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PL 12/19/1979 - 6668S 0 e PLANNIN6 COMMISSIOM MEETING WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 19, 1979 7:30 P.M. � PUBLIC � PLANNIN� COMMISSION MEETING CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: City of Fridley AGENDA WEDNESDAY, DECEt1BER 19, 1979 APPROVE PLANNING CO!4MISSION MIPlUTES: NOVEMBER 28, 1979 APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMSER 7, 1979 1. CONTINUED: RROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING 2. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMIS5IOP� MINUTES: DECEMBER 6, 1979 3. 4. REGEIVE APPEALS GOMMISSION MINUTES: DECEMBER 11, 1979 5. OTHER BUSINESS: ADJOURNMEMT: 7:30 P.M. SEPARATE SALMON PINK YELLOW (at meeting) CITY OF FRIDLEY , PLANNING COMMISSION P��TING, NOVEMBER 28, 1979 CALL TO ORDI:R Chaixman Harris called the Planning Commission meeting of NovemUer 28, 1979, to order at %:36 P.M. ROLL CALL Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Hora, Ms. Schnabel (arrived at 7:47 P.M.) Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerry Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: NOV II�1BER 7, 1979: � MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to approve the Planning Commission minutes of November 7, 1979 as corrected. Ms. Hughes asked fox the following clariEications to the minutes: Page 9, 3rd paragraph, last sentenee to read; She felt the dollar amounts alloted for t�e total requests should be increased, for example to $20,000 each, plus increase the amount of the contingency fund to help fund the critical area requests, at a proper an3 acceptable level, such as S9CA. Page ll, last sentence; All SACA pays was $40 a... Page 12, first complete sentence, first paragraph; Saca serves more Fridley residents then Columbia Heights and Fridley should help in the funding. Mx. Oquist askad to have the Sth paxagraph from the bottom, page 3, omitted £rom the record. UFON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRNfAN IIAREtIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIZIOUSLY . 1. PUIiLIC HEARING• PEQUEST EOR A SPECIAL USF. PERMIT SP. �k79-12, BY RICHARD N. CARLSON: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.157, D, to allow the construction o£ a 26' x 25-1/2' addition to an existing house in CRP-2 (flood plain), lo- cated on Lots 5, 6, and 7, Block W, Rivexview tieights, the same being 615 Cheryl Street N.E. Mr. Boardman said this addition was in the flood plain asea and the pxoposal was fox living area above the garage. A garage was considered an accessory building. He checked with the state to see if the flood plain affects accessory buildings. The state replied because there was no l.iving area in an accessory building and the damage done on accessory buildings was limited, they are exempt from setback and fill requirements that are normally imposed in the ilood plain disbrict. However, a special use pexmit will be xequired because Chey are building, in the flood ploin. Ae said after staff reviewal, they felr flood plain criteria was being met and the application shouid be approved. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMSER 28 1979 PAGE 2 Mr. Harri's asked if electrical or water services needed special consideration bacause of the CRP-2 zoning. Mr. Boardman replied because this was an accessory building and exempt in the flood plain, therefore no special regulations were required. He said the addition was on an existing home and would have to conply with tfie total flood plain disrtict. Mr. Richard Carlson, 615 Cheryl Street NE, was present for the request. He said all the electrical outlets would be located approximately 2 feet above the flood plain high water level. Mr. Carlson pointed out there will be a SS gallon dxum located in the garage floor for any water runoff, such as snow melting. Mr. Harris asked to have the 2 foot lavel for electrical outlets stipulated in the motion iE approved. Ms. Hughes questioned what the addition would be used for and if there would be bathroom facilities. Mr. Carlson replied there will be 2 bedrooms, a small recreation room and a bath. The bathroom facilities will be located on the plumb wall of the existing structure so no new water lines will have to be installed. ��;; ; Mr. Harris asked Mr. Boardman why he checked with the state on this application. Mr. Boardman replied he checked because of the way ou� code read, ... sttuctures for habitation constructe3 on fill shall be constructed so that the basement floor or first floor, if there is no basement, is abwe the regulation flood level ... The question came up, was a garage with structure above for habitation really a habitation structure or an accessory building, He asked the State what their intent was on accessory buildings because the way the city code was written, staff could have taken it either way. The state said if the living area above an accessory use was out or above the potential area for damage, it should be considered an accessory use. ' MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, PUBLIC I3EAI2ING CLOSED AT 7:53 P,M. MOTION .by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Hora to recommend to City Council approval of Special Use Permit ��79-12 by Richard N. Carlson, with the following stipulation: 1. Electrical services be 2 feet above the flood plain level (100 year flood elevation). UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. " 2, LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. �r`79-08, BY G.W. PASCHKE: Split off the East 1 foot of Lot 10, Block 1, Paco Indc�strial Park (7150 Commerce Circle West) and add it to Lot 9, Block 1, Paco industrial,Park (200 Commerce Circle South) because of building encroachment. Mr. Boardman said this was a surveyor error. The 2 lots are owned by Mr. Paschke and.the building was located on Lot 4 with a 1 foot encroachment on Lot 10. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOVEMi3ER 28, 1979 PAGE 3 Mr. Boar�lman explained that Mr. Paschke would like to get the building placement squared up with the lot lines for future possible ownership by 2 parties. The city has no problems with this lot split request. Mr. Boardman also stated there was a 20 foot error on the south lot line. Mr. Paschke, Suburban Engineering and the city were trying to woxk out a solution £ox that problem. Mr. Paschke thought he bought more land then he really did and has already done some heavy landscaping in the area in question. It was belived that- the drainage ditch was located on Paschke's Land but was xeally on park property, MOTION Uy Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mx. Oquest to reco�end to City Council approval of L.S, �79-08, G.W. Paschke. UPON A VOIC� VOTF., ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLAKED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. RECEIVE IiUM9N RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 1 1979 MOTION by•Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes to receive the Human Resources Commission minutes of November l, 1979. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Ms. Hughes asked Mr, Treuenfels if his commission had any sub-committe�s, besides the Fine Arls of Fridley Committee. Mr. Treuenfels replied no and said he believed even the rine Arts Committee had expired. Ms. Hughes said she could see the KKIQ� (KoQing with Kids fxom Kradle to Kindexgaxten) program becoming a city program and wondered where that program should be housed. Whether it was something to be handled under Auman Resources or Parks and Recreation and her cotcmiission. ' . Mr. Treuenfels said presently the KKKK was under Community Education and received housing, utilities and janitorial expenses from them. The Human Resources had approved a matching grant of up to $1500 for KKKK. Mr. Boardman pointed out the Planning Commission had deleted any funds for KKKK at their last meeting and Human Resources were now recommending a matching gxant of $1500. Ms. Hughes asked if the $3100 asked for by KICKK was their total budget besides what they receive from Community Education. Mr. Treuenfels said yes. Ms. Hughes commented that this looked like it weuld be a city program because of lack of school funding. She questioned if it �aas appropriate to be funding completely such an organization since there has been no proof of need by the community. She did not approve of the school shifting the responsibiliCy of funding and ii it was funded by the city, whicli department will supervise it. She felt funding should be availaUel at least for the first year. Mr. Harris said he partially agreed with Ms. Hughes, in that there could be some community need for the program, but could not see it as a city program. One problem PT.ANNING COMMISSION MEETING,_NOV IIIBER 28, 1979 PAGE 4 he could•see with the school district funding was because there was more than 1 achool district involved and it would be unfair to run a city-wide program with oniy 1 district funding it. He felt there should be a coordinating body so that all the districts could participate in a city program. Mr. Treuenfels said the KKKK intent was not entirely a recreation program, but it was not wholly educational either. Mr. Boardman said the question was not who should run or support the program, but was it a corporation similar to SACA or Sr. Citizen's Outreach that was requesting funds for operation. We have to decide if this was a legitimate organization and if it was providing services to the City of Fridley's residents and therefore eligible for funding by the city, We should question, should the city be putting money into this organization not who will operate it. Mr. Treuenfels said he liked that approach. This organization was aimilar to SACA because they both receive housing and outside funding and provide some social service to the residents. Ms. Hughes said she has to agree with that, however KICKK was getting their major source of funding from the city. She also pointed out the recreation program does support groups that are not entirely recreation, but also educational and into the culture areas, If KKKK was to be in the recreational�ea, do they have some type of review system similar to other programs that are under recreation funding (i.e. hockey). Mr. Harris said it seems HI�HIC was a social service and do we have someone to handle social services and should the city be getting into that area. Mr. Boardman pointed out SACA was also a social service that was providing a needed service to Fridley residents and we fund them. These agencies have to have places to go in order Co get their funding, and the city was one of the sources. We have to decide if we feel these services are valid and do we want to use taxpayer's money to help fund them. The city does have some responsibility to help provide social services for the residents. Mr. Harris thought the KKKK program should be under Human Resources. Ms. Hughes asked if there was staff personnel to supervise this prograzn. Mr. Boardman xeplied a new person had been hired and she would be introduced later in the evening. He explained she would be handling this type of work. Mr. Harris felt Human Resources should be riding herd on the agencies that receive funds from the city. Mr. Boardman stated not necessarily riding herd, but the Human Resource Commission will be setting the criteria when requests for funds come in. They will be able to decide who get the funds and how much they receive. Mr. Harris asked if it was in the relm of the city's responsibility to keep track of how the funds were spent within each fiscal year. Ae felt an annual report by the agencies should be brought in each year. PLANNING COMMISSIOt� MEF.T.INGx NOVII�7BER 28, 1979 PAGE 5 Mr, BoarQman replied he agreed an annual report should be submitted, expecially if tliey ask for funding each year. We may not agree with how the money was spent, but at least we would know what happened to it. Mr. Treuenfels said there were 2 points of consideration. One, do the agencies give an account for the money received each year? The general consensus iaas that they should. Second, if they come back for more funding, should we use their past records of spenditures to determine new funding? The Commission said de£inetly that should be part of the criteria when deciding on the fund requests. Ms. Schnabel felt staff personnel should go to each agency to familiarize themselves with that agency. Mr. Boardman replied that would take a lot of time and he does not have the staff , to do that. Ms. Schnabel said she would be very disappointed in Mr. Boardman and his staff if it was not at least recommended to staff to use sane sort of follow up on the agencies. Mr. Boardman said it was a good idea and would try to have his department follow up on the agencies that receive funds. Ms. Hughes suggested members from Human Resources and Planning Commission could also do some sort of follow up on the agencies. She questioned if KKKK was supporting them- selves enough by charging only $10 per family per year ($700 yearly approximately for membexship fees). Mr. Oquist said the one thing that bothered him about supporting I�KK was that the $1500 would only be reaching 70 families, while the $1000 alloted to SACA would be rearhing many, n;any more people. Tha percentage of people helped per dollar seemed very low fox KKKK. Mr. Treuenfels said percentage of use was one of the criterias he suggested to be used by Human Resources. � Ms. Schnabel asked if other agencies, such as churches, provided a similar program to KKKK, Mr. Treuenfels said there use to be one church in Fridley that had the same service. Mr. Harris said years ago many of our social services were handled by the churches. Now, it seems, it was not one of the main concerns af the churches. He felt there should be a central committee that would coordinate these types of services between the churches, schools and city so the�e was no overlap of serviceso Ms. Schnabel said some peoply may not want the church overtones if a social service was handled by the church alone. Therefore, a central. committee may be needed to coordinate such services. Ms. Hughes said she felt the KKKK program, because it came out of community schooling, has not looked for other ways to fund themselves. Other groups do and I�CK should be able to do Che same. She liked the idea of hKI:K raising matching funds in order to receive funds from the city. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. NOVEMBER 28, 1979 PAGE 6 MOTION by Ms, Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to concur with Human Resources Cormnission u� recommend to City Council that the City fund up to $1500 to IaCKK, contingent upon KKKK obtaining matching funds from another source. Ms. Schnabe?. said she was opposed to the motion foY 2 reasons. One� the other agencies only received $1000 and felt KRHI{ should not get 50% more in funds. �ao, the lo-.a percentage of families reached by KKKK as compared to other social services did not seem to warrant as much funding. MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Hora to amend the orginal motion by Ms. Hughes to reduce the funds for KIaQC from $1500 to $1000. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN iiA1tRIS DECLARED THE MOTION C ARRZED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Oquist pointed out Human Resources did not have a time limit on how long KKKK had to raise their $1500. He wanted a start and stop time stipulated on the motion. Ms. Schnabel said the Planning Commission on page 13 of their last meeting, stated the cutoff date would be July 1, 1980. Mr. Boardman said the time period should be for KKKK's fiscal operating "year or else when Council approves the funding, the time period would start then and end July 1, 1980, Mr. Aarris asked if the membership fee was to be used towards the $1500 KKI.K was re- quired to raise. He felt the matching funds should be exclusive of inembership fees. Mr. Hora questioned his reasoning. Mr. Oquist stated it would be to KKRK's advantage to raise the additional $1500 because it could give them a possible $3700 to work with and not just $3000, Ms. Hughes stated they are not treating KKKK's request any different by requiring matching fands then the requests by SACA or Sr. Citizen's Outreach. Those agencies had shown they have other souraes of £unding available to them and have used them. MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to amend the original motion by Ms. Hughes to include a start time for KKKK to raise matching funds to be in effect when Council approved the $1Q00 matching fund and to stop on July 1, 1980. The matching funds raised by RKKK will be exclusinve of the membership fees. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AT.L VOTING AYE, CHAIRPfAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, Mr. Harris asked for a vote on the original motion, which now includes a start and stop time, $1,^00 matching funds and membership dues may not be used towards the matching funds raised by KKKK. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRDfAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, 4. RECEIVE HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY'MINUTES: NOVEMBER 8 1979: PLAN^ILVC COMMT.SSION MEETI:NG, NOVII�IBER 28, 1979 PAGE 7 MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Housing and Redevelop- ment Authority minutes of November 8, 1979. Mr. Boardman said these minutes were for their information only. Mr. fIarris aslced to have Planning Commission see the Center City perspective plan for their information only. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHALRMAN fiARRIS DECLARED �HE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 5. RECESVE COMM[TNITY DL'VEIAPMF.NT COMMISSION MINt3TES: NOVP,MBER 13 1979: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Ms, Schnabel to receive the Community Development minules of Novembex 13, 1979. Mr. Oquist pointed out the conversation and motion on rental conversion property. He stated they have made a recommendation that an ordinance be drawn up �to handle this situation� and gave a list of some things that should be in or handled by that ordinance. Mr. Boardman said Mr. Herrick was presently looking at the ordinance that was adopted by Minneapolis. Council was looking at the idea of controlling the xental property conversion through zoning on the basis that the city issues a permit to an apartment complex on the condition that there be one owner per apartment and not a multi-owner situation, Therefore not allowing the condominiur.i concept of multi-otanerships. This would allow a co-operative ownership of the apartments. Mr. Harris said hax� ling. i� through zoning did not seem feasible to hin. Zoning was set up to control density and the density would not be changing if the units were rented or individually owned, Mr. Boaxdman was not suze how that concept would work either and that way one of the reasons for Mr. Herrick looking at the ordinance. The other way of controlling would be through special use permits and he felt that was stretching the boundaries of a special use permit. Mr. Oquist said it was inevitable thaC we would have conuersions someday and felt safe- guards for the renters and Uuyers should 6e drawn up now. Mr. Harris felt an additional stipulation to Community Deuelopment's motion should be the requirement that any building must be brought up to code before converted. Ms. SchnaUel said an ordinance should also be fair to the present owner. If the owner desires to sell, finding a single buyex may be difficult in today's market. If a buyer was found, they many have to increase rent to cover the high interst rates and repairs required for a sale. That could eventually mean losing renters because of high rent costs. Thexefore, the only way to get the owner's money out of the building would be to converC it. An ordinance should not be written to penalize the owner. Mr. Oquist said their recommendations were meant to be fair to the present people in the building and the buyer. PLANNING COMMISSION MGETING NOVEMBER 28 1979 PAGE 8 Ms, Schna4e2 said she had heard that some cities may require that at least.�l%, of the building must be sold in a certain limit before it was allowed to be converted. She was not sure if it was a city requirement of 51% or an agreement between the owuer and buyer. She felt this could possibly be part of the ordinance. Mr, Boardman did not think it would be wise for the city to put a time limit i_n the ordinance. He felt that area should be covered in the purchase agreement. Mr. Harris said the intent of the ordinance should be to ensure the health, safety and general welfare of the occupants of the building. That was the city's main responsibility. Ms, Hughes said we should not try to stop the conversion of rental properties, but, we should make sure there will be rental property avai_lable for tHe displaced persons from a conversion building. Mr. Boardman said the city has to help in that area. It was a metropolitan problem and each city has to do something to help solve the problem. Mr, Harris stated this was an area that could be coordinated by the Metro Council. Mr, Boardman replied they do haue a housing opportunity plan and a11 cities must comply with that plan. He said the City Council does want to control the sale o£ condos, but was not sure legally if they could do so because it was private property. He was waiting for Mr. Herrick's opinion on that. Mr. Oquist asked if Planning Commission wished to do anythiug with Cotmminity Develop- ment's recommendation besides adding the following stipulations to their inconclusive list: 1. Building must be brought up to code before converted, 2. Check into the feasibility of building presale of not less then 51% before conversion. The commission felt Mr. Herrick's opinion should be looked at first before they take any action, UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN tIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, 6. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MTNt7TES; NOVEMBER 13 1979: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mro Treueniels to receive the Appeals Commission minutes of .November 13, 1979. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLX, 7. CONTIICITF.D: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. 7,OI�ING: MOTIOIV by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Oquist to continue the discussion on Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning until revisions are made by staff. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARitIS DECLAI2ED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, PiANNINC COMMZS;ION MEETINGj,NOVEMBFR 28, 1979 PAGE 9 $. OTtIER BUSINPSS: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the letter from Burlington Northern regarding the Blain/Coon Rapids development. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN 11ARRIS DECLARED TFIE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, Mr, liarris asked to have this letter passed on to City Council, (See attachment ��1). Mr. Boardman introduced Mary Cayan as the new Human Services Assistant to the Planning Commission. Mr. Boardman said some of Ms. Cayan's duties would include working with the social service agencies in the city. Mr. Harris said he went to the Council meeCing to find out about the so called Environmental Impact Fee (see November 7, 1979 minutes). LBien he approached the Council they knew nothing about the fee and when he approached PSr. Qureshi there was . suddenly no such fee. Mr. Oquist asked what happened to the money that had been collected for this non- existinp, fee. Mr. Harris said if any fees were collected they should be put into the Park's Capital Imgrovement Fund and notin a slush fund to buy another dump truck or fire engine. Mr. Boardman said he though what Mr. Qureshi iaas trying to get at was setting up a park fee that could keep up with the costs involved to provide park facilities. Our present system has a set fee and that does not reflect on cne amount of iand'�involved. Our State law does allow a fee based on l00 of law land value. - Mr. Harris said those fees should be then dedicated as park capital improvements. Ms. Hughes said as far as the Park Coaunission knew, the funds for capital improvements are general fund allocations. It was a standard set fee and has no reflection of how much money was collected by the city for park fees. They could could have collected from $500 to $5000 and the commission would still receive the same amount of money. There has been no accounting of the fees collected. Mr. Oquist said if there was any money collected for the Environg�ental Development Fee, and since it was collected under false pretense, it should be returned to the property owner or to the person that paid the fee. MOTION 6y Mr. Oquist, secouded by Mr. Treuenfels to authorize Council to return any unauthorized Environmental. Development Fees to the party that paid the fee because such fees saere collected undex false pretense, and not to collect any further fees under the same cuizditions. PIANNING CGMMISSION MGETING NQV IIRBER 28 1979 PAGE 10 UPON A VOZCE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CiiAIAMAN IiARItIS D�CLARED THE MOTION CARItISII UNANEMOUSLY. Ms. Hughes fele the Planning Coimnission should commend Chairman Harris for going to Council and getting answer�s on this fee. The other members of the commission concurred with the commendation. ADJOURNM1iNT MOTION 6y Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting of Nrn-ember 28, 1979. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIAIiRIS DECLARED THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 10:10 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ��� Paula Long, eco•di SecreY.ary CITY OF FRIDLEY • PLANNING COMMISSION MEETTNG,_ DECEMBER 5, _19_7_9_ CALL TO ORDER Chairman Harris called the Planning Commission meeting of December 5, 1979, to order at 7:33 P,M. ROLL CALL Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Hughes, Mr. Aarrig Mr. Treuenfels Membera Absent: Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld Others Present: Jerry Boardman, City Planner; Bill Deblon, Associate City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMI55ION MINUTES: November 15, 1979_: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Oquist to approve the Planning Commission minutes of Novembgr 15, 1979, as written. UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI.L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. RECBIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MIN[1TE5: NOVE[�ER 14. 1979: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Parks and Recreation Commission minutes of November 14, 1979. Mr. Treuenfels questioned the need of having a lighted Christmas•tree in Eisenhower Square due to the energy crisis. This tree was to be part of the Sister City Program. Ms. Hughes said she was against the idea. She stated this was an accomplished idea before it had gotten to her con¢nission. She felt they wouldn't necessarily save a lot of electricity by not having lights, but felt the city should be setting an example on energy conservation. She also was against it because of some religous significar�e, M�r, Boaxdman explained this was not a staff oriented idea, hut was presented by Che civic organization that handles the Sister City Program. Mr. Treuenfels felt the Sister City organization could possibly offer a class in French culture or language instead o£ a Christmas tree. Mr, Boardman added the tree was more a symbolism between the 2 cities: The lights on our tree and the lights on the tree in France are suppose to be turned on at the same time. Council was in favor of this proposal. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN IIARRIS DECLARED THB MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 2. RECEIVE ENVIRONhfENTAL QUALITY COMPSISSION MINUTES: NOVEt�BER 20, 1979: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to receive the Environmental Quality Commission minutes of November 20, 1979. Mr. Harris questioned the status on the Trunk Highway 10/North Crosstown pxoject. Mr. Deblon said there was an open house recently were there were drawings and displays of the corridors proposed. The consultant had eliminated all but 2 of the possible placements, however, the Department of Transportation had not approved that action. p,�,�11INC COMMISSION MEETING. DECEMBER 5. 1479 PAGE 2 The consvltant was assumming Highway 10 would be relocated. , Mr. Boardman stated the Management Task Force was just finishing up their documenta (environmental impact, etc.) and they should be out within the next month. These documenta will have to be reviewed before any action was taken. Mr. Harris questioned if storm water would be coming into our water system from this proposal. Mr. Deblon replied Hwy. 10 will cross Spring Brook Creek. Mr. Boazdman added that drainage will be in a watershed district. We should get some answers to those questions when the environmental assessment was in. Ms. Hughes said air quality reviews on current Hwy. 10 were so bad, there was no choice except relocation. Mr. Deblon pointed out the discussion on the Anoka Airport. He said a public hearing was held. Right now they would like to upgrade the airport to intermediate status, mainly for safety reasons. The airport would have a 24 hour-manned tower and only freight traffic and small co�ercial jets wvuld land there. Presently it was being used f ar those purposes. Mr, Oquist said flight pattems may come over Fridley and cause noise pollution for us. This was the same problem they have with the area around Metropolitan Airport and they were creating the same problem again. Mr. Harris pointed out there was not too much we coLld do to stop the upgrading. The planes have to land somewhere. Ms. Hughes asked to have Mr. Dehlon keep a close eye on this issue.. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. , 3. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZOIVING: MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to continue the discussion on proposed changed to Chapter 205. Zoning. UYON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARItIS DECTARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4. OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Harris asked Mr. Treuenfels to set up a meeting with Father Paul of St. William's Church and the ministerial co�nittee of Fridley in January. The purpose would be to eoordinate plans or organizations that handle social functions and concerns, such as provided by KKKR. Mr. Boardman asked to be notified of the meeting so a representative from staff could also attend the meeting. � Mr. Boardman informed Planning Commission that Council had approved a11 their requests for funds and had increased KKiZK's amount from $1500 to $2500 with none of the stipu- 1aCions Planning Commission had placed on them. PI.ANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEN�ER S 1979 PAGE 3 Ms. Hughes said she was at the Council meeting and was surprised at their action. However, KKKK was there and presented a good slide presentation of their organization and a very extenaive budget of nearlq $6700. The Council did instruct the City Manager's office to draw up a resolution authorizing payments out of the 1980 budget. Onething that helped persuade the Council was the presentation given by KKKK. Mr, Oquist wanCed to know how Council could justify a$2500 fund for an organization that reaches only 70 families. Ms. Hughes said she had wanted to get the Planning Co�ission and Council together so Planning Commission could ;hear what Council wanted or desired as far as funding goes for these agencies that request them. However, Council, she felt, had reacted only to the situation that night at the meeting and not what was reconanended to them. Mr. Boardman felt Planning Co�nission and Human Resources should get all the criteria and policies for fund requests together Sefore they bring it to the Council. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Ms. Hughes,'seconded by Mr. Treuenfels to adjourn the Planning Commission meeCing of December 5, 1979. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MEETING ADJOURNBD AT 8:11 P.M. Respectfully submitted, � �,nr.,����.� PauLa Long, Recoxdiing Secretaiy F1UI•fAN RESOUP.CES COD9�iISSION MGETING DECEt�SBF,R 6, 1979 CALL TO OR�ER: Chairperson Peter Treuenfels called the DecemUer 6, 1979, Human Resources Commission meeting to order at 7:33 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present; Peter Treuenfels, Mary van Dan, Marlyis Carpenter, Wayne Saunders Members Absent; None Others Preseut:' 3errold Boardman, City Planner Mary Cayan, City of Fridley Human Services Assistant Tohn flaines, Executive Director, Unity Hospital APPROV.�L OP ATOVEMBER 1, 1979, HUMAN RESOURCES COPIMISSION MINU7'ES: M017.ON by I�1s. van Dan, seconded by Ms. Carpenter, to approve the November 1, 1979, Human Resources Commission minute� as written. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PRESENTATZGN &Y JOHN Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Haines was at the Commission meeting to speak on healCh care as it pertains to human resources and some of the problems facing Che hospitals in providing health care Co the community. Mr. Haines stated he �auuld fir.st tell the Cosanissioners a little abouC Unity Hospital. He stated the l�ospital opened on M2y 23, 1966� and he had come to Fridley on Marcli 1, 1966, to open the hospital. The hospital started out as a 139-bed hospital and laas now gr.own to 275 be3s. The first year's budget was less than $3 million and the budget for the present year exceeds $25 million. Last year they exceedecl $22 million. So, it is a big operation,and these operatiens teud to have a lot of concern from a 1ot of different points of view. Pir. 2taines stated that last year 7.2,256 patients were admitted. In addition, they toolc in 33,675 patients through the emergency room. There were about 1,800 6abies born, so approximately 43,000 patients were taken care of at Ut�ity 1<asC year. In addition, there taere c�any more thousancls who came in just £or out-patient work, HIIMAN RESOUkCF.S COIrII�SISSION MEETING DECEMI3ER G, 1979 - PAGE 2 Mr. Haines stated that in serving those numbers of. people, they had to deal with more than 600 different insurance plans, which sometimes created problems. In order to cio that last year, they had att average of 1,165 full and part- time employees, so Uaity pro•aides jobs for a 1ot of people in the communities. The'ir total salaries and benefits for those employees Iast year was about $12 million. ProLessional fees were $941,000; medical supplies were over $2 miltion; other supplies (food, housekeeping) were $1,4II4,000; equipment rental was $119,000; electricity was $209,000; heating fuel.was $265,000; other utilities (mostly telephone) were $116,000; and insurance premiums were $261,000. Mx. Haines stated they averaged last year. about 3.4 fu1Z time equivalent employees per patient. Labor hours per adjusted patient day were 19.3. Average wage rate per hour of all emploqees was $6.22. On their books at Che end of, September 1979, they had an accounts receivable of $3,733,000 representing 59.6 days of business. . Mr. Haines stated that Unity is a not-for-profit co�unity-owned institution. It is owned by the North Suburban Hospital District, which is a governmental unit made up of the cities of Fridley, Spring Lake Park, Moundsview, Blaine, and Hilltop. It has a six-member board made up of an elecYed representative from each co�nunity plus one additional board member elected at large. They do not operate the hospital; they fund the capital resources of the hospital. The,y own and operate the bui.lding and tand. Last Tuly Z, they purchased the Fridley Convalescent Flome which is a 129-bed facility. That is a large operation, but a different operation. It has a budget of about $1.6 million, In organizing programs for the aged, such as the nursing home, and hoping to get into other programs for the aged, Mr. Haines stated they try to keep that as much apart from the hospital as possible. They are hoping to get into housing for the aged; and if theq do, they will expect a whole separate organization to operate it. ' Mr. Aaines stated that the hospital is leased to Health Central, which is a not-for-profit Plinnesota carporation which operates a large number of hospitals. Their corporat-e offices are located near Brookdale, They now own ten divisions, nine of which are ho�pitals and nursiag tzomes, and manage four others. They have about 140-150 hospitals aEfiliated with them, where Health Ce�ter does the purchasing, provides some of the centralized computer services, architec- tural services, planning services, etc. Mr. Haines stated that each hospital has its own governing board and Unity's board has ten members. They are appointed by the corporate board of local people, for the mosr part, and delegated to that board is the totai operation of the hospital. The budgets are subject to corporate approval. The local board hires the administrator, appoints the medical staff, establishes the budgel' initially,has the responsibility of determining needs in service area and trying to meet those needs. The corporate board is more responsible for finding the funding--the legal entiCy. HUMAN ]?ESOURCES COMMISSION MCETING DSCEMBER 6, 7.979 - PAGE 3 Mr. Haines stated thae there are a lot of concerns in their business that people read aUouC in the paper--great complex kinds of issues like how do they talce care of more and more needs and more and more people and make them readily accessible and still try to even pretend they can contain cosl-s? FIe stated that everyone at every level of government from the Metro Health Boar.d to the State to the Federal Government are all addressing those issues, along with many voluntary groups. He stated that, in our society, people are guilty of blaming institutions. This is nonsense, because no institution can be a caring institution--only people can he. People don't pin down accountability; and it is a very hard thing to do in most of the businesses today, because so many people are involved with accountability. Mr. Haines stated that the government is promising the people something it cannot deliver by itself and that is health care. The government cannot . deliver health care, and they are trying to use the private medical and hospital system. Now they are searching for other ways of providing health care. Some of these ways may have some degree of success, but they wi11 create new problems. The most common is iiMO, which has some merit, but it also is going to have a lot of problems for the pubiic and the hospitals. Because hospitals have become too expensive for many people, they turn to alternatives such as HMO. Mr. Haines stated that hospitals can cut health care costs if the people really want to live with the alternatives. To cut costs is simple, but to get the same product that the people have come to demand and cut costs and sti11 meet a11 the laws is not possible. Mr. Haines sl-ated that one of the new programs at tinity is the P4ercy-Unity Aome Health Care & Hospice Program. They are trying to coordinate some of their programs. He stated this has been working marvelously we11 for cancer patients. Another program just started that day was having auxilliants going into senior citizen buildings, such as Village Green,to give blood pressure checks. These volunteers are trained to encourage the senior citizens to take care of themselves so they won`t need health care. There is a nurse overseeing the volunteers who is avai_lable to answer questions. Ae stated they cannot provide medical care because a hospital is not licensed Co provide medical care. They are licensed to provide hospital services. He stated the public frequently is confused aUout that. Mr. Haines stated they just finished a study two months ago that sho�aed they now need in ei:cess of $8.5 million worth of expansion just to meet the current needs and with expanded needs over tlie next five years. They are appointing a planning committee of board members, physicians, North Suburban Hospital District Board members, and a couple of public members to study this. Mr. Haines stated tliat three years ago they started an outpatient surgery program. Last year they had alniost 2,000 outpaL'ients to try to hold down costs. Last year they had a Bad Progr�n--they tried to get everybody to be a Unity Bad Guy to see what they could do to save $1 per day. It looked like they saved $100-125,000 just on small things. HUMAN RESOURCES CUhiMISSION r1EETII�G D�CEMBER 6, 1979 - PAGE 4 l�ir. Haines stated they are now looking at the possibility of acquiring the Assembly of God Church next to the hospital to use for programs such as daycare centers for the elderly, d�ycare centers for children, cardiac rehabiliCation programs, wellness programs, inex.pensive offica space, etc. If they do acquire the church for these purposes, he will be recommending, as he did with the nursing home, that it not be tied directly to the hospital management. Mr. Haines stated that some of the programs they get into because of laws are ridiculous. One of these programs is the Meals on Wheels, where church volunteers deliver meals to shut-ins. He stated the government has a good reason for some of these programs, but sometimes one program definitely works against another program. Mr. Haines stated that he felt Unity was a valuable asset to the City of Fridley. They have'their share of complaints and have a fu11-time patient advocate supported by 5-6 volunteers who go around finding problems. Many complaints are legitimate, and many times, even though they are legitimate, there is nothing he can do about them. And, some complaints are not legitimate. Percentage-wise for the size of the hospital, they really get few complaints. Mr. Haines stated that this last year they lost $302,000 just on the ambulance service. He stated *_he ambulance service �oas a service people had a hard time understandir.g, but they are having to meet some very critical new state laws. They now have a State Emergency Medical Service Committee, a Iiennepin County Emergency Medical Service Cammittee, a Ramsey County Emergency Medical Service Committee, and a Metro Emergency Medical Service Committee--a11 with regulations that the hospital must meet. They have to train paramedics differently for Hennepin County than they do for Ramsey County. They have 181 full and part- time personnel in the ambulance service. Mr. Haines stated that, in his judgement, people are not getting all the facts about health care. He felt that was one of the Uiggest roles of govern- ment. He believed government's primary role is to try to get the facts to the people so they know what they are choosing. Can hospitals make it cheaper? Yes, they can make it cheaper, but is that what the people.want? The people have to be told what the alternatives are so they can make the choices. The government should be the unbiased ^roup without a vested interest. He stated he would not deny that hospitals were the cause of some of these problems, but he had no easy answers to these proUlems. Mr. Haines stated that they idenlify regulations over them at Unity, and 300, not a11 govermnental agencies. over 200 agencies who directly make teaching hospitals can identify over Mr.. Haines stated he felt they were nocu at the point where soa� governmental agency has to be established where every regulation affecting the health care industry has to go through that agency to stop a lot of this duplication, Some regulations are very good and very necessary for the public good, but a lot of l-hem do not do any good for the patient. HfIMAtd RESOiRtCliS COMt�CISSION MEETING, D�CEMB�R 6, 1979 - PAGE 5 _ Ms. Carpenter stated she was very pleased with l-he efforts Unity has made in the area of preventative meclicine. Mr. Haines stated thst Health Central has been appointed to be the agent for the Sun Va11ey Insi:itute fox the upper midwest. Their wellness program has been puC on tapes and Unity will be having it for some of its employees in January. It is sti11 in a testing period, so they do not know how it will work. Mr. Haines stated there were many areas saithin the scope of the hospital, and he hadn't even begun to Couch on r.iany of them that people don't.even think of. For example, a hospital like Unity uses about 3,300 gallons of fuel oil daily. The Co�nission members thanked Mr. Haines very much for his presentation. 2. INTRODUCTION OR MS. MARY CAYAN CITY OF FRIDLEP IiTJMAN SERVICES ASSISTANT: Mr. Boardman introduced Ms. Cayan to the Commission and stated that 14s. Cayan has accepCed the position as Human Services Assistant, Slie is presently working on Section 8 existing housing program and wi11 be expanding thaC to handle a lot of areas. She will also be the member serving on the Energy Commission and the Human Resources Commission. She cai11 be involved with any other kinds of housing programs the City gets inoolved in and any kind of community block grant programs. Ms. Cayan stated she grew up in Wisconsin. She staee3 she has an Undergraduate Degree in Social Tv'ork from the University oi' idisconsin -?dhitewater, and a Masters Degree in Social Planning from the School of Social Work in Madison, Wisconsin. This position is her first position as a graduate of the Masters program. She did work in a co�unity school between undergraduate and graduate work and coordinated a coirnnunity school program. She has experience working in a welfara department, a r�naway center, sl�e worked in Washington ll.C. at the National Association for Social Workers, and has done some work with the aging. Mr. Boardman stated Chey were very happy to have Nary on board. She had a lot of background and a lot of things that might be of use to them. 3. OTHER BUSINESS: A. Applications for Funding: ps. Boardman state!? fihat P1s. Cayan will be in the process of setting up some form of process for agencie;; requvst_inU funding. The City Council felt it was a good idea fur the Ylamaing Co�runission to set up a July �' deadline for all applications for £undi_n3 so it can go into the budget for the next year. He stated Ms. Cayan wi11 be world no on a priority- ' type system Lhat she will be bringing to the fluman Resources Commission so they can review all applications for funding, They wou2d Itope L-hat HUMltN IiES0U12CES COMMlSSION MEL�TING DECLMI3ER 6, 1979 - PAGE 6 6y mid L'o end of Juiy, the Conunission can make their recommendations to City Council on a priority listing for funding with some type of percenta�e for toCal amount funded, so the City Council caci allocate "x" amount of dollars through the next year's budget. B. Handicapped: Ms. van Dan stated that right now the Commission did not have any on- going programs,yet the handicapped was still•an area they seemed to have the greatest difficulty getting into. She really would like to know cahat the City of Fridley was doing to meet atl the handicapped regutations in accessibility to public buildings. Ms. Carpenter staCed that Camp Courage had volunteered to do an accessibility sfudy of tfie City of Prid2ey for the Commission back in June 1979. Mr. Boardman staCed the City has many problems with accessibility. He stated that with the next CBDG monies, they taould be looking at getting some HUD monies to renovate public buildings and public spaces for accessibility for the handicapped. He stated their staff wa> too limited to do needs assessments in the couunuaity. Ms. Carpenter stated Camp Courage was one of those agenci,es that was willing to do a needs assessment for the City of Frzdley. Ms. van Dan stated she would contact Camp Courage and would have someone from there come to the January Commission meeting to talk about the survey and how to go about setting it up. C. Ceutral Center for Family Resources Program Advisory Board Meeting: Ms. Carpenter stated she attended this advisory board meeting on NovemUer 15. At that meeting, they talked about the counseling services they have provi.ded. As of November 15, they had 35 referrals and total number of counseling services were 135 as shoc+m on the attached sheet, Ms. Carpenter stated the Center Iiad finished their par.enting classes, At the meeting, they handed out evaluations of the parenting classes and conanents the people made and the evaluation tool they used. Theze was a lot of positive feedback on the parenting classes, and they intended eo have Chem again in the n�ar future. This ti.me they would be adverCising in the Fridley newsleLter. Ms. Carpenter stated that groups were in the development stage and ehey hadn't started any counseling groups yet, They talked a little about fuCure programniing. � - HUMAN R�SOURCES COMMISSION MEETING DSCEMBER 6, 1979 - PAGE 7 Ms. Carpenter stated they talked about a state grant. They are getting into the area of drug assessment and YCCIP, which is an employing-youth during-summer program. Evidently the City of Blaine submitted proposals on this, and they wili be getting youth working through this program. They are also doing the seate funding of a drop-out survey that is looking at alternative education for youth drop-outs. Ms. Carpen[er stated the next board meeting would be in February 1980. D. Fridley Fine hrts Committee: Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Fridley Fine Arts Committee was apparently defunct, and he caondered if the Commission wanted to do anything further in the direction of fine arts. Apparently, there is a need for fine arts of one kind or another in the community, but there is the problem of bringing people together who are interested in doing similar things and making them aware of each other. Maybe the Commission would be interested in doing this. Ms. Carpenter suggeseed that the Co�nission publicize in the Fridley newsletter for people interested in fine arts. Mr. Treuenfels stated he would see that something was put in the next Fridley newsletter. ADJOURNMENT : NOTION by Ms. Carpenter, seconded by Mr. Saunders, to adjoum the meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Treuenfels declared the December 6, 1979, Iiuman Resources Commission meeting adjourned at 9:47 p.m. Respectfully subm'tted, � .. � ��ry /�iV Lynn� Saba Recording Secretary $EPERRALS AND G�OGRAPIIIC LOCATION OP CLIENT Client rnferred 6y: A rriend $laine DisC. Newsletter Woodcrest Spring Lk,. Pk. NewsletLer Westwood Jr. High Anoka Co. Soc. Ser.. Roosevelt School Anoka Co. Walfare Se1f Referrals Mercy Cli.nic Abiding Savior Blaine Police St. Philip's Messiah Luth. A Father Park Terrace Fri�dley Sr. High 3 1 1 1 1 11 1 2 3 1 3 1 1 1 1 2 1 Client City Blaine Mounds View Fridley Spring Lake Park Anoka Columbia N.ts. Princeton Ham Lake. Coon Ra�ids Watertown New Brighton TOTAL NUMBER OF REFERRALS AS OF NOVEKBER 15, 1979 = 35 13 2 7 2 3 2 1 1 3 1 1 TOTAL NUMBER OF SESSIONS IN COUNSELING AS OF NOVEPIBER 15, 1979 = 135 . CO�ITY;DEVELOPMENT C�I�ffSSION MEETING D&CEMBER 11, 1979 CALL TO ORDER: Chairpers:on LeRoy.Oquist called the December 11, 1979, Community Development Coumnission meeting to order at 7:34 p.m. ROLL •GALL: Members Present: LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig, A1 Gabel, KenneCh Vos, Sharon Gustafson ' Members Absent: None ' Others Yresent: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner Ap�OVAL OF NOVEMBER 13 1979, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOt�AiISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Vos, to approve the November 13, 1979, Community Development Comnission minutes as written. Upon a voice voUe, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously. 1. PROGRESS ON CONDO CONVERSION DRAFT ORDINANCE: Mr. Deblon stated he had nothing to report on this item at this time escept to inform the Commission members that Mr. Virgil Herrick was in the process of reviewing.it. 2. STATUS OF ALLEYS IN FRIDLEYs Mr. Deblon stated that the City has sent out lettess to property owners informing them of some of the problems with these alleys and whether they would be in favor or not in favor of vacation. He stated they had received many responses, and the responses continued to come in. He stated that he would be making a map which showed the alleys and whether the property owners were oppoaed or not opposed. Mr. Deblon stated that Staff was doing what the Commission recommended at their October meeting, which was for Staff ta look at each alley individually. 8e sxated that after all the responaea were in, for those alleys where property oaners were unanimous for vacation, a blanket'public hearing could be held to vacate those alleys. For those alleya where there was one or two property owners oppased, maybe some kind of neighb'oxhood meeting could be set up for discuasions. _ � �.- --��. �. .�^= COMMUNITY DEVELOYMENT COt�4dISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 11, 1979 PAGE 2 3. SNFORMATION ON 1980 CENSUS: Mr. Deblan stated that Census Day will be April 1, 1980; He_stated the census provided a super opportunity for municipalities to 4btain data and ✓ ittformation. The City wiII,have an article ia the Fridley newsletter and wiYJ� be attaching a flier to the newsietter to encourage people to fi21 out the cenaus forms when they receive Ehe forms. Mr. Deblon stated that if he thought of any way the Co�ission could play � a role in she 1980 census,_he would get back to them. � 4. PROGRESS ON BIKEWAY/WALKWAY: Mr. Deblon stated that he got"togeGher with Mr. Jerrold Boardman, who ' updated him on the pfan, but he did not really have anything to report. Mr. Oquist stated that the o�.gixtal Bikeway/Waikway maps, shouid be updated because of the bike lanes being taken off Mississippi and Osborne.Road. ADJOURNt�fENT : MOTION by Mr. Gabel, aeconded by Ms. Gustafson, to adjoum the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all votiug aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the December 11, 1979, Community Development Commission meeting adjourned at 8:40 p.m. Bespectfully submitted, ___� Lyn Saba Recording Secretary . ��, �n����� 0 ■i � � "� � 4� � CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMLSSION MEETING DECEMBER 19 1979 CAI.L TO ORDSR: �� . 3 Chairman Harris called the December 19, 1979, Planning Cosm�ission meeting to order at 7;37 p.m. ROLL CALL• Members PresenC: Ms. Hughes, Mr. Harris, Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Langenfeld, Ms. Schnabel Members Absent; Others Present: Mr. Oquist Jerrold Boardman, City Planner Bill Deblon, Associate Planner APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 28 1979, PLANNiNG COTIl�fISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Aughes, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the November 28, 1979, Planning Commission minutes. Ms. Hughes indicated the following corrections to the minuCes: Page 2, paragraph 6: "plum wall° should be changed to "plumb wall" Page 3, paragraph 1: "heavy landscaping" should be changed to "extensive landscaping° UPON A VOZCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MINUTES APPROVED AS AMENDED. APPROVAL.OF DECEMBER 5 1979, PLANNING COMMISSION MZNUTES; MOTION�by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to approve the December 5, 1979, Planning Commission minutes as written. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAYfER 205. ZONLNG: MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the revised Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Mr. Boardman stated that he had not yet completed all the changes in the revised Zoning Code, but he was getting close. Ae stated that under the "General Provisions" on page 8, he left in "Declaration of Policy", "Non- comforming Uses of Structure","I.ot Provisions" on page 10, "Accessory Buildings and Structures Provisions", ''Required Yard and Open Space". He left in the "Environmental Quality" section. He took out the "Performance Standards" and I 3A PLANNIN� COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 19 1979 PA6E 2 those will be put into each of the districts. He took each of the districts, went through all the "Performance Standards", took all the modifications and changes suggested by the Planning Commission for the "Performance Standards", and had those drawn up for each of the sections. He stated the Planning Co�ission had wanted him to rework the parking requirements, and he had not yet gotten the parking requirements put into those sections. Mr. Harris asked:the Commission how they wanted to handle this document. Ms. Schnabel stated she would like to have some time to study the revised document and compare it with past notes. Mr. Boardman stated that when the Coa�issioners go through the revised document, they should check to make sure all the corrections made by the Planning Co�ission were put into the "Performance Standards". Mr. Boardman stated that, as requested, he had located the "Townhouse" section behind the "R1" section. After the "Townhouse" section, he had puC the "P Aistrict". He was looking at the end of "Industrial" as being the location for the "PUD" (Planned Unit DeveLopment). The Planning Co�ission had talked about the differences between "Special Districts" and "PUD Districts", so there would probably be a separate "PUD" from "Special Districts". UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE :40TION CARRIED UNANiMOUSLY. • MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to continue discussion on Proposed Ghanges to Chaptex 205. Zoning until the next meeting. UPON A VOICE VdT�, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAI3 HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRTED UNANIMpUSLY, 2. RECEIVE DECEMBER 6 1979, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the Decemher 6, 1979, Human Resources Commission minutes. ' Mr. Langenfeld stated he enjoyed reading Mr. Haines' (Executive Director of Unity Hospital) comments about health care. Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Treuenfels why the Human Resources Coum�ission asked Mr. Haines to come to a co�ission meeting. Mr. Treuenfels stated that the problem of health care is of great interest as far as human resources, particularly for the aged and people living on limited incames. Many questions have been asked and there has been quite a 1ot of debate in the papers on health care, and there never seems to be a good explanation for rising costs, etc. Mr. Treuenfels stated that Mr. Haines made an interesting presentation and opened his eyes to a number of facts that he had not been aware of. � 3B PLANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 19, 1979 PAGE 3 Ms. Schnabel stated that the most interesting remark made by Mr. Haines was that the hospital is not licensed to provide medical care, only the doctors. It is a common assumption by people that a hospital is there to provide medical care. It is also probably one of the reasons why people criticize hoapitals more than is necessary. � i3P6N A VOICE VO`TE, �I;L VOTIN� AYE, CHAIRMAIV i3ARRIS DECLARED TI� MOTION CARRIED UNANII�USLY. 3. RECEIVE DECEMBER 11, 1979 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CO�SSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel,to receive the Decem6er 11, 1979, Co�uaity Development Commission minutes. Ms. Hughes asked about the responses to the letters on aLley vacations that the City had sent out to the citizens. Mr. Deblon stated that, for the most part, people did not mind Che alley vacation, but did ask about the rise in taxes. There has been some communi- cation problems with some peopie, and there is going to have to be further explanation and mediation in some cases, especially in the areas where 90% want an alley vacated and L0�'/, don't. ' Mr. Harris stated he thought for those alleys where there are no problems, they should have a blanket vacation, because it could save a loC`of problems in the future. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECI,ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANiMOUSLY. 4. RECEIVE IIECEMBER 11 1979 APPEALS COPIIdISSION MINUTES: MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the December 11, 1979, Appeals Commission minutes. ' Ms. Schnabel stated with the request on page 2 of the minutes, the petitioner had an existing garage that he wanted to convert to living area and then dig . a new garage below the existing garage. The petitioner made the remark at the meeting that he was told by Aarrel Clark that he could avoid applying for a variance if he made part of the new living area stozage--in other words, the 2-4 feet closest Co the lot line. She stated the Appeals Co�ission was a Little concerned. She could not recall this ever coming up before, and she was concerned because she thought it was a way to circumvent the Zoning ordinance. Mr. Boardman stated that he did not think this was the case, and he did not think there was any situation where it was recommended by staff that this be done, As far as he lmew;about what happened was that the petitioner, Mr. Earl Hansen, came in and stated he needed to get construction underway before winter. Mr. Clark told him the only way he could get construction started was if that was not living space, because you can legally put non- inhabitable space up to five feet of a property line. Then, Mr. Clark had � PLANNIN� COMPIISSICN MEETIPiG,. DECEMBER 19 1979 PAGE 4 told him that if he wanted to use that space for living space, he would have to get a variance. However, Mr. Clark had warned him that by starting con- struction, he was taking a risk that if the Appeals Commission turnefl down the variance, he would never have that space as living space. Mr. Boardman stated that to begin with, Mr. Clark had talked to the contractor, and not necessarily the owaer, Mr. Hansen, when the building permit was issued. Mr. Aansen had told Mr. Boardman that the contractor had told Mr, Hansen it was o.k. to go ahead with construction, but the contractor did not te11 Mr. Hansen that he would not be able to use that space for living space without a variance. So, there were things going on between the contractor and the owner of the property that Mr. Clark was not aware of. When Mr. CLark talked to the contractor, he was talking to a representative for the owner. Mr. Boardman stated this was his understanding of what had happened. Ms. Schnabel stated she felt the petitioner was somewhat confused by the various information received at City Hall and had said he never wanted any- thing but living space. She s[ated Che Appeals Commission had no real problem with granting the variance, but were concerned because it seemed to be circum- venting the Zoning ordinance. Ms. Schnabel stated that on page 8 of the minutes, another question came up and the Appeals Commission decided to have someone from the Fire Department speak to the}n again about fire wall situations, The Co�nission had a request to install a five-stall garage ten feet from an apartment building, and they were concerned if there was a fire in the garage if there was the possib3lity of it spreading to the apartment building and whether or not a fire wall should be installed in the one wall of the garage next to the apartment building. Mr. Boardman stated that he was sure Darrel Clark would be able to answer those kinds of questions. Mr. C1ark would not have Let that request get this far aad would not allow that garage to be built if there was a fire regulation. No building pertnits are issued for something that is against fire codes or building codes� and the Appeals Commission should not have to worry about those things. Ms. Schnabel stated the Appeals Commission had been concerned because Mr. Clark was not at that meeting, and they did not have any of that kind of information. UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI,L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAIQIMOUSLX. 5. OTHER BUSINESS: 3C Mr. Treuenfels stated that at the December 5, 1979, Planning Commission meeting, Mr. Harris had asked him to set up a meeting with Father Pau1 of St. Williams Church and the Ministerial Co�ittee of Fridley in January for.the purpose of coordinating plans or organizations that handle social functibns and concerns, such as KKKK. i 3D PLANNING COI�PffSSION MEETING DECEMBER 19, 1979 PAGE 5 Mr. Treuenfels stated that the Ministerial Committee's next meeting was on Thursday, Januaty 3, 1980, at the Fridley Covenant Church, and they were invited to attend the meeting at $:00 a,m. Mr. Aarris stated he and Mr. Treuenfels would attend this meeting. Mr. Harris stated thar in regard to park fees, he felt it was within the realm and responsibility of the Planning Commission to get the impetus going for setting a policy on park fees and distribution of park fees. He felt uncomfortable that the Planning Co�anission had Co be the "watchdog!' for the community, 6ut someone had to do it. Ms. Hughes stated if this is a general revenue source for the City, then it should noC be called a park fee, and that is what it has been in the past. If it is a park fee, Chen it should be dedicated for park use. take action to estab ta uronertv in the C and a policy on park fees--that it ccording to some fixed formula it be easily administered and ion with the Planning Commissi poses. so as to easily under- m on the UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIPiG AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTI013 CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. t of the Parks & Recreation to discuss the matter of a nark fee UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DEGT.ARED THE MOTION CARRESD iTNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Harris stated he would like to wish each and everyone a happy holiday and a properous new year: MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to adjourn the meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the December 19, 1979, Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 9:06 p.m. Respectfully submitted, �� Ly e Saba Recording Secretary