PL 09/12/1979 - 6661City of Fridley
AGENDA
PLANNINf COPIMISSION A6ENDA IdEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:'
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`�APPROVE PLANNING COb1MISSION MINU7ES: AOGOST 22 1979
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Per Section 205.157, 5, D, of the Fridley City Gode, to
allow the construction of two dwellings on Lots 27-30,
Block S, Rivervie4r Heights, in CPR-2 zoning (Flood Plain),
the same being 8125 and 8133 Riverview Terrace N.E.
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REAL ESTATE: Per Section "L�5.f01, 3, t, ot the rriaiey
City Code, to allota the installation of self-service
gasoline pumps in conjunction with a new convenience center,
to be located on Lot 2, Block 1, Pearson's Second Addition,
along with Outlot A, Pearson's Second Addition, the same
being 7751 East River Road N.E. �
3. VaCATION REQUEST SAV #79-04 BY ALLAN M. JOHNSON OF �IM
MILLER REAL ESTATE: Vacate the 10 foot easement on the
East side of Lot 2, Pearson's Second Addition and relocate
on the East side of Outlot A, Pearson's Second Addition,
generally located at 7751 East River Road N.E.
4. DISCUSSION ON THE FORt4ATI0N OF A PERMANENT ENERGY COMMISSION
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J. " RECEIVE APPEALS C�MMISSION MTNUTES: AUGUST 21; 1979
8. "CONTINUEDs PROPOSED CHAN6ES TO CHAPTER 205. ZOhIING
4, OTHER BUSINESS:
10. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTRL QUALITY COPIMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 21, 1979
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CITY OE�' FRIDL�Y
i'LANNIf�G COi<�'[ISSI:OIV i.1�;P`CTT�iS — FUGtJS'P 22, 1.979 �,.r_
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Vice Chairwproan Schna?�el called the August 22, 1979� meeti.ng of the
Plannin; Coramission io order at 7,32 P.'i�'I.
ROLL CALL:
I'Rembers Present:
P;embers Abs�nti
Others Presents
i�s. Schn�bel, 1,?r. Onuist, P�s. Hughes, t�;r. Treuenf'els,
tSr. Hora
tQr. :tarris, i.:r. La�r;enield
Jerry Aoardrnan, City P].anner
Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
AT�PROVT' PLA1dI�IIS'^ COiT�'°ISSZO�I 5P�CI�L t�`FLTIP�G R1I?�IU`P"St PUGUaT l� 19'79+
P.?OTIO„ by i.z•. Treuenfels, seconded by Pir. Hora, to approve , the
Au�ust 1, 1979� minutes oi the SpeciaZ Flanning Gommission meeting.
UPOTd A VOIC� VO`I'E, ALL VQTIT4G AY�, VICE CHAiR4'10T�TAiS SCIlI3ABI''.L D*.'CL?,RFD
TH� I,ICTIOid CARr�Is➢ UPIP.I';IFYCUSLY.
APPRG�V �' PLAN;?IT.:G CCT.:?!;ISSZOTd I�21`3UT�S: AL'GUST 8, 1979 s
PiOiI�� by ;,r. Treuenfels, seconded by i;r. Oquist, to approve the
August II, 1979, minutes of tne P12.nnin� Commission.
P,is. Schnabel referred to YaUe 8 of the minutes and stated that in
the fourth paragraph, "Sikore" should be chan�ed to "Schrcer" and the
word "property" should be inserted.
Tsis. Schnabel also noted that on Page 18 of the minutes, the�✓ had
discu>sed the concept of tne ;hergy Commission r,ontinuing and how
that cluestion should 'oe hzndled, i:,r. Harris had stated that they
should thinl: about it some more and P::s. Sr.hnabel wanted to be sure
the itere would not 1�e lost. She su��;ested it be plar.ed on tr!e next
a�enda for discussion.
UFOId A VOIC� �IG1'r., AI�L 'YCTITdG AY'.:, VICE CHAIR'�'JOI.Ai1 SC�iI�?RE3��"L DwCLARi,D
ii13 i-I0TI0Td CRRRTF.D UNAIdIT�2GJSLY ,
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T;ir. :3oardman stated that the pe�l9.tioner had requested this itc:r� be
contznued until Septerlber 12, 1979. '
k'LAi�TdIIQG CG:1�,'ITSSION T�i3:TIPdG� AUGUST 22, 1479 - PAGE 2.
There �^�a� no one in the audience regarding this request.
T°.r. Qquist asked if �xcalibur was a part of CertS.fied Homes?
T�Zs. Schnabel stated that the o�vnership was the same and it came out
at the Appeals Comrnission meeting that they v�ould li}:e it all to be
under the name of Excalibur. The letter vrhich was included with the
minutes was on the vrron� letterhead.
I�i0TI0N by LIs. Hughes, seconded by I.Zr. Treuenfels, ta continue the
regue�t for SP ;�79-10 until Septenber 12, 1979.
t�?s. Schnabel stated that when this item was before the Appeals
Commission several questions had come up and she felt the same
questions would arzse at the Planning Commission level and stated
that vrhen they received the Appeals Commission minutes, she would
point them out.
UPORT A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPIG AYE, VICE CHAIR:1�OItIAN SCHNABEI, DECLARED
THE IiiOTIQA? CARRI�D Ui1AI1IPI0USLY.
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T�".OTION by P�1r. Oquist, seconded by I::r. Treuenfels, to open the Public
Hearing:
UPON A VOICE VCTE, ALL VOTITdG AYE, VIC� C'riAIRWaMAN SCHIdABEL DSCLARED
T:iB PUBI,IC H�ARTi�G OP:.id AT 7:1%5 P."r,1•
I:1r. Boardman stated that Pa�e 35 of the �genda indicated the location
of the lot. The lot is located on the corner of i6th Avenue and Able
Street. The present zaning in the area is R-1 with the exception of
the lots facing Able and Baker Street vrhich are zoned R-2. The rest
of the zoning across the street on Able is R-1 and the majority o£ the
houses in there are single �'amily houses.
EIr. Oqui�t asked for a clearer exulanation of the zoning.
P,ir. Hoardruan stated that the lots eres�t of Able are R-1 and �the lots
across the street are R-2 and are directly east. They are developed
as doub�e bnnralows. The lots to the north oi'�76th P.venue are R-1 lots,
and are developed as single family homes. I�ir. Boardman stated although
the lots �;eneralZy run east and west, there is a lot split there that
has been granted that makes those 1ots, Lots 1 and 2, go north and south.
So, there is a portion of Lots 1 and ? in one of the lots;�on the corner
and a portion in another, lot. So, actualZy, the structure would be
Pr,ar�razlvc cor�r-lrssiorr r,�rrTZriG, atrrusm 2a_, �,939 P�GE 3
facing 76th Avenue Pd.i. vrith tY�e side yard facing Able Street.
I:r. Boardman shovred the Commissioners �he plans for the propo�ed
structure. The plan included the elzvations. It �vould be split right
down the middle. There are �ervices to the lot so that viould not be
a problem. I.e stated that Staff vrould preier to see single family
developrlent in that area rather than duplexes to naintain consistency
vrithin the neighborhood. If Staff v�ere to maY.e a recor.unendation, they
would recornmend denial.
A'Is. Hughes asY,ed if they would be 2-bedroom units?
T�7r. Boardman stated the;� v:ould. He also stated that the way the lot
is set up it would meet the code reauirements if a Special Use PerMit
were granted. There are 10,000 square feet on the lot and that would
meet the requirement Sor R-2.
I�s. Hughes asked why they were requesting a Special Use Permzt?
T:1r. BoardMan stated that a Special Use Permit vrould allow a double
bungalow in an::-1 in certain cases so they wouldn't have to go to
a rezoning. If conditions �rere right, and if, for example; there
were other clouble bunGalo�vs in the area, a Special Use Perrnit could
be granted to allo�^� this tyne of thing. They have done this in certain
areas where they vJanted to keep the zoning R-1 but gave special con-
siderations for a duplex because of the surrounding properties. The
surrounding properties were either industrial or commercial and it ���as
consistent zoning. So, instead of spot rezoning, they request a Special
Use Permit.
I,is. 5chnabel asl;ed if the survey on Page 3� was reflective of the
proposed d�r�elling?
ID;r. Boardman stated it was.
I�is. Schnabel stated that on the Ab1e Street side they show a 35 foot
setbaclt, but actually they could go to 17.5.
T�Ir. Boardman stated that was correct and there vras adequate room on the
lot for the structure.
I�Zs. Schnabel noted that the garage vras to t'.�e rear oi the property and
asked ho�r mar.y garkin?; stalls �.vould be required for a double bungalo�v
ii this vrere approved?
f.7r. Doardman stated that they would need Z'; stalls per unit on a double
bunP;alow. P. 3 stall �arage v✓ould not be required, all they �vould need
is l,° stalls off-street per unit, which couln be driveway. So they
could have a 2 car garage and have 4 parking spaces. .
T7�. Schnabel as;ced if they could have a sin�le car garage vrith a drive-
way tivide enou�h for ?. cars?
r�7r. ]3oardman stated they could do it anyway they wanted as long as they
have 3 off-street sta11,.
P7�AP1?`tIAiG CGi:�I5SI0N PIE'.�TIidG, AUCUaT 2?_, 1.�79 P11CF. 1k
I�+ir. Oquist asked why P�flr, l3oardn�an had r. ecommended denial?
Prr. �oardrnan Utated that in his opinion the dupler,es along Baker and
AU1e sl:reets do provide some buffer betvreen the induutrial tha�t is
acro>s the street from L�ker., and didn't uee anv reason for exte.nd.ing .
the dttplexes into the tiingle dwelling area. A11 the units on that block
are sin�,le far�ily. He did not aee ary special conditions that would
make a duplex necessary. j
P�Zr. Treuen#'els asked ho;�r his recommendation tied in vrith the overall I�
�oal oi the City to provide an addit,ional 2300 housing units?
Y�Ir. Boardr,�an stated that he felt there v�ere other areas vrhere it would
be more suitable �o �o for hi�her densit,y. L`e did not think they
should jeopzrdize sin�Ie family areas vrhzch are lo`��er density areas just
to zchieve 2300 uriitN. .ie felt t41e �30d units ��«ou].d stand regardles�
or ;;oing into single fanily zreas and increasinG the density, He did
not see any reason for it.
T,s. Schnabel stated that one thing that might be deceptive �vas th;�t on
76th Avenue �^+hich ��rould be across the street to the front of this
particular structure, there is only one kiouse there and that ivould ?�e
8gj 76th Avenue. The other properties, H55 throu.gh 885 are actually
school property now and are vacant. 3o there waulc3 be on].y one home
iaci_ng thi� structure on ']6th, The prope.rty to the �vest is school
property.
P:;r. ioardman showed the Commissioners an aerial photo�raph of the
area.
i:�r. Ted :iolsinn, �the petitioner, cane forrr�rd and stated that the reason
he made the request was that it �vas a large lot, over 15,000 square Peet,
and he did not thinIc that it would be out of ch€,racter to have a double
bunga�ow here rvhen th.ere svere doubles across the street fror� it, on the
side of the Iot. In addition to bein� large, the difficulty with the
lot is that the orade is �bout ?_ �a LF feet belo�v street �rade and in
addition there is about 3 to 4• feet oi peat-like naterial on the surf�ce.
In order to build there they �vould have to reMOVe that material in order
to get dovm to a firra raaterial and more than lii.ely some eoMpaction or
eYtra courses of bloc?�, The cost of doin� this would make builaing a
single iamily home prohibi�tively expensive. The homes in the area are
nice but they aren't high bracY.et hotaes such 2s a lot �rrith these expenses
would dic�at� buildinr�. It would h�ve to be a relatively er.penszve
hor.ie ��r}ii.ch ne did r.ot�think i�;aul.c3 be salaUle. iuilding a double bun�alo�v
would increase i.he land value and they cauld afford �o put more money
into tl�e land if i.ecessary. IIe thou;rht that the reason it ��aent tax-
for:feit ��ras that it titi�as not economically feasible �o build a sin;le
family house on it. Iie talked to the neighbors and they d'zdn't eYpress
any particular objections to a double bur.�alova if he built a nice one.
I{e showed them ttie plans and pictures and they discussed that i� he
i��ould sell it, it v.ould increase the prabability oS it being oi.ner
occupied. He krould a,�ree to this.
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pI,AI'',�7T1C COi"PTIS`"IOr' 1"�i'TIPIC AUG1J."�T ?? 1979 - PAGE 5
I+is. Schnabel steted
vaould sell it as an
sale purposes.
that then he u+a� not making a guarai�tee that he
ovmer occupied unit but was building it far re-
t�Ir. Holsten s'tated that was correct.
TTs. Hughes stated that she had noted a con?lict as to ihe size of
the lot and asked for the correct square footage.
T�Zr. BoardMan stated that the lot was 15,0�0 square feet.
A;r. Treueniels stated that he noted on the plans that the main traffic
pattern passes throu�n the kitc?len on the first floor and asked if
that was standard?
T+ir, riolsten stated that for a double bungalow of this type, that was
-- standard. He stated that a large number of this type had been built
and were salable. Havin� a long common wall does dictate some con-
straints.
I1s. Schnabel asked what siZe of garage he was planning to build?
t�Qr. liolsten stated that he had proposed a 20x22 which would be a 2
car garage but had forgotten about the 1z stall requirement per unii
and would be ilexible with regards to that.
Iyfr. Boardman stated that the driveway would qualify.
PAr. Holsten stat�d that the driveway Vras about 50 feet long. He felt
that a 3 car garage would look big on the lot.
l,ir. Oquist stated that 20x22 vras a sma11 2 car �arage,
A4r. Holsten stated that there would be a full basement for storage.
Tllr. Bourdman a�ked P�Ir. Holsten �vny he chose the design he did and why
he didn't go with a desi�m �vith en attacn.ed garage? This design see�ned
old-fashioned and sirnilar to the ones built ii� the 19$0's and 1960's.
It seems quite small. Some of the More recent double bungaloz�rs or
duplexes have attached �arages on the lovrer floor and it gives a
separation of living units.
P,Tr. Holsten stated that the problem oi putting a garage in the middle
oi' this one is that it adds to the elevation of the buildin; �nd also
adds to the expense of putting in the foundation. The proposed design
would have a fu11 basemen�t and he ti-Jouia have to �o several courses be-
low that in order to ;et do�m to iirm footings. If he went to the sp7_it-
en�l;ry-type or the :�lab-type tivith the second story on ii, it w�ould take
a dozen wasted courses of '�lock and tirould be econo:nically unfeasible to
build. I{e felt this was more attractive than having the garages right
in front.
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P,is.Schnabel utated that she agreed with T�Ir. Boardman only because
�he felt that with this size oi a lot, 9.t could take a larger
structure u�ith perhaps 3 bedroomti or �omethin� more spacious rather
than the rninimal size oi this plan. That was vrhy she had brou�ht
up the setbacks. ',-Ie could put a larger structure on this lot.
I":r. Holsten stated that he did not think that 3 bedroom double bur_galows
returned as r�ell as 2 bedroom ones. He could have made it lar�er, but
the ones across the street are considerably smaller than this and if
you build a large building among srnall ones, the return is not too
good.
T�9s. Schnabel stated that those doubles looked fairly big froM the
front because they are long.
b�r. Boardman stated that he �vas disappointed ivith the design o� the
structure. He felt that if the Special Use Permit were to be approved,_____..
'they should get somethin� that crould add a_little bit more to the
neighborhood rather than just building anotlier structure that is sinilar
to the one across on Able Street. ,
l�is. Hughes asked vahy he didn't face it towards the other double bungaloti��s
on Able rather than towards 76th?
Pdr. iiolsten stated that he had thou�ht oi that but this plan didn't
lend itse�f to that and �,vith the lot being 95 feet deep,. it �vouldn't
leave much of a bacl: yard, with the 35 foot setback and the buildi_ng
being 32 feet deep, it vrould only Ieave a 2S foot hac:c yard. He stated
that he vaas not 2ocked in on this particular double bungalow and if it
��ould please the Cor.unission, he could come in vrith another plan. If
the request for a Special Use Permit were granted, he �vouldn't be opposed
to that.
P,is. liughes stated that the one house next door faces 76th and asked
what was on the other two lots?
D?s. Schnabel sta�ted that the other houses faced Van Buren 5treet. There
are realYy only tvao houses that face 76th and they are 8�6 and £39K,
P�ir. Bill Jordan, 895 76th Avenue NE, came iorvaard and stated that he
had a petition signed by 20 people. Out of 22 homes that he tvent to,
20 were definitely against it. iie stated that they were sick and tired
of double bungalows. The person vrho o�ms the d.ouble bun�alow on Able
Street dae� not take care of it. If this is built, he vaould se11 his
house. He has lived tnere seven years and ]moeos that the other neiUhbors
feel the same way.
T.rcs. Schnabel asked if he had any knowledge of the history of this lot
from the stanc?point of previous o�mers who did not build on it?
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Dtr. Jord�n stated that he �vas told that a creeIc runs i:hrour;lt there and
that is why the �rass and trees st�y green. His iather has lived in
T�'ric'lny his whole life and he to1c1 hira there was a creek there once.
tie reiter2ted that the nei�;hbors vaere very a�ainst it.
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PT�liTiPiTt'dG CC�i,'!t'Tl" ��70?? 1:?�;',iTI?'� � ArI^ti`:'7' ?? 1.��79 - Pf±CE 7
P��GT7:ON by i: . Iiut.he., .�econded l-�y l:Ir. '.C�euenfel,s, to recoive tYie
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p�titzon ��ainst the re�uest, �
11s. Schnat�el reacl tl�e petition as fo1J.o��s2 The 1'olloti^ri.ng list
represents those people �viio µre anain�,t the erection oi a double
bun�,alo�v at 75�2-75��� Able Street .1Y. Tt is signed by 20 people.
UPOtd l: VOTCF, VOTi�, 11LL VOTii?U Ai'�, VIC:'s C;�AIR','70P,Tflld SCHPIAIiEL DECLABisD
Ti{: I10TIOI`? CA:;i:I;:D IIIdAP1I��l0USLY.
T•Ir. Jolzn C. Bern�rdson, 87� -'16�h Ave. Id,3, came forvrard and stated.
that he live:> ri,�;ht next c?oor to the lot in quesiion. i{e stated that
v,hen L;r. ;Aolsten first came to hi� hoizse and told him about the double
bun�alo�rr, he told liim at that iime that he didn't cGre either v;ay. 3ut,
af�ter thinl:in� about it, he decided he didn't v;ant it, bec�use �11 the
dou'�le bun�alo�v� on Able 100'_� terri'�le. He stated that he also ,�rould
move if it is built. iie has 1iae-d there 3 years.
irTr. Ricnard Lein, '7550 Able Streei, came forward and stated tha't he v���s
not home w,hen t"r. :iol�ten came �.round `rith the �ictures oi' the structure
so he had no idea of w'ciat t�%ie of Stl'L1Ci,L1^P, he kt�d planned. He did
talY, to him on tYie phone arid ri� a�reed v�itl: the iit�zr.ci�l problens of
the lot, but r.ou7.d not ar;ree because it was on his .�ide o� the street
opposite a dou"ole UunraloG�� and -thry izave had a lot of probl'e::s v:ith the
double bu�;gzlo�°rs. � The�r are not ]�ept up.
i:r. �ernardson st� ted that people rer.tin" a douh7_e bun� a1o�v d.cn' t
crare �a�hat it loozs li�.e and the o��mers clon't care. The�T mi��ht be nice
W}��;� they are iirst bizi]_t, but � fter a few years �h�y become run do`on.
He thaught tile lot should be cleatted U.p but didn't tni?vk a d.ouble
bun�alo�v �vas the ans!�aer.
P.is, itu<<hes asked i� the lot.� that the scliool o���s r°:ere platted and if
they could. be sold ior re�idences.
1.Tr. Eoard�.ar. stated there �vere platted ?rd if the se?zool decid�d to
sell they could be developed as R-1. It is zoned R-1.
I�Is, Iiu�hes as'ted ii i'?oocic.r�st had any pl.ans to close that school �nd ii
the lot Met the !ninimum requirer�ents oi the state as far as area without
these lots?
Sir. Board.�tan stated th�t as far as he knew the School District �l�nned
to keep ��?oodcrest open at this tirae. In their Co!npreher.sive Plan it
looked l.i!te they �^:ould continue tiie operation of il.e sc}iool and there-
fore would not sell the�e lots.
B:r. Ho1st�?n sta.ted that he v�as di�appoix�.ted at the response of the
nei�;nbors and. vra.> not arare of ihe objections the}r h�ci expressed. here.
IIe vrished they had expressed thE,ru vrhen he h.ad talked to ti:em because
he has put more Money into the project �i.nce then. It seemed thac the
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major problem �vas that the neir;hbors v;ere re.lating him to the ovmers I
of the property acros° the �treet, }ie daesn't �;hOW 1;hose people and
didn't feel he should be judged because of �vhat they did. He stated �
he had built several dou'ale bunga2o�vs and none of theM look like the
ones aeror�:.� the street. They are well maintained. He noted that a
cingle fam9.ly hone could deteriorate also. That is a function oP the
owner. T.ie would be willing to guarantee that he would sell the double
bungaloiv after it is built ar.d therefore, there would be a high pro-
bability that it would be o�m er occupie@,
I+1s. Hughes asked ?�ir. Holsten if he had other property in Fridley?
T�Ir. Holsten stated he did not. He has had proper.ty in Columbia l{eight�
at 39th and Ulysis. Iie built four double bungalows there and would be
willing to show them to any ?nterested parties.
I�iGTSO"I by P.is. Iiughes, seconded by I.1r. Treuenfels, to close the Public
Iie a ring.
UPON P. VOIC� VOTn, ALL VOTIIdG AY�, VIC� C1i�IR'.'lG;:P.:! SC;iPdASSL Di,CL9iZRD
TH� PUELIC II�ARIIv'G CLOSED AT 8s15 P.I.4. '
P•1s. ?iu�hes asked about the advisability of using Special Use Permits
rather than rezoning. Philosophically it seems to be a cop-out to her
and yet it also pr�vides some protection to the area becGuse if that
use ever ehanges it reverts to the zoning. She would like some dis-
cussion re�arding the question of Special iJse Fermits rather than re-
zoning.
t�Ts. Schnabel stated that she was surprised that it came as a Special
Use Permit also, The £eeling in the past has been, in dealing with
Special Use Perr�its (SUP), the Planning CoMmission has generally been
a little leary o£ them because the burden of proof is more on the City
than on the petitioner in terrns of approval or dnnial. Pzrt of �the
agenda is to receive a new memorandum on this question of SUP from the
City At�ornery. She did knovr tha� philosophi_cally in thepast, ihe
Planning Commission has preferred to see them handled straight out,
3dr. Boardrnan stated that at one time the Council had asked the Plar.nin�
Comnission to lo�k at the question o�' whether it vaould he better to have
a SUP or re.zoning and not alZow a dtiplex in an P,-1. 'ie believed that at
that time the Pl�nning Comni�sion did send a recocimendation to keep the
double Uungalow e�ith a SUP, because there were certain conditions they
might vaant to look at as i'ar as a SUP for. a double bungalovi if there �vere
�pecial conditi.ons. "tie was not sure v;hat the Council's attitude vras at
that time, but it �.vas his understandin� i;hat they wanted to eliminate
that because it does crezte a problem in certain aspects. It is an
easier way for somebody to get a double bungalo. AZthough either one
requires a public hearing.
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T�Is. Schnabel stated that in this situation it is almost like rezonin�
because they are talci-n,� an isolated lot and giving it a nevr tv,�ist.
They v:oula be permitting sornething to be built on other than v�hat it
was zoned for, and she thougiit that vr}�e'ther they call it rezoning or
call it a Special Use Permit, the ultimate result would be �ame. So
they have to looY, at whether that �vas the intent of the ori�inal zoning
plan. Tn terms of rezoning. several people on the Board ha:ve Ueen con-
sistent in oppasing spot rezoning.
T.�r. Oouist stated that rezonin� was permanent where a SUP is temporary.
t+1r. Boardman stated i;hat +�a.� not really the cuse because a Special Use
PerMit is granted to t;ze land not the structure or o�mer. Gnce a SUP
is granted that avtomatically allov;s another use that would be sirnilar.
to that. T2 �he buildin� was derje�noaedhthat1adSUP �;ives the�CPtYcad
without another public hearin,�.
cert�in ar�ount oi control because they can place certain conditions on
it such as allo���ing it for one year vaith annual review and al.so tl.e
Council czn revo!ce a SUP. :�o��rever, with a rezoning, a special process
v�ould be required. In soMe cases they allo�ved a SUP for the construction
of double bungalovrs in an R-1 �vhere there was industrial across �'rom
it which made the property und.esirable for R-1 if they �vere �ood looking
units.
to�thehla�ndl STttseemedttohnealthatel;heyhvereh�rantedeto the�o1vnerranted
P:r. Boardrnan s�tated �that was the case in some instances, but in most
cases, it was �ranted to the land.
T��s. Schnabel stated that in this case it vaould have to go to the lot
because T:;r. iiolsten planned to sell.
Pis. Hughes asked ho�� the decision was made to asl: for a SUP or rezoning?
idr. Boardman stated that �vhen a petit�.oner comes in, Staf3' looks at it
an� advises them as ta �hat route they �vould have the best chances with.
In this case, he felt tl.e rezonin� �vould nPVer be approved. :ie stated
that he could never approve a rezoriin� here. The only vray he H�ou1d
a�prove z SUP �^+as with a lot of special conditions for the protection
of the nei�hbors. Even tlzen, he ��as 1�cry cautious becuase he didn'�
feel either rezoninu or a Special Jse l�ermit �•:as in the best interest
of the nei;nborizood or the City. lhey try to give tiie petitioner the
best dir.ection they can as to v,�hich way to go and H�liich way t•;ould 'oe
his best chance, if they feel t?zere is any hope at all. In some cases,
they try to discourage the developer from �oing at all.
P�Zr. Treuenfels asked P+:r. Boardman to elabor�te on the case o£ IIol.aselc �
the Villa„e oi I`.edina �vhich wa> mentior.ecl in the memo from P;ir. Herrick
re�ardin; Special IIse Permits.
PLATZPdIP1G CGtsnIIS^aIOI`I !,T$�TI."1G, AUGU,"�T ??_� 19i9 PAGF 10
Pir. Treuen.f'e1s read the follov:in�; sta�eme;zt from the raemo � "a denial
o�' the per.mit Must be for reasons rel.ated to public health, saf'ety, and
�enrral welfar.e." This �tatement vaas on Fage 3 of the memo.
I�Zr. Boardman �tated that when they talk about general welfare they
were referr.in� to the �eneral welfare oi t:ze nei�hborhood. If the
City feels that a structure �vould not be in the best interestes of
the City or the development of a nei�hborhood, those would be ground,
for denial. The difi'erence betv;een a rezonin� and a Special Use Yermit
is that the reason� .for denial for a SUP falls upon the City and the
City must nive the reasons for the denial. Unde.r zoning, the netitioner
has to �ive nrounds as to �vhp it should be rezoned. �ie stated that you
can 1ay out pretty strong �rounds a"ain�t u SUP i.f you Evant to deizy it,
General welfare is a very broad cate�ory.
`i�Ir. Oquist stated that Page 4 discussed the standards.
P,Ts. Schnabel stated there �r�as also a staternent where in terms of
general public welfare, it should not impair the use, enjoyment and
value of any pronerty.
P�4r. Boardrnan stated that x�hen they talk about a SUP in a residential
area, they generally have a lot of �rounds.
i„s. Schnabel stated th2t another thin; that makes it difficult is that
in workin�� with SUP, they have to be very careiul in a denial that they
cite le�al reaso:�s to substantiate tne de�ial. I#' the petitioner has
presented the case in sucn a manner that ii meets all tne code require-
nents, and_ it does not infringe upon the health, safety, and �velfare,
including all services suciz as the �•Jater Departrnent, the Police Depart-
ment, and the rire Department, oa the gealeral public, it would arbitrary
to deny the Special Use Fr_rmit. In order to r".eny it, vre must prese�lt
the leaal reasons ���hy they reco*ar.er.d deni�l, ihat's ��rhere the Lurd.c-r
oi a SLrP becor�es very dif�i.cult. Nhe stated that tiiey nake a recor,�rnenda�ti
to Council and Coi,incil has the final decision.
ISs. i�ughe:: stated that she sensed a chan�e of attitude on some of these
thinrs. ��or a lon, tirae Cities ��rere runnir.g scared and the case lav�s
su1>porteci it. She believes t?Zat has chan�ed over the past fev� years.
The test oi it is obviously when a denial �etstal;en to court by the
pe�itioner. She felt the cities nave been much to scared about denyin€
Spe.cial Usa Pernits and. r.ezon�ngs, In a situation like this �he
would be tem.pted to rn2!te the decisioi� on lir. Treueniels basis oF needing
more housi.ng �vhic:i is in the public interest a..d v,rould overUal�nce
di.sruptin� e neighborhood. She did not �r�ant them to run scared on SLiP
because gcnerally she thoiz;ht they tvere an "easy a°ezoning". She ask_ed
if they coul.d dela;,� a decision on thi:> until they had received the memo?
i?s. Schnabel stated that iS t:zey v✓arzted to do that, tney v.�ottld have to
table the request either until the,y had received the merao ox for t�^�o
e�eelt�.
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PLAN;IIPIG COl',II+:TSSIOiV T,iFPTIidG, AUGU::�T 22, 1979 - PAGE 11
i•�r. I{ora zsked �vhf i;hey should tabZe it. They have �rorlced �vith
Special Use Permits before and he vras sure they had. never not denied
one.
Iris. tiughes stated ihat she would like to ).nov� if there was soMethin�
new in ther.e. 3ut she agreed and ;;tated she v�as ready to vote.
I+,r. Treuer.fel� quoted the statement on the bottom of pa�e 5 of the memo
rr;<�arding the case of 3ecY. v City of St. Paul.
1.,OTIOri by ITr. iiora, seconded by i,s. fiughes, to recommend to Council
denial of the reeuest£for SP ;f7g-08, by rs.emplar, Inc, Per Section
20S.a53� 3� D, to allow the construction of a double bungalow in R-1
zoninF; (single iamil;� d�velling units?, on Lots 1 and 2, E�lock 3, Shafier',^
Subdivision 2do. 1, lying i:ast of the §'te�t 90 feet thereof, the same
beinn 7j�2-8�� Able Street Td.E., based on Staff's recommendations.
P3r. liolsten reauested it be tabled so he could talk to the neighbors
��-air_-2nd 5ee ii they could arrive at a solution.
i+Ir. Boardman stated that he felt the Commi.ssioners shov.ld consider
�vhether they lvant to allo�v any duple�: or rvhether it �vould be a raatter
of continuing.
T:ir. Hora stated that he felt it was placing a burden on the �roperty
owners because they haci �resented a petition and they have decided
they don't �vant a double bungalot•r in there. If we table it again, he
would have to get anoiher petition.
B^.s. Schnabel stated there were several alternatives. The petitioner
could v�ithdraN the request at any time and the aecond alternative
was that if the Board wanted to act upon it no,�r, at the time it goes
bei'ore the City Covncil, the petitioner could bring ?n either the sane
plan or a nerr one after he talks ��=ith the nei�hbors. She noted that
Council. was the final authority,
T+Tr. Boardr�an etated ihat the meeting z.t the Council would not have to
be a public hearing.
Pur, Iiora stated tha� the petitioner could present new evidence.
EZr, Jordan staten that the building had nothing to do �vitll it. Idev,
pl,ans would nat change the situation. They don't want any double
bungalov�s in there.
TIs. Schnabel stated that ii the neiLhbor� were t�ot interested in
discussin.? iz again �vith P•ir, iIolsten, then there was no reason to
continue it.
tir. Oquist asked if i� �voulcl malie a diiferencc if it �,�ere owned by the
people livi.rlg in it? Ir both si�'eu v,�ere o��mer occupied?
i:,r. 3ordan stated that si:ill �vouldn't r.ia'.te any difference because they
cottld st?11 sell it and it �vould beco�:�e rental ��roperty.
IQr. �oarc!r:n:z noted that there ��ras T70'tY1111" to �top � sinzle family hou; e
fr.om becorein�; r.e;lt��l property.
PLAI�NT?1G COr,"T:�ISSIOi•1 ]'�'FETI?�IG, AUGUSi`2?_, 1979 � - PAG� 12
I,.s. I[u;;hes stated th�t vrith the cost of hou5ing, the man had a l�oint
in tryinG �;o provide thi> type of houcin(�; and we also have an obligation
to provide 12oucin� for fu�ure generatio:�^. It S.sn't a11 a case o£
peop].e v��ho ren� beir.�; na c�ood. :ier personal philosophy w�s to oppose
this kind of special use, but we also have to provide housint.
I.1s. Iiu�;hes �tated that �ve have some severe probler.is in this State
vrith housin�. Hovaever., sne did not Iike R-I nei�;hborhoods spot re-
zoned. She felt there were some serious vrelfare problems connected
with that a.�d she did not feel it cerved the City we11. The orierta-
tion oi this particular unit is tt2e r��ron� �vay to �ive L"7L1CYl justice to
R-2. It faces into areas that could be R-1 across the street, and
the neighborin�; hou�es are oriented in such a way that they ought to
be abZe to exnect aone protection. Those are generally the reasons
v;hy she ivould oppose the Snecial Use Permit. The primary one bein�,
hoi�rever, i� that the Special U,>e �'ermit in this case is really in lieu
of rezonin� which she felt vaas the proner way to handle this request.
UPOI`d A VOICT3 VOTB, i::R. O�UIS'i, TiS I{UCHES, P•'i5. SC�.TIAt�:L, I�:R. HttAA VOTI:dG
AY�, P.21D 1'T.°,. T,�P�.U�Tv'P�sLS AESTAIi1IP;G, VIC� GF,�ZR':'O:�:TAI•, SCHPdABEL DiCLAREL
iH:E PIOTIO.T'? CARRI�D.
T�I�. Schnabel informed the petitioner tliat they had recommended denial
and it �rrould �;o to Council on September 10, 19'�9.
:+Ir. Boardman stated it would not be a public hearin; but the Council
�aould entertain quesiions from the peii.tioner and 21so �r.orn t!?e
nei�hbo,:s 7nd they �vould encourage_�11 interested parties to attend.
3
i30TI0r? by I.;r. Trev.enfels, seconded by t,.r. Oquist, ta onen the Public
liearing.
UPOi�1 A VOICT VCTL', �1Z,I, VOTING P.YF., VSCi; CiiAIR':�O1:AP� SCkli��ABEL D�CLf1fi :L
T"t?3 PU:sI,IC HEARTi`iG OP'�3N �T 8s52 P.�i.
I�r. }3oardman stated that this property v+as located just west of Central
Auto xart� on 73' Ave. and is }.ind oi surrounded by the raobile home
lots, or r�ather their sell�n;; yar.d, i:r. ::oardr;an shovred the Commiseioner.:
an aerial p'.�otot;raph of the area. :�e stated tnat a Specizl Use Permit
was �ranted to the mobile hor.ie to set up a d'zsPl<��� area here. `Piie
request is frorn a co:�mercial zone to an industria�`l zone. I,ir. yoardman
indieatec� on ihe aerial view which of the proner.ty in �he area vaas
commercial and �vhich �=ras industri.al. They would like to put in a
storage yard, a construcLion oifice with Royal Llectric operating on
one side and a construction operation on the other side.
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PLA[�iIdT1';C C01+,�1I`">7(ii�1 TTrrTTTdC AiJGUST 2? 1979 - PAGI's 1.3
T�.1s. Hughes asked �vho owned it?
Rir.. Boardman stated that the lots in que�tion were Lots 7, 8 and 9.
Lots 4, 5 and 6 zre ovmed b�r the trailer operation. Lot 1 is ovmed
by the City of F':°idlcy because of the pump house. Lots 2 and 3 are
�''�� �+� oi^med by either operation. The lo�ts Ln question are owned by
Gus� tv. If it is rezoned it a:�ill be sold to the petitioners. They
may not .•�_t to buy it if it is not rezoned.
I'Qr. Oquist noted�vt it was surr.ounded by li�ht industrial all arovnd
with the exception o£ that one area.
b'Ir. Board.Man stated that his recommendation that e�aentuall;� where the
trailor sales is, it would all be indtastrial. iie felt that the further
back you g.o °ron the rnain thorouLhiare, the less desirable the property
S.S fOY' COY:1T�1e?'C13�.. �
I4s. SchnaUel stated that she agreed and that she could not see a
shopping center oi' sorne l:ind going in here. There vrould be no way to
see it. t1'hile she �eneially opposes spot rezoning, she felt this
was similar to the situation on �1d Central za�here it is a more com-
patible use for vrhat is already existing there.
I;Ir. Oquist stated that he did not thin': tnis �vas re2�ly spot rezonin�
because the property to the east and the property to the south is
already ;-':-1 so what they tilere rea.11y doing lvas e�:tending it.
I�ir. Boardman stated that it vras really a planned rezo�zing, and eventu.ally
all of this area �vould be industrial. tie ��rould reco,amend it �o that
d.irecti�l. He would. li:re to see then eliminata as r�uch strip com.��ercial
as possible and he felt tkiis tivas tne intei�t of the City.
T:ts. Schnabel also notefl that this �vas not a spot that they �vould ever
vaant to chantie to residential zoning.
P?r. Boardnan stated that 4vnen they ���ere discussin� the zonin,; code,
they had discussed eliminatin�; uses in this area such as the junk yards,
eic.
t:;r. 3�r.�es Londer_ and P.Tr. tiichael n. Gannucci, the petitioners, cam�
�'or�eard anc4 i.'.r. Zondon stated that he was in the home con�truction
business and 'ni.s partner, I•ir. i=annucci, ���as an electrical contractor.
tIe stateci that the,r plan to build the b�,iildin^; for their ovm use
and v:oi.ild !zaintaii� their oi'fices in the building.
i:Is. Schizabel referred to the site plan they were sho�r.z and no �ed that
t21e� had off-street parkizZ� and � stor.a�e yard vahich ��.�otild be all
screened.
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P7�ADIPd�NG COT."t�r:Ia"aIOPr T:'.?iSTI'.�?G, 11iJ."�IJST 2?. 19'�9n - PAGE 1ZY
P•1r. Poardman stated that screen9.nm fences r+ere required bei:ween a11 �
adjacent zone:� other than i.ndustrial zones so they would 'nave to
have a fence alonr the north and r,�est and it ivould have to be a solid
vrood screeninp fence. On the west it �vouZd definitely have to be a
solid v;�ood screenin<< fence, and on the north a chai,z link with woo �
slats or somethin; like that would be alright. Tnat ti^rould hav o be
worYed out. �
b:r. London stated that for. theS.r ov�n protection they �vould vran't a
fence.
15s. Schnabel aslced i� tlley had an option on the property at this tir;i� I�
based on the rezonin�? �
I:r. London st�ted that was correct.
l+�s. Schnabel asked e�hen they ���ou1d proceed iS the req_uest were granted?
1.Ir. London stated they would like to start this fa11.
;�Zs. Hu�hes stated that she had noted that the signature on the anplicatior.
was the sinnature of the petitioner rather than the o�rmership. She
felt that the o`mer of the property snould si�n that.
i:ir. Boarnman a�reed and stated that I•ir. Do�y should have si�ned it
and that he �vas aw�re o� this,
T,s. Hughes ,tated that in the future that should be handled correctly.
Pi:s. Schnabel asked i.f the size af the property met the requirements for
iI-1 zoning?
;;r, �oardrnan stated. that it did and it ��vas over 3�4 of an acre.
T:�OTIC�rd b�r I,s. :iu�hes, seconded by I:1r. Oquist, to close the i'ublic iiearino.
LPOi�'A[1 'JOIC.: VGT�,� P.LI, VOTIPIG AY':, VIC� CIL9I°:'?Oi:Ai1 SHCitiA3�L DrCLAR:3D
T.Ti:: Pi1x;LIC :{��RIi:C- CLO^aiD f!`1' �s08 P.T=;.
1::r. 0auist stated that he �e1t this was a satisfactory use of the land
and thcre �aas i.zdustria7. around it.
1::OTI0.1 by I•Tr. Cr,uist, seconded. by ITr, i3ora, to reco�riend to Council
zpprov<,1 of Rr^onint�; tiequest, ZCA ;�%9-06, by James i. London and ;:iichael
D. Cannuccit Rezone Lote 7, S 2nd �, Blocl; l, CentraZ View �:annor, ir.on
C-2S {.m�r.eral shoppin�, areas) i,o L.'-1 (�light ir�dlzstrial �reas) to a].low
the con�truction of a ne�v indus�rial buildin.g, �he s�me being 1175 731
Avenue .;.�i.
UPC;'. A VOIC:� 1�'CT::., ALL VOTIf'IG AYT:', VTL'L� CIfAIi2:'.'Ci�Ai1 5C7iidABi:i, DyCLAt;:sD
Tifii I•�OTTOi�' CARRIisD UI�LATtIt;OUSLY. ,
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PLAT;TaIi�G C�::':T:iSIOii I:�:3'�Ii',", 11Ur(?:'?' ?2� 19'r9 Pl1G1% 1�"
1.is. Scl�n�bel ini'or�ed the petitiener that this vrould go to Cour�cil
on Septernber 10, ].9'79 and a public hearin� woulci be set for October
�'� 1979.
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`f(`/: 15:iU�.
� '`�'12'L S1ll.S
VI??GIL �R?I
';.'hat ure the
be co'anlled td
or �� re-; oi�i
ural ar.d substa�ztive
E,iantinfi � special
�;e?:
I:�r, Oquist staied ttiat he ���ou1d 1il:e to liave time to read it.
T�Ts. Schnahel at reed and rer�uested it be placed on the next agenda
i'or discussion purposes. She also reque,�ted a copy be sent to
I,Ir. iiarris and P.ir. I,angenfeld and also to each mer;zber o� the tippeals
Cor,nission becau,e it also deals �-�ith variances.
P�IOTIOPI by l:er. Oquist, seconded by i's. Hughes, to receive the memorandura
iron 'dir.gil iierric:c, the City Attorney, dated �v.�ust 2, 1�79.
UPOPI P. VDIC�a VOT�, FLL VC'iZ;G aY]?, VTCi C.{AIRi�!Ci�TAN SC'.iTdAB),L, ll:CI,ARh'll
'I'li� PtI0TI0�; CARRI�'�D UidATdI'i�.iUUSI�Y.
Vice Chuir�r°roman Schnabel decl�:red a reces� at 9s10 P.T:1, and reconvened
the rneetin� at 9��5 P•T�•
'S• C0:?TIidUrD: CO�iPR3;i���?SI'J^ ll�'I�LGF:';-:�iY`' PLATd:
TRAidSPCiRTA TIQiI:
IPdT�?ODti�CT?OPd s
1„s. Schnabel stated that tne CoMmunity Development Comniscion concurred
�rritil the Transportation Pla�� zrd tY� Parlis and i',eereation did not @is-
cuss �t.
l�;r. TreL!enfels st^ted th�t he found the philoso�hical comrien�s in the
Introduction helpi'u]. even thoLt�h he d? d not a�;ree lvi�tn all of them.
PLAI�' DI :'3C�IC:v
,':r. Treuen2els stated that ne felt g�lk snould be ;Il. ile fe3t tnat
;�4• should be the top priority,
P�ir. 13oardrian ststed that they �vere not list�d in priority.
T:x. Treuenfels �sked that if i.t �,�ere retyped, the order Ue chan�ed as
he su��;ested, :;e felt ;"4 >hould Ue their prir;iary ;;oal.
T,>s. Hughes at;reed �nd felt that ;�% should. be ;�=1 and ;;�5 should be ,"r2.
Alr�.o, sne ie].t that niaintenance or the existiizg syster.7 could be im-
p.rovei:�ent of.
PLAI1`*?I:�G CO('„t.1ISSI0i1 t1?i�TIP1G, !�II(;U,��T 22, 1979 PAGia 1F
'iir. Deblon stated that ;�2 took. care oi improvements. lie �.;tated that
in thn re�l.i��orld they had. to M�intain v.�hat they have and when they
�et the c��ance, an�. the rnoney, mal:e cnan�es and improvernents. ;ie felt
that the order they ��vere li�ted in Yzad a cer.�tain flow to it.
i;r. Oquist noted that �vhen sornethin.0 zs numbered, it is alivays read in I
order. '
P�ir. �oar�ir�an �u�;�ested� they replace the nu.*.abers with dots. �
I.1r. Gquist a�r.eed.
i�Fs. Hughes stated that maintenance di@ not have to be a priority,
P1r. 3oar,dman stated that it was a nriority because that's what the
people in the City vrant. Safety is priMary and maintenance is �or
safety.
I+Tr. Treizenfels sta �ed that he felt that m4intenance vras a smal.l pa.rt
of servin� transit needs.
rOALSf
I.Ts. 'iu�hes recomMended the insert "conservation o.f energ;r" after the
word °efficiency".
The Commissioners co�zcurred.
I�s. ?,u7hes stated that it appear.ed to deal primarily ��ith roa2�s ard
she :fe1t this �vas the v,rong emp:�asis.
Objective l, Policy 1-�:
l:lr. Treuenfels as':ted. ho�v tY:e Ci�ty would do thzt?
:?r. Boar.o.:�an s�ated they 'r.ould ma}�e sai'ety im;rovements such as
signalization, speed lir,iit controls, etc.
Obiective ?_, Polic�,* i-a�
I,�s. Schnabel que�tioned the word "nromote". She ielt they really tlad
to develop park and ride sites.
P:�r. �oardman stated theyr would try to promote coop�rative efforts vri.tn
Uusinessneri to al1o:^r joint �_ises of parl:ir.� lot: anc? tt:ai �type of tF:ir-�.
Iie stat�d. ttiat the•� lia.d osle site now at the Arena. A plan vras det�eloped
and sent to tlle II�C but t}le,y don't have the t�one�� for �.t noar and it ��ras
put o•.z ice. �.e f�1t it shoald Ue rncour.a�ed, }�o�;�ever.. iie v.ent on to
mention severUl possiLle tocatioi?s :ucii as i.lenards and I�iorthtown.
Object5.ve 2, Po)_icZT ^-A �� ^-'�i ��
l:ir. Tre'uenfels asl.ed G•rhat the c'tifference was bet4�aeen these t4vo policies?
i.r. Deblon stated tk�at it appeared to be a typin� error and he nrould
loolc into it.
wm!s x
PTPT'S'ITxG CC1",r,sI�.�.SO?i 'i:r,rrl�tiG (:UC>?T�'.^ i?, 1479 - PP.GE: 17
Ob�ective 2, Pnl�_cy <�
',�Ir. Trei�eniels a,:'..e� if �ve really had that many options as to v��here
they v:ould develop housin�?
I�ir, i',oardr�an �tated that if they ���ere going to be 1oo'r,ing at ho�zsin�
for the disadvanta�;ed, they �nould Ue loo::in� at locatirig that housing
in areas vrhere they can provide that tran�it.
t+.r, Oquist asl:ed ii it vrould,^.'t be easier to bring the tr.an�it to the �i
area, e�peciall;/ if there �vas a kiigh volume of need in the area7
I�ir, roardc�an sta;,ed tha-t tne proUlen eras they needed a turn-arovnd
area and also there are pro'�lens ���itr taking the buses through
residential areas to turn them arouizd.
I�,s. Hu�hes stated the�r erould have to start loolting at jitneys and multi:pl��
u5e cabs and �hings� like tnat.
i��r. Treuen�'els stated ti�ey ha� to thin'� of alter.natives and� reake their
desires i�no�,+n.
l.�s. Iiu�hcs exxplained that a jit�iey was a vehicle that ran on a scheduled
route continuously but not on a time scnedule. It is a snuttle service.
It could. be any�hin; �ro:a vans to statio:i�°�agons, or taxicabs -thUt can
aceep�t more than one fare ai a tirse. �.
Cb,iective 7_, PolicV 5:
P:is. tiugnes asked �vhy tkiis t�r2sn't a separate objective. She felt this
Fvas critical and very important.
t::r. �oard!�an stated that they fel.t it u�as a part of Objective 2.
3ir. Treuen�els asked i� ii; wouldn`t be better to clelete the F°rord
"necessit�*"?
The Corar�issio�ers co:�curred.
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��z-tecient under ti:e objective.
�1'L�.IP.C'tl_VE? J� +DCl1l_C>r �.—�!
i�•�s. Hughes as'ced i�' this ti�oL�1d be rewri�ten?
::r. Deblon stated. it �v�s anr'. wou.ld read 2.s follovrs � "The City .,hould
2.�,�1yie theee i:n;??'ovesnent � to de'ter:ni:ze if theys 11 improve local.ized
mov�;-��ents ,�ri�;hiz� the cor�.mzni�ty. 2) adversel.y eff�et the natusal and
social enviro.i:,tcnt, 3) �dversely ef� ect the overall ec�:ZOmic erell-bein�
of th° C1t�'. n �1':1C? P;OI'CiS °C�O 110 �° Y✓CY'8 C'1F'1.@t@C�•
PLE1NidIT�IG COT�T"ISaTOIv" !'�'3T�^ID1G, AUG�U�T ?_2, 19i9 - PAUE 1£3
Gb.jective 3, PolicS� li
i:ir. T.reue?zfel> as;ced for an e�:ample of re�;ional transport�tion
faailities,
i:Ir. Del�lon cited the interstate and. the rai.lroad as exar�ples.
t�ir. voar.dman explained
analyze iraprovements on
iter.s Iisted.
Objective 9�
that they ��re�e sayinU they should continue to
ii to see i� tho�e improveMents improve the
ITs, uc�n^bel referred to the staternent under Objective 3 vrith regards
to the iovstli >entence vrhich states "Thzs nor.th-south movement lzus r:lac;e
local east-�a�est movement increasin;ly dif.ficu].t. .. the City should
�vor't ��ith the approprzate a^enr,ies to reduce the negative ef�ects."
She aslced what the thinkin;; behind that was ar.d what they could do?
P,Ir. Boa-rdnan stated that one of the main questians was hovl 'they v:ould
get pedestrian :novement zcross there. Cne oi the thin�s they may have
to do is �vork with those a�enci�s to �et over-;�asses or under-nasses and/
or a chan�e in the si��nalization system �vnich tivill allow t��at pedestrian
movesient to cross. Another z��ay lvould be to wor!c with the 12ice Creel;
bike/�vay system.
T1s. Schrabel asked about the ped.estriar_ movement fror.n the Villa-�e Greesz.
P�Tr. �3oardman stated they really haven't dane any monitorin� of that ard
thought they shou.ld.
n4s. Schnabel stated that in reference to traffic i.n neighborhoods,and
coMmercial strin;, in nei�hborhoods, she f�1t that as �-ae are bein^; nn-
couraged More and more to conserve gas a*_:d :�i�11_t or biiie, those nei7hbor-
hood centers becone more imx�orte,nt. In iact, many people are talking
about the neighborhood ;rocery store returnin�. Sl�e yelt that silauld go
part and parcel with son�e of these tl�ou.�:nt :.
T�:Iz . '?oar�r�a_n stat�d that
Those policies discuss�c3
areas.
this �vas di�cussed. in Policy 3,A, B, Fc C.
trafiic coni;rol and noise in residential
D',s. Schnabel stated �h�t ii1 rei,arda to thi.s, they should be careful
not to c:xt off all 'the access ao the fire trucks cann't get in.
IIr. Boardman stated th�t there tvere conflicts becau�e ���her, they try
to provide the mast efizc?ent s;,�ste.� fcr police or er�ergency vehicles,
they are also providiill tlie mos � �f ['ici�nt type o� s;rstern for automobS.le
use ��1�>0. So you run into the samn type of syste:n becau�e they are one�
and the tiar�e. ��
PLAidP�IP?G CC',iiuiT;alOr? I:;:TI�7C:, ATJCL�ST 22, 1979 - PAGL 19
Cbiective ��:
Lis. Hu�hes asked if this vrouldn't be a�ooc3 spot for i,is. Schr.abel's
comMents about loolcin� at zonin� codes for appropriate neighUorhood
service�?
t,'Ir, Deblon stated that he thou�ht that the Land Use Section dealt witn
tilat.
I'+Ir. Board.raan stated that he d.idn.'t thinl; the City tivas big ennuE�;n that
they vrould develop neighborhood �rocer�r store:,. The location� are close
enou.~h to thr: Center Ci�t;r. areas and the Shorewood area, etc. You r.�ight
have �;o rral;c 5 or 6'a].ocks which i> not excessive.
iir. Treue;Z£e1s stated that v�ith the oil shorta�;e he fel�t they �hould
rethink tiie nanda_tory re!auirement of having so r.!any parki.ng st�_lls
for a home. ::e felt it should be left u,� to the hotneo��mer.
t:ir. Oriuist �tated. that the �arkin,� requirement was just to rnake sure
they had a place to parl: off tne street. �
t,7r. Bozrdman as'red what kind of statement they wo'uld want?
i'Is. Hughes stated that FolicJ 3-B under OUjective 4 in the I,and l;se
Section came close to vrhat she had in mind. She would li?se somethin�
like that said here.
i�.;,. Schnabel stated that L'bjective 4 in �the Transportation seemed to
deal more vritil physica7 r.iovement rather than tlt� location of service
centers.
I.ir. Deblon statecl thai; he felt it �ves co��ered. in the Land Use Section.
LTs. Hughes stated tha�t `�rouTd ,suf.fice.
Ii�`I�T€TCi2Y :
iir. Deblon stated. that they !a�ere rev,orY.ing this �ect9.on. They l.ad
ne�v data based on the ne�v projec�ions on the Ezs shorta�e.
::ir. Board.r�ian stated �hat the Co:�missioner.s had all the maps on the
`�ransport�tion s�ction `�iitlt tne excepta_on of the t1I1'� 3:ap. They had.
px•oble�:�u with tt:e ri�'ures �ivei� 'to them, a-Ie stated they .:,i��it not
be �ble to shovr a 199� AU`P traffic projection based on 't}iose calcul.ation:.
i:is. Schnabel r�ferreci to the pro�ected fi,;ure oi' 75,000 on 69�r. She
stated th�t �°:ould citanue if tYiere �vas a nevr brid�e by 1990.
".1r. Boardman stated that �hat zi�v.re vras not necess�rily correct.
`T'herE: �•iere di;;crep:=.ncie:; in some oi tl.e,>e ii6°tzres. 111so, he noted
that 694 vrould be i_nereased to a six lane hiah�vay.
P7��Td;;ItIG CG�:ii.",IS:ZOT? L;Is'�'i7i'r, AII�aI?E;T 22. 1979 - YAGT's 20
�,�� ter�,..��rs :_ �
;;i,. Schnabel asl;ed r�here the gubl'a.c landin� and access�, �ti�oul.d be? I
I:r. :�oardr^.an st�te<1 they ti�rere loo':i.n� at th� hi„h�;.ay salt s�tor2re I
locatio�_� �o;zth oi 1:he hrS.d�e. 1-.:at vaould be thc best access and
]_ocztion �'or a boa'b la��din� and it vrould be devcloped as part o�' the
Great itiver Roacl rar'.� �lan S��steri. The Coun±;� ��;ould t�ke ov��^ tne
salt storz�e are2 ri�;ht on the river. and utilize the lovrer area ior
boat 7_aunchin�s.
T;s. Schnahel asyed if it v�as feasible to put motorized and non-motorized
vehicles on the river.?
I:'ir. Bo4rdr:�an s'tated that south of fi9�b vras not too bad, but beyorid. th�
Isl�izds of Peace it cotzld be a problera. It vrould deperic3 an tiie boai:.
P:1r. Oquist stated t:�at thi� state;.ient read liice a policy.
ids. iiu�hes stated that s.^.e felt it should be in the Parks �ection.
t+ir. Boardeian agreed that it should be deletec?. znd stated he would check
ior other statenents like that in the inventories.
Pu.blic Tr.^nsits
;.is. Schn�bel referred to the third parar;raph in this section and stated
that there vaere people ivho ni�;::t t�'_ce eaceptior_ to that �tatement,
Iir. Deblon siated. they vrould be �^ev��ritin� tna t.
5:�• ;.?P a :
l:r. ;:oardman stated that the Ser�er Plan Goa1 was out of place and
should be after the Introductiorl.
In+roduc+S.on:
t+,r. Cr,uist reierred to the third p�ra�raph in the Introduction and.
stated he was r.�t so sure Fridley nad a auality sewer and stozm se��:er
system. It seemed to hii� that every S�ring, one or tvro brolte near his
house.
T��Ir. Deblon sta�ed that co*�paring it to I'+iixmeapolis and St. Pazzl, i.t �n?:s
very good. �
ep;��Ui��v 1:
i.is. Hu��hes as?ced if tney ;�;ere r-o9.n;-; to znclude a statement,, to tlze eff�ct
that. t1ze;;� vrotzld monitor �h�: c�uality ofi' v;ater in the City i��;cluding
busine,:>s 2nd i�durtrial ai'fectiii� pttbli_c �:�ater, etc.?
l:r. :3oardrl�n st�.ted that this section re?er.r.ed 'to drinlczn� water. It
�+?as water treatment, and stapply, ihey ivere rei'er.rin� �trictly to the
pipe sy �tern and u�:lder�round su-�ier,i i'or drinkint, x�ater.
YLPPdIdIi`:G CUii1::I5SIC;'1 1::�ETI'�iG, AUGiJST ?_?� 1974 � -n PAG}: 21
I:ir. ll�blan su�;gested 1;hey insert the word "domestzc".
Idr. Boardman aoreed.
Ob,l°Ct1V8�21
- —"ris. Hughes referred to the third line in �:he �tatement under Objective 2.
:�he felt this ��r�s a policy and vrould lil:e to see it as either an
objective or a polic;�.
I:r. Boardman stated it was an objeci;ive or ;nolicy under the Environmental
Resources section. ?te clidn't think it fit under the domestic water
suz�nly.
P,:r. Deblon stated this section deals erith pzpin4 the ���ater. The vrater
source is dealt v�itn in the "�nvironraei:tal Resources secti.on.
Ids. Hughes stated that would �uizice.
Objective 2, Polie�r ?_-'J�
;:is. Hu�,hes suagested they change t::e wor.d "encourage" to "re�ulate"
and do it by per.�it �vhich �vould bring money into the City, She �^rould
l�:�e to re�ulate it. Ther.e are certain size users that nave to have
- permits to d.o thiU and the�� are controlled by the Folliztion Gontrol
Agency. The reasa� it is done b;;� perr,�it is they don't do i� iP they
2ren't required to do it. She �vas no�; so sure that shouldn t apply
to smaller industria2 users as tiell. ?':hile you can er.coura�;e it, she
doesn't have cnuch faith in th�t i>ind of process.
I::r. Boardnan stated it only beco:�:es a process when it becomes economically
feasible for �i1E71 to do it. If it i� not econornically feasible, t:iey
are not �oing to do it znd the s�me applies to the hoMeovmer.
iis. ;iu;hes stated that it wouldn't be econornically feasible until a
penalty is en.forced. Tnat vras t;e proe^ss with air pollution.
I;r. Board;aan stated that he could see encouraoin; it but wasn`t sure
about re�ulatin�; it.
T:ir. Hora stated that it had to be reasonable.
i:is. Hunhes stzted that �he would E;o alon� t^✓ith' "encoure.�e".
G'�iective 3:
1::s. Schna�el auked tiv;�y they v�ere �oing into this since this i� the
�,vay it is done ariyeray, She as'.ced why t:�ey �vere hi�}lli�;hting t:�at?
i=Ir. Boardiyan stated th� t all tl:cy vrere saying ��ras that it should be
continued. It is � polic5 0� the Cit;r,
Fis. Scluz�bel stated. they should re con��istent and have it Y_hroughout
T. ,, r �r, , r. r-� „ �,,,`,,,��r p� � J.979 PACIi 2?
PI !� " I' CO' IS"IC T;,? i IId�_: _.��
S.GC�?IO?'�I .CI. ;T".'I.i?:�Si
Gb7ectivr-, lt
't:r. ',iora r.sked if the ide� for. tYi� Fridley '.•Iaste `dater Treatment Plant
�vas sti11 on the boc>1�s rri.th the 1::'1CC to put in a T:�Iorthern Tier `Preatr.�ent
P1ant?
blr. Boar.d_man stated it �v2s still layed out in it as a secondary cycle.
I1s. Schr_abel strted. that in both the sanitUry �ystem anc� the storm
se�,?er syster�, nothin;� vras stated about evaluatinz the ar�ount o�' service
�i.ven to speciiic ar^as as areas incr.ease in c?ensi�ty. `:he present
service !nay be i::Ad.eaua�e. She ��,�as _^eferrir� iri particular to the River-
view 'sie9.ghts areG., ihey often near coinner_t� about the size of the l.ines
there. �
I:�r. �3o2rc'?:�an stated th�t accordi.n� to the »ngzr.eerin� Department, +..e
systeros rrere adequ^te for a population of �b�k,000. :ie stated 1;i12t tiiere
��rere r.o storr.; scti�rer. s in �hat particular area. There were catcY� U�sin�
at the end of the ;,treets and tile water �vas then directed into tlle
river.
",:ir. Deblor stated th�t tvas covered unc�er Gbjective 3, po.licy 1.
I;s. Sr.hn�bel statec th�:t v.rould cover it.
,Tis. Schzabel �sked if the� had �o�ne safemuard to ensur.� that there is
no pollution by either e�isting er future rusinesses? She v.�as refer�^in�,
to sanitary seerers in parti.cul.ar.
T:r. lior� stated that the l:etropolit�n ''?a ;te Control Commissi.on had the
au+}�cr.ity to cor.trol the :>a,�itar.;;r seU.ers. Tne pip�s are maintained
by the City but the Comnzission controls wliat Loes into it.
I:r. �oard�an stated that Qbjecti.ve 3, Polic�,r 3 covered the storm system.
He referred to Cbjective 1, Policy �r ai�d stzteci that t!ie policy �vas
that ii �there ��.as a se�^�er avail^b1e:, �11. units must be connec�ed. Gn
Sl LG' S2;']i �8Y';I SC".NeY' C�{l:'1JOSci1 l.`"� i10t al�_O�'/E:C).. :'1C.' f2�.i, 't71t?jt �;]'lOUlC� I]?�+'.0
a nol_'tc�a :.>'tater��nt oi: thato ;:e iel-t t,hey should delete Policy 4 u:?der
Cbjective 1.
i•`sr.. :ior� su�r�ested t.�ey include s statenent regardin� ne��r and innova-Live
sy:ater�is �eit.�; e��aluzted. �
I::r. �3oarcl;�an st�ted they could do i:hat. They could make the stater:ient
t}�at they �•rould cooperatE ���ith otner a,�;encics in evaliza'tin�, ize;^r and
innovat? ve i�raste trea t,nei�t s5rs1;� r�s.
The Cn,imissio�rers concurred. �,
PLAIrI';.T.T.?G CGP'i;'iI;�NIG:; �:ii:;3"I:iG, AUGU�T ?? }_n']� _ PPG'� 23
Objnct5.ve 3s
]".�, :.u�hes su�E osted tiiey add. a Policy 5 which c�ould say that the
City should prohibit the fil.liii� and development of e;ater storage
areas and t�,ater recharUe area:.
i5r. Boardman stated tnat �•rould come urider '�:nvironroental Resources.
i:is. ttuLhes stated tnat it s':ioulci be in here for control of �torm run-
of:Y. She felt it should be cross-relerer.ced.
I,ir. Doardman st�ted they could cross-rei'erence it under Objective 3�
Policy 2.
..is. I:u�hes stated that �KOUld be fine.
--__ SyCTIC,r? III. SCLID ',;�ST�;
I:1s. iIu�hes referred to the last t�vo lines in the second pzragraph
regarding fir.ding alternative lzndfill sites in the northern par.t oi
the metro areas. She felt tney snouldr't be landfillir.g or encour�ning
that any rnore. 5he ielt th�y shouln look for alternatives.
i.ir. PoardMan stated that ihe problem �vas that the currert landfill site
vrould be £illed x�ithin t��ro years and an alternative vrculd not be developec±
in tir�e. So, they vrould heve to ?ind ariother landfill site.
T�1s. Hughes stated that I"'rCA ��;as looki:lg at no more landfills.
PTr. `iora stated that he understoo3 tYiey �vere 2nd their iIS on the ��'ood
I,alce 1�ncifiZl would be eor^in<� out soon on exp2nsions. Iie vaas nct �ure
if they were 1ooY,ing on expan�ions of �ha1; in particular or in gen°rG1,
but he stated they ha.d to put it somewhcre.
I1r. Boardman stated that the pre�ent site vras only t�^ro years to czpacity
and the Comprehensive Plan i'or 2noka County includeci findinFt a ne�^r site
because a whole r.evr s5�stem to eliminate garbzge. �vould not be d.eveleped
vrithi7 t��;o years.
.�;r. Oquist noted that Objective 2 deals �vith alternative ivays of reducinw
�araste.
I:is. :iughes stated thzt Gvould �uffice.
I;viVE:iTO:�Y t
T3r. Dcblon stated thi.:; section w�ould Ue revrritten azld what is basically
says is tnat the system is adequate for the projected 44,�G0 People.
P�"OTIO'.`•1 by I�is. 'iu.nhes, seconded by l;r. Treuenfels, to close the Public
i��ri?i� .
UFOTV A VCICL VC'P'_:,
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10:5, P.r.t.
�97,L VQTIT;:, AYis� ViG�. C:�+IR'�:0�'::�id Si;];�vnB::L Di'sCLAiti�U
Gr�' �1't! : CO:.iPH.'i;r::Td�TV?� D':'sV�sLOPi;�ist?T 1'liAN CLCSED Ai`
PT,P.I�T?dING GOP,91�?ISSTQPr 1'�'�''FT3P'G Al1Gi?ST ??_ 3�%9 - PIi(}E 21J
S:iCTI01t by rqr. Tx•c�uPn�eJ.:��, s�ecot�c,=.�d bJ i��[r. Cr.;tzist, to ser�d the Cor���re}z_�n,���:�
Uevel.oy�rner'zt 1'lan as amen�9ed to C:ouncil.
liPC'.'; t1 'JGIi: � VOiL'� lSLL VGTIT.' i f.1_:� VICi C:{AIR':�Cl"�iAYtit SCiiIdAF3EL li't.�CLARZ:D
`I'}iI: i.?GTIGi? CARRI':ll Ui�'AidI�"CUSLY. I
6, CO";`PI'.`??Tr:I)� PRCPO:,'3:D CHAI"G:iS 7Ti GIIf1PT':i13 2�5 ZOnIT+G:
I?CS,I(`DT by T"s. Gquist, seconded by I.ir. Tr. euenfels, to continue 'the
discussion on the proposed chan�es to Chapter 205 Zoning.
UPO;v A VGIG� VC�TU, l�LL VCTII�G AY�, VICN: Ci{AIRFIOPS�IP�� SCHIv'ABEL D�CL!?,��',D
T:{?s' b:CTIC?"`Cf1R.'.I_:D Ui;rAPdI:;GUSLY.
7. RPC:'�T�F�' :[U;�;;l1T' R�SOZIP,C1?S CO�:��iISSTON l�il:''iJT=�S; AiIGUSm ?_, 1979t
i.�GTIOi? b;� t•�r. 'Prhuenfels, seconled by L�r. . OquS.st, to receive the ~---_
ilumati Re:?ources Cor�r�ission minut^s of Aiz�u�t 2, 1979•
I+is. Schr.abel noted that there was a motion in the minutes thzt the
Ci1;y of I'ridley iund a V1,OOr? contribution to +he Senior Citizen Cut-
',:each Pro�ram.
i1r. Boardman rec�mnended that the Planni:�� Comrnission r�eturn this to
the ifur.:an i3esources Comr:�issaon and �t �tYie end oi the �reGr the ;iu.nz:�
:e ;OUT'C�S 4��OUl(� orTan? .',E t�"IGlY' � Y'1.0:^7.'f:i 8S. i�:Y'. t�0^Y'(1!i3ri Stc�tP.C1 '�li8t
'tf1G' �i1�;�% ?�`811�P.T' �i�U lauU.°C 8. L1eT�0 Y'(:+�.T,B.Y'Ctl'fii'; CC:"'i�t?'1.�DU't10riS cYl(.'' Y'E?CiUE�t7.:7L
tha+ all rea,ue;.ts �or coritri��ati.ai�e t;e ne�.d until the end of the year
tti�hen the3r s��ould be ranned for. priorii;y. :ie requested that tlley table
tlie itEr:� u: til he gave thera � copy of tYie merao.
i•is. �ttzghes stated tha't with that s5rstem, they vrould establish the bud;et
without any knovited�e oi the re�uests.
1'ir. Bo�'rdman stai;ed that in order to juc'.ge no�v much they ���ant to
�ive thes� people, they have to jud�e tioe:� r.ia::y reqt�ests tn�y get and.
hoG:� r^uch money is avail�.ble, The;r set the bud�;ei: and then priori�ize
the renuests.
i3s. ?iu,.,hes stated tliat she t'r.ou�;ht it vras a dumb system. They should
collect the reauests anfl have the criteri.c3 and priorites and then Ludg;et
i'or it. TTot the other. 1V2j1 around.
I•'r. }3oardnan stated that was o•:1e vr�y to de i+, hut before you anprove
expenditures, you have 'to �ee ii i't is in thr bud�et. �11 they are
sayint i:> tha't be�'ore you approve a recommendation on a,�5,000 erpFn-
diture, they ���ant soi;ie ps•iori ties �>e't.
P;;r. Oaust stated that a certain �;aount should be set asicie each year for
these reqii�st5, '
PLt�idl'�IIi1G CG�4i�tIuSIGI( T"i.'uTIPiG, AUUII�T 2.'_� 1�79 - PAGFs 21
IIs. Schn�bel referred to nafie•�k of the minutes anu� asked that the
Plannirig Commi„ion be noti�ied oi' thr open house at the senior;
buildin�;.
P:is. Schnabel referred to na�e 5 of the minutes ref;ardin,� the Villa�e
Green and a lack of tran�nortation for the handicapped. She suge�ested
that perhaps one oi' the Co:nmi�sions would like tc :tudy the situation.
i7r. Treuenfels :�t�ted that i,is. Van Dan �iated that many of the handi-
capped expres,ed a prefe.rence for the ;'iinneapolis area especially the
doivntovm area or near that area, �o t}iey would be close to everything
and buslines,
UPOid A VOIC� VOT?, P.LL VGTIT?G �Y?„ VIC� C.iAIR�10T•",A:�I SCI[I�;ABEL D�CLARED
TIii: I,TGTIOivr C/�P.3II:D LTI`IA:iI".:GUSLY.
I„OTION by ;'r.. Oquist, seconded b�r T.'.r. ?iora, to table the request for
a contribution to the l�noka County Senior Citizen OutreacYi Program
unti.l the next meetin�.
i::s. I:u�hes stated that she wanted to kno�ar ��rhat the dollar zmoa�t in
the City �ud��t is for contributi.ons. SYie vrould like that stated
in the memo.
;;r. °oardman stated thzt there wzs no do2lar anovnt alloted and that
fact is stated in the rnemo.
UPOi'F A VGIC:: 'IOi'�� , ALL VGTII`?G AXE, VIC� CHAIR'.901•iATd SC;iTiAB :L D;'sCL9R�D
T;f� i�i0TZ0iV C���iCI� Ut`+Ai?I:':iGUSLY.
8. RECiTV� APP:?ALS CGi"?+?IiSIOI'? ':iIi;UT�S t AUGUST l.t�, 19%
P.�O?'IO^I by '.".r. Treu�nfels, seconded by 1.5r. Onuist, to receive the
P.ppeals Com!aission rnirn?tes oi' Au�ust 14, 19?9•
i.ir. Oquis`� asked if the proposed hones on ?3iver�:iew Terrace were mobile
hor.ies.
TTs. Schnabel st�ted they �^rere not. ^ne lower section of the hons�s
��ou_ld be buil.t on 'the site and t:ie top half r,onstructed in a factor� .
She stated that the Anpeals Coc�rai�siotz '•.<^.d several, questions ref;ardinU
th?s r.equest t'iat should be hi�;hli�nted.. She w2s uniiappy �vit}� tlieir
d.ra5.nage plan. A1so, tiier� r,��s a rnzestion about the need of fire �salls
and ii' vrindo�vs �rould be allov��ed en that side of 'the hou=es. The nouses
�re only 10 feet apart and the 3pneals �or.;mission �vas corcerned �?l;out the
spread of ?ire. She stated th�t t}ie partner of ;tr. Passborg �ot e�cited
about the pos;ibility of Uuildin;?; a house on pilin�� and he �eemed
in�eresl;ed in buildin;; a si^.,�;le Ilouse. `1'iie iten v+as taUled to �;i.ve �hem
ti:ne to revieva their si.tu�ation.
UPUiV !� VOIC ;`✓0`iT_,', l3LL 'JCiI,?G AY}.�', VICL G:{AIR(uOi:IA;� SL'H1dA�?iL DP.CLAi?:�i�
?1['_: IiOTIC;� CA-�i?I �il J;�;ANl;aOUNLY.
w ri �n�:...,� c�c_ t �T,r� T rrv +n (J I"!!.lr}� ! F
T'L11;`.iil:d.= G�,�.:� I;...;�GD, bii. .,7,:G. AU.at,�T 2,?_ 1 79 - �
9. l!.DJCUi':;i i�';t'.`� :
;:;CTZGI'I b;,r J.�, i'reu.^nfe?.s, seconded 7��r t;r. C�tzi.ct, to adjourn 'the
l;ur;v_;-E ?2, 1979 m�etinE cf the Ylanrin{; Conclission.
UPO:d A VOICis' �'OTi , P.LL �lOTIi.G AYi:, VIC?� G1'9IR1;0i4rPi SCI�ii�1AP�:'L DLCLAR�D
T'iE P�il:�:�II.tr ADJCU :i+i:D A'1' ll:lj P�i;.
Re::prctfu]_ly subrnittedi
,�sp .. ;:� .d`� .p ,�s�.
°+.:t5� �,py ,.. w� �, M ` .,.i %J �' � �, .��. � s'C.�.�
:.z-' t'i:y S;:s�lton., .'tecordir.� Secret�r;�
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PUI3LIC fIEARING
I3EFORC• 7HE -
PLANNIN�3 COh1MISSION
• 2%
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Publ�ic Hearing of the "
Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Nall at 6431
University Avenue Northeast on blednesday, September 12, 1979
in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of:
. Consideration of a request for a Soecial Use
Permit, SP #79-11, by Allan td.�J�hns�n of Jim
F1iller ReaT Estate, per section 205.101, 3,,E, �
of the fridley City Code, to allow the installation
of self-service gasoline pumps ,in conjunction with `
a new convenience center, to be located on Lot
, 2, Blo�k 1, Pearson's Second Addition, along with
Outlot.4 , Pearson's Second Addition, the same
being 7�51 East River Road N.E., Fridley, Plinnesota.
Any and �11 persons desiring to be heard shall be given an-opportunity
at the above stated time and place.
Publish: August 29, 1979
Septeniber 5, 1979
�
RICHARD II. HARR�S
CHA I ttMAP7
PLANNING COtdP1I5SI0N
�
CITY OF FRIDLEY MINNESUTA
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��� �/ PLANNING AND ZQNING FQRM
NUMBER i � ' .
APPLICA/yN�T'S SIGNATURE 2� /�y� G
..�7ry� /�I�IG'i.Z �Gi� �i1. ��~N � �/ T.7HN.i 0�1/
Address ,�� „ � G, � S.— �'G z-,r,S �^� J-U3o�
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TYPE OF REQUEST
Rezoning
�� 5pecial Use Permit
Telephone Number .2 a' 3- a 5 Z� ' Approval of Premin-
. inary $ Final Plat
-. . : .
PROPERTY OSYNER'S SIGNATURE � Streets or Alley
. . . _ _ _: _ _ _. '. .... _:. Vacations .,
Address _ _ _ - : Other `
Telephone Number - . �s
� Feer%, _ Receipt No.
Street Location of Property �J�JT�' � : .C`��rr �� . ..
,. Ger a er o�..r�or i4 � C��o�i� /
Legal Description o£ Propeity ��n c o.�s �°���ci
Present Zoning Classification C a.S Existing Use of Property (//�CaN%�
Acreage of Property,�{pp,e .yC Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or tyge of use and improvement proposed Sc< t �c=,�v �"��- �/�-�'
_ ..__... .A� ...
Has the present applicant previously sought to reaone, plat, obtain a Iot s lit or
variance or special use permit on the suhject site or part of it? yes�no.
What was requested and when?
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) 'fhis application must be signed by all ownexs of the property, or an explanation
given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failuxe to list the names and addresses of aIl residents and
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. •
A sketcli of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attaclied, showing the
follolaing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure nn the lot.
3. Dimensions of pxoperty, proposed structure, and front and side setUacks.
4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing Luildings (within 300 fecY)
The undersigned hereby declares that al t fact a etk i�ons stated in this
application are true and correct. •
QATE,f-(�cG / ��% SIGNATURE t "`^"'�------
"-�— (AYPLICANI')
Date Filed
Date of Hearing
Plann3.ng Commission Approvecl City Council Ai�pro��cd ! '
(dates) Uenicc! (d:�tes) Deniod
l�� c. C_ C� ln rJ `i O • - � .
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. . . � _ _ . . _ _' sn��.v��
Planning Commission 8/38-79
MAILING LIST
29
sp #79-11, Allan Johnson '
Jim Miller Real Estate
Aliow self-service gas purnps in conjuncSion with a convenience center
Hirsch-Newman Company
520 Shelard Tower
Minneapolis, MN 55426
Al1an M. Johnson
Jim 1liller Real Estate
Box 369
St. Ctoud, Mn 56301
Barry Blower Company
99-77th Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Apache Trailer Sales
7701 East River Road
Fridley, Mn 55432
lst American National Bank
St. Cloud, MN 56301
Mr. & Mrs. William Fletcher
165 Craigbrook Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Edward Ahrens
160 Craigbrook Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Hayes
170 Craigbrook Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Dunphy
155 Stoneybrook Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Charles Martin
133 Stoneybrook 14ay N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Lloyd Meyers
132 Stoneybrook Way N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
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APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE
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Address 333ti (nls
Telephone
PROPERTY OWNER'S SI
CITY OP FRIDLGY MINNGSOTA
�LANNING AND
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,- S. G�F�
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TYPL• OF REQUCST
Rezoning •
5pecial Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
inary � Final Plat
...–z i� Streets or Alley
Vacations ��p�-•„`y�
Address � � 7 1,��1 /�p� �- '� S�0 37 / Other
Telephone Number ? � � " � �%J `� F � °�" c(.�g"7
� ���'�ecei.pt No.q �
Street Locatioti of Property ��A �^4�ST.�?✓£�'Z�u�
Legal Description of Property 1 a r.� /�t a e/ �i �iu��a�' d �f��' S onrS ���fnlO�
Present Zoning Classification_���_Existing Use of Property 1/.° C-gN T
Acreage of Property .4 n.�,r <� _ Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed �i� C+.�i"�. �h'•S �'��''�'T
__.__.._ . .... _ ., �. r- .-,... �_ ./ � ,. T' .� __—
Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot- split or
variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes "%`no.
What was requested and when?
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list �f all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet for reaoning) must bc attached to this application.
(b) 'i'his application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanaxion
given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
pxoperty owners of property in question, Uelongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, sltoering the
foll.oiaing: 1. North Di.rection. 2. Location o£ proposed structure on tlie lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Strcet Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (�eithin 300 fect)•
The undcrsigncd hereby declares
application are true and correc
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COMMUIVITY DEVELOPMENT COI�SISSION
MEETING
AUGUST 14, 1979
CALL TO QADER:
Chairperson LeRoy Oquist called the August 14, 1979, Co�uniCy Development
Commission meeting to order at 7:36 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: LeRcy Oquist, Connie Modig, A1 Gabel, Sharon Gustafson
Members Absent: Kenneth Vos
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OE JULY 19, 1978, SPECIAL COM2NNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Pis. Gustafson, to appxove the Suly 19, 1979,
Special Community Development Commission meeCiiag minutes as written.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the motion
carried unanimously.
1. DTSCUSSION ON POLICY FOR CONVERSION OF RENT9L
-0kTA'ERSHIP PROPERTY:
Mr. Oquist stated that about three months ago, the City had a requesC from
Mr. Alvin Nitschke to convert a tri-plex into a three-unit townhouse develop-
menC. This tri-plex is located behind Holly Shogping Center. The PlanninQ
Commission approved the request witi� sosne stipuletions and passed it on to
City Council.. Th� Cit:y Council tzbled the Nitschke request and sent it back
to the Planning Cornmissien fa;; further discussion and for the Planning
Commission L'o try to come up with a pe].icy that Fridley could adhere to,
hecause ni�re and moie situations likc the Nitschke request woutd be coming
in. The City Couacil caas loolcing for scxne direetion on this.
Nfr. Oquist �r.ated that one real problem with these kinds of conversions was
that it eliminate.d low to mode:at� itzceme 1lousing,
Mr. Deblon statxd that the Comnissioc: n�er,�Uers ilad a draft copy of a proposed
Gity of Min;tieapolir, Ordinance relat�nb t_c; [hcse. co�versions. He stated he
had talkecl to ALderman Mark I:aplaA:, orho h<<� ptoposed the ordinance. Mr. Kapla�t
had stated that t.t:e Ilousing Authoxiey ot Aiii:�i'��apolis had appro��ed this
ordinanc2 acxd that in the cit� attorney`s opinion, it w,ss e.ca�sti.tut-ional
excepC for a few sti.pi.lations. �
COMPIUNITY DEVELOPMENT COI�IISSTON MEETING AUGUST 14 1979 - PAGE 2
Mr. Deblon stated that he and Ms. Betty Christlieb, the City's Housing
Specialist, were going to be doing a survey the following day to locate and
find out how many low and moderate income apartmeats might be potential
conversions.
Mr. Deblon passed out copies of a memo written by Jerrold Boardman, City
Planner, to Dick Sobiech', Public Works Director, dated June 1, 1979, regarding
a report on rental conversioa to ownership. It included a telephone survey
with other communities to find out what other coumi�nities were doing to
control these conversions. '
Referring to page 3, paragraph 5, Ms.
tfie present 2,985 multi-family rental
housing?
Gustafson asked how many units out of
units were 1ow to moderate income
Mr. Deblon stated that he did not have that answer and that, hopefully, the
survey he and Ms. Christlieb would be conducting would give them that
information.
Mr. Oquist stated that another concern was that these conversions would force
certain people out wfio cannot afford to buy and where will these people go?
It would eliminate a certain amount of low and moderate income rental property.
On the other haud, if an owner of rentat property cannot make maney with his
property, he shou2d be allowed to sell his pro?erty somehow. $oth sides had
to be looked at.
Ms. Gustafson stated that she thoughtconversions were happening more than
peonle realized, especially in the t4inneapolis area, and Iow and moderate
income people are being displaced and being forced to move into iower and
substan@ard housing because of it. It did decrease the amount of rental
property.
Mr. Oquist stated that whatever poLicy they came up with, it would have to
fit all properCies. You could not put a dol.lar limit on it. Conversions were
gozr.� to liappen and a12 they could do was try to protect L'he existing tenants,
Mr. Deblon stated he felt the Minneapolis prdir.ance was very thoruu�h and
would iit conversions of a1.1 income levels,
Ms, Gustafson st��ted she felt the Commission me�nbers should take mare time
and study this fuYther.
4?s. Modig snggested tliat ordinances be aLtained, if any, £rem Che communities
(lisi:ed in Mr. Boardman's June 1, 1979, memo) that indicated they did a11o:a
rental conversion. 3he seatect she caould a7.so like to knoea about tlie require-
ments or crit-eria ior forniing an asseciation,
The Coimnission memUers cencurred tt.at this discussion sha�cld be continued
at the nes� meetin� when the survey woul.d be done and posciUlp erdinances
froni other caumunities w�uld i�e obtaiucd.
COMMUNITY DEVF.LOPMENT CONLtifISSION MEETING AUGUST 14 1979 - PAGE 3
MpTION by Mr. Gabe1, seconded by Ms. Modig, to continue this discussion at
the next-meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Oquist
declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Deblon suggested that the Commission members go over the Minneapolis
Ordinance closely. Also, if any of the commission members came across any
unpublished research regarding conversions that might give Staff a little
more insight, he would appreciate that information.
2, CONSI➢ERATION OF STATUS OF UNUSED Ai,LEYS IN FRIALEY:
Mr. Oquist stated that the consideration was what was to be done with all
the unused alleys in Fridley. The chart attached to the last meeting's
minutes indicated that there were alleys being used, paved and unpaved, and
alleys designated but not being used. At this point in time, the pecple in
an area had to petition to have an alley vacated.
Mr. D2b1on sUggested that before the next meeting, the Commission members
take a look at these alleys, doing a type of evaluation of which alleys
were functioning or serving a purpose, which alleys were not, and which
alleys were causing problems. Then, the Commission could Cake some action
ia vacating them.
Ms. Modig stated thaC if alleys were nut being used for a specific purpose,
and these alleys were not going to landlock someone's land that could be a
potential lot split, then she could not see any point in the City keeping
those alleys and they should be vacated. But, wfL-h unimproved atieys that
were being used by people to get to their garages, there could be problems.
She thought Mr. Deblon's suggestioa of looking at these alleys was a good one.
Mr. Oquist suggested that the Commission recommend thaY. £or those al2eys
designated but noe being used, those people Ue rotified and those alleys be
vacated. For those a2leys used, but unimproved, those yeople could be notified
of a possible vacation, giving those people the opportunity to have a public
hearing to tell the CiCy cahat they Fanted done with those alleys.
p1s. Mcdig stated she would like to know why these areas were designated as
a11e}°s in the first place.
The Commission members concurred th�t, before making any reco�n�nendations,
they wou'_d like to take the apportunit} to drive around and look at Chese
alleys.
MOTION by tds. Modi.g, seconded by I4s. Gustafson, to continue discu:sion on
the status cf unused alleys in Pritil�°-y imtil. the nest n:eeti.ng. L'poa a voice
vote, all voting aye, Ghairper^ot, Oyuist declared lile moticn car:i.ec9
unanirnously.
COMMONIT'Y DEVELOPMENT CONIMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 14, 1979 - PAGE 4
AD30URNMENT :
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Gabel, to adjourn Che meeting. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the August 14, 1979,
Community Development Co�ission meeting adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
RespectfuZly submitted,
tiJCe
Ly�C Saba
Recording Secretary
CITY OF rRIDLEY
ApP�ALS CflNII�IISSION MEETING -.AGUSUT 28 1979
CALL TO ORDFR:
Chairwoman Schnabel called the August 28, 1979, meeting of the Appeals Coimnission
to order at 7:35 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members PTesent: Mx. Kempex, Ms. Schnabel, Me, Gable, Mr. Barna
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Mr. Plemel
Darrel Clark, Building Inspector
, APPROVE APPEALS COMMLSSION MINUTES: AUGUST 14. 1979:
Mr. Barna noted a correction in the minutes. Page 10, paragraph 7 reads, ....
in case of a sudden flood someone would be trapped ..., it should read, ....
in case of a sudden flood someone could be trapped ...
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded hy Ms. Gable, thaE the Appeals Commission minutes of
August 14, 1979, he approved as corrected.
LTPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHASRWOMAN SCtINABEL DECI�AAED THE MOTION CARRIED
LrdANIMOUSLY .
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(Reyuest by E�ccalibur Homes, Inc., 1267 N.E. 80th Street, Spring Lake Park,
Minnesota 55432). .
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ThB petitioner, or anyone representing the petitioner, were not present at the meeting.
Ms. Schnabel reminded the commission and audience that at the August 14, 1974, Appeals
Commission meeting this Public Hearing was tabled untii this meeting.
MOTION by Ms. Gable, seconded by Mr. Kemper to remove this item from the table to allow
further discussion on the requests.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLAIR�D THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Clark if he could fill the co�ission and audience in on Che
current status of this re<,uest.
Mr, Clark said there were 2 items of concern in the minutes. One pertained to fire
walls and the othei to drainage. As Ear as the fixe wall is concerned the building
code does noC re�,uire fire walls if the building is 5 feet or more from the lot line.
The building code is bein� met by liuildir.g the two houses as proposed. However,
Mr, Clark felt Chere could be some danger in 6uilding the 2 story homes so close to-
getl�er with regards to the possibility of fire spreading from tlie lower 1eve1 of
APPEALS COMMISSTON MEETING. AUGUST 28, 1979 + PA�R 2
one home Co the upper level of the other home.
Mr. Clark also said that the only drainage plan that ha has aeen would not work.
He went on to explain that the petitioner had called on Monday asking questions
about building one home on the 4 lots. He was called back on Tuesday by the
Planning Department to see if he still wanted to be on the Appeal's agenda, and he
said yes. Mr. Clark assumed the petitioner would have been here tonight and he or
the staff had not heard contrary to that.
Ms. Schnabel asked if anyone in the audience was representing the petitioner and
there was no response. ,
Mr. Clark said that since this commission is only a reeoc�m�ending body and since the
petitioner is not here, he felt that the commission should take action and he would
recommend denying the petition. Mr. C1ark telt that even if the peEtioner brought
in new evidence of feasibility to the Planning Commission or Council that the de-
velopment would not work or look right.
MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Ms. Gable to deny the request for variances pursuant �
to Chapter 205 of the Fridley City Code, to reduce the minimum lot area from the re-
quired 7500 s uare feet for lots platted before December 24, 1955, to 5584 s�uare feet:
and to reduce the requirement that there 6e 20 feet between living areas of adjacent
dwellings on any parcel of land 60 feet or less in width, to 10 feet, to allow the
construction of two dwellings in CPR-2 zoning (flood plain), the same being 8125 and
8133 Riverview Terrace N.E.
Ms. Schnabel asked the audience ii they-had anything to discuss or comme:ct
on at this time. Ms. Schnabe2 explained to the audience tnat this board was recommen-
ding to Council to deny this request and it is up to the petitioner to decide what he
wants to 3o before it gets to Council. If the Council concurs with their decision
then the petitioner cannot present this request before Council for 6 months,
Mr. Clark said he (petitioner} could still build one house on the 4 lots but would still
need a Special Use Permit and that request would come before the Planning Commision at
a later date.
The audience asked when the Planning Co�nissi�n meeting was. Ms. Schnabel stated it
would be on Wednesday, September 12, 1979, and that they (homeowners) are not given
written notice but it is an open meeting to anyone.
Ms. Schnabel felt that at the September 12th meeting the petitioner would be able to
show them exactly what he intends to do, meaning the possibility of a single family
dwelling on the 4 lots. The purpose of the Planning Commission meeting is mainly to
decide whether or not he will be able to build in the flood p2ain area, and not with
the house or houses he proPoses to build.
Mr. Chester Schack, 685 Glencoe Street N.E., aslced i.f the peitioner wouZd have to
build the house on a higher slope. Ms. Schnabel said it would have to be above the
flood plain level. Mr. Schack was concerned that �is house would be lower and have
a drainage problem.
Mr, Clark thought that the Engineering Department would have a drainage plan drawn up
to advise the Plsnning Co�ission at the SeptemUer 12th meeting.
Mr, Schack also asked if Fridley had considered b�ying the lots to use as a natural
catch basin.
Mr. Clark said he was not aware of any plan.
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APPEALS CONIIdISSION MEETING AUGUST 28 1979 PAGE 4
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Barna, to ad,journ the August 28, 1979,
meeting of the Appeals Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAZRWOMAN SCHNAGEL DECLARED THE MEETING
ADJOURNED AT 8:05 P.M.
Respectfully submitted:
�
aula Lon�, Reco i g Secretary
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMMiSSIO:I
ME�TING
AUGUST 15, 1979
CL�1LL TO ORD�R:
Chairperson Barbara Hughes called the August 15, 1979, Parks 6 Recreation
Commission meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Earbara I.iughes, Jan Seeger, Bett�>ldech, Dave Kondrick,
Dick Young
Member.s Absen.t: None
Otkiers Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & P�ecre�tion Director
Siali St. C1air, Cit� �Taturalist
Dav� a�:d Dean KuiYt.s, 1.Y.S,A�
Pen S?.,an�on, '!�.Y.S.A.
Sim Kub�, E.Y.S.A.
F:anl:'idebel, T'.Y.S.A.
Craig Mott, r �.S.A.
APPkO'J^,L OP .iUT4;7.£3, 1979, PARKS & P.FC�;EisTSOI� .^.O1�iPt7_SSIp`= *.7tSU+'r>.
MO'�7ON bj� P�s. See�er� eecon.ded b.� I�_r. I:cr.drick, to apProve the ,�o1y l8, 1979,
Park3 &^.��creation i;n':uissica mirutes as .�r�.tter.. Lipen a v�ice:•aa*_e, a1.7.
voting� a;�e, Ctiiirpersen Hi?�hes dectured t1-�e motion carrie�d ur.animously.
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P1s. I;vghe., s�a.t.43 tLac :;he wo',�t.c 1;t;� ?:h: :;om;ni.ssion to t.alcc Ite�.� C, �;��r?dlej'
Youi:h Snori.s �±ssor.icatioiz; Eo�qcez' P�_ogruo�' as L.he �irst i.tera on t�ia a�esada.
IKO"r'7�:13 by Ais. .2e�,e�, s��.coad.-_u �,y t�:s. I°le:ctt, io �.p�,2�ce tl�>_ agc.r�,ds a� �ar;,en3�c1.
Upon a voicr�. vot�.�., �"Li. vutin�> ive, Ch3 xpe:son rluz;'tu=e 8ecla� .nd the meti�n
carried i.nanir��;:�sl:y.
PAP.KS & RECRF,ATION COMMISSION ME�TING AUGUST 15 I979 - PAGE 2
III. NEW BUSINESS:
C. Fridley Youth Bports Association - Soccer Program:
Mr. Boudreau stated that Mr. Ken Swanson was representing the soccer
group which was an affiliaL-e of the F.Y.S.A.
Mr. Swanson stated Chat he and the others present were of£icers.or
coaches within the soccer group of the F.Y.S.A. He handed out a two-
page report dated e9ugust 10, 1979, entitled, "Soccer Bivision oi FYSl�".
MOTION b}� Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Young, to receive the "Soccer
Division of FY5:0." report. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson
Hughes declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Stsanson stated that this repo-rt summarized the reason for their
appearance before the Pa:ks & RecreaL-ion. Co�r.�nicsion and that was to
requesC additional fields and field impr.ovemenY.s to supporL- the youth
soccer prcgram. He statecl Lhe primar;� goal of the soccer program was
the su�mer prog:am, and the secn^.dary goai was for an additi.onal fall
nzogram in 193C or 298I. ti�. �L�r_rd he ,aouid Iilce to pr.e,sent some facts
cn what the soecer program loot:ed 1r.lce this yeary to s1�ow t,�e Co:nmissi�n
�a;�at ecn;e of the ,oceer p:oo5:am's izeeds arc, au1 tp �;isuuss some altcsm
natives.
Mr. Stcai�s^ii staLe:d i'hat 5.n ,`Itis ',ear.'s p� ogrc�;n, t:he-�,* ',-.a:i a �'C�:, i�.ac�iea�e
zr, park c�;7 tiu:, r,`o:� t9?ii (epne.o.-i.�:,.tci.v vG0 i_ �ic_�� 7�`a, l�oth boys
an�' ;3i.ric}. T':,a:;° iiac. '.i ��aa�s and onF as*i_�n i�io.��1 teageie. b�.sed oa
an eigl2i areek scr'ir-_du:Le ai;d gamesJpr�,etirers at iour r.�glit.s a rreel<, tYu_�
resulte.; in �2.hor•,e garnes (2 game.<;(aigh'� ru'r 5 F;eelcs and 1�;3me/nil,L�
for 3:aeeks, a1.I on oile field�. T��okiiag ac pracLir_e, dir�-ii�g crfat
periou, thcy had 'L08 pracs-;ces (2 per a:eek pe.r. t-e.um). Tt t.uo�;c1 lil��
t:hev r±2c.d-ar1 three iieLds, a:Ili�l;nlcc, cf tA:p, fo,. l't2sC p?°acLi.ces. Sc,
[he; cre; e Zco�_i:,g at four. iie=ds dedicated i.e soccer. r•nI� ii,;r ieu,-
ni,gl�i:, a;=.e.s1:. re sr.ated a porsible t;�:.k-ui, .r�,� ��«� i:h�ay r_orld s'n�re
,
lhe 3.,;ze _i.eld b��.t-i, t-���o t�enms u c•;�r ce,�zeir co�r.u:'.'i;ns. Pe sTa��:d �t�e�
fout Eie�ia,� tit�e� were ?n�i.irrg t���ere Go�.��or.s, fi��.d-ea r,�.7.,�, acid Bur�.�.���,;_cn.
. ,
i-`,_e Sea�,n.�ut .;t:.r.'c.0 chey �-.ad t't�� U,�:mo:-c. i:�e1c! �w es�' �haf_ c.,&s �inc�
Ad3de;en t.as o.:,., sl.t:b.�u, , li.i.t�r� em2 ... Lcc�.e t_h�.y :zve use3 aolclti�
i o�.� „o�:-<, x, ,.r:.ri ul�.> : L: �,.. i.;,u �,.;:c liad ,xp.�;:ic: .,es +�he� � �:ecause of � u=�
con:?`.ti_c. oi thF Liei.d. Cite et��cr'� ttse� xa<I1ti app.ec°3.aL'ed °_hu a.,�•? fenee
tL� C1f,� put i.n o� t:lie i i.�_ sicle.;• ?le 5.�.i:^d tLe hu.r�L=.vgtce7 a��ield needed
. .
a ir,t o �u�r'ovrment as .tt' was un�ceix a�tu�i�ss a J.o�. o°_ ho1��s. i�e sCatad
he. �.:�,i�14 7i.ke some fe�a���c1c. fr�m rl-u: Cen��..;sion on Lo�a the*y could
C.'nl')i SOit:�.tl:.l.;1^' Ot�i. CQ £lilC?i4 1=17C �-?i::�� Y.0 ;�'.',�� LlnyC f1i.LC�S t(? Sl':t�GLC �_I?'_"
SOCC�L t%7"«�T�&1ll �@t(:�?l�. - � � .
One mentber o!: the F:'S�� sLateci he cc�aci�ad an u�n�ier-10 g�,:oup. They }iaci
� HT 1.0�. �. '� ' � � :12Vc1 ' r
somc, g�?";ct�_r,e� iuJ �gam�s l.�^ Yat�:,c aii: Lh_y did noi_ a practac.:
ar �z�me L'haC' d4d :not rC:su},t iu ;,n _njtrry, cuts t2nd b:cises, frcm Cha
PARKS & P.IsCREATION COMMISSION M�ETING foUGUST 15, 1979 - PAGL' 3
rocics and glass on the field. They were very concerned about the
condition of the fields.
Ms. fiughes asked what the months were for the summer program.
P1r. Swanson stated the summer program started the latter part of
May and ran through June and July, with state tournaments the last
weekend in July.
Mr. Swanson stated the emphasis was on L-he summer program. The fall
program was something they would li_ke to work to�aard in a year or two,
and it was just for the Commission's awareness right now.
Mr. Boudreau stated he caould like to know what the Ei'SA soccer contingency
was willing to assist the City with in improvement of fields. In the
past, it was his understanding that many of the City's facilities, such
as the Conunons footUall area and the hockey rinks at Cocmnons, had been
deve2oped bq volunteei-s from the FYSA. A1so, the HAE has volunteered a
great deal of man hours and equipment to assist the City in the develup-
ment of the areas they utilize.
P1r. Eoudreau staterl tlzat the field at Locke Park taas just a three-year-old
field. Because the fieLd �aas so dry, they had plans to i_rr.igate it, a::d
that. wi11 i�nprove the fi_el.ci soraec.:i,st. lie stat_�a3 he did acf: kr.�w �:�hea:e
the City was going eo find tiie ianl to develon four socc�r areas.
6ne r�mher. of thu F�'SA stated ti�ty �+;ouie. l�ke to seek *_he City's si.�!�;;:rt
to go be£ore S:he School Board oi uistr:i.et 14 in orc:;_ to rc-quest _.:. use
of school faciliti_es for. socce�, perinauc:r:� or tcrr�pm-ar,;*. Sn ever °'ity,
ovLSide the Ci_ty of Fr�dley, socce_r �aas played on sc:�ool, facilitics.
P:r. Loudreau scated rhaT, he had r,net se<,re:F'ai t:imes eri_ta L'l:ae Sciioo;. ?;oard
te try to get the use ci sev�^`al scl�oe% _.acilities, bu* ha:i bee.:
unsuccessfi?1, iia sr.aced the Ii'�?�� has his Lu11 support to go l,efcre the
School -5oa,'ci with this r2quccY,. �
Ms. See�er su;;e�ted tltit tite L'F°;^,t, spproacli o:ee of L1��e otii�r sc1_iec?1
dis�ricts �:,i.tk�in Ftidlcy �� rne}�� mi.ght l�e u�or2 ieceptive. .
. . .
Mr. F;avcirc=.au staLc.r, ti.-�ca SPx��.�zr; i:,�.':e Par.i: Schooi. i?ict�rirt di.d hai.e u
policy chat Y.heir iaci.lif.ie[; are on a iesarvatir,n.ba�is, fiist cot�:e-iirst
S�.1Vi::� ir02 i'Y1CI1�.�'e ��?Tl?'T I�nit'.: P7!"::y 1CCi �'L�iRE.
Tn re.�poreee to 1�1;-. 1?oud.�esau`s G�iestior: oi w�iethur tne� lr;'e:S soccer
ccni:i.ige�.r�c�� �.aould 'u�:. , i.11i-r,� to ;assist �.i;:';� _icp;_ove�+.,,,en.[s> P`_r.. So�.�aso��
si aCe3 th 1t: t-ie caes : ure thaC sv»� �� C,���d 1�,c.lp uc �'iniLel.v �r�s ��riC.h.ii�
th�i.i means .,nd tli�y �.:ere npe:i Lo i s*oi_i+tioi�s ia he�l.pin,; make iiuprove•-
k:le'i2�5. . ��
PARKS & RRCREqTION COhII�1ISSI0N MIiETING AUGUST 15, 1979 - PAGE 4
Mr. �oudr.eau stated that soccer started in 1'ridley three years ago,
and was organi.zed last year under PYSA. There had been a requesc to
fence the Locke Park soccer field, which the City did this year. The
City also has the financial responsibility of paying the soccer program
officiaLs, as they do other FYSA sports. As far as fields were con-
cerned, the FYSA knew what was available. Madsen was not a soccer field.
It was the Parks & Recreation AePartment's philosophy (and he believed
it was the Commission's philosophy also)"to try to eliminate the organized
city activities from the neighborltood parks in order to open them up for
use by the neighborhoods. He stated that, as they were probably all
aware, the City was purchasing about 17i acres of. land across from the
Columbia Arena. It was not firmly decided what would be developed there,
but in the plans, they had shown si_x ball diamonds and two soccer/football
areas. The L-ime schedule at- a minimum for this area was tcvo years.
Mr. Kondrick stated he felt there were•three areas of concern: (].) the
neighborhood parks that should be kept f.or th� neigh6orhocds; (2) money -
even though ti.me can be dona�ed, dollars alwaqs enter into Che pict'ure;
(3) conf7.?.ct caith oth.er sporting activities - witii so maizy sports happenin�,
hali of Fridl.ey could be involved and there wocld not t+e eaough area to
accommodate a11 Chzse activitfee. fle felt the t�e�a faciliL-y acress from
Colum�ia l.rei�a �aas going to be �re.at for soccer.
iir< Youxi a<c?.ed �iaj� tc,e r.�..d for a f=311 �� :_. �_cg-aa:1 Loolrt�i; nt :vo-t
ot_her sperts, sucii as the LiL't3.e 3.e2r�;c, prc�;r.am, hccicec, feo:;b«11, ef.�.,
t?�ese prcrr,?:ams a��� o_t.ly �-�✓ �:eek �;�o„ra:ns. 's;�e snecer pro�;:i-um v;as
alread� aiz 3-ti�� l. �:of �n. ?s� c�-c���s 1r. :?ig1z apo�t �n 3prx.no Laka_ L':ri,s
�lild ❑.E iii11S ��ieL .7 J.O� Of �:1;15 LhBt 6��:! 'd2'£! S�.:IY-till[; t0 �;C'- �']ti`�lEr. OL'1:n
on >pcxt�s bccat,ee �;��.p 1ia�ae pt'ayed too mt.ch. �
O�c ros�b�>.r cf �L.c lYS<', ai:ai:ed 'Tr * eveL t}cu;i. tl�e fui', prog_�m �aas a
secrn:da.rv pbj.�:ct':i.ti-e,. one �r2wscrr. !.-,.. �aas pusliic;a �or zt was bi.�a,a�e uthe�r
co.c;,un;�i,es 1:a-✓e fatl progr<ms ?i.cy zre ia1t: ,�; bchin�. .._. L-nei.r.
compeY.9.ci.en hecaus�� tt�e�r do +�ot. htave a ia'i.i. ri:o�;ia�a.
�`'_C. 'ii0il �.:c.� U ?` ._.? ���C.27.i; '�}:E �O. f 'LiE: ux tl'l3 "C�� . cT' y<i:1+��1 �: ill- -t.0 1.']_dy . .
COiil'P.^_Cli�iv2 SOCCB:C Ol' �.t.2YL-e:L)-u.:�:i.��. SOCC:=,_�'"
'}'he r�.pl;�� ��� H;,r.l.. �
, . � :, . _ .
i�is. Sius;lc-� er.a�' '--�� [Pi� P��t, �� ,',occe�r �i�;t =i� t.�a_a s!atent�ur o.: r'�ilosop�y
arci tiiezt: �oa1t a,�1 ol,jectives?
hir. Sr,ran;.cr_ stai:e<i thaT, c}��e�* di,. �
PSz'. Boucli�cmi :;L�+.:e�' i.h:ct h� a;c� 4k=e Cc iu.s�icn �aeutd t�ce. to see a ca,y
pf t}iat slateraent.
PARKS & R�CREATION COMMISSION MEETING, AUGUST 15, 1979 - YAGE 5
Ms. Hughes stated that it seemed to her that the Coimnission needed a
chance to see a�hat fields might be available and what kiud of money
might Ue added to Che budget. The City was in the process of developing
next year`s budget. The City budget would be coming up for public
hearing so the FYSA had an opporCunity Co attend that public hearing.
The Comrnission should be able to come up with something within ttxe next
couple_of months.
Mr. Swanson stated that if the Commission could give them some future
ideas on what the City's plans are, it could provide them with some back-
ground to go before the Scl�ool Board.
Mr. Boudreau stated he would lilce to have a meeting with the soccer group
to 1ay out what was available for the program for nexC year.
PSs. Heghes thanked Mr. Swanson and the members of the FYSA for coming.
I, DIREC'1'OP,`S REPORT:
A. Complaint Letter:
hiUTION hy T�s, t4ech, seconded by Mr. iLondrick, to receive the Co�plaint
Letter datcd July 30, 19i9, and ?�fr. i,oi:l�:eau's ir:ply Co i:i�2 City Man?gr-.r
on July 30, 1°79. L'po: a voice vute, zll vetir�; aye, ��ne�irpe�.-scn :Ti�ghes
decl�x�u thz :notion carried unaniu:ousi.y.
B. F�ort on North ?'_rk Bci7din..� ��atcs Sia« S�`. Cl.airj:
Mr. St. Clair showed the Gom�ni�sion me;abrrs the I+xt;e�t m,dei an.d plat�s
for [1�e North Parl: Sui.t_ding, stated he had seoeral conce._�rzs an.d prebl��us
wi_Y.h it t11at ne�:e.d to b� workud oct c;_t`t: ttxe architect:.s.
T}��e l;c:r_mis.;i.ore nemh;,..s e�;preased i:i�e ioJ_lctai.�.�. co��cerns:
Ramping fot handica.c��ed -
Construction. anci e_,�o;:u�ie.
}�r�erg.� corcer:;s
i?Lesi.i:;_1.� ! �i= t}i: b:,i_1di.�3�
G?�. _-ed ^>p�ce -- too ma�:�.y co�_<era �
Pe.PCe,.itage C.c bi�ii.cisi, uttGei,n.ou.;id (Ltrc E'_n.oL��;t2} .
P�po:;ut:� c;i €;].�ss ��oo ,iiucl�). .
�;it�1��:.'L]t i t.. t . -...r.
TT. ..C-I S A.�,.2cs;•.-., �
bis t[z�gP�es staCCd that. ti•c_ Plrr.n.�. ; Con.m-_ssion �aent E.h'roehh Lhe °S'arka"
Fectior. 03 tl�ie. (lo � p �:�e�,.s, p�. Jeval ���r�ent t'la,i. fliter a; u 7�, discu��i on.,
the Pl:anzuAt� �.omu� <,iozx zr�k,ci Ci;:;t thc Pirtcs ix R� ie�t:io1 Coinmissicn
rari.C� <iei•:it ia siropl.e. t:�ords thc� fact Ch�ri: thrg e„ar:f:ed 1.n ;=cquir.e more
PhRKS & RECREATZON COI�iMISSION NIEI:TING AUGUST 15, 1979 - PAGE 6
park acreage in order to serve the growing population. The reason behind
t12at 1s L-lie fact tlzat the "iiousing" section indicates L-hat the City might
need as many as 2300 new housing units Uy 1990. If so, L'hat proUably
means some increase in population even though the family size is going
down, There is the potential for buiLding areas that don't have adequate
parks or going into an area with high density population where they would
want to plan for parics. She sl-ated this was L-o inform the Coi�ission that
this did get added to the Comprehensive Development Plan.
Ms, Hughes stated another thing picked up on at the Planning Commission
meeting by Mr. Treuenfels, Iiuman Resources Commission Chairperson, was .
the statement that the Parks & Recreation Commission wanted L-o provide
cultural activiCies in their recreational program, as we11 as sports, etc.
He wanted to know whaC the de£inition caas of cultural activities. When
his. Hughes explair.ed the sorts of L'hings T.hat were either currently in
the recreation program or �ight we1l Ue added in the future, Mr. Treuenfels
suggesCed that the Parks & Recreation Ccmmission might want to meet wieh
the 13uman P.esovrc�.s Commission's suUcoRanitte�, the rine Arts Committee,
for commu+.,ic:ation purposes to sce if *l:ey are focused in hhe same kinds
oi directions. She had stated she wouid ask the F�trlcs Fx Pecreatian Commission
if they �aould like tc da Cliat.
Ms. 1:u���;^s sc.r;eri she wovl� stso Iilce �Ize Co;r�missia-� i:o �aee� wi.ti� L;��
E�_nvi.��u�'���.antsl !T,�aiity Co�.i��sibn [o dz,au,�s r!+.us�al rcncexae; io�t e.:,ai��1,e, .
T�asl �..;:or�- P�ad, r.ni.�e o��-di:;an.ces, and c�ater qu�tity. Bati� cLairpersons
oz tt<<°.,�, tt�i:; eanm�.,;.,ior,s .,1:at_ed tl�r�v wc,,;lci be c.s_ll..�eg te ha�.*e joint m=et:ir:�s
4Ji.C!2 C:.g ''2i;iS fY 1:.cCY�c'.• .t:i0:1 C.C'l�1sE57.Cli ':L L�1C YdY.'1CS c`z i�CCi:cnL'1G?1 i;.�:11Li7.521CiZ
G..�S iP.'4rA'CvB�F:�.
Tk.e r,os�•::.s� � cn n^.mbers e}:preUsF3 s�x irre-<�sC. in. me� t.i.r.n c:*ith both
conuniss:tons. -2's. Hughee si.a�_ed st::sa w�>�Le *_ry�to sei:�up ,,,i�.�,t.i.r;.gs wich
Lh.e ?iun�t� F.c:sc-s;:��.; Con�.ds�ion �.�.d i.te :,t,L_or.�-:..*�:ce, thr i�:.e ,`��s:s
Co.�iA,�C�r, iet �)c r��S:^,- az,td witl� C'� ;3r,v cn.��ez2Y.a2 V!zal�iL}�� (.oni-:ie, i.tu -.---
:�ot-�=mbe� .
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� .P�. i.�=.cuc.9t by GY.,_ca tI�iel_..__t_ccl.�
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l�pr�n. t� , �..ce vo, , , <<L'1. ��+�--ing � � . � ��t�. � i ::;o�:l T �i �,er, u� a f.ax°e.0 tl�s
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PARKS & RIiCREATI014 COMMISSION I�ETING AUGiIST 15, 1979. - PAGE 7
Mr. Boudreau sLated it was his recoimnendation that the Commission deny
this request as i.t would be seCl-ing a precedent and hecause the City
provides the maintenance on the ice and the lights were puL- in Uy the
City.
MOTION BY Mft`YOITDIG SECONDED BY MR KONDP.ICR TO R�CO*'A�t�ID TO GITY COUNCIL,
THROUGH PT R,NNZNG COM�IISSION, TH�1T THE RIQUEST FROIt GRlsCE HIGH SCHOOL POR
CITY OF FPIDLEY TO
AUGfl�S D�CLf�RED TiIE MOTION
C. FYSA - Soccer Prngram (First item on tiie agenda}
D. Discussion of Euture Meetings' Agendas:
P4s. Hughes stated she would Like to see in the agenda format time set
aside at each meeting Eor philosopixical discussions. One of these things
came up at the meetir.g in the FYSA discussion on what the City`s policy
should be on the types of programs procid2d, cahat kids are involved, are
they in i_t for 1ea,rring or for comnetition--that kind of_ pfiilosophic
discussion. A, second *_Izing would be just gi.ving each oF thc sCaff peopl.
an ogpo7-tuniL'y to te11 the Commissien what his/her �zhi_losopt:y is on
rec'reation. She asked cahat Mr. L'oudreau`s reaccion saas to tLis?
lir. Soudreau scatel �e ap„�eciatc3 t'te op,�or*_unity to spreud tl�° nosi;el
by �ahi.cti t''i^_y� werlc out cf cheir otzice. ^oo man,� �i:nes t:�ey are ±.oL-
a1.lo�aed to sh.a're eri�at t'he_ys thinl: phi.loscr_�I.icail}� oi .�:;.at r.e.;,re�:t:i_ur, s;nd;
esp,�,ciallJ, Iei�u,-e cervi.c�s sheuld br to the co::;rorr_xi*y. �,e nad r<o
prohle..m �asth h�:�;ing sta{i ce-;e any *_i��;�. t1;e Cc,�an.issz.or rer�ue.s`ed Ll-:2m.
Lo. He t:�as ��,tre the sL'a�ff inerber.s would 2;�jcy L''t�_e oopo�-t.u�xity i:o corne
anci s1'�are tia;.th the Ccrn�iss�on. ��.ta.t it is the}� are L-rvin� te �io. Sf C}ie
Cormnissi.on w��s wi1.i?nY to L-+_ke the *ime L-o allow staff t�o dc ttiat, he
tiought f.L ���?utd 1�e vit�.iLg ie��ar:tant to tl�eiz opera�ic��.
Ptr. KQ�.tid�ri�k e*_ated he ihouoh;: zh5.s �aaG a very ;ood idea, He felt it
wouid gCve theni all ilxa opE;o�_tui�i_y to form idea� abouC recr��aticz o?•
giae them .;he o,�pc�-tnn.it:j� f.o chaiiga _iie ideas tliey alreaci}; had abcut-
recr.caczon.
i�i., Iu�;l:,._. statc-d that on f�tu°_. ..das, cn.e. t�.n�_ ai: tir_ .,�.o:.l.d b�.
sct si.8c for ;iiilt_ci'�hu i_ di;::i „ni;s � ;;ol.icv dss�.� s:r.�s. She:
a.ske�d i°�r. o_�tidze-a.0 to LC- the si:">:. g�.ai.i wc.r;br_-.r. �r� shat,� i;.is p1�iloso��`�}.
PARICS & RECI:LATION COM1�tI5SI0N M1iETING, ALTGUST 15, 1°79� - P�GE 8
ADJOUPSiP9:NC;
MOTION by Mr. Y.ondrick, seconded by Ms. Mech, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a wice vote, a11 voting aye, Chai-rperson Hughes derlared the August 15, 1979,
Parks & Recreati.on Cotrrtni.ssion meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
The next Parks & Recreation Commission meeting wiil be September 19, 1979,
at 7:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Recording Secretary
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ENVIRONNIfiNTAL QtIttLITY CO��ifISSZ0i7
MEBTSNG
AUGUST 21, 1979
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Jim LangenfeLd called the ��ugust 21, 1979, Envix'onmental QualiCy
Commission meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL C�J,L:
Members Present: Jim Langenfeld, Lee Ann Sporre, Bruce Peterson,
Connie Metcalf
MemUers Absent: Marvin Hora
Others Present: Bill Deblon, lsssociate Planner
AFYi:OVP�3. O.i? JL'LY L7, 1979, 1s�/IP.ONMFIJ`I'AL II,RI.ITi' C01NNi?SSION MT_NiTTTS:
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NtOTI0T3 by Ms. Sporre, se-conded by Mr. Ye.terson, to aoprove the July 17; 1_°i9;
F.nvironmental t�uali.ty Coiccnission min�tes.
Ms. Metca7� made the following correcr.ions on page 6, beginning wi.i:h
paragraph 4: "Ms. Metcalf asked the citizens for commer.ts on_the
follocain� two concerns:
1. Any £eelin�s on general expenditures of tas money,
gasoline taxes, etc.
2. That the money in tlie Bepartment of- 1^ranspoztation
i� being used for continunl or a�ditional highway
developmen " rather than for mass transit."
On page 4, seceiad paragraph from the botCom, the date shoold be 'Phursday,
LiPON ?� POIC� VOTL', ALL 4'OTIPTG AYE, CItA.IB.PEnSON LANGEIVI'�LL DECi�1t.REa THE
MINiJTES APPROVED AS At•:END1sll.
APPROVAL Or J[!L'i' 'L3, 197;iSPECIAL liI4Vlitdh`^:Eh`i:?7� QUAT,ITY_COhR$LSSION
MLBTING TiINUT}35:
MOTION by Ms. Sporx���; seconded Uy Ms. Metcali, to anprove tl�e July 23, 1979,
Special lnvirpmnent�l Quality Canmi.ssion rne�etinv nzinures as �ariCten. Upon
a voice vote, all vot:in�; aye, Chairperscm Lar.�;e:;ic:d ueclared Che motion
carried uuanimousl}-.
FPNIROiVN,TiNThL QUhLSTY COMI�7ISSION NLE'C71�?G, AUGUST 21, 1974 -_ PAGL' ?.
APYROVAL Or toGEIdDA:
M.^,. PletcalP asked L-hat a"ReporL- on the Ju1y 26, 1974, Park Tow-" Ue given
hy Lee Ana Sporre. It w.as added as iL-em t+ under "Other 13usine�s".
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Ms. Metcalf, to approve the agenda as
amended. Upon a voice voCe, all voCing aye, Chair.pereon Langenfeld declared
the motion carried unanimously.
1. UPDATE ON T.H. 7.0 N,I3D NOP.TH CR6SSTOtdN:
Mr. Deblotz staeed that at the last Commission meeting, there was a motion to
direct City Staff to find out the funding for T.H. 10, who makes the ultimate
decision, and what time those decisicns would be made?
Mr. DeU7.on stated he attended a Metropolitan Transportation Subcommittee
Hearing, and he got some answers to those questions at that hearing. Also,
he wrote a letter to Craig P.obinson, Project �ngineer at MnDOT, and requesY.ed
another copy of the "Draft New T,H. 10 Environmental Impact Statement!' and
a transcript of the public hearing held at- [destwood Jr. High School on
June 13, 1979. Mr. Deblon stated he had these copies al- the meeting.
MOTION by ids. Sporre, seconded by Mr. Peterson� to receive a leCter dated
Au ust 7.0, 197^, from CLaig�Fobi.n:;o._of_P1Y�OT tn Ai1i neblo.^.�tr�*o co`ies
of the "L'�afL�v"e�v T.N. 7.0 �.7.S.", an�t a tta.n.scr:ipt bf the public h�ariny; ou
Juae 13,_'_9;9, at West-.,*ood Jr. High• Upon a veice�vote, all votin� a�e,
Chairperson_I�angenield cieclared the mution carried una�xi�ously.
Mr. D:�blon stated Y.hat the funding w�s avai.lable te r�locate Hightaay 10 £rom
35id to Hi.ghway 65. At presenl-, tLere is no tiesignated Lunding icr. tne western
porcioa Yrom Highiaay 65 to Highway 47. MnbOT would have to get further
appropriatior�s from the.Legislature. In answer to the question of who makes
the ultimate decision on Hi-ghway 10, that persan is MnDOT's Cormnissioner
Richard Biaun.
Ms. Sporre aslced if the Legislatur� has given money to the Commissioner to
use at his discretion on issues like the freeway from 65 west or does he then
have to submit that plan to the Legislature for approval2
P1r. Deblon stated that from what he understood, MnDOT was going through
their planning process, hoping to do a tkorough study to come up with a
feasible pJ.an. Then, the Legislature wi11 review these documents and then
act to decide wheL'her this high�.ay will be funded. Deblon stated that
this was where public input was going to pl.ay a big role.
Mr, DeUlon stated that in Mr. RoUinson's letter, P4r. Itobinson had stated
that he expected the final E.I.S. to be available around tke end oL 1979.
L'I�'VIIi0L1MEN'CAI� QiIP,T,ITY COhi^fISSI0I1 MP,E11P�rG, FIIGUST 7_1 ].919 ,_ Pf3GE 3
t3r. Debl-on stated that ae the TrauspoLtation SuUcoi*,mii.ttee Hearing, a
represental-ive from L'iZ6•7 (Bat-her., Kingrose, & Wolsfe7,d) gave a progress
report on the North CrossL'own, a quick overview of Che "Pirst Level
Lvaluation, and he summarized the ne�a EIS involvement, varly puUlic
involvement, continual involvement, and their four reasonable and procni:ir.g
alternatives to be studied i_n detail in r.he EIS.
Ms. Sporre asked if they.had talked about a preferred ali�nmeat.
Mr. Deblon stated that the question was raised at the hearing, and the
answer was that it depended upon what side of the river you were on. For
those on the west side of the river, the southern route closest to Fridley
was preferred. For those on the east side of the ri.ver, L-he upper r.oute
was preferred. But, the BRW representative did not make any recommendation.
Ms. Sporre asked if the SRW representative discussed any results of any of
the public hearings that have been held or any results from public citizens'
opinions?
Mr. Deblon stated that the BRW :epresentative had said that there was always
goi.ng to be opposition to any project, but he did not dwell in (�+P.Cclll on any
Ec,nclucions the public had on this project.
:`15. J�+C2L° :CLti_�(1 t1:?C SIIE oiten WUCCyE:'LCC; �?r18: �ic(' i=' IDBiiC' C'�r i.}1L';.° p143t!�"_C
hearings. Since the BitW did ca11 a pul�Iic he.�:ring, �h�� wondc:red %;hat the
r.a.u"lts were.
Pis. Sporre asked zf t.hey talked abrnit tne rol.e ti�r_ 1�;ert1-� Cro7sto:.nz "'.H. 10
1:�aagement Couu�ittee was playin.g in tiiis project?
Mr. Deblon stated they did not.
Ms. I�Setcalf staCed it seemed to her that there was a real stron� negtect of
public input. St �,*as a question of how effective public input really is.
N'OTION by Ms. Sporre seconded by Mr. Petersou, to continue discussion on
T.li. 10 and P;orth Cro;;stown at the i.ie�;t meeting.
Pis. Sporre stated it seemed Co her chat if th� Citp wa.s goind to geL- intc
t.1sc. North Management Cor.vnittee, there ought to Ue someona giving input to
the Cit:y on the roie to play on that committee. Since the Ylanning Commission
does uot feel i1; is reasonable to ca11 a public hearing for �ublic input to
the Nott:i Management Coirunittee, she fe7.L- the Enviromnental Quality Commission
ought to Ue L-he method of giving input o:i the role t:he City should play on
that committee.
UPOiQ fa VOICE VOT�� ALL VOTING AYR�Ci?lEIRPi,P.SON LCc,�TGENT'�LD DFCiARED TIIF,
MOTiON CARKCl:ll UtdA1TIMODSLY.
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E1�VIROblt;!:�1'iA7,_ J/+LL'1'Y CO'MMI,SION T93B7'ING, AUGUS7.' 22, 1979 �--P/aGE 4
Mr. Langer.feld stc!Ced that, in lzis o�inion, iC sr�med strange thaL- they
shoui.d jw t say, let's have a public heari_ng, znd Lhen liave r._ot.hing to talk
aUout. The end r•esu1L' would be confusing, no� :i.nformative. They should
wait uncil they }iave more informati.on and Lhi_ngs become more concreL-e. Eut',
he. alsc could understanc Ms. Sporre's point, thal' t11ey should get the public
involved right noo7.
ris. Spon-e stated sl�e caould I.ike to have a puhlic hearing to present some
of thcse pioposals to the public and see if rhere taas a decire to have these
highways or not,
Ms. Metcalf stated she would like to have some oi- the drivers who are being
so stoutly defended by rinllOT come to a public hearing an.d say they want that
highcaay, Othercaise, it- was only fair to list'en to the people who are strongly
objecCing to it for environmental reasons, bacicyard reasons, or what'ever.
Ms. Sporre stated the public ought to be invoived at this point �o they know
cahat is Leing proposed, the Potential affects it would have, and then aslc for
their input.
Pir. Beblon stated tteat he would not object to havir.g a public informational-
type meeting to create pubLic a�,areness.
t;r. Lat,genf.sld stxteci L-hnt was reasoi.a:ble, Ye just objecced L'o the �rords,
"puhlic hearing".
The i,oc^�:nission cencurre; �ltat the resson for having a p;:bLic heariug sras tio
cr:eate puolic awareness and to have the public become more info:�marive.
There ought to be some process to be used to codify the public's opinior.s
so Fric�ley's input can be given to tlie Nor.th Mai�agement Committee.
Mr. Deblon stated he did not know if the North Management Comcnittee had
that much in�pact Fny more, that it had impact in the initial stages, Uut
that tha North Management Committee had done its work. He was not sure
if this caas true, but stated he would find out what the role of the North
Management Committee was in the continuing progress of the Northtown Cress-
town.
Nfr. Deblon stated that the official public hearing woul@ be in Jur.e 1950
on the Northto�,m Crosstocm, so there was a�z opporrunity for iuvolvement.
Ms. Sporre stated s1_ie
sense o£ the pub7.ic's
input at that hearing
won't happen.
could see the value of having drawn together Che
opinion so Lhat, as a community, Pridl�y can give
But, unless, they go through some process, that.
P1r. Deblon stated that a draft EIS mouid te availaUle in March 1950.
lit3VIR�t4f'II:NTAL QUAL,ZTY COM."4ISSION I;Eli'CIIdG, Al3C;t15T 21, 1979 - PAGIi 5
Ms. Sporre sL-atcd that the resulL- oi Che IIP,W could be. a"no-build" alternative.
The resulL-s of that work and the North Man2gement Committee could Forego the
need zor an EIS. 'Che reason for L-he Nortl� Pianagement Committee �a;s to fulfill
Lhe early involvement' requirement of ehe new feder.al guidelines. 5'he CJommittee
has the power to consider the "no-build" alternative which defers the project.
Mr. Deblon stated he did not thinlc the North Mana�emeut Committc:e had that
power. He would check and find ouC the role of the Idorth Manageiaent Co�nmittee.
2. DATta ON SPRING I3ROOR:
Mr. Deblon handed ouC copi_es of data on the testing done on Spring Brook Creek
as requested by tlie Commission in a motion on page 5 of the July 17th minutes.
MOTIO:•d by Ms. Sgorre, seconded bv Ms. Metcalf, to receive tlie copies of data
on the testing oi Spring Brook Creek. Upou a voice vote, all vot.i_ng aye,
Chairperson Langenfeld declared the mction carried vnanimously.
Mr. DeU1on stated this information was received from �r. Steve Olson, the
City's Environmental Officer. Beginning in 1977, monitoring was beiag done
three times a year. Mr. Olson had sYaT.ed that i:he water quality, since he had
been monitoring it from Nov. 4, 1975 until new, had not decreased that much.
This eiata can now be used as tsase line data in casc ±.he �rar�r would get �eo-cse.
Mr. Deblon s�ated that the �ost recent' 3ata ;i0/24/78, 5;15/79, ?/?6;19) :4ad
not yet- veen received Erom Ciscle Labc�ratorias. 1'hat infornia"zio. t.a�3u1c1 ��e
avai:tabl � for Y.he ne:;t Cor;mi.ssion n�eei i::g.
Mr. Langenfeld rzsiced Mr. DeUlon to erpress the Commission's thanks to I�ir. Olson
for the great job he was doing and for providing Chis information Co the
Commission.
Ms. Sporrs stated that the monitorino of the water was Ueing done Uecaus�
of the potential development and adverse affects on Spring Brook. f-�om the
north.
P1r, Deblon stated that just the fact [hat they were monitor.ing the ;aater
might make :::io;e developers in Ccun Rapids mure aware oi trying not to affect
these water�.
Pfs. Metr.aZf sta4ed sue LhougLt that ma}�be this monitoring was being overdone.
She did r.ot knosa if it was ixe:.essar� to take 14 readings and L-hat naybe
four rcadings wou.ld Ue of sufii_cien.t value L-o show wat-er pollution.
MOTICIQ by Ms. S�m=re, seconded by Ai:. I'eterson, to continue d'zscussion on
S riu_ P,roolc at the next meeting when the Commission would also have the_
most recent data. - �
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Mr. DeUloa s�ated he would also gel' some backgr.ound on what the che.mi.st has
to do to determine �aliat is in these sampl.es.
P1r. Lar,genfeld asksd �;i. DeU7.on Co also l'.ry Co give an eaamrle a� th� next
meet:iug of L-he level or indical-or oi cr.i.sis or'd:cnger points in. the cater.
Ms. Sporre stated Chat tlie Commissi_on SJGL'ICI �C i�iterested in heari�ig
Mr. Olsou's i.ntr.zpr.etation of the new data as it related to t1_1e base line
data,
UPON 1� VOIC� 1�011's, AT,L V0:'lNG AYF., CHATRPERSON LANG�tdE'ELI) ;)ECL`�FasD
MOTION TG CGid2'IT7UP PS;CUSSTON QN SFRZiiG BtZ00it CFRRIED 'JNt=.tiC:.+0t7SLY.
3. OT.HGR LLt,)_NLSS;
A. Renor*_ on the Julv 26, 1979. Parlc'tour - Lee Ann Sporre.:
Ms. Sporre stated tl�e Parlc Plan was Presenteil i.n a way thaa gave an
overa;l ima�e of �ahat was being proposed by the SLafL in terms of
recreatioa. She found it very interesting and very meaniugful. She
�vas exrlemely i.nt'erested in the vaLi�e of the proposal for use oc the
T'MC prc,per*_p eout.h cif 694 and west of East Biver. Road for recreatioi�..
She �hn.�gh.t iY. had some tre;nendc?o� putential for Y.he. conunm�ity.
�i�is. Sporre st:�ted they vi.s:itFd ]slar.ds of Peaca whe:.e Mr. L'd 'o�ilmes
Qe�v� CiIC:3i a tour oi what is Up�r,g eione thyz•e. Tl�ere is a bui].ding rot
quite fi.nisc,e�? :hat cai1.1 �,ave ve*_•q ❑sable rcccns iox• tlie hanuiczppeci.
One part of L-he project she thought �•ras inet:reeting, hu^_ al�o co�.cerned
her a 1i.ttle, wzs a huge Uridoe t1�at [oould span Che v:�ile}> going £ra�
the bui.ldinv, cioom to Che lower level. Her concern was that it might
have si;niiica.nt v9.aua1 impact on th� site.
P'1s . S�orre exated th�} went to Ruth Cir.cle and were sho�,m the ch,inges
to be made there. 'Phey went to iQorth Park and saw the, new tuilding
site for the i_aterpretive center, At Madsen Parl;, they were sho�,m
the plantings on the boulevard bet�.�een the service road an3 73rd.
They vi.sited ozher parks Chroughout the City, including Com.-�or_s and.
M��ore I,ake.
Ms. Spor.re sta[ed that ti�e park totir gave her a lot o.f. respect for the
Parlcs F< P.ecr�aL-ion Department. Slie wou11 like ku tliank the P�rlc Board
and caould eacourage them L-o involve cornmission. members again in
opportu.iities lil:e this.
l:DJOiTitN.lEN.0 :
MO'tIOY b}' Ms. T1:tcalf, seconcled Uy I�Ir. FeLerson, tu adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, al� votin� aqe, Chai.i�per�son I.angenf-eld declared the
August _I., ]�i79, linvirorunenr.al Qusl.ity Commission adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
P�espe�ekfu115� S�ihriiY.Ced,
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MEMO T0:
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5UBJECT:
HUMAN RESOURCES CdP•1MISSION
NRSIM Pi. QURESHI, CITY 11APdA6ER
FUNDING REQUESTS FROM SERVICE ORGANIZA3IONS
The City Council received the attached memorandum from me and has directed
me to forward it on to the Numan Resources Commission to get your recom-
mendations, and then back through the Planning Commission far tfi?ir input
and suggestions.
In the attached memo I have listed some ot' the organizations we have
funded in the recent past. The Commission coutd maybe take an apprapriate
amaunt and priaritize it--if there was $10>Od0 availab7e, how would you
prioritize those funds to different service organizations, far example:
Organization A
Organization B
Organizatian C
Organization D
Organization E
Contingency
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5%
30%
20�
10%
25%
The contingency might be 25% making a total of ]00%. Then if the City
Council wants to al7ocate less than $10,000> they can propartion the
funding down accordingty in the same percentage.
We have also received
Resources far $5,000
Assistance.
this year a request from Gentral Center for family
and a request for $500 from Southern Anoka Corr�nunity
I would appreciate receiving guidance on this matter. The City staff
wi11 be at your meeting to further provide background material' on this
item. '
Shank you for your consideration of this request.
NMQ/ms ^
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CC: Pianning Ganu�iissian
Jerry Boardman
Peter Fteming
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MEMOR,6�.R1OUM
C[TY OF FRIDL.EY
643'f UNIVEQSITY AVF. NE.
FRIOLEY� MN.. 65�13Z [B'.R1=i71-3450
MEMO TO
FROM:
SUBJECT:
01=KICE OF 7H� CITY MANAGEFi
IVASIM M. QURESHI
July 11, 1479
THE HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL
NASIM M. QURESHI, CITY MANAGER
FUYDING REQUESTS FROM COP1IdUNITY SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS
It seems that because of the cutback of some of the federa7 funding and other
sources, some of the coinmunity service organizations are having a funding
pinch just like the City of Fridley is having, so they are turning to other
sources like local government and other governmental units to absorb some
of the cutbacks in federal funding.
There are two basic questions that the policy leaders of the community
should decide: (1) With the shrinking funding of• City programs, should
the City be getting into helping in providing some funding to community service
organizations? (2) If the decision.is yes, then a particular amount should
be allocated for that purpose and a system of prioritising developed which
would formulate what organizations should get funding and what would be their
proportionate share.
I 4•rould suggest that if the City Council wants to proceed with some funding,
ti�en maybe the Planning Commission and its member Commissions could be requested
to review the needs and requests and give their recommendations to the Council.
Then if the Council funds any amount less than their recommendations, this
could be proportioned down accordingly. • .
In the previous years the City has funded some organization such as the
following:
North Suburban Family Service Center
South Anol:a County Assistance
Red Cross.
Winterization of Homes
Senior Citizen Well Clinic
Fridley '49ers
$1,000
500
160
750
1,000
4,000
$�7,410
Also in the past the City has given some monies to the Fine Arts Commission>
Senio�• Citizen Service Committee, Teen Center, Fridley Band, but now we have
either absorbed these programs in our recreations service or we are doing
joint programming with these organizations, so instead of providing
mo�ies, we are providing personnel and suppiies.
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Honorable.Mayor and City Council -2-. . July 11, 1979
Recently, the Human Relations Commission has received a request from Central �
Center for Family Resources for $5,000, also a letter from SACA. So we
need further quidelines from the Counci] on this issue to prepare budget
recommendations for 19II0. .
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Mr. Nasim M. Oureshi
Fridley City Hall
6431 University Ave. NE
Fridbey, Minnesota
Dear Mr. Qureshi:
July 31, 1979
We, as representatives of ihe Central Center for Family Resources,
attended the Fridley Planning Board meeting, Wednesday, July 25, and explained
our program. We reviewed for them information concerning the history,
raiionale, bud�et, program outline, and structure of the newly formed center.
We are enclosing packets containing the previously mentioned information
for you and the council members.
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The targei population as defined in the packet, includes Blaine,
Fridley, and Spring Lake Park. Residents of the city of Fridley will receive
counseling services for families and youth, child development courses,
parenting skills classes, and informational and referral services as a result
of our program.
We are requesting a financial contribution from the city of Fridley to
help support the development and maintenance of our center. We have requested a
contribution of $5,000 to match the donations of the cities of Blaine and
Spring Lake Park. However, we wouid readily.accept any amount the city of
Fridley is willing to commit in support of this project.
Scott Spencer, in an arLicle entitled, "Childhoods End'� (Harpers, May, 1979)>
states: "... On the sharp statistical 'rise are teenaQe and childhood pregnancy,
teenage and childhood alcoholism; teenage and child drug addiction; teenage and
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child prostitution.and porno�raphy; teenage and child venereal disease;
truancy, and criminality. But the most terrible aspect of the flight.
from childhood is suicide, the third leading cause of death amon� American
children and teenagers(under 18) following accidents and murder...In the
, past decade child suicide rates have risen 100°� and the rate of attempts
even faster." "In the International Year of the Child, there seems little
hope of improvement in the lot of American children. There are no indications
that the rates of youthful suicide, drug abuse, and alcoholism will decrease;
nor does the incidence of child abuse and ne�lect show any sign of slowing its
horrifying increase."
Local, state, and county statistics are supportive of this bleak
picture. We hope, however, that in this UN International Year of the Child,
you will help us to belie this gloomy outlook and help us to grow in our
ability to help children and their families.
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City Councilmembers
Sincerely,
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Dean Sabliy, Project Directc•r
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Central Center for Family Resources
Spring Lake Park Community Center
1301 Slst Ave. NE �
Spring Lake Park, Minnesota 55432
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SOUTHERN ANOKA COMMUNITY
June 26, 1979
Mr. Nasim Qureshi
City Manager
. Fridley Civic Genter
6431 University Avenue N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Dear Mr. Qureshi:
AS5ISTANCE
. P. O. BOX 32104
FRIDLEY, MINNES07A 55432
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Southern Anoka Co�nunity Assistance is now entering its £ifth year of
successfully delivering emergency help to the disadvantaged of rridley
and other cities of southern Anoka County. During the past few years
we have increa�ed the base of our support among community organizations,
including city governments. .
An importanC factor in the success of our day-to-day operations in the
last two years has been the presence of a CETA funded office manager,
who has been responsible for record keeping and maintenance of our food
shelf. Unfortunately, we are about to lose this funding and must meet
the challenge of changing to volunteer staffing. To ensure the success
of the volunteer program and supply continuity of administraCion of
services, we feel it imperative to maintain a full or part time
volunteer coordinator.
Since our funds are directed toward assistance efforts, the remuneration
we can o£fer an administrator will be modest - enough Co provide extra
income for someone who may be on social security or some other assistance.
An approximate figure to meet our needs wi11 be $2,500. We are con-
tacting major funding sources in Southern Anoka County, as well as
the cities who receive the major portion of our aid. We would hope
that such funding would be continued from year to year so that our
organization could be completely community-supported:
I feel strongly that SACA is needed in Fridley and thaC we can, given
the chance, offer even more service in the future.
Thank you for your consideration, Enclosed is a copy of our Annual
ReporC and a recent news article updating you on our activities. If
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Mr. Nasim Qureshi - 2- June 26, 1979.
� there are any questions which you or Council members have, please
contact me at 571-8035.
� Sincerely, '
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� �Patricia Br�itnen���
Executive Director
Southern Anoka Community Assistance
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
Chairman Harris called the September 12,
to oxder at 7:40 P.M.
1tOLL CALL •
1979, meeting of the Planning Commission
Members Present: Ms. Schnabel, Ms. Hughes, Mr. TxeuenYels, Mr. Aarris,
Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Oquist (arrived after roll call)
Members Absent: None
Othera Present: Jerry Boardman, City Planner, Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner
ARPROVE PLANNIPIG COMMISSION MESrIt3G MITiUTES: AUGUST 22, 1979:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to approve the AugusC 22, 1979,
minutes of the Planning Co�iasion.
UPON A VOICB VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TfiE I�TION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
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City Code, to allow the constructi
Riverview Heights, in CPR-2 zoning
Rivetview Terrace N.S.
Per Section 205.157, 5, D, of the Fridley
n of two dwellings on Lots 27-30, Block S,
(Flood Plain), the same being 8125 and 8133
Mr. Boardman recmmiended to the Planning Commission that this item be tabled until
further notice.
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld to table the request for a Special Use
Permit, SP. �79-10, Faccalibur Homes, Inc., until, further notice.
Ms. Schnabel pointed out that there were a number of interested homeownexs in the
audience and they had been faithful to follow this item. She thought perhaps they
might have some questions that should be discussed.
Ms. Hughes withdrew her motion, Mr. Laagenfeld withdrew his second.
Mr. Harris explained that this item had been continued for several meetings now and
that they are tabeling this item a�d taking no further action until the petitioner
renews hia special use request. The affected homeowners will be renotified of such
action.
MOTION by Ms. Hughea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table the request for a Special
Uae Permit, SP, �79-10, ExcalibuY Homes, Inc., until further notice.
UPON A VOICS VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE I�TION CARRIED
UNANItSDIISLY.
Chairman Harris wiahed to have it noted that the affected homeowners will be notified
of any further action on this item.
P�INING -0OI+AffS5I0N MEETING. SEP�LSIfBfiR 12. 1979 PBGE 2
^�, PUBLIb H&ARING: CONSIDSRATION OF A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USB PERMIT. SP. �k79-1
BY ALLAN M. JOHNSON. JIM MILLSR REAL BSTATE: Per Section 205.101, 3, S, of the
Fridley City Code, to allow the installation of self-service gasoline pumps in
conjunction with a new convenience center, to be located on Lot 2, Block 1,
Pearaon's:8econd Addition, along with Outlot A, Pearson's Second Addition, the
same being 7751 Sast River Road N.E.
Mr. Boardman explained that the proposed itemwas located on Sast River Road, just
south of the Meadow Run Apartments, and north of Apache Trailer Sales. The access
into this proQerty �[as suppose to be developed by all agreements on the joint driveway
between this property and Apache Trailer Sales. 1t�o more conditions are that there
be no disturbance of the creek or creek area and to place acreening in the front.
T[�e store area will be approximately 15,000 square feet. It is zoned properly, but
the Special Use Pexmit is required for installaCion and operation of the gas pumps to
go along With the proposed fast-food store. The other re�uested permit.��s f�r a
drainage and utility easement vacation. Mr. Boardman also said the joint driveway
entrance would be the only entrance allowed.
The developer, Allan Johnson, explained the proposal.
Mr. Johnson said they are proposing to construct a convenience center with a fast-
food store. They feel it is necessary to install a couple self-service gas pumps for
the customer coming to the store for a loaf of bread, or whatever. This does not
mean a setup like Holiday or Super America. The gas service is a low piofile operation
and should not increase traffic. He went on to say the building will have 15,000 square
feet, there Was adequate parking plus room for good traffic flow. Mr. Johnson felt
thia development would compliment the City of Fridley.
Ma, Schnabel asked where excatly Yhe pumps would be located.
Mr. Boardman showed where the pumps are to be located and said they were working on
some type of barrier protection and better direct traffic flow to the pumps. Another
possible change w�ts elimination of the driveway going around and just having back-in
delivery for the various facilities. This would keep delivery trucka out of the
customer traffic flow.
Ms. Schnabel asked what the egress was off of East River Road.
Mr. Boardman said it was 25 feet, which is the normal access width.
Ms. Schnabel asked if this driveway �as shared with Apache Trailer Sales.
AIr, Boardman said yes, but it�^?as used primarily for entrance to Apache's storage area
and not by its customers.
Ms. Schnabel asked if this size driveway would creata problems for entering off of
East River Road.
Mr. Boardman said no, a 25 foot driveway allows for two-way traffic.
Ms. Schnabel asked how many stores and what sizes they would be are planned.
Mz. Johnson said the convenience food store would be approxi�t�ly 3,500 square feet,
with the rest being divided up from 1�000 to 4,000 square feet per store.
Ms. Schnabel asked what types of stores would be going in and if they had any co�itments.
PLANNING COI��fISSION MSETING. SEPTffi�ffiER 12. 1979 PAGE 3
Mr. Johnson said they would not be duplicating the shopping center to the north, but
felt it would service the area to the west of this property. The only store contacted
so far was Tom Thumb, but there was no firm commitment from them.
Ms. Schnabel said the shopping center north of here was suppose to have a co�nitment
from 7-11, but it did not go through. This co�nitment was part of the reason for
giving that shopping center the okay.
Mr. Johson said he had a representative from Tom Thumb with him tonight and he could
answer.zthose questions bettez.
Mr. Oquist arrived late and asked to have the entrance/joint driveway explained again.
Mr. Boardman did this and also said there was some concern on drainage and runroff in-
to the creek. He stated ityf�� the policg to develope rentention and ponding areas
and there are 3 potential areas abwe the bank that can be used for this. These will
have traps on them to stop all undesirable elements from going into the creek. The City
will be using a policy similar to the Rice Creek Watershed policy, which states the
developer wasrequired not to increase that amount of run-off as compared to the un-
developed piece of property. This was one of the requirements in obtaining a building
permit.
Mr. Boardman said the asphalt is 20 feet fxom the property line and there..�as, an
additional 45 feet before it-meetsthe county roadway system. It is abwe the ditch
area.
Me. Hughes asked about the parking in the rear.
Mr. Boardman said that� primarily employee parking.
Me. Hughes asked if the rear driveway was remwed,�tas there still accesa for delivery.
Mr. Boardman said yes, but the architect has not had time to study the proposed
changes. He said he was concerned about run-otf from the back parking area and it
being so close to the creek bank. However, with the 3 pxoposed retaining areas the
rate of run-off would be monitored in accordance with City policy.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if the emission of the gas pumps puts it in the Special Use
Permit request.
Mr. Boardman stated yes, any installation of a gas pump service in the district needs
a 3pecial Use Permit and the pexmit entails the entire property.
Mr. Treuenfels asked what the consequences would be if the gas pumps were installed
or not installed.
Mr. Johnson said the consequence if they are installed would be explained by Mr.
Ricks of Tom Thumb. If they are not installed they don't have any real course of
action, but would still be able to build the center without the Special Use Permit.
Mr. Drew Ricks, in charge of gasoline operations for Tom Thumb, stated from past
experiencea they ha�e not had any safety problems. The equipment meets all require-
ments of the State Fire Marshall. The pumps are the latest equipment with digital
readout. Zt has a remote control run from within the store, on which there are
awitches to shut off one pump, all pumps or the entire console as the situation
warrants. There is a fire extinguisher as required by the pumps. Tom Thumb has been
PI�ANNING COMMISSION MEBTING. SEPTffi�ER 12. 1979 PAGE 4
involved with this type of operation si.nce 1974 and have had no accidents or safety
violations.
Ms. Schnabel asked what the planned hours of operation would be for the store.
Mr. Ricka replied, 7:00 A.M, to 11:00 P,M., possibly opening at 6:00 A.M, to
service the morning co�utors.
Ms, Schnabel asked if Tom Thimb had run a traffic survey of the area.
Mr. Ricks sfiid no.
Ms. Hughes asked if they had numbers on the gas operation, for instance from their
other stores.
Mr. Ricks said they are not like Super America who pumps 100-700,00 gallons per
month. They pump 40-45,000 gallons per month. The grocery operation was the mai�l
convenience item and the gasoline . for customers already in the store. This
should average between 100 to 150 gas sales per day. He said there will be 2
doubie pumps, with 4 hoses total.
Mr. Boardman said the pe�it does not set the quanti�y of pumps that can be installed.
Mr. Oquist asked Mr. Boardman if a Special Use Permit was granted and Tom Thumb did
not go in, could a gas station go in then.
Mr. Boardman said a condition for the pern�it would be to have the pumps used only
in conjunction with a foods store.
Mr. Oquiat asked if this development was contingent upon the Special Use Permit for
ga3 pumps.
Mi. Johnson atated probably.
Mr. Ricks said this was the preferred route for Tom Thumb. The last 14 out of 15 stores
opened have been developed thia way.
Mr. Johnaon said they feel this the future of the convenience food stores and they
a re looking for sites to develop as such.
Mr. Oquist asked what percentage the gas would ha�e in the business.
Mr. Johnson stated percentage wise it was not great. The total amount of gasoline,
45,000 gallons,was small and only an added convenience for the store customer.
Ms. Iiughes asked if there were other stores Like this one in Fxidley and what
problems they had.
It was decided Country Boy, located on Mississippi Street and Old Central, was the
only one in the area. Mr. Boardman said there had been no problems with this one,
except for site limitations.
Ms. Hughes asked if the grates used to catch paper debris, etc. ware designed to stop
chemical pollutants.
Mr. Boardman said they use the same design as the Rice Creek Watershed, and were designed
PLANNING COtMfISSION MEETING. SEPTENffiSR 12, 1979 PAGE'S
for this. The filtering system was supposed to taork quSre-well.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if the convenience center could go in without this permit.
Mr. Boardman said yes, if they get the yacation �equest_far xhe_ease�ents,-
Mr. Langenfeld asked about outside lighting around the pumps.
Mr. Ricks replied they use a single pole centered between the 2 pumps with mercury
vapor lights. One large arm comes out over each pump and lights up the entire
parking area. There was also, if City policy allows, a Tom Thumh 9ign on the boule-
vard with 2 directional lights.
Mr. Ia.ngenfeld asked if the glare would a£fect the neighborhood.
Mr. Ricks said no. They have used this eystem in other residential areas and have
had no complaints. Al1 lighting was directed in towards the center.
Mr. Treuenfels asked in view of the President's energy policy on holding down im-
poxts, could he explain why the purchase of gasoline should be made more convenient.
Mt'. Ricks said as far as an energy impact he had no real thoughts on it. This is
only a customer coxrvenience and if they want it they will buy it here or go
somewhere else.
Ms. Schnabel asked if they would be able to continue their gasoline supply.
Mr. Ricks xeplied that would not be a problem.
Mr. Johnson pointed out that gasoline only stations are havnng problems keeping
open. He felt we have to look for altemativ� and this type of development was
one of them, the local neighborhood store with gas.
Ms. Schnabel said one of h�r main concerns the fact that this was supposed to be
servicing the neighborhood, especially the one west of the site, and you ha�e to
crosa East River Road, meaning you ha�e to have a car to get to it.
Mr. Johnson said the traffic flow was heavy, but it comes in spurts and pou could
walk across East River Road at other times of the day.
Mr. Boardman said this Wastruc, other than your peak periods, it was relatively
easy to get off and on East River Road. The traffic flow was around i$,000 cars per
day.
Mr. Johnaon said the question�?asnot the center, but the gas pumps. They will not
increase the traffic flow, but what problems will they cause if they are there.
Mr. Treuenfels asked if an air hose would be provided for the bicyclist.
Mr. Ricks said it was undecided yet. They have tried them at 2 locations but
could not keep them long enough to see if they worked. They have had so many stolen
they have almost giv�n up on �his idea.
Mr. Oquist asked what percentage of the sales figures wa;�from gas.
Mr. Ricks replied before 6,months ago at $.50 a gallon, sales were 30%, now at $1.00
a gallon it wa� 40-50%.
1'I.ANNING CO2frLTSSION MS�TING. SEPTE[�ER 12 1979 PAGE 6
Mr. Oquist also wanted to know how many customer buy gas only.
Mr. Ricks $aid less then 20%, most customers are repeat customers.
Mr. Boardman asked if there was a poasiblity of putting a bridge across the creek
to get foot traffic from the apartments. Mr. Boardman didn't know if this was
feasible and would have to check with the architect, DNR and possibly work with
the apartment complex owner for cost sharing. Also, Mr. Boardman was interested
in the possibility of a bicycle easement.
Mr. Harris expresaed concern about the storage tanks and the amount of room
left for the delivery tankers to maneuver around the pumps without hitting them.
Mr. Ricks stated the 2 tanks are located under the m ncrete pods. Each tank holds
12,000 gallons and all of this was in accordance with the State Fire Codes.
Mr. Boardman said there Wasenough room to maneuver the tankers without cauAing
any problema.
Ms. Schnabel stated one concern with the development to the north was traffic
making a right-hand turn. The developer had been required to install a right-
hand turn lane. She suggested this should be looked into.
Mr. Johnson said he felt that could be worked out.
Mr. Boardman said this wassomething that would have to be taken up with engineering
and Anoka County. There is a deep ditch along Sast River Road at this point, plus
easements to consider. He stated there was 45 - 50 feet from the road to the
easement, and a small shoulder that could possibly be utilized.
Mx. Schnabel said they had been promised a Eoods atore in the center to the
north and this did not come about. �
Mr. Ricks pointed out that Tom Thumb has opened 45 atores in the last 5 years, and
has had to close only 1, which was relocated in the same area.
Mr. Johnson said it co�ild be a possible contingency to have a convenience food
store if this Special Use Permit was granted.
Mr. Harris opened the floor to the sudience for discussion.
Mr. 3ohn Dunphy, 155 Stonybrook Way, said he was very interested in this development.
His firat concern was safety. Mr. Dunphy said peoply who do not live along this
road do not realize how hazardous it�^Las• There seems to be an accident every 1 to 2
weeks, mainly caused by someone making a left-hand turn and getting rear ended.
He felt this development would seriously complicate the safety of this area.
Mr. Dunp�y also felt concern about the size of the entrance. He stated the average
garage entrance w�a 22-24 feet and they wauld-be trying to get trucks-a� and out
out on a 25 foot wide driveway. He pointed out when the building now occupied by
Apache Trailer Sales was constructed, any further development in the neighborhood
would be low-keyed in nature. Gas stations in particular were mentioned at that
time as being cantrary to this idea. He pointed out that numerous atations along
Ease River Road were cloaed and that this community �asnot in dire need of an
additional gas station. Mx. Dunphy also stated the last quick service food atore
in the area went out of business becauae of lack of patronage.
PLANNING CO�II4ISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 12 1979 PAGE 7
One more point Mr. Dunphy was questioning was the drainage problem. He asked
the architect how much of the land would be cavered with asphalt. The architect,
Mr. Stephen Horts, replied more then 50% but less then 75%, with_the area in the
north-northwest corner being left in its natural state: Mr. Dunphy was very
skeptical as to how the amount of run-off for the sfte would not increase when
the site was covered with asphalt. Mr. Dunphy said the additional run-off coming
from upstream by all the land covered with asphalt was causing severe erosion
problems on his Land.
Mr. Harris explained that gallonage would increase, but Yhe rate at which the
increased gallonage was allowed to run off would be controlled.
Mr. Dunphy expressed concern about the lighting. He felt more proof was needed
to show that illumination from this site would not affect the nearhy residential
homes at 11 or 12:00 at night. He was curious as to whaC the peak hours of
this store would be.
Mr. Ricks said peak hours are from 6:30 - 8:00 A.M. and 4:00 - 7:00 P,M. Mr.
Dunphy pointed outtiiis coincides with the peak hours on fiast River Road and this
would mean 150 - 200 cars trying to make left or right hand turns, raising the
risk factor on this road.
Mr. Dunphy's last concern was that if this permit was granted, would Chis mean
future real estate in the neighborhood would be introduced and cause even more
hazards.
Mary Martin, 133 Stonybrook Way, said she had a letter from neighbors, Mr. & Mrs.
L1oyd Myers, Jr., 132 Stonybrook Way, that they were opposed to this development
also.
I�OTION by Me. Hughea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld to receive the letter.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TIiE I�TION CARRIED
UNANII�BDUSLY.
Ms. Martin questioned if there was room for the turning lane, if constxucted,
in front of the trailer business.
Mr. Boardman said yes, there �?�at Least 45 feet trom the fence to the driveway.
Ms. Martin pointed out that the trucks using this driveway now for Apache Trailer
deliveriea turn by her home on Stonybrook, back across Bast River Road and into
the driveway. This Was already a traffic hazard. She also atated the land in
thia area Wasvery wet and queationed the safety of putting gasoline storage tanks
in the ground. �
Mr. Ricks said that w�why concxete pods are required above the tanks to hold
the tanks down, He said they have built in areas of high water table before and
the one foot of concrete wasenough weight, thiswas again State Fire Code.
Ms. Martin expressed concern on the safety. Children would be attempting to cross
the road which ca�sdangerous, plus the additional safety problem of cars txyinQ
to turn. Ms. Martin said you cannot understand how difficult it ;$i�� to diive this
road safely unless you have lived on it.
Ms. Martin questioned the proposed screening.
P_LANNING COI�AffSSION MSETING. SEPTII�ER 12. 1979 PAG& 8
Mr. Boardman said it would be relatively low trees and hedges because of the
power lines. iie also pointed out the screening would be 65 feet from the road-
way suYface, above the ditch and would not be a driving hazard.
Ms. Martin said the late store hours, 11:00 P.M., was to late for a residential
area because of car related noise cauae by the pumps. Debris and lighting were
additional concerna• :' _ She concluded by saying she was very much against
the development and felt they did not need another station service.
Jim Black, 7824 Alden Way, spoke next. Mr. Black`s largest concern was again
safety. He felt any development that would increase the driving hazard should
not be built. He drives this road daily and knows the hazards. Mr. Black said
the road apeed �as not enforced dur.ing rush hours and he �as personally afraid of
the traffic at that time. Hia other safety concern was for children attempting
to cross East River Road to get to the store. He feared some child would get
killed attempting to do so.
Mr. Bud Dziedzic, 161 Craigway, said this area had been discussed before for a
possible car dealership and was discouraged then because of traffic safety. He
felt there would be more cars coming and going from a food store then a car store.
He 9ated that during peak traffic hours, children are getting on and off buses
and this development would cause additional hazards. He asked if there would be
amusement machines for the kids in the s[oxe. Mr. Ricks said no.
He asked about possible gas spillage. �
Mr. Ricks said with the advent of the automatic shut-off nozzles, spillage
very rare and small. He stated the tankers are so closely regulated by state
laws that this was not a hazard.
Mr. Mark Brenny, 260 Stonybzook Way, was concemed with the rain run-off. He
said the Rice Creek Watershed system can handle a 1 inch rain, but what about a
2 or 3 inch rain.
Mr. Thomas Hayea, 170 Craigbrook Way, queationed not only traffic safety, but the
fire hazard that could be caused by the pumpa. He felt some input by the City Fire
personnel was needed.
Mrs. Kate Kemper, 1758 Alden Way, said she could not express enough the hazards of
driving on East River Road.
Mr. Lennie Samuelson, 7800 East River Road, wished to compliment the petitioner
on his proposed development. He said he felt the area had no complaints aga3nst the
proper use of the zoning, meaning the convenience center, but had one against the
possible issuance of a Special Use Permit for gas pumps. He felt the use of
these pexmits had been abused by the City and stations issued them. There �+a,ps no
follow up and many gas stations are now eye sores.
Mary Martin asked even with all the safety features and state laws how do you
keep that one person from filling his tank up when he has a lighted cigarette in
his mouth.
Mr. Harris asked the petitioner if he wished to cotmnent on some of these questions.
Mr. Johnson said he was aware the store, not the pumpa on1y, would increase_traffic
iA this area. Secondly he said chiidren'�ere_not encouraged-or'a�2'bwed'to-loiter in
PI�ANNING COM[�IISSION MEE`�ING. SEPTE[�ER 12. 1979 PAGE 10
and also prpmote confarmity with use with other adjoining property and uses in
the district as a whole. Mr. Langenfeld felt this permit did not Conform to
ttcase_ conditioi8 and that was grounds for denial,
Mr. Harris pointed out that the denial of the pexmit is to be based on the
question of gas pumps. He added safety problems with the gas trucks delivering
gas would be another reason for denial.
Ms. Schnabel said point 3 was good since a specific delivery and maneuverahility
plan for gas delivery had not been shown. She also wanted to add the fourth
reason for denial. If thereT�asn't a nee�d for additional pumps, and this was „
aot proved otherwise by the petitioner, the permit should be denied.
Mr. Oquist asked if the permit was denied and a convenience food stroe was built
without pumps, could a right tum lane be required on the building pexmit.
Mr. Boardman sain no.
Mr. Oquist felt this would be a traffic hazard not caused by the gas pumps but
the convenience center.
Mr. Harris stated the four reasona for denial.
1. Traffic safety due to increase traffic because of gas pump patronage.
2. incompatability with the neighborhood.
3. Safety problems with the gas trucks delivery gas.
4. Need,for additional gas service in area was not prwen.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TfiE I�KlTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris �nfoxmed the petitioner this was only a recommendation to the Council,
and it goea befo�e the Council on September 24, 1979.
3. VACATION REQUEST, SAV �k79-04. BY ALLAN M. JOHNSON, JIM MILLER RIIAL ESTATE:
Vacate the 10 -foot�sement on the East side of Lot 2, Pearson's Second
Addition and relocate on the East side of Outlot A. Pearson's Secand Addition,
generally located at 7751 East River Road N.E.
Mr. Harris atated this was an informal Public Hearing.
Mr. Boardman explained that the present easement for drainage and utilities
located on Lot 2 would be vacated and rededicated along the eastern boardex of
Outlot A. At preaent there are no utilities there and it would be mainly used
foz possible future access to these lots 6y the City.
Ms. Schnabel asked if the 2 parcels were owned by,the same owner. Mr. Boardman
said yes.
Ms. Schnabel: asked if the property joining the new easement lines would have to
hook up and follow these easements.
Mr, Boardman atated no, the main reason for the easements is to allow access to
each property for sewer, water, etc., that is needed by that property. This
property and the property to the north already ha�e their necessary services
established.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEEPING SEPTE[�ER 12 1979 PAGE 11
Mary Martin asked if the vacation goes through can the lots be sold separately.
Mr. Boardman said we would ask for a re-dedication by the developer, the ease-
ment6 would go back to their original poaition.
MLITION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to reco�end to Council
approval of the Va�ation Request SAV #79-04, with the stipulation that if the
Lots were ever to be sold separately the easements would revert back to their
pxesent location to allow service to both parcels, and re-dedication of the
easement along the easterly line of Outlot A.
UPON A VOICS VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CllAIRMAN HARRIS D&CLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANII�US LY .
Chairman Hazris declared a recess at 10:16 P,M, and reconvened the meeting at
10:33 P.M.
4. DISCUS�ION OF THE EORMATION OF A PERMANENT ENSRGY COMMISSION
Mr. Boardman infoxmed the co�ission that this item has been continued and they
should decide what they want to do with it.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Langenfeld to give his thoughts on this subject because he
chaired the original Energy Sub-committee.
Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to see a permanent co�ission established. He
said the purpose of the co�ission would be to work with the city staff or unit
coordinator during the oncoming energy crisis and decisions. He stated he had
not talk recently to the other co�ittee members but they did want to stay together
and he felt their talents in this area ahould be utilized. Mr. Langenfeld said
he was pexsonally opposed to a continuation of a sub-co�ittee or a citizen's
committee. He said he would not participate on a citizen's co�ittee.
Mr. Oquist asked if this co�ission would be a member of the Planning Co�ission:
Mr. Langenfeld said if we follow the present ordinances it could become a member.
Ms. Hughes pointed out that it could posaibly be a member depending on what type
of items are being discussed by the co�ission.
Mr. Langenfeld said he could possibly be a sort of a liaison persan, so the
coc�ission would be properly represented. He felt with a coumiission the members
would have more prestige, whereas a citizen's committee might not give the co�is-
sion the attention and momentum it will require.
Mr. Harris said he could see the advantage of having a persan vn the Planning
Coumiasion representing the energy questions. All sub-coimnissions are concerned
souehow with energy. He suggested perhapa the Co�unity Development Co�ission
and Energy Coumiaeion could be incorporated together.
Mr. Langenfeld said he thought the Energy Commission would have enough to do with-
out being a weight on another commission. Also the Co�mmunity Development Coumission
deals with other questions besides energy.
Mr. Harris said thera axe many proposals that an energy repreaentative could help With
if on the Planning Commission. Such as transportation, lighting on a new
PL!►NtPING COMMISSION MEETING. SEPTEMBER 12. 1979 PAGE 12
developcnent, the proposed changes in the zoning ordinances, or could have had
input on-tktie Ct�mprehensvie.Plan. : ._
Mr. Oquist asked if there was enough work for an Energy Co�ission to do on a
monthly or yearly basis.
Mr. Boardman said that depends on how deep the City Council wants to go, meaning
co�itment of additional staff hours. A co�ission is fine as far as making a
reco�endation, brt the work and implementation of the reco�endation was done by
the ataff. The &nergy Sub-co�ittee has already mentioned an energy city co-
ordinator which means someone on staff was required to do the work.
Mr. Langenfeld stated someone on staff was going to have to work on the energy
problems anyway. and this would give it some coozdination.
Mr. Boardman said there are possible energy funding programs coming through by
the federal government that the City would be able to compete for. He asked, do
you want a c;o�ission to review these proposals or funds and how much of that
would be done by the co�ission or the staff. He said there would be a lot of
work, coming out of the Planning Department, and he will not be doing any extra
hiring to handle this extra work load.
Mx. Harris said aomeone will have to do this work. Energy is one of our most
ser3ous questions our countty has and it should be addressed as soon as possible.
Mr. Langenfeld said he fought very hard getting:the'invironmental Quality Commission
organized. He was ex-officio on that co�ission for wer a year with the results
being a complete reorganization of the commission structure. This was brought
about through full citizen participation and felt the establishment of this
co�iseion would be very beneficial to the City of Fridley.
Mr. Harris asked if ex-officio persons were allowed under the new structure.
Mr. Boardman said it doesn't say yes or no. It could be written as the Planning
Co�ission wants and the ordinance changed. However, he felt, if you have an
ex-officio member why not have a full member instead.
Ms. Hughes asked why the &nvironmental Quality Co�ission did not handle this
problem.
Mr. Boardmen said this is a very specialized area and the peop�e involved are
very specialized in that area. He said it would be a great loss to lose those
persons by keeping it at a sub-committee status. Some of the members are nation-
wide known for their knowledge in the energy field.
Mr. Oquist said that losa could be : bad also if these people are not used properly.
Therefore they must have some aort of direction so they know why they are here
and what they can do,
Mr. Boardman agreed with this,-they will need some sort of a program and this
co�isaion should decide what that should be.
Mr. Harris thought it would be beneficial to have an Energy Coannission in
operation when trying to obtain some of the potentional funds. It would show that
we have the personnel to utilize the grant moniea efficiently.
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Mr. Boardman said yes that is true. He said if therewas any type of cormnission
or citizen group, we would be ahead. He stated he was in favor of this idea
but wanted to make sure the Energy Co�is�ion had enough direction and area to
operate in. He stated if the Planning Co�ission wanted the staff-could set up a,
separate section for the code which would be on the Energy Commission. They
would layout the format, scope and membership breakdown, etc., draw up an
ordinance change and bring it back to the Planning Co�ission for approval.
Mr. Harris said the Planning Commission members should think of the direction,
goals and objectives for this new co�ission. After they have finalized it,
he would bring it to Council as a complete package.
Mr. Boardman reminded the members to bring their report by the Environmental
Project Committee to the next meeting.
5. RHCEIVE COI•4NNiTY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 14 1979
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Community Develop-
ment Co�ission minutes of August 14, 1979.
Mr. Oquist said they talked at the September 11, 1979, meeting again about the
rental property question. He said it is going to take a long time to come to a
decision on it and they have asked the City staf£ to contact Mr. Aerrick on the
legalities of it. He said a decision through the courts may take 2 or 3 years.
He also said they discussed alleys and took a tour of them last night. They were
abie to pinpoint which alleys should be vacated or not by the City and what type
of direction to take on this. A decision should be made at the next meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RIiCEIVE PARILS & RSCREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 15 1979
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the Parks and Rec-
reation Co�ission minutes of August 15, 1979.
Ms. Hughes said they will be starting discussions regarding goals, ideas, etc.
mainly for the benefits of the new members. She said they will be setting up
some joint meetings with the �luman Resource and Environmental Quality Cov�issions.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THS MOTIOId CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
7. RECSIVE APPEALS COAII�IISSION MINUT&S: AUGUST 21, 1979
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld to receive the Appeals Co�ission
minutes of August 21, 1979.
UPON A VOICS VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE I�TION CARRIED
UNANII+BDUSLY.
8. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGSS TO CHAPTER 205 ZONING
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Oquist to continue this item until
khe next meeting.
PLANNING COIMSISSION MEETING. SEPTBFffifiR 12. 1979 PAGE 14
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARBIS DSCLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
ITNANIAfpUSLY,
9. OTHffit BUSINESS :
Mr. Oqu�,st said the Coammunity Development Co�ission had received a petition for a
request by Glencoe Street residents to install a cul-de-sac on the end of their
street. This petition had been received by the Council and passed on to them. The
purpose of the petition was to stop thru traffic going to the store at the corner of
East River Road and Glencoe Street, plus possible crime situations. He said they also
received 2 counter petitions fxom the neighboring streets, atating it would increase
traffic on their streets. He said si.nce the petition came directly from Council, what
course of action should they take.
Mr. Harris said the Planning Co�ission will review their reco�nendation and it should
follow normal channels.
Mr. Harris said he had passed out a letter to each member from the Government Training
Center for a seminar on energy. Anyone from the Planning Co�iasion or sub-commissions
could attend and the tab will be paid for by the City.
MOTION bg Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to allow co�ission members to attend
the seminar with the expenae being paid by the City of Fridley.
Mr. Harris asked if anyone wished to attend they should let Mr. Boardman know in the
moming .
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THE MpTION CARRIED
UNANII�BDUSLY,
Mr. Oquist asked that the memorandum from Virgil Herrick, dated August 2, 1979, regar-
ding the difference between granting a Special Use Permit, variance or re-zaning be
placed on the next agenda.
Mr. Boardman said he had a memorandum from the City Manager to the Human Resource
Co�¢ission. This is a request for the co�ission to establish priorities when obtaining
funda and how they should be used.
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to receive the memorandum from the
City Manager to the Human Resource Co�ission.
Mr. Treuenfels said the Human Resource Commission did not meetlast time and therefore
was unable to discuss it, but will do so at their next meeting.
Mr. Harris asked to have the Human Reaource Co�ission diacuss it first before the
Planning Co�nission acted on it.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTIpN CARRIED
UNANII�USLY,
PI 1NLNG COt�lISSION �1E&TING. SEPTII+�SR 12, 1979 PAGE 15
Mr. Boardman also passed out a notice of a Public Hearing before the Blaine Planning
and Zaning Coum�isaion.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive and discuss the notice
of a Public Hearing before the Blaine Planning and Zoning Co�ission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYB, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DSCLARED THE MOTIaN CARRIED
UNANII�USLY .
Mr. Boardman explained the axea of discussion was located on Highway 47 and 85th Avenue.
He said they were cancemed with the drainage of this development because it will drain
into Spring Brook. Coon Rapids has promised ponding wheu they develop� this area and
it is hoped Blaine will do the same. He said the staff will keep an eye on 3t and-re-
port to the Planning Cormoiasion.
Mr. Boardman also reported that they had received contracts from HUD on their Large
Family Housing Program. They went before Council on Monday with a resolution to allow
the establishment of contracts between HUD and the City of Fridley. It is a$120,000
grant available to families of 5 membera or more. He said the monies will be used to
buy and repair 2 structures and build 5 new structures. These are individual homes
and not townhouses.
10, RECEIVE ENVIROIafENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: AUGUST 21. 1979
M9TION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the Environmental
Quality Co�ission minutes of August 21, 1979.
Mr. Langenfels wanted to point out the motion on page 2 regarding receiving information
on the relocation of Highway 10. He also pointed out the discussion os page 3 regarding
the North Management Committee. He said they did not have enough informationzat pres-
ent to call a Public Hearing.
Mr. Boardman said someone from staff will be attending these meetings and receiving
all documents on it.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIN� AYE, CAAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANII�USLY .
ADJOIIRI�NT
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Oquist to adjourn the September 12, 1979,
meeting of the Planning Commission.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AY�, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARES THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT
11:59 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
��%GVi-�
Paula Long, Recordi ecretary
Attachment to Planning Commission Minutes of September 12, 1979 Page 16
City of Fridley Planning Comnission September 11, 1979
Fridley City Hall
6431 University Avenue N.E.
Minneapolis, MN 55432
Gentlemen:
In regard to the request for a Special Use Permit, S.P. #79-11, by
Allen M. Johnson to allow the installation of self-service gasoline pumps
at 7751 East River Road N.E. in Fridley, Minnesota, we wish to state that
we are very much opposed to the issuance of a permit for this purpose.
The traffic situation along this area of East River Road is already at a
dangerous level and continuing to 9et worse because of the development
of the area east of East River Road and no access across the BN tracks
except at 77th Way N.E. This causes much delay and lane switching because
of people tur�ing into 77th from East River Road.
A convenience store wi71 generate more of the same o�ly a 150 yards north
of 77th and the addition of gas pumps will make the traff,ic situation impossible.
We would also corrment that even a convenience store is a very poor choice
for this location as there is no pedestrian crossing (with a light) north
of Osborne Road and the store wiTl create an attractive nuisance for children
living west of East River Road. These children will be trying to cross this
road in a very congested and dangerous area.
We are writing this letter because we must be out of town on the date of the
hearing but want our protest known.
Yours truly,
� � ,����. ����'`�
L�dE. and Mildred J. M ers �r.
Y Y .
132 Stonybroak Way N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota
LEM:am
Attachment to�Pianning Commission Minutes of September 12, 1979
n'Orll:li ON PUBLIC ifEARING
� � REFORL'- T{ili BI.AI\� PLANNING
n�.n zo�1;:c cor�„�zssio�a
Page 17
YL£ASE TAKL tiOTICL'- that the Planning and Zoni.n� Co?;��:�issi on
of the City of Blaine, Tfi�inesota �aill held a publi.c nearing on
tlie following appli-cation:
CASr
�PPLICANT
LOCATION:
79-59 - Subdivision
B.?4.L. D�:yelopment Corporation by I�en tiielson
85th Avenue and T.H. 47
PETITION:
The aoplzcant k�ishes to suUdiz-ide 6.27 acres into 4 lots
intended for develolment of retail trade/senTice busznesses. The
present zoning of the parcel is B-3 (General Business); no change
in zoning is requested.
TI�E SUAJECT PARCEL IS i�fORE PARTICULART,1' DESC;2IBED AS:
That part of Section 31, To�:nship 31, Range 23, Anoka County,
Minnesota lying Westerly of the };esterly right-of°ti��ay Iine
of State Highway No. 47 and ?�ortherl}• of the Northerly right-
of kay line of SSth Avenue.
HEARING DATE $ TID9E:
Said hearing will take place on lt`ednesday, September 12, 1979,
at the Blaine City Hall Council Chambers, located at 9150 Central
Avenue N.E., Blaine, Minnesota at 8:00 p.m.
All interested persons are invited to attend and be heard.
Persons who may have questions may call Department of Community
Development, City of Blaine 784-6700.
JoyceTti.�istol,
City Clerk
Dated: August 28, 1979
Published in. the Blaine-Spring Lake Park "Life" - August 31, 1979
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