to receive the memorandum from Virgil Herrick, the City Attorney, dated August 2, 1979• UPON A Y�ICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPtG AYE, VICr� CHAIRWONIAN SCHNABEL D�CLARED THE D50TION CARRIED UNANIP�'tOUSLY. Vice Chairwoman Schnabel declared a recess at 9:10 P.1�7. and reconvened the meeting at 9�25 P•I;�• °`� � CONTINUED c COP4PRnHEPdSIVE DLVELOPTdLNT PLATd s TRANSPORTATION: T�Is. Schnabel stated that the Community Development Commission concurred with the Transportation Plan and theParks and Recreation did not dis- cuss it. I+Tr. Treuenfels stated that he found the philosophical comments in the Introduction helpful even though he did not agree with all of them. P7,AN DIRECTIO,v'� t,:r. Treuenfels stated that he felt �4 should be �1. ile felt that �4 should be the top priority. P.Yr. Boardman stated that they were not listed in priority. T3r. Treuenfels asked that if it were retyped, the order be changed as he suggested. He felt #4 should be their primary goal. T�1s. Hughes agreed and felt that �4 should be #1 and �5 should be #2. Also, she felt that maintenance of the existing system could be im- provement of. PLANNING COTtiMISSION b4EETING. AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAuL 16 Mr. Deblon stated that �2 took care of improvements. He stated that in the real world they had to maintain what they have and when they get the chance, and the money, make changes and improvements. He felt that the oY'der they were listed in had a certain flow to it. T�Ir. Oquist noted that when �omething is numbered, it is always read in order. Mr. Boardman suggested they replace the numbers with dots. Mr. Oquist agreed. t�Is. Hughes stated that maintenance did not have to be a priority. l�ir, Boardman stated that it was a priority because that's what the people in the City want. 5afety is primary and maintenance is for safety. Mr. Treuenfels stated that he felt that maintenance was a small part of serving transit needs. GOAI,S e P.4s. Hughes recommended the insert "conservation of energy" after the word "efficiency". The Commissioners concurred. Ms. Hughes stated that it appeared to deal primarily with roads and she felt this was the v�rrong emphasis. Obiective 1, PolicY 1-B: t�ir. Treuenfels asked ho�v the City would do that? I:?r. Boardman stated they would make safety improvements such as signalization, speed limit controls, etc. Obiective 2. Policv 1-A: Pds. Schnabel questioned the word "promote". She feli they really had to develop park and ride sites. T�ir. Boardman stated they would try to promote cooperative efforts with businessmen to allow joint uses of parking lots and that type of thing. He stated that they had one site now at the Arena. A plan was developed and sent to the t�YTC but they don't have the money for it now and it was put on ice. He felt it should be encouraged, however. He went on to mention several possible locations such as Menards and Northtawn. abiective 2 Policv 2-A Pc 2-Be P�Tr. Treuenfels asked what the difference was between these tv�o policies? t+Tr. Deblon stated that it appeared to be a typing error and he would look into it. PLAPINIDIG C0�'R�"IISSION MEETING. AUGUST 22, 1979 - _ PAGE 17 Objective 2, Polic.y 6� Mr, Treuenfels asked if we really had that many options as to where they would develop housing? TwTr. Boardman stated that if they were going to be looking at housing for the disadvantaged, they should be looking at locating that housing in areas where they can provide that transit. Nlr, Oquist asked if it wouldn't be easier to bring the transit to the area, especially if there was a high volume of need ir. the area? P�ir. Soardman stated that the problem was they needed a turn-around area and also there are problems with taking the buses through residential areas to turn them around. Ms. Hughes stated they would have to start looking at jitneys and multiple use cabs and things like that. Tv1r. Treuenfels stated they had to think of alternatives and make their desires kno�vn. I:Ts. Hughes explained that a jitney was a vehicle that ran on a scheduled route continuously but not on a time scnedule. It is a shuttle service. It could be anything from vans to stationwagons, or taxicabs that can accept more than one fare at a time. Obiective 2, PolicY 5: Ms. Hu�hes asked why this wasn't a separate objective. She felt this was critical and very important. Mr. Boardman stated that they felt it was a part of Objective 2. b'ir. Treuenfels asked if it wouldn't be better to delete the word "necessity"? The Commissioners concurred. Obiective 3: P,ir. Treuenfels noted that "con�estion" was spelled wrong in the statement under the objeetive. Ob:iective 3� Policv 1-A� Ms. Hughes asked if this would be rewritten? P:'Ir. Deblon stated it was and would read as iollows� "The City should analyze these improvements to determine if they� 1) improve localized movements within the community. 2) adversely e£fect the natural and social environment. 3) adversely effect the overall economic well-being of the city." The words "do not" were deleted. PLANNING COMMISSIOTV1�iEETING AUGUST 22. 1979 - PAGE 18 Ob'ective 3� Policv 1� D�r. Treuenfels asked for an example of regional transportation faeilities. Pr4r. Deblon cited the interstate and the railroad as examples. Mr. Boardman explained analyze improvements on items listed. Obiective 3, that they were saying they should continue to it to see if those improvements improve the Ms. Schnabel referred to the statement under Objective 3 with regards to the fourth sentence which states "Th$s north-south movement has Made local east-west movement increasingly difficult. .. the City should work with the appropriate agencies to reduce the negative effects." She asked what the thinking 6ehind that was and what they could do? Pir. Boardman stated that one of the main questions was how they would get pedestrian movement across there. One of the things they may have to do is work with those agencies to get over-passes or under-passes and/ or a chan�e in the signalization system which will allow that pedestrian movement to cross. Another way would be to work with the Rice Creek bike/way system. -"—�.- ScFinabTas� about the pedestrian movement from the Village Green. P�Ir. Boardman stated they really haven't done any monitoring of that and thought they should. Ms. Schnabel stated that in reference to traffic in neighborhoods,and commercial strips in neighborhoods, she felt that as �ve are being en- couraged more and more to conserve gas and walk or bike, those neighbor- hood centers become more important. In fact, many people are talking about the neighborhood grocery store returning. She felt that should go part and parcel with some of these thoughts. Mr. I3oardman stated that this was discussed in Policy 3,A, B, �c C. Those policies discussed traffic control and noise in residential areas. P!Is. Schnabel stated that in regards to this, they should be careful not to cut off all the access so the fire trucks cann't get in. T�Ir. Boardman stated that there were conflicts because when they try to provide the most e£ficient system for police or emergency vehicles, they are also providing the most efficient type of system for automobile use also. So you run into the same type of system because they are one and the saMe. PLANNING CCNIMISSION P�iEETIIdG, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PE1�'*� �-9 Objective 4: Ms. Hughes asked if this wouldn't be a good spot for I:Is, Schnabel's comments about looking at zoning codes for appropriate neighborhood 5ervices? Mr. Deblon stated that he thought that the Land Use Section dealt with that. Mr. Boardman stated that he didn't think the City was big ennugh that they would develop neighborhood grocery stores. The locations are close enough to the Center City areas and the Shorewood area, etc. You might have to walk 5 or 6 blocks which is not excessive. t�Ir. Treuenfels stated that with the oil shortage he felt they should rethink the mandatory requirement of having so many parking stalls for a home. He felt it should be left up to the homeowner. T�r. Oquist stated that the parking requirement was just to make sure they had a place to park off the street. l�r. Boardman asked what kind of statement they would want? Ms. Hughes stated that Policy 3-B under Objective 4 in the Land Use 5ection came close to what she had in mind. She would like something like that said here. Ms. Schnabel stated that Objective 4 in the Transportation seemed to deal more with physical movement rather than the loc«tion of service centers. P.ir. Deblon stated that he felt it was covered in the I,and Use Section. Sds. Hughes stated that wouTd suffice. INVENTORY: N:r. Deblon stated that they were reworking this section. They had new data based on the new projections on the gas shortage. Mr. Boardman stated that the Cor.unissioners had all the maps on the Transportation section with the exception of the ADT IsIap. They had problems with the figures given to them. He stated they might not be able to show a 1990 ADT traffic projection based on those calculations. Pds. Schnabel referred to the projected figure of 75,000 on 694. She stated that would change if there was a new bridge by 1990. Mr. Boardman stated that that figure was not necessarily correct. There were discrepancies in some of these fi�xres. Also, he noted that 694 would be increased to a six lane highway. PI,ANNING COMMISSION P+iEETIPdG. AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 20 Waterwavss Ms. Schnabel asked where the public landing and access would be? t+'Ir. Boardman stated thsy were looking at the highway salt storage location south of the bridge. That would be the best access and location £or a boat landing and it would be developed as part of the Great River Road Park Plan System. The County would take over the salt storage area right on the river and utilize the lower area for boat launchings. Pds. Schnabel asked if it was feasible to put motorized and non-motorized vehicles on the river? Mr. Boardman stated that south of 694 was not too bad, but beyond the Islands of Peace it could be a problem, It would depend on the boat. Mr. Oquist stated that this statement read like a policy. DZs. Hughes stated that she felt it should be in the Parks Section. Nir. Boardman agreed that it should be deleted and stated he would check for other statements like that in the inventories. Public Transitc P.Is. Schnabel referred to the third paragraph in this section and stated that there were people who might take exception to that statement. D1r. Deblon stated they would be rewriting tnat. SEWERSs I�Tr. Boardman stated that the Sewer Plan Goal was out of place and should be after the Introduction. Introductioni Mr. Oquist referred to the third paragraph in the Introduction and stated he was not so sure Fridley had a quality sewer and storm sewer system. It seemed to him that every Spring, one or two broke near his house. Mr. Deblon stated that comparing it to Minneapolis and St. Paul, it was very good. Objective 1: P,Ts. Hughes asked if they were �oing to include a statement to the effect that they would monitor the quality of water in the City including business and industrial affecting public water, etc.? P�'r. IIoardman stated that this section re�erred to drinking water. It was water treatment and supp].y. They were referring strictly to the pipe system and underground system for drinking water. PLANNING COI�:TISSION r:IyETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 -n ��� 21 Mr. Deblon suggested they insert the word "domestic". N1r. Boardman agreed. Oblective 2� Ms. Hughes referred to the third line in the statement under Objective 2. She felt this was a policy and wouid ki e to see it as either an objective or a policy. Mr. Boardman stated Resources section. supply. it was an objective or policy under the Environmental ?fe didn't think it fit under the domestic water S�ir. Deblon stated this section deals with piping the water. The water source is @ealt with in the Enviroruaental Resources section. t+is. Hughes stated that would suffice. Ob:iective 2, Polic.y 2-B� I�is. Hughes suggested they change tiie word "encourage" to "regulate" and do it by perr.iit which would bring money into the City. She would like to regulate it. There are certain size users that have to have permits to do this and they are controlled by the Pollution Control Agency. The reason it is done by permit is they don't do it if they aren't required to do it. She was not so sure that shouldn't apply to smaller industrial users as well. 39hile you can enaourage it, she doesn't have much faith in that kind of process. T.Tr. Boardman stated it only becomes a process when it becomes economically feasible for them to do it. If it is not economically feasible, they are not going to do it and the same applies to the homeowner. Ms. Hughes stated that it wouldn't be economically feasible until a penalty is enforced. That was the process with air pollution. P�1r. Boardman stated that he could see encouraging it but wasn't sure about re�;ulating it. NIr. Hora stated that it had to be reasonable. P.1s. Hughes stated that she would go along with "encourage". Obiective 3s TvIs. 5chnabel asked �vhy they were going into this since this is the way it is done anyway. She asked why they were highlighting that? Pdr. Boardman stated that all they were saying was that it should be continued. It is a policy of the City. NIs. Schnabel stated they should be consistent and have it t_hroughout PLANNING COT�PQISSIOTd P?IEETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGS 22 SECTION II. SEWERS� Objective 3:e is,r. Hora asked ii the idea for the Fridley t^Iaste Water Treatment Plant was still on the books with the P•:t�1CC to put in a Northern Tier Treatment Plant? Mr. Boardman stated it was sti11 layed out in it as a secondary cycle. P�Ts. Schnabel stated that in both the sanitary system and the storm sewer system, nothing was stated about evaluating the amount of service given to specific areas as areas increase in density. �he present service may be inadequate. She was referring in particular to the River- view Heights area. They often hear comr.ients about the size of the lines there. I,Ir. Boardnan stated that accordin� to the Engineering Department, the systems �vere adequate for a population of 44,000. He stated that there were no storm sewers in that particular area. There were catch basins at the end of the streets and the water was then directed into the river. P�Yr. Deblon stated that was covered under Objective 3, Policy 1. P�;s. Schnabel stated that would cover it. P!Ts. Schnabel asked if they had some safeguard to ensure that there is no pollution by either existing or future businesses? She was referring to sanitary sewers in particular. P4r. Hora stated that the L4etropolitan 49aste Control Commission had the authority to control the sanitary sewers. The pipes are maintained by the City but the Commission controls what goes into it. TzZr. Boardman stated that Objective 3, Policy 3 covered_ the storm system. He referred to Objective 1, Policy 4 and stated that the policy c✓as that if there was a sewer available, all units must be connected. On site sanitary sewer disposal is not allowed. iie felt they should make a policy stateMent on that. ile felt they should delete Policy 4 under Objective l. PrIr. Hora suggested they include a statement regardin� new and i:uzovative systems being evaluated. P1r. Boardman stated they could do that. They could make the statement that they would cooperate with other agencies in evaluating new and innovative waste treatment systems. The Commissioners concurred. PLATdNIPTG COIVII�4ISSIOTvT i;'fEETITdG, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAC_F' 23 Ob:iective 3: I�ls. Hughes suggested they add a Policy 5 which would say that the City should prohibit the filling and development of N�ater storage areas and water recharge areas. T.:r. Boardman stated that rvould come under Environmental Resources. Iv7s. Hughes stated that it should be in here for control of storm run- off. She feTt it should be cross-referenced. T�ir. Boardman stated they could cross-reference i`t under Gbjective 3, Policy 2. Bis. iiughes stated that would be fine. S�CTIOPd III. SCLID WASTF� TQs. Hu�hes referred to the last two lines in the second paragraph regarding finding alternative landfill sites in the northQrn part of the metro areas. She felt they shouldn't be landfilling or encouraging that any more. She felt they should look for alternatives. t�[r. Boardman stated that the problem was that the current landfill site would be filled within two years and an alternative would not be developed in time. So, they would have to find another landfill site. r�Is. Hughes stated that I�TPCA was looking at no more landfills. Mr. Hora stated that he understood they were and their EIS on the Wood Lake landfill would be coMing out soon on expansions. He was not sure if they were looking on expansions of that in particular or in general, but he stated they had to put it somewhere. Pdr. Boardman stated that the present site was only two years to capacity and the Comprehensive Plan for Anoka County included finding a new site because a whole new system to eliminate garbage: would not be developed within two years. S+Tr. Oquist noted that Objective 2 deals with alternative ways of reducing waste. Ms. Hughes stated that would suffice. INVENTORY: Mr. Deblon stated this section would be rewritten and what is basically says is that the system is adequate for the projected 44,000 People. MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by P.7r. Treuenfels, to close the Public eFi aring. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, YICE CHAIRVfOR'fAPd SCHT3AB5L DECI,ARED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COri1PREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN CLOSED AT 10:55 P.��. PLANNZNG COMMISSIOA' N'EETING AUGUST 22 1979 - PAG� 24 MOTION by Bir. Treuenfels, seconded b� i:ir. Oquist, to send the Comprehensive Development Plan as amended to Council. UPON A VGICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWO�qAN SCHNABEL D�CLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. �'A CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES IP1 CHAPTER 205 ZONING: MOTION by Tt�r. Oquist, seconded by I�(x�. Treuenfels, to continue the discussion on the �roposed changes to Chapter 205 Zoning. UPON A YOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWOhTAN SCHIQABEL DECLARED TI-� N:OTIQ�iCARRIED UNANII�fOUSLY. 7• REGEIVE HUNIAN RESUURCES COPdMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 2, 1979: �IO� TION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by PQr. Oquist, to receive the Human Resources Commission minutes of August 2, 1979• Ms. Schnabel noted that there was a motion in the minutes that the City of Fridley fund a$1,000 contribution to the Senior Citizen Qut- Reach Program. I�Zr. Boardman recommended that the Planning Commission return this to the Human Resources Commission and at the end of the year the Human Resources would organize their priorities. I�Zr. Boardman stated that the City P,Ianger had issued a memo regarding contributions and requesting that all requests for contributions be held until the end of the year when they should be ranked for priority. He requested that they table the item until he gave them a copy of the memo. Ms. Hughes stated that with that system, they would establish the budget without any knowledge of the requests. Mr. Boardman stated that in order to judge how much they want to give these people, they have to judge how many requests they get and how much money is available. They set the budget and then prioritize the requests. P+Zs. Hughes stated that she thought it was a dumb system. They should collect the requests and have the criteria and priorites and then budget for it. Not the other way around. Mr. Boardman stated that was one way to do it but before you approve expenditures, you have to see if it is in the budget. All they are saying is that before you approve a recommendation on a$5,000 expen- diture, they want some priorities set. T�r. Oqust stated that a certain amount should be set aside each year for these requests, .� PLAPJIZING COI�iIaiISSIOPi T�EETING, AUGUST 22, 1979 - PAGE 25 Ms. 5chnabel referred to page 4 of the minutes and asked that the Planning Commission be notified of the open house at the seniors building. Ms. Schnabel referred to page 5 of the minutes regarding the Village Green and a lack of transportation for the handicapped, She suggested that perhaps one of the Commissions would like to study the situation. Mr. Treuenfels stated that P+Is. Van Dan stated that many of the handi- capped expressed a preference for the P;linneapolis area especially the downtown area or near that area, so they would be close to everything and buslines. UEOTd A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIATG AYE, VICE CHAIRWON�AN SCHNABEI, DECLARED THE Y�10TION CARRIED UNANITr70USLY. PdOTION by [�4r. Oquist, seconded by PHr. Hora, to table the request for a contribution to the Anoka County Senior Citi2en Outreach Program untiZ the next meeting. 1�Ts. Hughes stated that she wanted to know what the dollar amount in the City Budget is for contributions. She would like that stated in the memo. T�ir. Boardman stated that there was no dollar amount alloted and that fact is stated in the memo. UPON A VOIC� VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRWOtdIAN SCHPdABEI, DECLARED THE N10TION CARRIED UNANIPdOUSZY. 8< RECEIVE APPEALS COP•iPdIISSION IVIIPdUTES: AUGUST 14, 1979: MOTION by D4r. Treuenfels, seconded by Idr. Oquist, to receive the Appeals Commission minutes of August 14, 1979• iJlr. Oquist asked if the proposed homes on Riverview Terrace were mobile homes. Ms. Schnabel stated they were not. The lower section of the houses would be built on the site and the top half constructed in a factory. 5he stated that the Appeals Commission had several questions regarding this request that should be highlighted. She was unhappy with their drainage plan. A1so, there was a question about the need of fire walls and if windows would be allowed on that side of the houses. The houses are only 10 feei apart and the Appeals Commission �vas concerned about the spread of fire. She stated that the paxtner of I�+Ir. Passborg got excited about the possibility of building a house on pilings and he seemed interested in building a single house. The item was tabled to give them time to review their situation. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIRtiti'OP.9AN SCHNABEL DECZARr,D THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIT�OUSLY. PI,ANNING COMMISSION P�3EETING AUGUST 22 1979 - PAGE 26 ` 9. ADJOURTdP,TENT: F�OTION by i�1r. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the ugus 22, 1979 meeting of the Planning Commission. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, VICE CHAIR1dOMAN SCHNABEL DECI,ARED THE t�ETING ADJ�URNED AT 11:15 P.T�i. Respectfully submitted: ��d7� i .a!/�f% z e!c.. I'iathy S ton, ecording Secretary