PL 06/04/1980 - 6682City of Fridley
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- PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WEDNESDAY, JUNE 4, 1980 7:00 P.M.
Note; This meetin9 is starting 1/2 hour earlier than usual PAGES
CALL TO ORDER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MA1' 21, 1980 1- 9
1. RECEIUE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 13, PINK
1980
2. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 14, i980 GREEN
3. RECEIVE ENUIRONMENTAL QUAIITY COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 20, 1980 SLUE
see attachment)
4. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 27, 1980 YELLOW
5. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST F0� A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #80-04, 10 - 20
FRIDLEY CONVALESCEN7 HOME: Per Fridley City Code, Section
205.051, 3, F, to allow an entrace from Ly��c Lane because of
expansion of the nursing home, to add clerical, office and i
classroom-meeting space, located on Lot 1, 61ock 1, Maple
Maple Manor Addition, the same being 7590 Lyric Lane N.E.,
Fridley, Minnesota.
Note: You may have to amend agenda so this item is heard
at 7:30 P.M.
6. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONING SEPARATE
7. OTHER BUSINESS:
ADJOURNMENT:
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CITY OP FRIDLL�Y
PLANNING CONPiISSION MEETING, MAY 21, 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Acting Chairperson Langenfeld called the May 21, 1980, Planning Commission
meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL CALL;
Members Present: Mr, Harris (arr. 7:39 p.m.), Mr. Treuenfels, Mr. Oquist,
Ms, Gabel (for Ms. Schnabel), Mr. Langenfeld, Mr. Wharton
Members Absent: Ms, Hughes
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Isabelle & Duane Motzko, 290 Ely St. N.E.
Ken Brustad, 272 Ely St, N.E.
APPROVAL OF MAY 7, 1980, PLANNING CO2�ffSSION NIINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to approve the May 7, 1980,
Planning Co�ission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motian carried unanimously.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP ��8Q-03, DUANE MOTZKO:
Per Section 205.051, 2, A, of the Fridley City Code, to allow the
construction of a second accessory building, a 22 ft: by 22 ft, detached
garage for the storage of a boat and car, located on lots 45 and 46,
Block 11, Spring Brook Park Addition, the same being 290 E1y St. N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenield, to open the public hearing
on SP ,'k80-03 by Duane Motzko. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris
declared Che public hearing open at 7:40 p,m.
Mr. Boardman stated this is a 60 ft, lot, The present building is a house
with an attached garage. The proposal is for the construction of a detached
garage in the rear yard for storage. Because of the situation and because
the Zoning Code requires a special use permit for a second accessory building�
in excess of 240 sq. ft., Mr. Motzko is proposing a special use permit.
Mr. Motzko stated the existing attached garage will remain a garage. He is
in need of another garage just for storage of a car and boat. He intends to
cut a garage door in the back of the existing garage, then build a 10 foot
patio Uetween the two garages, so t-here would be about 14 feet beCween the two
garages.
Mr. Motzko stated that if he had the o.k, from the City that the alley would
remain open, he would put the garage back farther and have access through the
alley, but he was not assured that the a11ey would remain accessible Ln the
future.
PLANDTING COMNfI5SI0N MEETING, MAY 21, 1980 PAGE 2
Mr. Harris stated that Mr. Motzko may have received some misinformation about
alleys.
Mr. Boardman stated that anytime there is access off an alley, the alley should
not be closed, and Mr. Motzko would have legal recourse if �n alley he was
using was closed. It was a question of what would work better for Mr.Motzko,
knowing that the alley may or may not ever be improved. Mr. Boardman stated
that the City will not plow alleys unless they are paved alleys. If there
are not enough people on a block to request the paving of an a�ley, the City
will not maintain an a11ey right-of-way. If Mr. Motzko wanted to have access
to his garage from the alley, he has the legal right to do so and has the
legal right to maintain that alley right-of-way. IE it is easier for Mr. Motzko
to maintain access from his existing garage, Mr. Boardman stated that would
probably be the best way to go.
Mr. Motzko stated he would like access through his existing garage..
Mr. Harr�s asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to speak
regarding this item,
Mr. Ken Brustad, 272 Ely St. N,E.,stated he lives one block east of Mr. Motzko.
His main concern was whether Mr. Motzko would be painting the garage as he
did not want an eyesore in the neighborhood,
Mr. Motzko stated the new garage would be painted to match the house and
attached garage. He stated the garage would be built by Su�sell. He also
stated that if he had a lot of neighborhood objectians, he would be willi.ng
to put up a redwood fence that would run along the side of the new garage up
to the existing garage. The garage will face the same direction as the
existing garage. .
Mr. Langenfeld stated there did not seem to be much opposition, and there was
a sizeable mailing list.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to close the public
hearing on SP �k80-03 by Duane Motzko. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the public hearing closed at 7:58 p.m.
Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist to recommend to
�al of a request for a Special Use Permit, SP �k80-03. bv
City Code, to allow the constru
a secona accessory buildin�, a 22 ft
a boat and car, located on lots 45 and 46 Block 11 Spring Brook
on, the same being_290 Ely St. N.E., with no stipulations.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he felt this request was in accordance with the
Zoning Code and special use requirements, and Mr. Motzko is going to make
this structure campatible with the existing area. Also, the special use permit
does have the element of control.
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PLANNiNG COI�4fISSION MEETING MAY 21 1980 PAGE 3
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING A7iE, CHAIRMe1N HARRIS AECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated Special Use Permit SP 9k80-03 would go.Co City Council on
June 2. "
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to suspend the rules and
adopt "Renewal of Special Use Permit SP 4k74-16 as Item 2 on the agenda. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried
unanimously. '
2. RENEWAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMLT SP �k74-16 for Reynold Swanson to operate a
mobile home sales 1ot, located on the West 375 feet of Lot 3, A.S. #89,
the same being 7151 Highway ��65 N.E,:
MY. Harris asked if this was a renewal of a special use permit or a reviewal
of a special use permit?
Mr. Boardman stated that when City Council granted this special use permit,
they granted it for a period of five years, but nothing was said a6out whethet
it was to be renewed or reviewed.
ASr. Harris stated he discussed this Monday night at the City Council meeting
with Virgil Herrick, CiYy Attorney. It was Mr. Aerrick's opinion that if this
is a review, the Planning Commission can handle it as an agenda item, but if
it 3s a renewal, if the existing permit expires, there is some question of
whether it- has to go to public hearing because it is like a new special use
permit.
Mr. Oquist sCated that on page 2 of a letter dated Dec, 31, 1974, to
Reynold E. Swanson from the City of Fridley, it stated that "this Special
Use Permit be issued for a maximum of five years or to run concurrently with
the lease, whichever is less," He felt that meant Chis special use permiC is
a renewal.
Mr. Boardman stated the Planning Commission had talked before about what Chey .
wanted to do on these kinds of things. He thought the Planning Commission
had decided to stop looking at renewals of things and start just having
reviews of special use permits. The way this request is laid out is not very
clear at all.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that in Mr. Swanson's letter dated April 21, 1980, to
the City Council, he was requesting a renewal of the special use permit.
Mr. Boardman stated the way they have set up the policy or process is that
a renewal--any permit that was going to be renewed--would not have to go
through the public hearing process, but would follow the normal process of
being reviewed by the Planning Cocimiission and City Council, because, primarily,
the Planning Coi�ission and City Council would be looking to see if the
operation was in compliance with the requirements of the special use permit.
He stated he would like some clarification on how the Planning Commission
wanted to handle this.
PLANNING CONAfISSION MEETING MAY 21 298� PAGE 4
Mr. Oquist stated that assuming this operation is in compliance with the
special use requirem�nts, they could not deny the special use permit under a
reviewal process. But, assuming the City did not want trailer sales anymore,
if it was a renewal, they could then deny that renewal of the special use
permit and eliminate that business. +
Ms. Gabel stated that iE there were people who had any complaints against
this operation, the City would never laiow about those complaints with just a
reviewal process and no public hearing.
Mr. Boardman stated that once a special use permit is granted, there are some
real problems in Iegally denying a specia2 use permit with either a renewal
or reviewal, because special use permits are granted to the land and go with
the land regardless of the operation.
Mr. Harris referred to the second paragraph in the Dec, 31, 1974, letter from
the City oF Fridley to Mr. Swanson: "A Special Use Permit to operate a mobile
home sales lot is given only to Reynold E. Swanson as an individual and he
will be the operator of the business. If the business changes hands or he no
longer is the majority owner and operator of the business, the permit will
be null and void, and would have to be reviewed by the City Council before
transfer." Mr. Harr.is stated that statement was legally unsound.
Mr. Boardman stated this trailer sales operation is a very clean operation.
They have followed all the special use stipulations, and he really did not
see any reason why they shoulda`t go ahead and process this�special use permit.
The City has never had any canplaints about the operation.
Mr. Langenfeld stated it was his concern that the special use permit be
rewrit-ten so that the name was off the special use permit and the special use
permit went only with the property.
Mr. Aarris stated he had the feeling they should have Mr. Swanson go through
the public hearing,process again and request City Council to waive the fee.
The way the special use permit is written, it looks like the permit has expired.
Mr. Oquist stated the special use permit apparently expired on Dec. 31, 1479,
so Mr. Swanson was operating illegally with no special use permit at this
time. Therefore, Mr. Swanson should be asked to request a new special use
permit.
ld. seconded bv Mr. Oauist
16, by Keynold Swanson to operate a mobile home sales lot, located on
t 375 feet of Lot 3. A.S. 4�89. the same beine 7151 Hiehwav -0�65 N.E..
be continued until such a time that the proper notices and procedures required
for a special use permit are issued, with the stipulation that the City Council
waive the fee and that a public hearing be conducted.
Mr. Aarris stated that bfr. Boardman should talk to Mr. Herrick about just
having to notify the people within 200 it. of the mobile home sales lot,
rather than having to publish notices in Che newspaper.
PLANNZNG COMI�tISSiON MEET7NG MAY 21 1980 PAGE 5
Mr. Boardman stated that when this comes back to the Planning Commission, they
should try to clean up the language on special use permits and decide how they
want to handle special use permit reviews.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECI,ARED,THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
3. RECEIVE PUBLIC AEARING NOTIC� FROM CITY OF SPRING LAKE PARK: Rezoning
and Special Use Permit to be used for the construction of a 60-unit
apartment complex for the elderly, generally located in the vicinity of
Terrace and Osborne Roads. Meeting will be held May 27, 1980, at
7:30 p.m.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the public
hearing notice from Spring Lake Park.
Mr. Harris stated that what bothered him aUout Spring Lake Park's projects
was the drainage. Would this project substantially increase the flow into
Fridley's storm sewer system? He thought it probably would. He stated that
one advantage with this project is that Spring Lake Park will need Metropolitan
Council's concurrence, because of funding. He felt he or Mr. Boardman should
attend the public hearing on May 27 and see how Spring Lake Park intends to
handle the quality and quancity of water. After they see what Spring Lake
Park's plans are, if there is a problem, they can write a letter to Metro-
politan CoimciL
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iSPON A VOICE VpTE, ALL �OTING AYE, CHGIRMAN IIARRIS DECLAI�D TH� MOTION
CARRIED UNAIQIMOUSLY,
4. RECEIVE MAY 1, 1980, IlUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Treuenfels, seconded by Mr, Langenfeld, to receive the
May 1, 1980, Human Resources Commission minutes.
MY. Boardman stated [hat Che Human Itesources Commission had made a motion on
page 3 reco�ending to CiCy Council, through Planning Commission, that the
Human Resources Commission does not see a demand for the No-Fault Grievance
Procedure.
Mr. Harris stated the Planning Co�nission could discuss whether they agreed
with the findings of the Human Resources Commission. If Chey do agree, ttxey
could concUr with that motion.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that, as a member of the Planning Co�ission, he did
not really concur with the views expressed by the Human Resources Commission.
He felt it would be worthwhile for the.Co�ission to at least be attentive
to the needs oi the people and attentive to the expressions oi those needs.
Maybe the Human Resources Co�ission could not really do.what was suggested
in the No-Fau1t Grievance Procedure, but he felt it would have been better if
the Fridley Human Resour.ces Commission had followed the example of Coon Rapids
PLANNING CONA9ISSION MEETING MAY 21 1980 PAGE 6
and Columbia Heights and gone ahead with at least listening to complaints
at this level. Then, if need be, passing those complaints on to the Department
of Human Rights,
Mr. Trauenfels stated he would be happy if the Planning Co�nission would
concur with the Human Resources Commission's motion as made, but recammend
that if the circumstances should change in the future, the Human Resources
Conmiission look at this procedute again in a year or two years from now.
Mr. Treuenfels, secon
concurs with the mot
the Human
ttee at t
r
the Human Resources Commission '
t see the demand for a Qrievance
with the recommendation that if circumstances appear to have altered,the
Human Resources Coumiission take another look at this entire area sometime
in the future.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNAN2MOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE MAY 8 1980 HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MLNUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to receive the May 8, 1980,
Housing & Redevelopment Authority minutes. Upon a voice vot�e, all voting
aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
6. RECEIVE MAY 13, 1980, APPEALS CO1NHff SSION MCNUTES:
Ms. Gabel stated that these minutes were a litl•le incomplete as no discussion
was included on the variance request. She stated that when these minutes go
to City Council, she would like a statement included in the minutes that a
brief discussion was held on that item.
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the May 13, 1980,
Appeals Covmiission minutes, but that the minutes be amended to include a
statement that a brief discussion was held on the variance request. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried
unanimously.
Chairman Harris declared a ten-minute break at 9:15 p.m.
7. CONTINUED: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZON.NiG;
Mr. Boardman stated they would like to set the Zoning Code up for public
hearing before the City Council on July 1. They would like to have it adopted
and �n operation in August. He stated that if the Planning Commission does
not think they can finish the Zoning Code at their regular meetings, they
should consider having special meetings.
Mr. Harris stated they should see how far they get on the Zoning Code at this
meeting and then decide whether to have a special meeting,
PLANtIING CONALCSSION MEETING MAY 21 1980 PAGE 7
205.10 R-4 DISTRICT R�GULATIONS
Page 46
205.104 Parking Requirements � � '
��2-A. "construction" should be changed to "constxucted"
205.105 Performance Standards
Mr. Boardman recoumiended that the Planning Co�ission approve the Performance
Standards with the same changes as made in R-3. He would then make those
changes as requested by the Planning Co�ission under R-3.
The Planning Commission concurred with Mr. Boardman's reco�endation.
Page 48
�5-A. Change to -"The minimum landscaped area for the mobile home park
shall be 35 peYCent of the total site."
Mr, Wharton stated there was nothing requiring storm shelters or tornado
shelters for mobile home parks.
Mr. Boardman stated they have never required a mobile home park to build a
solid structure. With only two mobile home parks in Fridley; he did not think
they could require the parks to Uui1d a shelter at this point.
Mr, Harris stated there are now some state requirements about tie-downs in
mobile home parks, and he thought there was also something aUout a permanent
shelter-type building.
Page 49
205.11 TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT
Mr. Boardman stated this section was moved from the end of the Zoning Code to
this location, primarily because there was no special district that was set up
as a townhouse district and the townhouse district fails into any of the
R districts.
205.111 Procedure for Townhouse Development Approval
�2, "Section 205.192" should be changed Co "Section 205.20"
C-2. Delete "morals" in the 7th line.
Mr, Boardmin referred to 205.111, Item 2: "In addition to the procedure as
outlined in this ordinance, there shall be provided a general plan of develop-
ment as required under Section 205.20 of Chis code, except...." He stated
PLANNING COt-AfLSSION MEETING, MAY 21, 1980 PAGE 8
that 205.20 is the Planned Unit Development District. Does the Planning
Commission want to go through the planned unit development process for town-
house development? It is a lengthy process and an expensive process. What
process did they want to go through for townhouse development and also planned
unit development? +
Mr. Harris stated they could say something like; "A22 townhouse development
in R-1, R-2, and R-3 zones shall have a special use permit."
Mr. Boardman suggested that the statement read: "In addition to the procedure
as outlined in this ordinance, there sha11 be provided a general plan of
development as required under the special use permit process."
The Planning Commission concurred with that suggestion.
Mr. Oquist asked if they should make a requirement for a townhouse association.
Mr. Harris stated that could be a stipulation in the special use permit.
C-3. Change to -"When Townhouse Development is granted in an R-1 District,
the development shall consist of owner occupied dwelling
units,"
Page 50
205.12 P DISTRICT REGULATIONS i
205.121 Uses Permitted
Mr. Harris stated that under Item 1, Principle Uses, when you start talking
about airports, it is conceivable that at some future time, there could be
a landing pad for helicopters. He would almost lilce to see some of these
uses with a special use permt.t, because there should be a public hearing on
something like that. If publ3c lands are going to be used for some of these
things, even athletic fields, he thought the surrounding neighbors should
have the legitimate right to know and voice their opinions of what the City
intends to develop in an area. If that had been done before, the City
wouldn't have the problem they have at Commons Park right now, because that
area really impacts the neighborhood.
Mr. Harris stated that Later in the Zoning Code, they should talk about the
possibility of landing strips in the C and M Districts, which has never been
thought about before. There is the possibility of Onan or Medtronic �aanting
a heli.copter pad, or Unity Hospital needing a helicopter pad for transporting
accident patients. Rather than saying, "airports", they should probably say
"aircraft facilities".
Mr. Boardman suggested L'hat only emergency helicopter landing pads for
hospitals be allowed with a special use permit in R-1, R-2, and R-3. He did
not think they should a11ow helicopter pads for industYy.
PLANNING CdMPff5SI0N MEETING MAY 21 1980 PAGE 9
The Planning Coum�ission members concurred wiCh Mr. Boardman's suggestion.
Mr. Harris stated that maybe a11 of Item �61-B ("Public parks, playgrounds,
athletic fields, golf courses, airports, parking area") should be with a
special use permit. The reason for that is that people who abut the proposed
project am a are then notified of what is taking place, because it will impact
their property.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he was concerned about the special use permit,
because it is reaching the point where special use permits are just a formality
and are never denied. '
Mr. Boardman stated that maybe they could set up a process where a11 puhlic
facilities must require publication to people within 200 feet of a proposed
project area, Maybe it could be just a public hearing process for citizen
input and noC be involved in any special use permit process. He asked what
types of public improvements would they want to hold public hearings for?
He thought it should only be when new parks are purchased and not capital
costs and noC capital improvements.
Mr. Harris sCated the Planning Couqnission.should think about this question and
bring back any suggestions and concerns at the next meeting.
MOTION by Nlr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. h�arton, to continue discussion on
Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motion carri.ed unanimously.
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Mr. Harris stated that since the Planning Commission had a light agenda for
the 7une 4 meeting, they should start the meeting at 7:00 p,m, in order to
accomplish as much as possible on the Zoning Code,
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all votiug aye, Chairman Harris declared the May 21, 1980,
Planning Co�ission meeting adjourned at 10:41 p.m,
Respectfully submitted,
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Recording �yecretary
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COrYMUNITY DEVEI;OPMENT CONAffSSION
MEETING
MAY 13, 1980
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Oquist called the May 13, 1980, Couanunity Development Commission
meeting to order at 7:39 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Members Present: LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig, Kenneth Vos, A1 Gabel
Members Absent: Sharon Gustafson
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
John Flora, Public Works Director
APPROVAL OF APRIL 8 1980, COMM[JNITY DEVrLOPMENT COMMiSSION MINUTES:
MOTIOI3 by Mr. Gabel, seconded by Ms. Modig, to approve the May 13, 198�,
Co�unity Development Cou�ission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote,
all voting a,ye, Chairperson Oquist declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. CONLIN[JED: ANOKA COUNTY AIRPORT TASK FORCE:
Mr. Deblon stated that State Representative Paul McCarron tacked on a rider
at the State Legislature which has stopped any further study on the Anoka
Councy Airport at this time: He read this to the Commission:
"Section 154. Minnesota Statutes 1978, Section 473,641, is amended
by adding a subdivision to read;
Subdivision 4. Notwithstanding any other law, the metropolitan
airports commission shall not use revenue from any source as
described by section 473.608, for coustruction of air facilities
to expand or upgrade the use of an existing metropolitan airporY
fr� minor use Co intermediate use status as defined by the
metropolitan development guide, aviation chapter, adopted pursuant
to section 473.145."
Mr. Deblon stated that all meet;ngs of the Anoka County-Blaine Advisory Task
Force are also suspended until fur.ther notice.
2, RECEIVE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENC ON LOCKE PARK:
MOTIGN by Pir. Gabel, seconded by Dr. Vos, to receive the Soint Powers Agreement
for Locke Park.
COMMpNITY DEVELOPMENT COMhffS5I0N MEETING, MAY 7.3, 1480 __ __ PAGE 2
Mr. Oquist stated this had been discussed at the Apzil 23 and May 7 Planning
Co�ission meetings, At the May 7th meeting (page 6 of the minutes), a
motion was made to recommend thar City Ccuncil pursue the 3oint Powers Agree-
ment as written caith amendments made by the Parks & Recreation Covanission at
their April 16th meeting. At the April 23rd Planning Coicmiis�ion meeting,
the Planning Conm3ssion had made a motion that the Joint Powers Agreement be
placed on the Corranunity Development Con¢nission's agenda for their discussion.
Mr. Oquist stated that, if signed as is, the Joint Powers Agreement would
pass the maintenance of Locke Park on to Anoka County, but it would remain a
City of Fridley park, and the City would still have to approve any improvements ----�-
proposed by the County. After a year, the City would review to see ii- the park
is being maintained t.he way it should be, and the City or the County can
terminace the Joint Powers Agreement upon 365 days wrieten notice.
Mr. Oquist stated that the Soint Powers Agreement could conceivably save the
City of FridZey $50,000 in maintenance costs per year, money that could then
be used for the rest of the City's parks.
Mr. Oquist stated that M.s, $arbara Hughes, Chairperson of the Parks & Recreation
Co�ission, has some reservations about the Joint Powexs Agreement and is
afraid the City will lose control of the pa3-k. He stated he could understand
her concern about losing control of the Fark, but he really thought the City
should give the Joint Powers Agreemenl' a try. •
Mx. Oquist stated that tlte County wants to put a regional trail system through
Locke Park, and in order to do that, the County has to have some l:ind of agree-
ment with the City to run that trail system through Locke Park.
Mr. Oquist stated that the Commission does not have to take any action on the
Joint Powers Agreement unless they have some real strong objections. If they
do have any objections, Y.hese should be passed on directly to the City Council
as the Gity Council will be 3iscussing ttie Joint Pocaers Agreement at their
May 19th meeting.
Mr. Gabel stated he had no reason to object to the Joint Powers Agreement and
felt the City should give it a try for a year.
Dr. Vos stated that he also had no objections to the Soittt Powers Agreement.
It looked like the Parks & Recreation Co�ission had done a lot of �.ork on it.
UPON A VOTCE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHATRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
TO RECEIVE 11IE JOINT POWEKS AGREEDIGNT CAdRIED UNAD7:CMOUSLY:
3. OTIIER BUSINESS•
A. Noise Control Grant
Mr. Deblon stated that on Januar7• 10, 1980, the City received a
letter from the League of Minnesota Cities stating that Pridley
has been targeted as receiving technical assistance on noise
enforcement. Re stated that a few years ago, the Environmental
Quality Comnission had pursued a noise ardinance, but it didn`t get
anywhere at that time.
1980 PAGE 3
Mr. Deblon stated the test case on this$ophisticated equipment.
proven enforceaUle, and they have very
He stated he, Mr. Boardman, and Tim Turnbull and Jim Hill of the
Fridley Police Department met wit-h Kathleen Callahan, Noise Project
Director, to discuss all facets of the program and+what the League
of Minnesota Cities had to offer.
Mr. Deblon stated he thought this was a positive approach to
neighborhood planning> it is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan,
but the community is going to have Co support it if they want it.
This pxogram would mainly be aimed at motor vehicle and lot line
noise violations of the State Noise Standar.ds�ut itsistup toelocale
state standards right now protecting people,
government to enforce those standards. He felt it would be to the
oftBloomingtonge Bloomington has�been veryasuccessfulrwithttheirty
noise ordinance.
Mr. Deblon stated that Columbia Heights is also looking into this
program so there is a large potential of the two cYQiYa� orking
together. Brooklyn Park is also considering the p 8
the new City Public
(At this time, Mr. Deblon introduced John Flora,
Works Director, to the Co�ission members.)
Mr. Deblon stated the Police Department thought this might be a very
viable program and it would facilitate their enforcement.
Mr. Deblon stated thisCommission bHe sta�ed he wouldtlikelto havehe
Envirorunental Qaality
Ms. Callahan come to the Planning Coumiission and/or the City Counci
r� discuss this program with them.
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��ission in 1977.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED TIiE
MOTION C ARRIED UNANINIOUSLY .
g, U date on NPC-S Air ort Noise Installation Permit:
Mr. Deblon stated that the City Council went officially on record
as supporting the concept of NPC-5 with enforcement provisions and
revocation of permiteo AublicPhearingaandesent NPCaStbackdto staff
voted against going P
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for more revision and [o make it legally sound. Mr. Deblon stated
he was a little disappointed in ti�at decision. At the next meeting,
he stated he would be willing to give testimony to what khe City of
Fridley and the commissions have done in their review of the NPC-5. .
Ms. Modig stated that at the Apri2 9, 1980, Planafdg Coum�fssion
meeting, the Planaing Courtnission made a motion to recommend that the
"City Council suppart the MPCA in the. adoption of a regulation such
as NEC-S, Draft iI; and im reviewing NPC-5, Draft II, would recommend
that enforcement provisions and criteria for permit revocation be
included in the regulation." She stated that at the City Council
meeting, Mx. John Flora had stated that the Planning Commission had
r.eviewed the NPC=S permit calling for control of noise pollution at
airports and supported this regulation, and that the Planning Coum�ission
further recommended that enforcement provisions and criteria for permit
revocation be included in the regulation.
Ms. Modig stated she did not"feel this reflected what the Planning
Commission had said at their meeting. In her opinion, what the Planning
Commission had said was that they would support the NPC-5, Draft II,
with those enforcement provisions and criteria for permit revocation
attached to it, nQt supporting the NPGS as ft was and then hoping the
MPCA would tack on the enforcement provisions and criteria for permit
revocation.
Mr. F1ora sEated that Ms. Modig was right. The letter from the City
went out stating that the City Council supported the regulation and
suggested that the MPCA consider adding a revocation clause to it.
Mr. Flora stated'that if this was different than what was intended by
the Planning Commission, then he would suggest thai in the future, the
Planning Coumiission write up a sample letter of transmittal for the
City Council's signature and approval to make sure there is no misunder-
standing. A11 staff can do is take these things from the minutes, so
it would he very helpful if the Planning Commission prepared those
kinds of documents and attached them to the minutes. Staff could then
___ pass the document on and the meaning would not be garbled in the process.
Mr. Oquist- stated he did not know if the Planning Commission wanted
ta get into the letter writing process, but they could make sure
their motions ware written clear and reflected Ehe right meaning.
There might be some caSes where they might want to draft a letter.
He sEated he would discuss this with the Planning Co�ission when
they review the Community Development Co�ission minutes.
ADJOl7RNMENT :
MOTION by Ms, Modig, seconded by Mr. Gabel, to adjourn the meeting. .Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Oquist declared the May 13, 1980,
Co�unity Development Cou¢nission meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m,
Respectfully submitted,
L e S�-�K/��
Recording Secretary
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�+hLL T0 ORDER:
�h�irperson Hughes called the May 14, 1980, Parks & Recreation Gonmission
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{��mbe�� .Present: Barbara;Hughes, Jan Seeger, Dick Young, Dan Allen
Idemhers Absent; D�ve Kondrick
`` 1lthttrs Present: �harkes Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director. :
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Larry_Hartman, 5860 -Sth St. N:E.
liRPAOVAT. -0F APRIL i6 1980 . PARKS & RECR�x1Ti0N COMMISSION MINUTESc
�3•SQTSQN by Ms, Seeger, seconded by Mr.,Allen, tq,approve the April 16, 1980,
�arks &$ecreation Commission minutes as written: Upon a voice vote, all
uoting aye, Chairperson Hughes declared the 7notion carxied unanimously. "
:. APPRQVAL OF AGENDA:
The foilowing items were added to the agenda: `
TTip to Rochester, Mn., Recreationaj. Facility = Item J under "Director's Report"
" Mobile Puppet_Wagon,- Item K undea "Director's Report"
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.4.' Receive Thank Yon LetteYs
Ar. Boudreau sta�ed it would be in ord'ez for the Commission to receive
the Thank You letter that was addressed to;Mayor,Nee dated May 6, '1980,
fxom Ada Alden, Pxog�am Director, Parent Education Preschool Program,
regarding a!'Field 'Trip'CO Springbrook Nature Center".
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Alien,- to receive the Thank You letter
dated May 6, 1980, from Ada Alden. Upon,a'vaice vote, all votzng.aye,
Chairparsen Hughes declared the motion caxr3e'd unanimously.
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B, Receive Softball EligiliiliCV Veritication r.oij.cy
Dr, Boudreau-stat.:d the Commission members ixad seceived a copy,of this;
-"policy that theg tioped Co i#istitute in the City of Eridiey Parks:&
Recreation Department. He'stated there have been_problems thtoughout .
the metro area and,the state with the eligibility rule set down by the
Miunesota Recreation & PaYk Association for Che various sports..In
Eridlep, they have the moat problems with'softball. He statefl they do
make an honest attem�t to verify that the [ilayers on the teamg in Fridley
either Tive or work 1.n the;City of Fridley: Right now they haye been
' checking the driver'S license addresses against the listings in the phone
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books. They have been alerted that many people get up icate car s rom
the State and can have up Co ten duplicates, giving any address they
desire. '
Dr. $oudreau stated that, because o£ that information, they would like
to instiCute this !'EYigibility Verification Policy'! thab would not only
sequire a driver's license; but if 3t is,marked "duplicate", would require
additional informatipn such as,a personaZ checkbook, a W-2 form (from the
cur�exzt year), or a progerty tax statement {from the current year) to
prove the person resides aC;that address;, ,
Dr. Boucireau stated°this i3 a formal written policy, and they wou2d like
to publish it in the saftball managers' notebovk next year so that every-
one is aware that tt�ese things will be ci�ecked,
Ms. Aughes asked if persennel managers of companias would provide letters
of people employed in their compaay. -
Dr. Boudreau stated these letters are required befcre a team is even
accepted into the Lea�ue. 'Personnel managers must pravide a roster and
sign their name that Chese-people have been emFloyed in their ecmpany
since March T of this'year. They have received those letters in the pzsC.
MOTIOI� by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Young, to adopt the Fridley Softball
"EligibiliCp Veriiication Policy". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Hughes declare�' the motion carried una�imously.
C. Su�er Bus £or Gongre ap, te pining
Dr. Boudreau stated that Ehe Co�nis�ion a�embers had received a oogy of
a lecter from Connie NicMillion recotnmending a c.hange in the summer bus
sch�dule from P4onday, WednAsday, ard Friday to:Wednesday, Thursday, and
Friday.
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded Uy Mr. Alie�, to cfiange the 1980 summer
bus traxisportation fiehedule for Senior Corigregate Dining to T+lednesday,
Thursday,. and Rridaj+. Upan a voice vote, all voting aye, Ghairperson I�ughes
declared the motion carried unanimouslyi
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Dr. Boudreau staLed Chis was for the Coo�i.ssi<m`s information and no
action was neceasa�y.,;<i1e has gotten a Yeqtt,est #rom a neighbor living
across fram Moore �ake'Beach tennis courts Ehat Yhe te[�tis court lights
be le#t on until a later hour. This man feiC it was a misuse of the
d lights when they were left on until 2:Q0-3:0Q a.m. Dr. Boudreau stated
they would try to leave the lights on until midnight, and they,have
gotten �10 calls one way or the other. They have also left the lights
on until midnight at the tennis courts at 4ioodcrest School and have not
received aay cails, At Benjamin-Briardmle, they have been leaving the
,'lights on until 11:00 p.m „ and he has not heard any negative reaction.
Ms. Seeger suggested that the hours of the tenais court lights be posted.
so that people knew what hours they could play.
Ms. Haghes stated that if they should start looking at increased lighting
titnes, they should look at the energy imp.act.
T; Sprin.gbrook Progress Report
Dr, BQUdreau stated that the caalls are now being poured. He felt the
contractor was attempting to be as careful as poss3ble and being very
naze€ul to sCay awag fram the trees as much as possible. Frogress is
coming along very well. He stated the progress is being monitored b.y
.74hn F1oxa, Public Works Director, to make sure it is meeting.codes and the
specs that were developed,
Ms, Seeger stated there are people who are interesGed and exci�ed about
the underground buiJ.ding, but are not familiar with how the building will
lonk. She thought it would be a good Ctu�e to provide some kind,of learning
exgerience for these people.
Dr. Boudreau stated that Mr. St. Clair has been taking pictures as
construction progresses, and once the building is completed, he will
be able to show the sequence of just how the building was constructed.
Ms. Hughes stated they should be calling the building an "earth sheltered"
building, rather ihan an "undergrouad° building to prevent some confusion
octi the part of the citizens.
Mr. Ybung suggested that they have the rridley Sun print a picture eacke
week of the nature center buildicag in progress as.a public relations-
kiad of thing to keep people informed of how the building is progressing.
Dr, Boudreau staCed he would call the Sun Newspapers to see if this
could-be done.
PARKS, & RECREATION COP4fISSICB�I MEETING, MAY 14�198Q , PAGE 4
F. Additional Infoz�mation - Locke Park _ _
Dr. Boudreau stated that the Commissiou requested information on how .
many calls were originated'by the police; by the parks persozxnek, and
by the citizens in two categories; "Liquor,narcc,tics and ordinance
violation" and !'Misc.'public/public assistance"
I,iquor, naxcotics Misc, public/
& ord�nance"violations ' public assistance *
1978 1979 i980 to date 197.8 1979 1980 to date
Police 21, 13 ' 2 4 3 0
Parks
persounel 5 1 1 8 9 _ 0
Citizans 0 1 0 0 0 0
* Most of the calls by Parks personnel is to help in closing the park
and helping to temove the cars at the 10;00 p.m. closing.
G. Alcoholic BevQrages Prohibited Signs Installed
Dr. Boudreau stated that for the Couanissi.on's information, §igns stating
tha,t "Alcoholic Beverages are Prohibited" have been installed on the
Mnore Lake Beach, Camutons Yark at Ball Diamonds ��2 and ��4, and at Locke
Park. This evening he had heard that one of the signs at Moore L'ake
Beach has been stolen} but the arrests and the tagging of the drinkgers
has iacreased since tkee signs were.installed.. The signs give the police
Che authority t� tag uio7.aters.
A. Volunteer Coaches Clii�ic
Dr. Boudreau,stated,the Coumiission me�bers received the information
material an khe vplunteer coaches cZinic that Pir'. Kirk handed out to
abDUt 35 people who attended. In reviewing the information and the clinic
�ritfi Mr. Kirk, they f�lt it'was worthwhile, although theg would have liked to
have moYe people involved.'
ki.^,. Hughes stated s�e stopned in aC this clinic because she wanted to
manitor what type o€ react:Con the coaches had knowing the Parks &
Recreation LeparCment's philosophy is garticipation and not �ompetitio.n.
In general, she thought the reaction was very goad, and that the clinic
was very worthwhile; Ther2 could h<ive been a Iittle more diccussion
time, questi�n Cime, and should havc beea more sharing, but she was sure
that would come as mare se�sions like-this, are held,
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Dr. Boudteau stated they have received a commnniCation Erom_District #14
deai�ng with the b$sebalY fields at the Jr. High School. The work has now
been aompleted, so:the fields are in pzeCCq,decent shape. He felt it
was up to the City;to ttoti£y the FYSA aud the Babe Ruth Association
that these fields will be usable for this,year; however in 1981, the one
field closest to the Jr. Iiigh will not be available for,baseball.
MOTIUN:by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Allan, to receive the co�unication
dated May 5, 19$O, from Brian Ingvals�, School District �k14, regarding
"Repair of Jr, High ball fields", Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Hugl�es declared the motion carried unanimously.
�, Trip to Rochester, Minnesota, Recreational Facititv
Ds. Boudreau s[ated that lI people went to Rochester to view the coum�unity
recreation center.' He was impressed with the simplicity of t}�e entire
lay-out of the facility. He thought many of the people who went came
away very impressed and very enthused that we in Rridley can certainly
work toward a fac3iity similar in nature.to the one in Rochester. He
thought it was a very wortUwhile trip. He stated that maybe Ms.. Seeger
and Mr. Al1en would like to comment on what they thought of the trip.
Mr-. Allen.staLed he thought it was a very worChwhile trip. Even though
it was a very nice facility, he felt having ice zinks next to an indoor
: swiu�ing pool was not compatible. He was impressed with the simplicity
of the facility. They had put their money into functional items, rather .
,' than.being real faney,. He stated it was well supervised and kept up very
well. He fe'lt tHey learned that if a.faeility is built in thG Fridley
area, more gymnasium space iS needed. -
` Ms. Seeger atated it was interesting and worthwhile. It was definitely
a clean, neat,•well-operated facility.
Dr. Boudseau stated� that an important aspect that was brought out was that
in bui,lding any of these facilities, the public should be well informed.
on what the cost is going to be and what the faeility is going to be,
that �he City should not go in with its eyes closed thinking the facility
is going to pay for itself, to realize it.is going to cost money to have
and operate the faciiity in Che counnunjty, and these ought to be known
faCts be�ore peop2e�evett get excited about it.
Dr. Boudreau stated he was enthused_to learn that the philosophy that
the Fridley Parks � Recreation Department operates by was very parallel
to the one they�heard expressed a� Rochester,_and that was they are here
to service the people of the co�unity, to try to make everything available
` at.the lowest possible price,, and to try,.to have it so everyone can use it
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K. Mobiie Puppet Wagon '
Dr. Boudreau'stated the 7aycees are consbructing a mobile puppet rragon
for use by the Gity. IC is hoped it might be completed,in time £or the
49`er Days parade. As he understood it, this puppet wagon would ehen be
dottaCed to the City *aith the proper advertisement for the Jaycees, It
was a gitt that wi1S'be coming to the;City, and the Commission members
should be awase of iL.
II, CIIAIRPERSON'S REPOkT
A. Drainage Plans on Ranchers Road
Ms. Hughes stated she-wanted to alert the Commission members that the ama
north of Bob's Produ�e'and west of Iiighway 47 is going to be developed.
The drainage plans for all'that area will be done in ponding areas, and
what they are l�oking:for ir. future devel�pments is a series of ponding
areas, all of wltich will be connecCed and all of which will run into
Spring Brook. ,
Ms. Hughes ctated sh� would keep tfie Coam�i3sion members inforn!ed,astfiings
happened on it. Sh� stated she was not haT,py w:th this kind of approach,
although it may be t�e on2g altentative. -
PSs. Seeger stated she thought this �=�as something the Environmental Quality
Commissiotiz should also look at.
III. NEW BUSINESS
A. ReconmFendaY.ions - Capital Outlay 1981
Ms. Hughes asked tahat'the timetable was �n the 19$1 Capital Outlay Budget.
Dr. Boudreau stated he will be presenting a review of 1979 and what L'hzy
are looking at for 1981 to'the City Council on June 23. This capital
outlay is a"wzsh list" of things they see as needs in the present system.
He reviewed xhe cap;.tal ouElay budget with the Couanissiun.'
ris. Hughes asked if'the Ccmnnission caembers had any additions they woel3
like ta see in the eapital outZay budget'. She seferred to the letter
from the City Band weqaest-ing a need for an outside stage facility.
She stated the Commi.ssion might want to add this under 4510 - Hnildingc
and Structures.
Ms. Seeger staCed she would like to see the Com.mission attempt to generate
interest in an outdoor stage facilir_y.
Ms. Hughes stated the Go�mnission memUers should reyiew the capital outlay
budget a�ain at the next u�eeting and make some specific recommett�iatiUns
L-o be passed or. to tiie Ciey Council.
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` MOTIQN by Ms. Seege�, secvnded by Mr. All�n,',Co give preliminary apgroval
to the Propoaed G"ag#xai 0utlay 1981 for Che'Natural Resource Division as
pfesented. Upon a�toice VbCe, all voting aye, 'Chairperson Hughes declared
the motion,carried xivanimously. ' �
Dr. Boudreau stated :Ghe "musts" in the Capital.0utlay for the Park
Division are as foFiows:
45UO - LAND
Special assessments $ 8,SQ0 '
Land purchase i0,000
4510 - BUILDZNGS AND STRUCTURES
City Garage payment 11,549
4530 - MACHINERY & AlTPO EqUiPMENT
Tractor Replacement 4k532 - 1970 LCG Ford 17,500
w( attaChments
Truck Replacement #564 - 1975 One �a� Dodge 8,200
Muger Replaeement 1,400
Broom Replacement, 2@ 4,200 8,400
CemenE Mixer Replacement �522, 1973 ' 700
IItility`Vehicle Replacement 6,800
Tractor BZades, 2@ 1,775 3,550
Replace obsolete radios 3,600
4540'- OTHER IMYRDVEMENTS
Picnic Cables, 10 @ 26Q , 2,600
Landscape/nursery materials 9,500
General feaee materials G,700
- Tennis court expansion
A. Logan 4,2Q0
B. Sylvan 4,200 ,
Surfaca matesial for jogging paths
A. Meadowlands 2,$00
B. Edgewater Gardens 2,200.
C. Ruth Circle 2;900
Concrete trash conCainers 4,400
Total - $ 117,599
Dr. Soudreau stated they also hoped the City Council would,approye
irrigation materials for one or two of the smaller park areas, and hoped
the City Council will consider very seriousiy some lighting for some
at,lditional tennis court areas, aiso some lighting replacements. '
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MOTION by Ms', Seeger, seconded hy Mr. Allen, to give preliminary approval
to $117,599 for the Proposed Capital Outlay 19�1 for the Park Division.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Hughes declared the motion
carried unanimously.
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B. Request - City Band Funding
MOTTON by Mr. Xoung, �ecoaded by Mr. A11en, to receive the letter dated
April 28, 1980, fram Meredith Schurr, Presiden[, Fridley City Band,
requesting City.funding in the amouiit of $2,000. Upon a voice,vote, all
, voting aye, ChairpeYSOn Hughes declared the vROtion carried unanimously.
Dr. Boudxeau stated they wi11 be meeting with Ms. Schurr. The City has
uo probiem with the City Band's request, and it will become part of tl�e
cnitural arts budget reqaest. •
Ms. Hughes stated she fully supported tfiis request. The Director is
probably paid too li,ttle a salary and has been at the same salary for
at least the last five years, and this is the first increase.
C. Request - Softball Eie1d Usage
Dr. B oudreau stated the Grace Evangelical Free Chureh is reGuesting the
_ designated reservation of �wo softball diamonds on Friday evenings at
Madsen Park. The uge of the diamonds is requeeted eo start Friday, May 2,
and end Friday, Aug. 8,with the use of t�e fields from 6:30 - 8:15 p.m.
Dr. Boudreau stated that last year, they were able tn accommQdate
GraCe Evangelic.al Eree Chnrch as it is right uext door to Madsen Park,
and Friday evening �.s not a high use time.
MOTION by Mr.. Young� seconded b, Ms. Seeger, tc� receive the leCter dated
Apri1 24, 1980,�from the GXace Evangelieal Fz'ee Church and t:o approve
their request for two sofE�a11 diamonds at Madsen Park an �riday evenings,
w2th the provision Ehxt the church vacate the diamonds for any make-up of
Ieague games.
ITPON A VQICE VOTE� SET:'GER, kLLF.N, AND YOUNG VO�:ING A�'E, HUGHES �TOTING :
NRY, CHAIRPERSON HUGH�.S DECLARED THli MOTTON CARRIED;
Dr. Bondreau stated the XMCA-EasY.side Branch has come in with two
differettt requests. They n�ed a softball field for their 4 team Co-Rec
League on Monday, Tuesday, Weduesday, or-Thursday evenings, They also
aieed two softball fieids �n Friday nights for their men's league from
May 9 to August 8.
Dr. Boudreau stated t�at regarding the first request, there axe no fields
available on Monday, Tuesclay, Wednesday, �ir Thuxsday evenings. These
f.ields are all scheduled for eiT.her qouCh softball, youth baseball, or
city-operated recreation softbalt. tte'recommepded Ehat request be denied.
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Dr. Boudresu st.st$d:th"at regarding the se¢qnd xequest, they have talked
in terms-of lekting tfie YMCA use the two fie2d,^, t5at are back-to-back in
the Ste'venso�t a�chool'area. These seem to be.the least used fields and '
would noE hinder either the operation of the yqssth'proy�rams and/or the
city programs.
AStYfION by Ms, Seeger, seconded by Mr. Young� to deny the request by the
YMGA-East Branch for use ot a softball £ieid for their 4 Team Co-Rec
, League on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday evenings, and that in
regard to fhe request for two softball fields:on Friday evenings, they
he allowed the opportunity to use the two fie�ds at Stevenson School on
a "first-come, first-serve basis".
UPDN A VOICE:VOTE, HUGF�S, SEEGER, AND YOUNG VOTSNG AYE, ALLEN VOTING
NAY, CHAIRPERSOAI IiIIGF1ES DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED:
D. Review of Neighborhood Park Development r
Ms. Hughes staCed she would like the Co�nission ta xeview the neighbor-
hood park development of each park on a timed hasis; so they will know
what is going into each park and have an understaudfng of the parks for
the budgets.
Dr. Boudreau stated he had information on every one of the park areas
with 3nput from the nEighborhood meetings held l'� years ago of what the
: residents saw as neetls for each park. He stated he could get that
information toge�her in about two weeks and would send it out to the
Commission members.
MOTTON by Mr. A11en, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to Continue the Review of
Neighboxhood Park Development until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aqe, Chairperson Hughes declared the motion carried unanimously
R: Tennis Court Need - Connie Metcalf
Ms. Hughes stated this letter from Connie Metcalf expressing a tennis
court need at the Sears Property was received at the last meeting. She
asked if there was any way the Commission could get at what the "real
need" would be for tennis courts in this areaY
Dr. Boudreau stated the City has 38 courts available for resident use,
countfng the school courts that are auaiiable. The MRPA stan8ard.is
one cour.t per 2,OOO;people, he stated he t�sght that Ms. Metcalf was
talking aboufi an indoor court.
Ms. Hughes stated that part of Ms., Metcalf's cancern was that as the
Go�i3ssion looked at the co�unity park complex, they look at whether or
not tennis courts`should be set up there as well. And, if they were going
to be talking about a big recreational building, they should also be
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looking at whether there should be covered courts. So, this 3s something
the Covm�ission shou2d recognfze when they look at neighborheod park
development plans and the.eo�unity park complex. Another thing the
Gommissioners could do to-a certain extent is monitor the use of neighbor-
hood park cousCS to see when the courts are used and xo what extent the-
courts are used.
Ms. Seeger stated that at'one time che Cou�ission was brnnbarded by
citizens requesting tennis courts. Because tennis courts are more popular.
at certain times of ttle day, she thaught,posting a sign of the times tlze
court lights are on wonld help alleviate that heavy use xime.
Ms. Seeger stated that the League uf Wa�en Voters has voted to do a study
on the recreation buiiding, studying the uses the facility might provide.
One of the things b�ought`up was indoor tennis courts, She stated she
thought this would be a very interesting study, and the Gommission could
utilize that-4nfarmation.
Ms. Hughes stated this item neeu n�t be conCinued, but could he part of
some of the discussfoai in the future. She stated she would contact
Ms. Metcalf and let her know oi- the Commission's discussion.
F. LnWCON - Preliminary Apnlication
Ms. Aughes stated s�.e had asked that- this be put an the agenda so the
Commission could see wha� the City has applied for with the community narh
complex. This could be combined wiCh their discussion on the community
park eomplex later i�n the agenda.
G. Softball Tousnament Re uq ests
Mr. Larry Hartman stated their softball team would like pereiicsiau to
hold a softball, touknam2nttiat Commons Field on Aug. 9-10 to raise funds
' to attend an out-ofcstate`tournamenc at'the end of August. He stated trhey
are sponsored Uy Bob's Produce and reaLize they are setting a precedent
since tiiey do not hsve an �sYgauization that is sponsoring them,_such as
the FYSA. He stated all bu.t one memUer of their team has gone through
the FYSA. They stij.l coach for the FYSA 3n the football and basketball
programs and, thr.ough vari�us activifies, they,feel they have contributed
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Dr. Boudreau �tated this would be setti.ng a precedenC. In the past
there have traditionally baen three tournaments until a request came
through €rom the Fridley '�iger Hockey Booster C1ub to hold a fourth
t wrnament in Fri.dlpy. So,,there are now four tournaments,in Fr2dley:
the Fridley Tiger Hpckey Booster Club, the Jaycees, the Firemen's Relief
Association Tournament, and Fridley Covenant Church.
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kr.. Boudreau stated that this year the Canaui;ssion has received requesta
2nd.ha$ approved requests for the Frirlley Ccvenant Church tournament and
the Tiger Hocke}r Sooster Club toumament, He uuderstood that the Jayceea
is.not-interested in hosting a state tournament this year, and the Fireman's
xelief Associatiom is not interested in.holding a tourdament this year.
So, right now there are two tournaments scheduled for Fridley. The
precedent the Coum�ission should be aware of is that this is an individual
softba2l team and, to his knowledge, an individual softball team has
no't been one of the recognized group� to have a tournament in Fridley.
He stated,he knew this softball team would operete a tournament without
any problems, would do an outstanding job in organization, and would do
an outstanding joh in following through witl� all the details.
Dr, Boudreau stat�d he and Mr.Kirk have discnssed this and their recommenda-
tion is,that if the Commission is. willing to set a precedent where
Cournaments are appzoved for individual softball teams, they would go
� along with-that`precedent and felt this certainly is a worthy group to
operate the first tournament by an individual'softhall teas. They would
have to follow the same process as the other organizations..
Dr. Boudreau stated that he thought if the Coum�ission did decide to set
this precedent, some kind of compensation for the use of those fields
should be made to the city progr�m,by means 'of a dollar figure, some type
of donation to the City such as e5�uipwent, or something that would help
the.city programs in the future." ,
Mr. Young stated he has bean directly responsible for organizing four
tournaments in the past. He did not imow if the City was aware of the
cost of putting on a tournament. One of the reasons the Jaycees i"s not
hosting the stste tournament this year is because of cost. Organizations
also have to look at liability insurance because of the selling of liquor.
Ais concern was that, is an individual softball team going to be able to
afford the kinds of insurance to protect themselves, but more importantly,
to protect the Parks Department of the City of FridleyT
Dr. Boudreau stated that is one of the requirements the team would have
� to demonstrate before they would be allowed to have that tournament.
kTr: Young suggested that they more:or less gb with the guideline of
having only four tournaments a year. If [he"four organizations that have
hosted the tournaments in the past could 2et the City know by mid-February
whether or not they were going to have a tour'nament that year, at that
t3me, it could be made.known to other organj,zationsand other teams and
maybe go on a lotYe�y basis.
Ms�. Seeger stated she thought Mr. �'oung's paint was very good. Maybe
four tournaments should be set as a limi[, and a lottery wouldn't be a
bad idea, because it would not be discriminatory.
Ms. Hughes stated her coricern was setting the precedent. It was her
impression that the City Council's phil�sophy on these tournaments was
:�-' that it was for so�e community purpose or charitabie purpose or something
of that nature.
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Ms. Seeger stated if theq are goin�, to set a preeedent, they should set
up some specific guidelines. She h1s some pro6Zems with private groups
raising money� becarase the City has had 3ome problems in the past with
private groups wantin� to use park facilities to raise money.
VOICE
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NAY, CHAIRP�RSdN HU�S DECI,AP,ED TkIE MOTION ENUED IN A TIE,
Ms. Hughes asked Dr� Boudreau eo write this up in a memo and try to get
it on the City Couneil ageRda for N;onday, kfay 19.
Ms. Hughes stated she was z�ot opposed to this tournament, except that it
would set a precedent and'that the benefit accrues to a small grou� of
people.
Ms; Seeger stated Ehc agreed with tlie same reasons as Ms. Hvghes. She
stated she appxeciated wha� the members of the group have contributed to
the youth organizations azid would l�.ke to see t:hem haue this tournament,
but tr.e name "$ob's Produce" somewha.t indicates that it is a pxivate group
trying to fo.rward thernselves, and she was afraid of the precedent it would
set.
Mr, Yoang ststed that one of the reasons he was in favor of the motion
was because of the group`s`involvement iu Fridley youth sports organiza-
tins. He, Ceo, had soeie crncern, a�out setting a precedent.
Ms. Hughes stated that Dr. Boudreau skoutd inciude in the mem� a statec�en�
that the Bob's Produce tea�n is probably the ideal team to test this kind
of Cournament.
Mr. Alien stated that if the Parks & Recreation staf£, in their judgement,
felt this was a groi;g of inlividual� who are urEique in their contr.ibuticr,s,
he t4ought that was'imnortant to consider in their precedent. It was also
aa important fact tkia�: this tournament was in lieu af one of the other
traditional softball tournaments.
Dr. Boudreau stated the T-551 Activity C1u!� was inquiring about the use
of the Cit�'s fields Eor au all-Tar�;et sofLball tournament with a11 the
Target stores around �he T+oin Citq area.' They;are looking at L-he second
or third weeker�d iiz August and:would require thr.ee softball fields. Theq
would L3ke two of [he thx.ee fields to be'lighted fields.
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_ City atlow a comwercitlk:� ration to�j}�v�ek � t,pus,aament on City facflities?
He stated he did not have35�'n}Y�`teco�euT��i�°�DS this request., if it .had
Lteen termed a play-day or an activity day, #.�y could maybe accommodate :
Ghat, but. they reallp have cco idea of whaf i'a�get is actually going to "
do. �
: M�Y1"dON by Mr, youmg, seconded by Mr. Allen, to receive the letter from
, Target-and:to tal2le Efie:softball tournament request until further
inforniation is received. IIpon a voice vote, all:voting aye, Chairperson Hughes
declared the moti,pa carried unanimously.
I'V. OLD BUSINESS:
, A'. Discussion - Co�wnunity Park Complex •
Ms. Hughes stated the problem she has in saying anything about a community
psrk is that°she feels a big lack of "numbers".and justification for the
park, other than the professional advice given by staff. She would like
. to see them develop some of that kind of information for the co�unity
park complex. By "rtumbeYS°, she meant, for example, how do they know how !
many bali diamonds or football fields there should be, how do they know
mhat is needed,in a community buildiAgl That is what she wanted to knew 1
aad wl�at she would like the Cou�ission to review and either endorse or °
change: , . ,.
Dr. Boudreau stated that to put together those kinds of "numbers" and
information would require more staff ti.m� than the.thr.ee of them on the
Parks � Recreation staff have, He wwld hope the City would know, through
the expressed needs talked about at the last Conmission meeting and through
their abservation of what is.happening through the requests gotten tonight
and all during the year, that there is a demonstrated need for impzoved
: facilities. It is the desire of the neighborhood park canmittees_that_,_
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ths City remove pzogrammed activities from the nieghborhood uarks,
ieaving the neighborhood parks open for neighborhood usage. 'He stated
Chat;about hliree months ago, he had requested that a citizens' co�ittee .
be formed"to help them do some uf the leg work they feel is badly needed and '
' to provide citi.zen irtput. �
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Ms.'Hughes asked hov the 6o�ission would like to proceed'to develop the i
baekground infonnatAon that would be iiecessary to either sell a bond
iasue or saise motse�+'or boCh. She was not sure that a committee:could x
develop t�iat kind of information without help from the staff. The
Conrmission could do that kind of work if they know what they need. Some
of the data would.kca�e to come from staff. She would like to see them
' get started on trgiu�-to determine what is needed in the c�munity park,
if it is different ��an what is already proposed. .
Mr. Boadreau stated �hat stafi would be more than happy ,to supply
v}iaCever informatian was'desired, however, he was Y�ot sure what facts
and fi.�ues the Co�iss�on wanted.
Ms. Hughes asked if the Commission had ever received
what is to be 3n,the c�nmuni.ty park?
a description of
,
_ :Dr. Boudreau stated the Coiim�ission has received a description of what
sL'aff perceives to be'in that park and that is six softball/baseball
diamonds with four footbali/soccer areas o�erlaid, restroom/storage/
concession/scorekeeper's bµidling, parking lot, access °roads, i�rigation
system, lighting, and a possible recreat;.on center complex that could
include whatever the commu�lity decides tfley would desmre in a recreati�onal
facility.
'"" Ms. Haghes stated they are going to have to have facts and figures in
reporting to citizens, and they bett;er stare collecting those facts and
figures in a foxm ttiat will be easily accessibie. If this cannot be done
by staff, she wouLd±7i,ke it done by the Gommission.
Dr, Boudreau stated {�u wouZd like t� see the direction of the City and
the Cou�ission oeing that now is the time Co hire a professional planner
or protessional arch��ect. to find out what should be develaped in this
area, as opposed to:�rying.:to do it in-house. Ae thoughb the City Council
ought to be asked to extend the iunds to do that.
Ms. Hughes stated she would like five or six pages of information that
is entitled, fox example, "Community Playf$eld Complex"--samething that
would explain the sn��re project.
Ms, Seeger stated she agreed with Ms, Hughes. The Co�ission members have
to have answers when lay p�ople ask them specific questions.
Drr. Boudreau stated`ha did not know what the Commission wanted. He has
explained the entire presentation to thzs commission and has talked tirae
- after time of what st$ff p2rceives us the needs for the community park.
Ae has gone to two groups and'was able t� get $65,000 donated by giving
these groups the same inforn�ation that the commission has received. The
_ desa:red inform�etion ;iaith fxaets and" figues, can be provided, but it will
take time. The Commi:sion already has a copy of the yearly EEI (Economic
equivalency Index) �e�iort put together '�y,Mr. Kirk of all the numbers of
teams, participation, hours of particigation, and that is a11 in one
report as closely ae �hey can put it. I€ additional facts are needed
over and above that, he did not know wh�t the Commission wanted.
NL., Hughc� stat�d thab was not the k,ind aE report she could give to
her neighbor showing iustificatfon for tiie park or something she would
give to the City Council to justify asking for one-half million dollars
to develop that'park: out of city money. <,
Dr. Boudreau st`ated-he would try to provid� the facts and figures in
the most efficfent mxriner �e can.
Mr. Young stated it i� not just the E�I report that justifies the fields.
Part of iY. is_the fttct that they want to get tiie softball fields out of
Conunoas, and those �ie18s have Y.o go snmewhere.
Ms. Hughes appofnted Mr, Allen and Dir. Yaung as a subcommittee to develop
a summary of• Che larid development at the co�uqity park complex, siting
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fts use's, ar'rangemenCa:and location, and some suppart data in terms of
why it is needed. It should also include aoarte discussion of the parking
lot, accesa roads, and iighting.
The Commission membe�s concurred that they had no reccmmendation on
whether or not'the Corps of Engineers or a private group should help
in the initial grading and other projects that are aeeded to be done at
this time in the cc�munity park.
H: qiscusaion - Cit*�/School Usage
Mr. Kirk stated that there has been some controversy regarding this item,
and he woukd like to give the Co�ission members an outline of what has
' taken place thus far.
L May 1979 - The Community School Advisory Council passed a
motion to explore sources of reveuue as listed on the
Finance Ca�ittee Report.
2. June 1979 -'The City of Fridley receives a request from
Mr. Tom Myhra (Curriculum Coordinator/Director of Community
Education) for $10,000 as a usage fee for utilization of
DistYict 14's building facilities.
According to the co�unication, this dollar figure represents
about 1,400'single use sessions by the City and nearly 300
single use sessions by the FYSA,
3, August 1979 - The City offers to pay $5,000 per ye�r for
three,years`, with the condieion that the Jr. High Would be
available for the F.E.S.T, activity.
4. August 1979'- This offer'from the City is not entixely accepted
by the District Board.
S. September 1979 - City Staff and Council members attend a School
Board meeting to determine whether district facilities would be
available for use with the fa11 recreation program.
The City was granted approval to use the facilities`r
6. April 1980 , The City-School Goordination Committee met to
discuss the;ranCa'L/user fee. '
7: May 1980 - The City Cauncil approved $S,OOD for a one-year
pariod, while request3ng continued negotiation between the
City and School Board,
g, May 1980 - At the Commupity Schonl Advisory Council meeti.ng;
' Mr. Myhra stated that the recently approved $S,OOO from the
,« City would be utilized as income to supplement the 1980-81
Community Education bud�et. As further sCated, a future request
for additional°funding from Ehe Citq of Fridley was not antici-
pated for the year 1980-8L
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Mr. Kirk stated there are a lot of areas which the City does not quite
agree with. One partirular area they disagree with and one that was
never really broughC'out in the discussions until recently was on the
number of hours used`;by'the City and the FYSA. The.original request was
for $10,000, repxesetlting 1400 single use sessions by ttie City and 300
single use sessions by the �YSA, totalling 1700 single use sessions.
The Board policy as written is that youth-serving organizations are not
charge3. The FYSA'i� a group that the City does a favor for hy putting
in its application, but it is realZy no� the City's program, although
• the -0ity does work vety closely o�ith them. And yet, the FYSA was included
in that re�uest.
Mr. Kirk stated Che Co:aanission should be aware that over 1,000 of the
1,400 use sessions were for;senior citizen programs. Another thing was
that the Board of Education quit xunnin� their elementary afYer-sch�ol
prc�grams a couple of�years ago because of:budget limitations, but had-
suggested that the Ci,ty pa.ck up Che after-school program, which the City
did.
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bfs. Hughes thanked Mz°.'Kirk £or this report..She stated it would be
t�sefuT for eaeh Cammission member to attend the joint city/school meetings
so�etime during the year.
Discussion --Improved Secur3t�in Parics
MOTIOb7 by Ms. Seegez, seconded by Mr. Allen, to continue this discussion
at the next meeting.' Upon a voice vote, all vating aye, Chairperson Ilughes
declared the motion carried unauimously.
Jaint Powers Agreement - Anaka Count�
Ms. Hughes stated �his was diecussed at length «gain at the May 7th
Plannzng Commission Gieeting. The P1�nning Commission's recouu�endation
to Citp Council was #hat Cit,y Council pursi:e negoCiations witiz the County
for Locke Park along'the same lines as Chase recommended by the Parks &
Recreation Connnissioii.
Ms. Hughes stated that' as -she looked at v:hat is possitrle on trails, it
occurred to her that snowmQbiling could be a1l�wed on some of the metro-
politan trails. It is not allocaed within Fridley on city streets. The
question they ought Co raise is ���hether snowmobiling would he allowed on
t-he trail through Loeke Park. She would lilce to :cnew what the plans are
within Anoka County and whether they'would anticipate any use of snow-
cioUiles on the trail tlirovgh'Locke Park.
Chairper,son 2iughes declared the May
meeting adjourned at 11;�3 P.m.
Respectiuli,y ��bmitted,
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L Saba, Reccrding Secretary`
I4, 19$O, Farks & Recreation Commission
"DRAFT SUBJEGT TO FINAL APPROVAZ"
ENViRQNMENTAL QUP.T.ITY CONIl�IISSTON '
MEETING
M.AY 20, 1980
C?S,L TO ORDER:
Chairperson Langenfeld called the May 20, 1980, Env3.ronmental Quality
Co�mnission meeting to order at,7:43 p.m.
RQLL CALL:
Members Present: Sim Langenfeld, Lee Ann Sporre (arr. 7:50 p.m.),
Bruce Peterson (arr. 8:08 p.m.), S� Erickson,
Richard Svanda
Members Abs.ent: None
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OF APRIL 15 1980 ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY C�SSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Erickson, seconded by Mr. Svanda, to approve the April 15, 1980,
Environmental Quality Coamussion minutes as written.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that on page 2 of the minutes, Mr. Peterson had asked
if there was any new resolutions on the Anoka County Airport by City Council
since Resolution �k139-1977 in Dec. 1977. He stated he brought this up at
Planning Commission, and there has not been a change as far as resolution.
As the Commission members might be aware, State Representative Paul McCarron
tacked on a rider at the State Legislature which has tabled 'further study
on the Anaka County Airport at this time.
UYON A VOICE VOTE,.ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNAIVIMOUSLY:
APPROVaL OF AGENDA:
The followiag items were added to the agenda under "Other Business":
A, LOGIN (Loca1 Go-vernment Information Network)
B. Cab1e TV Access Channel for Co�unicating with
C. Joint Powers Agreement
D. 205 Zoning Ordinance (page 43)
E. Creosote Problem
F. Clean-Up Day or Week
the Fridley Community
MOTION by Ms. Sporre, seconded by Mr. Svanda, to approve the agenda as
amended, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared
the motion carried unanimously.'
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CO2�IISSION MEETING, MAY 20, t980 PAGE 2
1. INERODUCTION OF NEW N��ER, RICIiARD SVANDA:
Mr. Langenfeld weleomed Mr. Svanda to the Commission.
Mr, Deblon asked Mr. Svanda if he would tell a little abait*himself and his
background.
Mr. Svanda sSated he aCtended South Dakota State University and grad'uated
from there in 1969 wfth a Bachelor of Science Degzee in Civil Engineering. ,
Right after that, he started working for the Pollution.Gontrol Agency, Division
of Water Quality Bermit Sectian, and has been there 11 years. For about the "°
past five years, he has been in charge of Chat section. There are about 33
people employed in that section, and they take care of a11 water quality-
related permit activities for the State.
2. CONTINIIED: ANOKA COUNTY AIRPORT
Mr. Deblon stated that, as Mr. Langenfeld had stated earl3er,. RepresentaCive
McCarron attached a rider on an o�ibus bill which put a damper on the project.
Ms. Sporre stated she would like to read an article from the Metro Monitor
written by the Chairperson of the Metropolitan Coimcil, Charles Weaver, on
the subject of the Anoka County Airport. Mr. Weaver concluded the article by
stating: "It is my belief that the airpart law was ill advised and does not
serve the best interests of the Twin Cities area and its peo�le. It should
be seconsidered by the Legislature." She wanted the Coannission members to
be aware of that article; because she felt it significantly shows an unwilling-
uess on the part of the Metropolitan Council to recognize a legislative mandate.
She stated she had talked to one of the members of the planning department,
and there is no aew process underway to site a reliever airport, so they are
stiLl waiting for some chauge to happen in the legislative system to allow
them to use that site. She thought they should continue to pursue the
action of the Metropolftan Council to recognize this legislative mandate.
- Mr. Erickson stated he had a problem with "riders in the night", He felt it
was a very poar legi,slative process, and it is done continuously. When Ms. Spozre
said it is a legislative mandate, he took issue with that. It was attached to
a garbage bill, and he did not think it even reflected a legislative mandate.
MOTION by Ms. Sporre, seconded by Mr. Svanda, to receive into the record the
following information:
1. Copy of the Legislative Action
2, Memo from Carl Robert dated 4-18-80 on the Anoka County-Blaine Airport
Advisory Task Force
3. Letter from TRA dated 4-23-80 addressed to Mayor Nee
4. Metro Monitar article by Charles Weaver, Metropolitan Council
Chairperson
Mr. Langenfeld stated a copy of the Legislative action should be sent to
the Planning Gommission for their inforniation.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COt-AiISSION MEETING MAY 2A 1980 PAGE 3
UPON A VOICE VOTE, AI.L VOTING AYE, GFIAIRPERSON LANGENF�LD DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY:
M(YCION by Mr. Erickson, sec_onded by Mr. Peterson, Yo table any further
discussion on the Anoka County Airport at this time: Upon s� voice vote,
a21 voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried
unanimously.
3. C0�`ITINUED; TRUNK HIGHIdAY 10/NORTH CROSSTOWN
Mr. Deblon stated there has been no new information on this item. ---
Ms. Sporre asked if the funding for the North Crosstown was affected by the
lack of legislative approval to the highway funds? Originally, at the BRW
meeting, they were saying it would be funded under substitution project funds--
money deferred from other projects.
Mr. Deblon stated he would call the Department of Transportation and get an
answer to that questian.
MOTION by Ms. Sporre, seconded by Mr. Erickson, to continue discussion on
Trunk Highway 10/North Crosstown at the next meeting. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the moti.on carried unanimously.
4, DISCUSSIOPi OF NOISE WORKSHOP "PI.ANNING FOR QUIET COMMUNITIES":
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Mr. Deblon stated he and Ms. Sporre had attended this workshop on May 8,
which was sponsored by the League of Minnesota Cities, Metro C1ean Air Noise
Co�ittee, and the Government Training Service.
Mr. Deblon stated it was a very interesting workshop. Alderman Rockenstein,
who is well acquainted with noise and its impacts and has been advocating
all noise control, gave an excellent presentation on the affects of noise.
Some good approaches .to noise and_how to buffer and screen noise were presented.
Mr. Deblon stated he felt the timing might be right, and this might be an .
excellent opportunity to reconsider the noise ordinance. He stated the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has given a grant.to the League of
Minnesota Cities to give technical assistance, and Fridley was selected as
one of those target cities to receive technical assistance. So, for three
years, Fridley will have technical assistance for training people to enforce
a noise ordinance, writing up a r.oise ordinance, and a loan for sophisticated
equigment for measuring motor vehicle noise or property line noise.
Mr. Deblon stated that Kathleen Callahan of the Lea�ue oP Minnesota Cities
came to Fridley and gave an excellent presenCation on what other ccmmunities
are doing. .Tim Hill, Public Safety Director, Tim Turnbull, Crime Prevention
Cooxdinator, Jerry Boardman, CiCy Planner, and himself were at that meeting.
He stated Mr. Hill was open minded and receptive to a noise
ordinance. Mr. Deblon stated that he thought that if the community wants
something like this, it can become a reality. It is going to be enforceable
and a good management tool to facilitate further enforcement.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COI�4ffSSI0N MEETING, MAY 20, .19$0 PAGE 4
Mr. Deblon stated that the Environmental Quality Commission had drafted up
a noise ordinance about three years ago, and maybe this was the-time to bring
it back again for review.
Mr, Langenfeld stated it was up to the Co�ission members i,f they would like
to review the noise pollution control ordinance draft and have it as an
agenda item. The reason the ordinance did not get very far several years
ago was because of the lack of interest and the question of enforceability.
MOTION by Mr. Svanda, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to request Staff to get
copies of the Noise Pollution Control Ordinance draft for the Commission's -- -
review. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Deblon stated that he did present this information to the Community
Development Commission, and that commission made a motion supporting the
locaL noise ordinance concept and recommending that the Environmental Quality
Co�ission look into this item again.
Mr. Peterson suggested that Ms. Callahan be asked to review the drafted noise
pollution control ordinance so she could see what was done in the past and
to find out what comments or ideas she had on it.
Ms. Sporre stated that regarding the "Planning for Quiet Commuaities" workshop,
she would like to add some interesting things that came out at the workshop.
She stated the need was pointed out for a quiet planner--th� person who can
plan the audible landscape for the comm;anity--and that a new emphasis in
urban planning is to Ue able to design the acoustic control for a healthy
environment. They talked about ways af doing that. They saw slides of the
berming process used in the Bloomington area as a function of acoustic planning.
They talked about the different ways of using sound balls wiYh plantings and
how noise behaves similar to light and dissimilar from light. They talked
abouC how the planner of today has to protect tha people from noise the way
the planner l0 years ago had to protect the people from water problems and
things like that.
Ms. 5porre stated they talked about sleep. When you are exposed to an abrupt
noise while sleeping, it does not mean you will wake up, but you can came out
of the healing level of sleep, so you are not getting the quality sleep, In
,urban enviro�ents, you become fatigued, and it' has become almost a societal
probleil�. It is mare serious for senior citizens. It was pointed out that
it is showing up in health costs, so it becomes the responsibility of the
planner today because of a new problem. She thought it was important for
the City's Planning Department to became active in acoustic planning.
Ms. Sporre stated that because there was a speaker from Metropolitan Airports
Coumdssion and a speaker from Metropolitan. Council, she asked the question of
how planning was going to be affected by the legislal-ion on the airport.
The answer given by Alton Gaspar was that there was no,new planning process
underway, and they felt the legislative process will resolve the need for
the airport. Claude Schmidt; Metropolikan Airports Commission, stated they
stilb think Anoka County could be the intermediate airport.
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5. UPDATE ON NPC-5:
Mr. Langenfeld stated that A1 Perez made a presentation on NPC-5 at the
Planning Conm�ission meeting on April 9, 1980. Planning Coum�ission's
recommendation to City Council was that the City support tlie MPCA in the
adoption of a regulation such as NPC-5; also that enforcement provisions and
criteria for permit revocation be included in the regulation. Those were
also the Environmental Quality Commissinn's concerns. At the City Council
meeting of May 21, the City Council concurred with the Planning Co�ission to
support the MPCA in the adoption of NPGS. _._..�
Mr. Deblon stated he had attended the MPCA Board meeting and was supposed to
testify and explain how the city commissions had reviewed and supported the
PIPC-5 and testify of the official support from the City. Somehow he was not
listed on the agenda and did not get to testify.
Mr. Dehlon stated that at that meeting, the Board was.ready to vote to start
the hearing process on the regulation and then decided not to rule out the
four other alternatives. They decided to send it back to staff to make it
more legally sound. He stated he was rather disappointed in this decision.
He stated that more progress is supposed to be made on the IVPC-5 Airport
Installation Noise Permit at the next Board meeting.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Erickson, to continue discussion.on
NPC-5 at another meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye+, Chairperson Langenfeld
declared the motion carried unanimou3ly.
6. DUCKS ON HIGHWAY 65:
Mr. Debion stated that John F1ora, Public Works Director, has received a
complaint that over 2�0 ducks a year are run over on Highway�65 by Moore Lake.
The question was being aslced oi whether the County or State could put up a
fence along the highway so the ducks would not walk across the highway.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested that Mr. Deblon contact the Department of Natural
Resources to enquire about what could be done about this problem. This could
be discussed again after Mr. Deblon received more information.
MOTION by Mr. Erickson, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to continue discussion on
this item at another meeting, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairperson Langenfeld declared the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Langenfeld declared a ten-minute break at 9:I0 p.m.
7. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. LOGIN
or Z ocal Governments
ation Network); A New
Tir. Langenfeld asked if the Commission members had any ideas or
suggesCions on how this computer could be utilized by their local
government.
ENVERONMENfAI. QUALITY COPAtISSION MEETING MAY 20 1980 PAGE 6
B.
Mr. Peterson stated he felt this was more oriented towards Staff
and might be worthwhile for Staff to check into the use of it,
what type: of service is provided, the cost of the service, what
type of information can he obtained, and how effectively it- can be
used. '
Mr, Langenfeld asked Mr. Deblon to check into this and see if it
would or could be helpful to a local conm�ission.
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dated Mav 6 1980 regarding: "Using Cable TV Access
r Communicatine with the Fridlev Community"
Mr, Langenfeld stated this was a way of creating awareness, no matter
what the issue.
Mr. Erickson stated the Commission has talked about a number of items
during the meeting and discussed their ideas and feelings on these
items. Hopefully, they reflect somewhat what the community wants
and needs, Uut this cable TV access channel would at least gitie the
co�unity the opportunity to know whaE is going on and to respond:
Mr. Langenfeld stated this was a very good outlet and would definitely
create awareness. He stated he wouJ.d contact Mark Scott and acquire
some more detail. ,
MOTION by Mr. Erickson, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to request the
Chairperson to get more infox�ation on the Cable TV Access Channel
and also to check with other couimissfons and get their feelings on
it. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld '
declaYed the motion carried unanimously. ��
C. Joint Powers Agreement
Mr. Langenfeld stated the Joint Powers Agreement is an agreement
between Anoka County and the City of Fridley where Anoka County
would take over the maintenance and operation of Locke Park, but the
City of Fridley would retain ownership and control of the park.
Mr. Langenfeld read the "Purpose"of the Joint Powers Agreement: "The
parties hereto agree that they have joined together for the purpose
of promoting the efficient development, operation and maintenance of
Locke Park to serve the recxeational needs and interests of park users."
He stated the "Intent" oi the agreement is "to outline the responsi-
bilities of the City and the County in the areas o# development,
operations and maintenance of Locke Park.°
Mr, DeUlon stated that as the Joint Powers Agreement is written,
Anoka County would be responsible for maintenance which would save-
the City $50,000 a year. The Agreement can be terminated by either
party at any time, with or without cause, upon a 3G5-days written
notice.
EPVIRONMENTAL QUAi.ITY COMMISSION MEETING MAX 20 1980 PAGE 7
Mr. Deblon stated the City Council approved this Joint Powers Agree-
ment at their meeting of May 19.
Ms. Sporre stated that ii it is the intent of the City Council to
enter into an agreement with Anoka County on the development, use,
and maintenance of Locke Park, some mechanism for communication on
the conmissions' level should be estaUlished between the City and the
County. It is her feeling that the County Park Co�ission lacks the
adequate citizen input, on the designed use for Anoka County parks.
And, if it includes Locke Park, there should be a better arrangement
for receiving public input than there has been in the past. Fridley
has a legitimate Parks & Recreation Co�ission, and those coum�issioners
receive a lot of phone calls. There is a different kind of commission
at the County level.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Parks & Recreation Coumiission dealt
with the Joint Powers Agreement at great length before bringing it
to the Planning Co�3ssion's attention.
Ms. Sporre stated it is her feeling there will be proposals coming
forward for use of the park, and she was thinking specifically of the
idea of a snowmobile trail. Regional use is the goal of the Metropolitan
County for the Rice Creelc chain of lakes, including che Locke Park area.
She thought if it was important foi Anoka County to enter into a decision-
mak:�.ng process, they make a.better attempt to get ci�tizen involvement
in their county park planning. They should at lease establ.ish a priority
to meet with the Fridley Parks & Recreation Commission because the
Fridley Parks & Recreation Co�ission has a better feel for what the
people want. ,
Mr. Langenfeld stated thab the City Council has agreed with the Joint
Powers Agreement, and if the County agrees to discuss the Joint Powers
Agreement with the:City, at that time he would like to see the Environ-
mentaZ Quality Commission become involved in a public-hearing type
of ineeting to generate more citizen input.
Mr. Erickson stated that the City has a Parks & Recreation Commission
and apparently that commi.ssion has reviewed the Joint Powers Agreement.
That commission has the responsibility to make certain decisions and
make reco�endations to the Planning Doumiission and City Council, and
he felt they must be a little more attune to this issue than the
Environmental Quality Crnmnission. His point is that in the govern-
mental process, the Parks 6 Recreation Commission has made an assess-.
ment and the City Gouncil has made an assessment, and at some point
in time, this Go�ission should accept that assessment.
Ms. Sporre stated she was talking about decisions that will be made
along the way in the future where a process has to work. She feels
it is important that the County be cognizant of the Farks & Recreation
Commission and worlc with the Parks & Recreation Commission. She would
ENV'CRONMENTAt QUALTTY COMMISSION MEETING MAY 20 1480 PAGE 8
like this Commission to request that the County work with the Parks &
Recreation Co�ission and also realize that some of the proposals
for that park wi11 need special control for development. The carry-
ing capacity of tlie land is limited, because of the steep slopes
and because of the flood plain, and those are envix'onmental issues
that the County Park Board may not be aware of.
Mr. Erickson stated that when the Parks & Recreation Coa�ission is
aitting doc,m and making assessments on the city parks, he would think
they have the responsibility to also assess the environmental impacts.
He could not helieve they would noC, because that is what a park is
all about.
Mr. Deblon stated he saw management as the necessary tool right now
to make sure the environment is protected. By reliaquishing the park
over to the County, there are more funds available for this management.
It relieves the City of a burden, because of the fact that not only
Fridley residents use it, but people outside of Fridley who are further
impacting those lands. And there is r{ot much Fridley can do tro stop
that . .
Mr. Langeafeld stated that, in his opinion, in terms of the use of
Locke Park, it is already regional, and he felt the-park would probably
fair much better with a joint powers agreement, because there is then
a higher governmental agency, as well as a city, joining forces to
accomplish a coum�on goal. He realized what Ms. Sporre was saying,
but he did support the idea of a joint powers agreement.
Ms. Sporre stated she would recovm�end that the power of decision remain
in the City of Fridley on the development and use of Locke Park:
MOTION by Mr. Svanda, seconded by Mr. Erickson, to request the Environ-
mental Quality Qo�ission Chairperson and Staff to bring any new
information or changes on the Joint Powers Agreement to the -0oamtission's
attention in order for the Environmental quality Commission to make
a recommendation to Planning Commission and City Council.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON LANGENFELD DECLARED
THE MOTION CAItAIED UNAATIl�fOUSLY:
D. 205 Zoning Ordinance (page 43)
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Planning Coumiission is in the process
of reviewing tlle 205 Zoning Ordinance, and he has been asked to bring
Co the Commission's attention an example of some of the things that
take place in the Planning Commission's discussion of the ordinance.
He referred to page 43, 205.096, R-3 District Regulations, Performance
SYandards, Item F, which states: "A11 roof equipment, except solar
collectors, must be screened from public view unless the equipment
3s desigred ss an integral part of'the building design and is compatible
witti the lines of the building as detexmined by the Zoning Administrator."
ENUIRONMENTAL QUAT.ITY COtR3ZSSI0N MEETING MAY 20, 1980 PAGE 9
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Flanning Coannission is running into
many thiags that perhaps should be considered in a Zoning Ordinance,
such as solar access rights, how many :aindmills should be allowed,
etc. He stated tfiis Coumiission did not have to disc,uss it at this
meeting, but he wanted the members to be aware of this and think
about it, because it may become part of this Commission's charge.
These things would definitely have an environmental impact on people.
He stated this should be put on the agenda for discussion at the
next meeting. '
Mr. Erickson requested that Staff accuu�ulate any documents or model
ordinances that would pertain to these types of things for the
Ca¢miission to review and use in their discussions.
E. Creosote Problem
Mr. Langenfeld stated that he wondered if the Environmental Quality
Co�ission should become involved in problems such as the creosote
problem that was discovexed on the p=operty of the Onan Corporation.
Mr, Svanda stated this is currently being looked at by the MPCA
(Minnesota Pollutiou ConYrol Agency). There is a certain amount of
contaminated soil and right now the MPCA is taking tests to try to .
figure out the extent of contaminacion. Right now, there doesn't
appear to be a very big problem. He felt the Commission should be
kept informed of any further information.
Mr. Erickson suggested that Staff get copies of any and a11 reports
from the MPCA concerning the magnitude of the creosote problem....
F. Clean-Up Day or Week
Mr. Langenfeld stated this item would be put on the agenda at the
next meeting.
ADJOURI�MENT•
MOTION by Ms. Sporre, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Langenfeld declared the
May 20, 1980, Environmental Quality Commission meeting adjourned at 10:Z9 p.m.
Respectfully submi ted,
Lyn Saba
Recording Secretary
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An article on this page notes that a new state law specifically prohibits thc
Metropolitan Airports Cummission from taking any steps to upgrade the Anoka
CountyBlaine Airport to inEermediate capability. �
The intermedixte dassification relates to use. As defined in the Metropolitan
Counci]'s long-range regionaf plan for aviation, it describes an ai[port 6ig enough to
Itandle planes that cadt land and take otf from the "minor° airports in the system,
but smaller than a"major° facitity such as Minneapolis-St. Paul International.
SpeciGcaily, the intermediate caCegory� of airport is one that can be used by business
and corpotate aircraCt of the twin-engine prop or jet size.
WhaE this new law says, ir effect,.is that Intemational and the one other airport
in the regional system classed as an intermedia6e tacility, St. Paul Downtow�, must
continue to handle the growing volume of business and corporate aireraft activity.
I guess if I were a resident of south Minneapolis, or Eagan, or Crystal, or the
Hightand Park or Dayton's Bluff sections of St. Paul, or of any of tlie other areas of
the Region where moderate to heavy air traffic overhead is a daily occurrence, I would
�have a problem with this law.
By impiication, it assigns a"most favored" status to Mounds View and other
communities adjacenti to the Anoka airpart. It says that other people, but not those
�living near the Anoka field, must beaz the consequences of a regionwide development—
the growth in business aviation. The ]aw says that the one airport in the regional
system that is best suited to meet the projected business aviation need—by reason of
�its large size (about three square miles, second only to International), flexibility �
(room for expansion with minimal off-airport impact), and settlement patterns
(very limited cesidential development to the north and east) shovtd not be so used.
?f this taw had been passed foliowing adequate hearings, and if its impact on the
entire system and n!! of the people oL this Region had 'oeen considered, I would have
far less concera. Unfortur,ately, that was not the case. The bill did not receive the
hearings it deserved, and it became law only after being attached to tlie supptemental
appropriations, or "garbage," bill, in the closing days' of the session.
I have maintained in the past, and continue to maintain, that the Minnesota
Legislatuce has a supecb record in metropotitan affaixs. Ovec the yeacs, it has xepeatedly
sho�vn itself wncemed euough, and knowledgeable enough, to produce creative and
e[fective solutions to metropolitan problems that have baffled and frustrated
legislatures in other states. This enviable record of accomplishment �vas enhanced in
tihe 1980 sessfon, i� my judgment, through �the I.egislature's strengthening of tiie state
law dealing wiih the controversial and difGcult solid� and hazardous waste disposal
problem.
Yet, as one examines this xecord, it seems cleac to me that the T,egislatuxe does its
best work in metropolitan affairs when it approaches issues of legitimate regionwide
concern from a regionat perspective; when it deats with the whole, and not a small
paR of the whole.
Fortunately, there is time to remedy the problem created by the new Anoka
airport law. Although business aviation has been growing in the Region, national
and regional projections indicate it will be a few years before the International
and St. Paul Downtown airports are in dire need of relief.
It is my bclief the Anoka airporC law was ill�ad��ised and dces not serve the 6est
interests of ihe Twin Cities Area and ils people. It should be reconsidered by the
I.egisla[ure. -
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PU[3LIC NEARING •
BEFORE THE
PLANtJIPIr, COt4MISSION
Notice is hereby given that there �rill be a Public�Hearing of the
Planning Commission of the City of Fr;dley in the City Hall at 6431
University Rveriue Northeast on Ylednesday, June 4, 1980
in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of:
Consideration of a request for a Special Use
Permit, SP #80-04, by the Fridley Conva7escent
Home, per Section 205.0521, 3, F, of the"Fridley
City Code, to allow an entrance from Lyric Lane
because of expansion of the n�msing hor�e to add
clerical, office and classroam-meetiny space, �
located on Lot 1, Block l, Plaple Manor Addition,
the sanie bein9 7590 Lyric Lane N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota.
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Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an.opportunity •
at the above stated time and place. .
Publish: May 21, 1980
May 29, 1980
RICHARD H. MARRIS
CHATfL'�1AN � .
_ PLANNTNG COMMISSION
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CITY OF FRIDLEY h1INNESOTA
PLANNING AND ZONING FORM
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APPLICANT'S SIGNATUR6ry r�/ , .. _ ,.�>�{„�
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Address 7590 LvrYc Lane N,E.. Fridlev,'Q�1i�nn 55432
Telephone Number 786-7700
PROPERTY 014NER' S SIGNATURE<��` ' r •��.+�.i✓
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TYPE OF RBQOEST
Rezoning
✓ Special Use Permit
Approval of Premin-
inary $ Fina1 Plat
Streets or Alley
Vacations
Address 5�� Osborne Rd., Fridley, Minn. 55432
Other
Telephone Num6er 785-7200 �s�U
Fee�Receipt No. ` 9.�r ��'
Street Location of Property 7590 Lyric L-ane N.E., Fridley
Legal Description of Property Lo± I Block I Maple I�tanor Addition
Present Zoning Classification Existing Use of Property Nursinq Home
Acreage of Property 2 acres Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification
or type of use and improvement proposed Exoansion to the nursing home to add clerical,
off ice and ctassroom-meeting room space ZL��„-<> ��UJ �2,-�,-' ��t-,</ �,-'�
Has the present epplicant previously sought to rezone, plat, oUtain a lot split or
variance or special use permit on th subiect sit or part of it? �yes � no.
What was requested and when? f�/�,�� ��.�,�� �_�,/ a,«��,v_
The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property
within 300 feet (350 feet'for rezoning) must be attached to this application.
(b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation
given tiahy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings
resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and
property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned.
A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the
following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot.
3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks.
4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet}.
The undersigned hereby declares that all the facts anil representations stated in this
application are true and correct. �� ,
DATE ,.>� �-��lj SIGNATUR � � _���� << �� a��tG��
� (APPLICA,'
Date Filed Date of Hearing ,C<-•-�-✓ `� ,�yl�`�
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Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved
(dates) Denicd (dates) Denied
MAILING LIST
SP #80-04, Fridley Convalescent Home
7540 Lyric Lane N.E.
North Suburban Hospital
Unity Hospital
550 Osborne Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
At�n: John Haines
� 12
Planning Commission 5/20/80
City Council
District Mr. & Mrs. Lloyd Larson
7549 Lyric Lane N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Highland Park Development Co.
540 Greenhaven Road
Anoka, Mn 55303
R. J. Ruppert, C. A. Lowe.
and Culer E. LaSalle
620 Osborne Road N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
PDQ Stores of Mn Inc.
3310 University Avenue
Madison, Wisconsin 53705
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Nielsen
7583 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. William Orr
7577 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, i�n 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Jerome Ruhn
7573 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Ms. Janice Carroll
7567 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Dwight Beglau
7563 Lyric Lan� N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Harley Thureen
7559 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. James Summers
7553 Lyric Lane N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Urbin Mayer
7445 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr, & Mrs. William Shocinski
7539 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Westeren
7530 Tempo Terrace N.E.
fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Harold Johnson, Jr.
7534 Tempo Terrace N.E.
friulry, Mn 55432
Mr. Lowell Erickson
7536 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. Howard Rassier
7540 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Podeszwa
7542 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Ms. Shirley Quien
7544 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
F, M.C. & Associates
7675 Pladison Street N.E.
Fridley, Mn 55432
Jackie Judlicki, Administrator
Fridley Convalescent Home
7590 Lyric Lane N.E.
Fridlev, Mn 55432
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THE MINIITES OF TIIE BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING OF NOVFI�1BIIt 6 1968
The meeting was called to order by Chairma.n Mittelstadt.
MII�IDERS PRESENT; Mitteletadt, O�Bannon, Hctrrie, Ahonen
rIF2�IDERS ABSENT: Miniah
OTi�iS PRESENT: Clarence Beliele-Building Inspector
MOTION by 0'Bannon to accept the minutes of October 30, 1968, ae written.
Seconded by Ahonen. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimously.
Mr. Gitie wae preaent to preeent hie propoeal. _
A new plot plan was submitted ehowing new e,�xese and exit, landecaping, looation
of propoeed building on the lot, etc.
MOTION by Harrie to cloae the public hearing,
Secanded 'oy 0'Bannan. Upon a voice vote, one abstained, the motion carried.
MOTION by Harrie to grant the requeet £or the following reasox�e;
1. There wae no one preeent in oppoeition to the request.
2. The new plot plan ie agreeaL�e with egrese on Madieon Street.
3• The nuraing home concept fite very well into the hoepital, clinic,
nureing� home type center.
4• The epecial uee permit previouely gra.rited hae expired and aonstruction
had not etarted.
5• The unit will be a free enterpriee agency paying £ull abare of taxee.
Seconded by 0'Be.nnon. IIpon a voice vote, one abetained, the motion carried.
It ie the opinion o£ the Board that the proposed building £ace South, ae ehown
on the neW plot plan.
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TEIE MINUTEu Ol�' THF I3UAItD 0� AYP�IS i+IE:E`I'[NG tiF OC'POBF�t 30, '9F,8
The meetin� waa called to order by �!,Airman Mittelstadt.
MF3�7BF�iS PRESEIdT: N:i±te'_atadt, 0'F�annon, Mir:ish, Harris
MFS�SBERS ABSEI�'P; Ahonen
OTHEEiS FRF,SEf�`P: Clarence Eelisle-Buildin� Inspector
MO`PION by Minish to accept the min�trs of October 16, 1963, as written.
Seconded by 0'Banr.on
unanimously.
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'Ipon a vO1C@ co*e, there being no nays, the motion carried
OF SF.CTION 4F•��. REDiiC'
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NG co96 ASFI'PON AVEMiE N
plr. Lars Anderson was p^esent to present his proposal.
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MOTION by 0'Bannon to grant the reques± for the following reasons, which were
also stated in the October �6, �yo8, minutes.
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There was no one present in opposition to the variance.
There is no existing structure immediately to the South of this
property. �
The variance meets ail other physical requiremen's; �.e., does
not preseni traffic hazard, doe: not obstrucL view of other dwellings
etc.
Seconded by Minish. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimously.
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T AS PFR SECTION 45•19 2d FOR THE
TIO�I
The Boards opinion is that Mr. Gitis has not, in due time, submitted a plot pian
ox Lot Split request to the BuildinF Inepector.
MpPION by Mr. 0'Bannon to table this requeet until we hesr further from Mr. Gitis.
Scrconded by Miniah. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
ununimously.
Mr, Gitie ia to be notified of thia action.
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� 'I91E M1Nt17'1?S 07�„P)IR ROARD OI�' AYP:�IAT�� ML'I�PIPIG OI�' OCi1'OI�PIi 16, 196f3
��The meetin� tiras called to order by Cfiairmun 1✓ittelstadi;
M�3�7131?RS YIZFiS�;[dT: Don P4ittelstadt-Ch�irman, BoL At:i.nisli
MF�NI3Pf�S AF3f�;l;f7'P: Mike 0' Eannon, F3ob Ahonen
dPIIL'tt5 Pit19SI;P1'P: Clarecice T3elisle-I;uildin� In�pector
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The minutes of the October 2, 1q68 Board of Appeals meeting, o;ere approved by
those me;nbers pr.esent, even thou�h 1;hey did not canstitute a quorum.
Two importani: points were brougnt out by the Chai.rman, Miti�elsLadi;:
1. That Council should immediately appoint a"Sifth" IIoard of App�als
memUer.
2. That it is a City Ordinance and Board of Appeals ground rule, that
the City Manager attend all Board of tlpp�als meetings and act as
Board Secretary.
1. � A JtE�UEST FOH VIiFtIANCf�: OI�' SEC`PION Q�.26, R�)ZTC'I7_ON OF F'RONT YARD SF"]'I3ACK F`ROi�I
35 1''Et�l' TO 25 F:�E`P TO PF'E31�1IT COI��S`PHUCTSOPt OF A D'�173LVING 35 FEE`l' IN D?�PPH AI�D
MAINTAIN A 25 FOOT RF,�LFi Y�1RD ON LOT 1, BLOCY 3, ?1DGF'G7ATFR GARDEN'S, ANOKA COUN'i'Y,
MINNES07'A. THE SAD'IE F3�sIP1G 6696 I�SH�'ON A'T���!�UF hT.E.. FrtiIDL�'Y. MIidNESO�PA. �REOUEST
NOTE: Because �here is no quor.um, and no resoluti.on can be passed,
it nevertheless remains that members present can offer stated
opinions for future Council action.
Mr. Lars G. Anderson was present to present his proposal.
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It i.� the opiriion o£ the Board member� present that the vari.ance be granted as:
1. There was no one present in opposition to the variance.
2. There is no existin� structure immediately to the South of i,his
property.
3. The variance meets all ocher physical requirements;i.e., does
not pxe�ent tra££ic hazar3, does not obstruct view of other dwellings,
etc.
2. A RF;RiTF,"`P FOR A SPnCS9L USE PEE?i1IT AS P}?R SECmION 45.19 2d POR TI�E CON�`I'RUCTION
OP A Idl1E{S7 n�G �}I0:'1_�; 7�.N !�N R-1 IONInG OPT PART OF OL79'LOT �1 , MELODY MANOR 4TH ADDSTI
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SA�1}s BRING 7 j74 LYRI
FPd`i' C0. , 640 HAIvti TC
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Mr. Josepl� Gitis, repseser.ting P•Iedicare Develop:r,ent Co. , ti�as present to offer to the
Board, the plaus tor the Nursin� I?ome, special use permit �See the October 2, 1�6f3
Board of Appeal� ager.da and minutes.)
It is the o�inion oS i.he Board that the special use permit be granted to Medicare
Devel.opment Co. £or the�e reasons;
'`Q; 1. The plans sho�.m to the Board members, after their review, seem
S.�" vcry adequate and ce.r.tainly c�nsis�c>n{; to �;ood building et�.ndar.ds.
` �4��� The platis �re available for Cormcil�r�view (two set� of plans�.
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THE MINUTES OF THE ➢OARD OF APPEALS MF�,R'ING GF OC�i'OIiRR 2, 1U63
The meeting waa called to order by ActinEr, Chairman Mitteletadt.
MH24BERS PRFSE�7T: Mitteletadt, 0'Eunnon, Ationen; Minieh
0'Pf�iS PRESENT: Clnrence Beli3le-Building Inepector
MOTION by 6honen to accept the minutea of September 18, 196!3, ae written.
Seconded by 0`Bannon
unanimouely.
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IIpon s voice vote, there being� no naye,. the motion carried
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Mx. Gittie preaented the proposal for Medicare Development L'o..
MOTION by Minish to cloae the public nearing.
Seconded by 0'Bannon.. Upon a voice vote, there being� no nays, the motion carried
unanimouely.
MOTION by Minish to table this request'pending submittal of preliminary plot plan,
elevations and floor plan.
Seconded by 0'Bannon. IIpon'a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimouely.
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Mr. Bernard Hartman, owner, and Mr. John Polymeron, representative of Suesel Co.,
were preeent to present the proposal.
MOTION by 0'Bannon to close the public hearing.
Seconded by Minish. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimouely.
�SOTION by Minish to grant the variance due to the following reaeone;
1. The exietirr� slab ie etructurally sound and ie located 13' to rear of houee.
2. It would be difficult to move the garage to meei; the 3' side yard requirement.
j. There wss no objection from adjacent property ownere.
Seconded by Ahonen. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimouely.
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING CC�NIISS�ON MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980
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Chairman Harris called the June 4, 1980, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:05 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harxis, Mr. Treuenfels, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld,
Ms. Hughes, Mr. Wharton, Mr. Oquist (arr. 7:30 p.m.)
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
,Tackie Judlicki, Administxator, Fridley Convalescent Center
Charles E. Johanson, 424 Rice Creek Blvd.
Lloyd Larson, 7549 Lyric Lane
James Suumiers, 7553 Lyric Lane
Bruce Barsness, 7589 Lyric Lane
Edna Barsness, 7589 Lyric Lane
Elsie Nielsen, 7583 Lyric Lane
Jerome W. Buhn, 7573 Lyric Lane
LaRue Buhn, 7573 Lyric Lane
Janice Carroll, 7567 Lyric Lane
Dwight K. Beglau, 7563 Lyric Lane
Mr. & Mrs. Julian Boydo, 7593 Lyric Lane
Mr. McRabow,.7593 Lyric;Lane
APPROVAL OF MAY 21, 1980, PLANNING COMI�ffSSION NLLNUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to approve the
May 21, 1980, Planning Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
1. RECEIVE &1Y 13, 1980, COM[�1UNITY DEVELOPMENT COh4ffSSI0N NLiNUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the May 13, 1980,
Community Development Coumnission minutes.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that on page 4 of the minutes, regarding Ms. Modig's
concern that the letter City Council sent to MPCA supporting a noise regulation
such as NPC-5 did not reflect what was intended in the Planning Commission's
motion, Mr. Flora had suggested that the Planning Commission write up a sample
letter of transmittal for the City Council's signature and approval to avoid
misunderstandings.
Ms. Schnabel stated that before a letter is written, perhaps Mr. Flora, if
he was the one responsible for writing the letter, should check with the appro-
priate staff people involved to get a11 the pertinent details that should go
into the letter.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 2
Mr. Treuenfels asked Mr. Boardman if he would obtain a copy of the letter
written by the::City Council with reference to this subject.
Mr. Boardman stated he would try to get a copy of this leYter for the Planning
Commission members.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNAN2MOUSLY;
2. RECBIVE MAY 14, 1980, PARKS & RECREATION CONQIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Hughes, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the May 14, 1980,
Parks & Recreation Coumdssion minutes.
Ms. Hughes stated she wanted to point out that the Parks & Recreation C�mission
did give preliminary approval to $117,599 in Proposed Capital Outlay for 1981.
The Coammission will take final action at their June llth meeting.
Ms. Hughes stated that on page 12, there was a motion to recou�end approval of
a test tournament by Bob's Produce softball team. In the vote in Yhe third
paragraph, it should be changed to read, "Chairperson Hughes declared the motion
failed because of a tie." She stated this item was taken to the City Council
on Monday, May 19, and the City Council approved that particular tournament on a
test basis without seteing any kind of precedent.
lJPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMe1N HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UAANII�IOUSLY.
3. RECBIVE MAY 20, 1980, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONII�ffSSION MINUTES:
MOTION tsy Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to receive the May 20, 1980,
Environmental Quality Co�ission minutes.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Environmental Quality Co�ission was going to
become involved again with the noise ordinance. They wi11 probably gat
involved in clean-ups. They also talked a Little about the feasibility of
using cable TU to discuss some of these items.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that an article by Charles Weaver, Metropolitan Council
Chairperson, regarding the Anoka County Airport was included for the Planning
Coumiission's information. He stated he was very displeased with that article.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY:
4. RECEIVE MAY 27, 1980, APPEALS COI�QflSSION MINVfES:
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by 1�¢s. Hughes, to receive the May 27, 1980,
Appeals Commission minutes.
PLANNING COI�fL8SI0N MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 3
Ms. Schnabel stated that on the request for a vaYiance at 5750 Main Street
on pages 1-3, it should be noted to the City Council that the drainage
situation was a real conceru to the neighborhood,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
5. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP ��80-04, FRIDLEY
CON�ALESCENT HOME: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3, F, to
allow an entrance from Lyric Lane because of expansion of the nursing
home, to add clerical, office and classroom-meeting space, located on
Lot 1, B1ock 1, Maple Manor Additfon, the same being 7590 Lyric Lane N.E.,
Fridley, Minnesota.
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to open the public hearing
on SP �80-04 by the Fridley Convalescent Home. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairman Haxris declared the public hearing open at 7:35 p.m.
Mr. Boardman stated that he would give-a.little background on this item.
When the nursing home was proposed on this site in 1968, the Planning Commission
and City Council reco�ended a special use permit with the determination that
there be no access off Lyric Lane. The reason this has come hack to the
Planning Commission for a special use hearing is because what is being proposed
is something that was suggested not take place in the original special use
permit. This special use permit request is for a modification of that recommen-
dation or stipulation on the 1968 special use permit approval. The Fridley
Convalescent Home is proposing an addition to the office administration area
with an access road coming in to-the parking area that goes past the front of
the building as a drop-off poinC. This access road would be a one-way in off
of Lyric Lane. This is in violation of the original special use permit.
Mr. Boardman sYated that Staff has several problems with Chis, primarily
access problems. If this is approved for any reason, Staff feels this drive,
instead of coming in at an angle onto Lyric Lane, should be dropped back a
little bit more and hrought more out on a right angle onto Lyric Lane. Regard-
less of whether or not the driveway is approved, Staff feels that additional
plantings and screening should be put around the parking lot to screen it from
the residential neighborhood.
NLs. Schnabel asked if Staff had any other alternatives to recoumend.
Mr, Boardman stated the only other alternative without access to Lyric Lane
would be a roadway that would completely circle the building. He did not
know if that was the best alternative, because there are Yesidences all along
there.
Mr. Johanson stated he was sitting on the Planning Commission 15-17 years ago,
and he was the one who made the motion not to allow access onto Lyric Lane.
However, at that time, the area was being zoned for apartments, and now it is
a nursing home. He stated there is a real need for the access, and parking
PLANflING COMNIISSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 198� PAGE 4
is a real problem. He'stated they could be very proud of the parents and
relatives who visit the older people in the nursing home and getting in and out
of the nursing home is very hard. At this time, they cannot drive up to the
front door. They have to drive to the back of the building and walk around
to the front door.
Mr. Johanson stated there really is no outside xecreation area for the residents,
and`--tie could not see where this would hurt the neighbors on the other side.
He felt they have done a good job with screening, and what they have done in
protecting the neighbors should speak quite we11.
Ms. Schnabel stated she had read all the minutes and information attached to
the agenda, and she could find no reference where it specifically stated that
there shall be no access off Lyric Lane.
Ms. Hughes stated that on page 19 of the agenda (Regular Council meeting of
OcC. 21, 1968, page 24), there is a motion made by Councilman Samuelson to
"coacur with the Board of Appeals with the exception that the egress and exit
should be on Madison St, and upon submitting more canplete plans showing just
what land was involved". She thought that sounded like a stipulation. She
wondered if the Planning Commission couldn't proceed on the basis that there
was such a stipulation. Did Mr. Sohanson agxee thare was a stipulation of no
egress onto Lyric Lane?
Mr. Johauson stated he did remember the stipulation, but did not remamber the
dates.
Mr. Harris asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to speak
to the item.
Mr, Buhn, 7573 Lyric Lane, stated he thought he was at the meetings when that
stipulation was made that there be no egress onto Lyric Lane. He didn't think
the traffic has decreased any on Lyric Lane and felt that a driveway into the
nursing home wwld only increase the traffic. He was in complete agreement
with the nursing home wanting a nice area outside for the residents, but why
clutter it up with a driveway?
Mr. Johanson stated that to put in a circle driveway, they would have to come
in off Madison and go a11 around the building. They would like to be able to
have some of the people come in off Lyric Lane, discharge a resident at the
front door, drive to the parking lot, and exit onto Madison. They are having
very heavy traffic access on Madison because of Unity HospiCal and the doctors'
parking lot. Because of the nuYSing home's small parking lot, a lot of people
are parking on the street and in the hospital parking lot in order to visit
parents ar friends. He really did not believe the access onto Lyric Lane would
increase traffic on Lyric Lane.
Ms, Nielsen, 7583 Lyric Lane, stated she lives almost across the street from
the proposed driveway. Right now they have more traffic than they can bear.
Unity Aospital has an entrance onto Lyric Lane which is supposedly an employees'
parking lot, and that traffic is heavy during the changes in shifts. She
PLANNiNG COM�ffSSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 6
Ms. Judlicki stated it would be 4-5 residents at the most. This access would
also be easier for outings when they hire a bus or a van, because it would
be easier for the residents to get on and off a bus.
Mr. Barsness,7589 Lyric-Lane, sCated he was concerned about the traffic. They
would like to think of Lyric Lane as a residential street, and now it was in
danger of being a too heavily traveled street. He stated he also had a second
concern not yet mentioned and that was the fact Chat directly east of the
nursing hame is a large apartment complex. The apartment complex has a
parking lot running north and south with one entrance onto Osborne. He did
nct live in the neighborhood at the time the complex was built, but he under-
stood that the apartment c�plex also came before the Planning Coumission to
have an access onto Lyric Lane, and that access was denied. He stated there
are still a number o£ cars who use Lyric Lane to get to the apartment complex
parking lot anyway. He stated they do not want to deny anything to the elderly,
but if an access is allowed onto Lyric Lane for Che nursing home, it would be
pretty hard to deny the easement for the people in the apartment complex. The
neighborhood definitely does not want an easement for the apartment complex.
Ms. Hughes stated that if there was a front entrance, was it the intention of
the nursing home to close off the west entrance?
Ms. Judlicki sCated they would not close that enCrance because of the employees
and other people who regularly use it now.
Ms. Schnabel stated she was not totally convinced that putting this driveway
in was going to increase the traffic that much. As she saw it, the driveway
wwld be used on two occasions. One would be foY dropping off the handicapped
or elderly person at the frant door, and the other would be in inclement
weather when there are several passengers in a car and those passengers are
dropped ofE at the front doar. Otherc�ise, if she were a visitor who had a
relative in the nursing home, she would not use the front entrance at a11,
but would always take Madison, park in the lot, and walk to the easiest or
closest entrance. From a practical standpoint, she could not see how this
proposal would increase the traffic that much over what currently existed.
From what she has heard so far, the traffic is really related to hospital
traffic or possible apartment traffic.
Mr. Harris asked how many residents are inthe nursing home.
Ms. Sudlicki sCated there are 129 nursing home residents.
Ms. Hughes asked Ms. Judlicki what happens to the people visiting the residents
who are handicapped.
Ms. Judlicki stated they are dropped off at the west entrance. They have a
handicapped parking slot by the west entrance, but it is on a slope so it is
very difficult for a person handicapped in any way.
Ms. Hughes stated that with the driveway being one-way to the west, this
would require anyone using the driveway to make a left turn off Madison and
a left turn off Lyric Lane unless the traffic was coming from the east on
Lyric Lane. This could be a,dangerous traffic situation if there are people
stacked up to turn left. She was also concerned about whether school buses or
vans could make that turn easily.
PLANN2NG COMhffSSTON MEETING JUNE 4 1980 PAGE 7
Ms. Aielsen stated there was also the problem in the wintertime when the snow
is piled up. This would make visibility very difficult and could be an even
greater danger to the children.
Mr. Buhn stated that Mr. Johanson had said that the reason for enlarging the
nursing home parking 1ot and getting more parking at Unity is because they
can't handle the amount of cars they have now. That has to be proof that the
neighborhood is going to be subject to more traffic than it has now.
Ms. Carroll, 7567 Lyric Lane, stated she lives practically across the street
from the nursing home. Her children walk to school, play and ride bikes in
the street, and she is concerned about the traffic.
Mx. 3ohanson stated that rather than do anything to upset the neighbors across
Yhe street, they would rather do nothing. He has been on the Hospital Board
since the day the City put him on the North Suburban Hospital District. They
have worked wi.th the people on Lyric Lane and have plaated trees and done
everything to keep good relations with the neighbors and would like it to stay
that way. He was concerned about the children also, but he could see a real
benefit to the older people living in the nursing home to have that entrance.
That entrance would be very little used.
Ms. Barsness, 7589 Lyric Lane, stated she was also concerned about the traffic
and the children walking. She works at Unity and walks to work. It is
espeeially dangerous in the wintertime. She is opposed to the access off Lyric
Lane.
Mr. Oquist stated that the concern expressed by Mr. Barsness was something the
Planning C�ission should discuss, and that was regarding the apartment
building complex. If they allow the entrance for the nursing home, they
would have to consider the apartment complex also.
Mr. Treuenfels asked anyone in the audience to answer a question and that was
how much they would estimate the traffic to increase if this particular drive-
way off Lyric Lane was put in?
Ms. Rielsen stated that, after the nursing home addition, she would estimate
an increase of 50 or more cars in a 24 hr. day.
Mr. Su¢�ers stated he agreed with that figure and further stated that most
of those cars would prohably come off Madison, make a left-hand turn onto
Lyric Lane, and a left hand turn into the nursing home driveway, which would
put traffic across the westbound traffic that is coming down Lyric Lane right
now. The comment was made that this would be a one-way entrance, but he felt
that even though you put up signs, people are going to go both directious.
Mr. Harris asked where the deliveries are made now.
Mx. Johanson stated that all deliveries c�e to the rear of the building.
All mail deliveries come to the west entrance.
PLANLaING COI�AffSSION MEETIftG, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 8
Mr. Summexs stated that most of the neighbors have expressed their opinions
that they are concerned about the txaffic. They do not look forward to seeing
a driveway added and not one of them is in favor of the driveway.
Mr. Johanson had already stated that if this was not agreeable to the neighbor-
hood, he would go along with that.
Mr. Johanson stated that, yes, they probably would; however, if they spend
money to go around Che back, they will not have the money to spend on the land-
scaping they had planned. They are trying to do the nicest thing for everyone.
Mr. Langenfeld asked Mr. Johanson that if the driveway was not agreed upon,
how greaY a hardship would it be for.the nursing home?
Mr. Johanson stated they have been planning this for close to a year, and they
would probably try to come up with an alternative plan. They feel there is a
real need for the expansion.
Ms. Hughes asked about the Hospital Board for the nursing home that
Mr. Sohanson had talked about.
Mr. Johanson stated the Hnspital Board consists of three members who run the
nursing home. They are Betty Wall of the North Suburban AospiCal District,
Dean Tollefson of the First National Bank in Blaine, and himself.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr.Langenfeld, to close the public hearing
on SP �80-04 by the Fridley Convalescent Home. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairman Harris declared the public hearing closed at 9:07 p.m.
Ms. Hughes asked if there was enough access to the building for fire
emergencies.
Mr. Boardman stated that fire access is made primarily from the street, and
there is no problem with that.
PLANNTNG COMNIISSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 9
Ms. Hughes stated that it appeared to her that the parking lot that is being
considered to be added only encourages the use of the west entrance in the
back. If they really want to encourage use of the front door, they should
consider using the large area to the east in some kind of a parking lot that
would include a driveway turn-arcund. The concerns of a disturbance to the
nursing home residents by havin� a drive close to them can easily be accommo-
dated on that lot by moving the parking lot away from the residents and having
a large grassy area between the building and the parking lot. They could still
have the drop-off by having a one-way drive that comes in close to Lyric Lane.
This should all be considered by the traffic people.
Mr. Langenfeld stated it was his opinion that the traffic was definitely a
problem. The petitioner has stated he may consider an alternative method.
At this point in time, he could see the feasibility of such a drop-off for
the residents; however, he was inclined to go with the motion to deny entrance
off Lyric Lane.
Mr. Treuenfels stated that one of the reasons for denial in the motion was the
possible precedent they would be setting fror other driveways onto Lyric Lane.
He would like more information on what they would be getting into with some-
thing like this.
Mr. Boardman stated that the reason this driveway petition was brought to the
Planning Cou�ission was because of some questions in the original special use
permit as to whether a driveway would or would not be allowed to Lyric Lane.
In reviewing the previous minutes and information, Staff felt this would
require an amendment to the special use permit approved at that time. That is
why it is before the Planning Commission. He stated that anyone has the right
to have access onto a street. If the apartment building wants access to Lyric
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_ Lane, the Staff would_most likely say "no" to thaC access. There is nothing
in the city codes that can stop that access. It is primarily an administrative
judgment, and if the apartment building disagreed with that judgment, then
they can appeal the staff 3udgment.
Mr. Harris referred to page 15 of the agenda (Minutes of the Board of Appeals,
Nov. 6, 1968) noting the second stipulation in a motion made by himself;
"The new plot plan is agreeable with egress on Madison St." It was the Board
of Appeals feeling at that time, and he has not seen any reason to change that
feeling in the past 12-13 years, that they wanted accesses to the project off
Madison St. because they felt any turuing on Lyric Lane would pxesent a safety
hazard. That was the reasoning for the "no egress" for the apartment building
and the nursing home. Under the present proposal, it was his opinion that the
turning from either direction would create a traffic hazard with the amount of
traffic already on Lyric Lane. It was the Board of Appeals feeling, and was
still his opinion, that they wanted to see uninterrupted traffic flow down
Lyric Lane.
Mr. Boardman stated he had a question which dealt with the code requirements
on setback of parking as compared to setback of driveway. In a driveway
situation, there is no setback from the right-of-way, primarily because that
driveway has access/egress off the street and therefore allows a driveway to
go to the property line. When they run into problems is when a driveway
PLAP]NING COT4IISSION MEETIftG, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 10
becomes pazt of a parking lot and there are no accesses off to the street.
Therefore, they look at it as a sethack of 20 ft. from the property 1ine.
If this driveway is not accessed off onto Lyric Lane, then would [he Planaing
Commission view it still as a driveway or a driveway as part of a parking lot
and therefore have to meet the 20 ft. setback requirement? If it has to meet
a 20 ft. setback requirement, then it cannot be located in the front yard
without a variance. He posed this question for the Planning Co�tission's
consideratfon, because the Planning C�mission may or may not have to act
on it at sometime in the future.
Ms. Schnabel stated that in thinking about the motion, she had decided she
would vote against the motion for the following reasons:
1. She did not think the cixcumstances of the handicapped have been
truly addressed in trying to decide how these people are going to
be easily picked up and dropped off at the nursing home, specifically
if the entrance is not permitted. The petitioners have indicated
they are having difficulty currently with their handicapped people
trying to get them in and out, and she did not think they have really
addressed the needs of those residents of our city. She has had
quite a bit of experience recently with nursing home patients and
can relate to the problems these people are experiencing in trying
to provide a11 services to their residents. She found the best
argument against the driveway was the argument of additional deliveries,
the mail, United Parcel Service, etc. She agreed with that concern,
but pexhaps those issues could be solved by specifically delineating
special areas for package deli�eries, other than mail.
2. In talking about putting one driveway on that side of the street,
they fail to realize that across the street each one of the people
in the audience represents a driveway that does come out on Lyric
Lane, maybe another ten driveways caming out on that side of Lyric
Lane, with the same situations existing--that there are children
walking in the street, there is traffic, and the many other things
brought up at the meeting. Because of that, she felt it was hard to
£ind a real reason not to provide the access to the nursing home via
only one driveway. She could not, in good conscience, deny the
nursing home that easy access.
Mr. Wharton stated he agreed with Ms. Schnabel and would also vote against the
motion. He felt this driveway off Lyric Lane is a very prudent driveway.
He felt the petitioners have shown a need and he has not been convinced during
the meeting that the traffic is going to increase on Lyric Lane to any degree
over what residences on the nursing home side of the street would have or
what he has on the other side of his street by having residents who back their
cars out of the driveways. Children run a much greater risk by having neighbors
across the street with driveways into each home than he felt the residents
along Lyric Lane would have with one driveway across from them going into
the property only.
PLANHING COIMiCSSION MEETIftG, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 11
Mr. Wharton stated that the idea of a driveway going wer to the east end of
the property with a cul-de-sac or parking lot is not going to be a convenience,
because cars out of necessity would be going east, discharging their passengers
on the south side of the driveway. The passengers would have to walk across
the driveway to get into the building, or else the car would have to proceed
to the cul-de-sac to turn around and come back west to discharge the passenger.
This could be more of a hazard than a benefit.
Mr. Oquist stated he did-not think the question had been answered about the
precedent setting regarding the possibility of the apartment complex wanCicSg
access onto Lyric Lane.
Mr. Harris stated that from a practical standpoint, he felt if they start
allowing accesses, they wi11 be setting a precedent. Staff can say "no", but
the apartment people sti11 have the right to come in and ask for a variance or
mitigation of the circumstances.
Ms. Schnabel stated she disagreed with that. It was a completely different
situation with a whole different set of hardships. The apartment complex
would, in effect, be creating a whole new street from Lyric Lane to Osborne,
which would be a completely different situation from that of the nursing home.
Mr. Boardman agreed with Ms. Schnabel. He stated there are two completely
different situations with two different procedures--a variance procedure
requires proof of a hardship, whereas, under a special use permit, no hardship
is required.
Mr. Langenfeld stated this was a very difficult thing to make a decision on.
He was very much aware of the needs of the handicapped people by nature of
his profession. It was his hope that some alternative decision might be made
that would meet the needs of the citizens as we11 as the handicapped and the
nuraing home.
Ms. Hughes stated she works with handicapped p ersons every day and is we11
acquainted with some of the problems they have in gaining access to buildings.
She did not think any of the considerations suggested in the motion were an
imposition on the handicapped. What the petitioners presented was not infox�a-
tion about how desperately they needed access for the handicapped,with the
exception that they don't want them caming in the west door because of the
problems mentioned. She felt it was not the Planning Commission's job to plan
the access to the building, but to let the petitioner go back and make some
new plans and arrangements.
UPON A
AND LANGENFELD VOTING AYE
Mr. Harris thanked everyone for coming and stated this would go before the
City Council on June 16.
PLANNiNG COPSffSSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 12
Ms. Hughes stated she would suggest that the Energy Coum�ission meet with
someone from Unity Hospital to encourage carpooling and vanpooling by their
employees.
(Ms. Hughes left the meeting at 9:48 p.m.)
Chairman Harris declared a ten-minute recess at 9:49 p.m.
6. CO^-�TINUBD: PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAETSR 205. ZONLNG
Page 50
205.12 P DISTRICT REGULATIONS
205.121 Uses Permitted
Mr. Harris stated that at the last meeting, there was svme discussion regarding
Item 1, Principal Uses, and that some of these uses should require a special
use permit. He had suggested that the Commissioners think about this and
bring back suggestions and concerns at this meeting.
Ms. Schnabel stated that since this particular item did refer to parks and
the development of parks, she would like to delay the item until Ms, Hughes
could be present to disauss the item.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table discussion on
"Principal Uses in P District Regulations" unYil such a time as Ms. Hughes
can be present for the discussion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
Page 51
205.122, 205.123, 205.124, 205.125
�61. Change "any other district" to "those districts"
Page 52
205.13 C-1 DISTRICT REGULATIONS
205.131 Uses Permitted
3-D. Change to -"Banks, financial institutions, and other uses having
drive-in facilities."
205.133 Lot Requirements and Setbacks
1. Lot Area - should read: "Minimum lot area of 20,000 square feet is required."
Delete "Lot Width" - Item 2
PLANt7ING C(k4ffSSI0N MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 13
Page 53
205.135 Parking Requirements
��1. Delete "and that those stalls be provided upon request of the City when
and if a parking problem occurs".
Ms. Schnabel suggested that "at the dis�retion of the City" b� insexted after
"reduction of parking stalls would be allowed".
Page 54
�62. "Will be required" should be changed to "will be provided"
Delete all of first Item ��4, "Design Requirements"
Page 55
�k4-F-1. "minimum should be changed to "maximum"
Page 56
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Wharton, to delete �k4-H "Parking
stall designation." Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harris
declared the motion carried unanimously.
Page 56
' Change all of Item I as follows;
I. Loading Docks
J. Change "Zoning Administrator" to "City"
K. "to be approved by the Zoning Administrator" should be changed=to
"to be approved by the City"
�k5. Change "Zoning Administrator" to "City" and delete "stxiping" in 8th 1ine.
205.136 Performance Standards
4k1-A, Put a period after "zoning" in first sentence. Add Item B as follows:
"The City Council shall require a Special Use Permit for any exterior
storage if it is demonstrated that such storage is a hazard to public
health, safety, and general welfare.
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PLANNING COI�AffSSION MEETING, JUNE 4, 1980 PAGE 14
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to continue discussion on
Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
The Planning Commission set Monday, June 9th, at 7:30 pm,as a special meeting
to discuss Chapter 205. Zoning.
MOTION by Mr. Wharton, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to adjourn the meeting.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chaixman Harris declared the June 4, 1980,
Planning Coum�ission meeting adjourned at 11:12 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lyn Saba
Recording Secretary
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SPECIAL PLANNtNG CONI�IISSION MEETING, JUNE 9, 1980
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairman Harris called the Special Planning Coumiission meeting of June 9, 1980,
to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Atembers Present: Mr. Harris, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld, Ms. Hughes,
Mr. Oquist, Mr. Wharton
Members Absent: Mr. Treuenfels
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
CONTINUED; PROPOSED CHANGES TO CHAPTER 205. ZONlNG
Page 50
205.12 P DISTRICT REGULATTONS
205.121 Uses Pexmitted
Mr. Harris stated it was his feeling that all of Item �kl-B (public parks,
playgrwnds, aChletic fields, golf courses, airports, parking area) should
require a special use permit when improvements are made, because he felt
these improvements impacted the neighborhoods. He stated thaC at the last
Planning Commission meeting, this item was tabled until Ms. Hughes could be
present to express her feelings.
MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to remove the item from the
table. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairman Harxis declared the motion
carried unanimously.
Ms. Hughes stated she has problems with special use permits. The philosophy
of public use without a public hearing is that the determination is made
somehow that it is for the overall public good, and the body making that
determination can put the proposed facility wherever that body chooses.
Those considerations are considerations of noise, traffic, etc., but iahen
you start naming how that decision is made, all those things are what are
normally required and expected in a public hearing.
Mr. Boardman questioned at what stage should public hearings be held--at a
master plan stage or at the actual development stage, and to what extent should
they control it?
Ms. Hughes stated she did not think they could be effective unless they kept
track of every stage from very early on up. She really felt it meant a series
of public hearings.
SPECIAL PLANI�ING COhIl�fiSSION MEETING, JUNE 9, 1980 PAGE 2
Mr. Boardman stated he did not see where they would want to have public
hearings on public improvements in the Zoning Ordinance, because he felt the
public hearing stage should be a lot sooner than those improvements.
Ms. Schnabel agreed that she did not think the Zoning Ordinance was the place
to write in the demand for public hearings. Mayhe this is the kind of thing
that should be turned wer to the Charter Co�ission and 1et them review it.
Mr. Harris stated he did not care how it was done as long as it got done.
The Planning Commission c wld have the Charter Co�ission review public
hearings and submit a report back to the Planning Coum�ission. He asked
Mr. Boardman to write a letter to the Charter Commission for the Planning
Cou�ission's signature.
Mr. Boardman stated he would check with the City Attorney to make sure the
Charter Commission was the right place for this to go.
#1-F. The Co�ission asked Mr. Boardman to rewrite this paragraph to make
the meaning more clear.
Page 57
205.13 C-1 DISTRICT REGULATIOIdS
205.136 Performance Standards
�k3. Screening - Same changes as in R-3 District Regulations
�3-C-1. Change to read: "Any off-street parking area which has more than
4 spaces and adjoins a residential zone."
�k3-D. Change to read: "All loading areas must be located in the rear or
side yards, and be screened from public right-of-ways
or adjacent residential zones with
a 6 foot minimum solid screening fence."
Page 58
��3-H. Change "except solar collectors" to "alternating energy devices"
Page 59
9�5. Landscaping
Mr. Harris stated that it was his concern that with so many restrictions on
small C-1 lots, it could make them literally unbuildable.
Mr. Boardman stated that the Planning Commission might want to consider __
putting_a percentage on a building permit on the cost of construction that
would go into landscaping. Some other communities have been doing this.
Right now Staff has control over the landscaping, but it gets done unevenly.
SPECIAL PLANN'ING COM[�ffSSION MEETING, JUNE 9, 1980 PAGE 3
Mr. Harris stated he could understand Mr, Boardman's point in wanting some
guidelines, but there has to be some sensible point to control landscaping.
Ms. Hughes stated she thought there was a real limit to what could be done.
She objected to too many requirements,but she could appreciate that Fridley
is a mature cammunity and intexested in some of the amenities. She did not
think it should be left to the discretion of the staff, because it did get
applied unevenly. She could appreciate Staff's reasoning for wanting some
standards to go by. She was willing to say a minimum figure in the building
permit, because that probably would be negotiated anyway.
Mr. Boardman stated he was really concerned about the people who plan the
cost of a building but don't plan for the cost of the landscaping. If some-
thing was in the books that said a percentage of the construction cost is
going towards landscaping, it forces them to have to plan ahead.
Ms. Schnabel stated she has always been very strong on landscaping. Besides
providing the amenities, it is good taste, and as a co�unity, they should
start encouraging good taste. Landscaping reflects a community that has gone
beyond the growing stages and begins to show roots. She felt strongly that
landscaping should be required, but she was not sure there should be a dollar
figure or even a percentage put on it.
Ms. Hughes stated there were three options in requiring landscaping: (1) putting
a percentage on the building permit; (2) a minimum set of dollar figures; or
(3) leaving as is with total control by the City.
Mr. Boardman stated he thought 1�% of the total construction costs would be
a good figure for landscaping.
The Planning Co�ission concurred with 1'�% of the total construction costs as
a requirement for landscaping.
Mr. Boardman stated he would write that into Item 4k5-B.
Ms. Schnabel stated it should also be termed "natural landscaping" to avoid
artificial landscaping.
�k5-D. Change "facilities" to "access"
�k7. Essential Services - same changes as R-3 District Regulations
Page 60
205.14 C-2 DISTRICT REGIILATIONS
205.141 Uses Permitted
��1-M. Change to read: "Other retail or wholesale sale or services which
deal directly with the customer for whom the good
or services are fumished and are similar to those
specifically allowed above,"
SPECIAL PLANNlNG COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 9, 1980 PAGE 4
9�2-A. Delete "Signs"
Page 61
ik3-E. Change "should" to"must" in the second line.
#3-E-1. Put a period after "definition" and delete rest of paragraph.
Delete 4k3-E-2, �k3-E-3, and ik3-E-4.
Page 62
Delete 4�3-E-8.
�k3-H. Change to read: "Facilities which may require exterior storage of
materials."
Page 63
��3-J-2. Delete "the building sha11 be air conditioned"
�64-B. Change "sha11 be required" to "may be required"
Mr. Boardman stated the bike rack requirement should be include d in all
co�ercial and industrial districts.
204.142 Uses Excluded
�61-A. Change to read: "A minimum lot aYea of 20,000 sq. ft. is required."
Page 64
205.145 Building Requirements
Delete ��1-B
Page 65
205.146 Parking Requirements
�kl. Same change as C-1 District Regulations
Delete ik3-I, J, K, L as it is out of order.
Page 67-68
$4-F. Change "minimum" to "maximum"
�4-I, J, K, L- Same changes as C-1 District Regulations
4k5. Parking Lot Petmit - Same changes as C-1 Distr3ct Regulations
SPECIAL PLANNiNG COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 9, 1980 PAGE 5
205.147 Performance Standards
dF1-A. Same as C-1 District Regulations
Page 69
�{3-A & B. Same changes as R-3 District Regulations
�F3-C & D. Same changes as R-3 District Regulations
Page 70
��3-H. "except solar collectors" changed to "alternate energy devices" -
Same as C-1 District Regulations
page 71
��5-B. Same change as C-1 District Regulations
��7-A & B. Same changes as R-3 District Regulations
Pages 72-80
205.15 C-3 DISTRICT REGULATIONS
Mr. Boardman stated the C-3 Districts were a1L of Che previous C-25 zones.
He would incorporate the same changes as per C-2 District Regulations.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to continue discussion
on Proposed Changes to Chapter 205. Zoning. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting
aye, Chairman Harris declared the motion carried unanimously.
ADJOIIRN[�NT :
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Wharton, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, a11 wting aye, Chairman Aarris declared the June 9, 1980,
Special Planning Co�ission meeting adjourned at 10:06 p.m.
Respectfully s bmitted,
�
L e Saba
Recording Secretary
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