PL 09/16/1981 - 30563;�
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, �EPTEMBER 16, 1981
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the September 16, 1981, Planning Comnission meeting
to order at 7:38 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Harris, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Svanda, Mr. Oquist, Mr. Kondrick,
Ms. van Dan, Mr. Saba
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Bill Deblon, Associate Planner
Mark Haggerty, 6441 University Ave. N.E.
Ed and Carol Holm, 581 Buffalo St. N.E.
Erland Thor, 7325 University Ave. N.E. "
Dale Hadtrath, 5285 Taylor St. N.E.
Steve Bren, 641 Buffalo St. N.E.
Garland Lagesse� Jr., 7951 Broad Ave. N.E.
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APPROVAL OF AUGUST 19, 1981, PtANNING _COMINISSION f�INUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OpUIST, SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 19� 1981�
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEAI.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1-. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIMI�A6�Y P�;:ATg P,So #81-03,
ES S� B�R ��C�RI I S: eing a rep at o o s 5, s�r� ,
ucia ane �tion, genera y ocated in the Northeast corner of Highway #65
and Mississippi Street N.E.
Mr. Deblon stated the Commission members had a copy of a letter from the
petitioners asking that this item be tabled for two weeks to one m�nth.
Mr. Deblon recommended that this item be tabled until the Oct. 7 P�anning
Commission meeting.
MOTION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN, TO RECEIPI� THE LET�'Egt DATED
SEPZ' . 9� 19 81, FROM DE'24NIS L. EWIN6 ; AND RICAARD I2IERSGORD� AND TO TABLE TEE
CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT� P.S..#81-03, UNTIL THE OCT. 7� 1981,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL �OTING AYE, CBAIRPlAfl NARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
n UNANIMOUSLY.
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PLANNING CONUIISSION MEETING,�SEPTENI6ER�16, 1981 PAGE 2
2. PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING RE UEST, ZOA #81-04, BY MARK HAGGERTY: Rezone
B oc , R.L.S. , from -2 eavy industria areas , to C-2 (general
business areas), to allow the construction of a commercial office building,
located in the South Half of Section 11, the same being 350 73rd Avenue N.E.
MOTION BY �2. SVANDA� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
ZOA �81-04 BY MARIC HAGGERTY.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, QYAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC SEARING
OPEN AT 7:44 P.M.
Mr. Deblon stated that Staff has looked at this design from a land use standpoint,
and Staff does not have any problem with the rezoning. Staff feels this type of
use is better than what could be built under M-2.
Mr. Deblon stated the overall site plan had some problems with the traffic flow
and accessibility because of the nature of the drive-in type bank. He handed out
a design that Staff felt was a more proper design for the site for traffic
patterns, etc. �ie stated the.petitioner's initial proposal has only one driveway,
and Staff felt there would b.e a lot of congestion because of the ingress and
egress of the auto bank. Staff felt it would be better to turn the building to
face the frontage road and then have three driveways with a separate driveway �,
for the auto bank traffic to exit out onto the service road. '
Mr. Haggerty, 6431 University Ave. N.E., stated this request is in his name. In
this juncture, they have a tenant who has already approved the site and the loca-
tion. Th�s is a bank in the area, but the bank would prefer to remain nameless
at this time. The other tenant will most likely be his law firm which will
relocate in this building. He stated those are the two main anchor tenants.
Mr. Haggerty stated they had no objection to Staff's groposal to the three
entrances or to the switching of the bank building 45 . They would like to retain
as many parking spaces as possible and the flexibility to go three stor:es, pro-
vided they retain the same ratio of parking per square foot as in their initial
request. He stated it is possible they will be breaking ground this year if
things go smoothly and they can put the rest of the package together.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Haggerty if he had any elevations of the proposed building.
Mr. Haggerty stated he did not at this time. He stated they were waiting for
some feedback from Staff in order to take the changes back to their architect.
The primary problem is traffic flow and now that they have a feel for what Staff
wants, they can work on that. He stated another consideration with the three
stories is that they may have some soil problems that will not support three
stories. They have been told this by the City �ngineering Dept,
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Mr. Haggerty stated the main thing right now is the rezoning, and they are
asking for the flexibility on the rezoning to go from two stories to three
stories and still stay within the same parki�g ratio with this plan so they
come within the City guidelines.
Mr. Erland Thor, 7325 University Ave. N.E., stated he owns one of the double
bungaloes and is concerned about the traffic flow that will be coming onto 73rd
Ave. It is bad enough now going around the service road and getting onto 73rd.
Mrs. Erland Thor stated the main problem is University Ave. She stated there
are no left turn lanes on 73rd crossing Univ. Ave. She works at Minco and now
with the new Paco office building, the.traffic coming out of there is terrible,
and there have been a lot of accidents.
Mr. Thor stated that with more traffic from the new bank and office, there is
going to be total chaos.
Mr. Harris stated the traffic from the bank could either exit onto University or
it cauld take the service road past the ice arena to 69th Ave.
Mr. Haggerty stated that one thing Staff considered is that by turning the
building around, there may be a lot of people going out the other direction so
�"1 it may be splitting the traffic up in both directions.
Mr. Harris stated that one thing he did not like about Staff's configuration
is that on business days, they are going to have a problem with stacking on the
frontage road to get onto 73rd. His concern was with the short distance from
the northerly driveway to the intersection.
Ms. Gabel suggested that the northerly driveway be an entrance only.
Mr. Haggerty stated he could see no problem with that. The second driveway
could be both an entrance and exit, and the southerly driveway could be an exit
only. �
Mr. Svanda stated it seemed to him that the traffic flow in Staff's plan is
just going to be a mess. In fact, he might not even bank there because of it.
He suggested that they go back to the petitioner's original plan for the
building, but that the traffic flow be reversed so that the traffic flow to the
auto bank is not going through the parking lot.
Mr. Haggerty stated that it may work out best to bring the traffic in the
northerly driveway and through the auto bank. The auto bank traffic would not
come through the parking lot, and then all the traffic would exit out the
southerly driveway. The northerly driveway could be an entrance only. They
may even be able to add some more parking.
^ Mr. Harris stated that Mr. Haggerty should check with the County to see if the
County has any plans for a left turn lane at 73rd arrd University. With the ice
arena, the City Garage, the park, and now this building, a lot of traffic will
be generated in this area.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 16, 1981 PAGE 4 ,.,,�
MOTION BY �2. SABA, SECONDED BY A?R. OQUIST, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON
ZOA #81-04 BY MARK EAGGERTY.
UPON A VOICE VO1'E, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN XARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC EEARING
CLOSED AT 8:38 P.M.
Mr. Harris stated he had one basic problem. The Planning Cor�anission is being
asked to rezone this property on faith without a guarantee that this structure
will be built on this property. He felt the office building and the bank will
be an asset to the City of Fridley. He stated the problem is (and it has happened
before) that after a property is rezoned, for one reason or another, the proposal
isn't carried through and then there is a parcel of land that is rezoned for a
multitude of other uses that may not be as desirable on that particular piece of
land.
Mr. Haggerty stated there should be a stipulation made that states that the
rezoning is contingent on the building of an office building on this site and
thai the rezoning will not be approved until the building permit is pulled.
MOTION BY 1�. OpUIST� SECONDED BY l�2. KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #81-04, BY MARK HAGGERTY TO REZONE BLOQC A,
R.L.S. #78� FROM M-Z (HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREAS), TO C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS),
TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING� LOCATED IN THE SOUTH
HALF OF SECTION I1, THE SAME BEING 350 - 73RD AVENUE N.E., WITH THE FOLLOWING �'"��
STIPUIIATIONS :
Z. TBAT THE OFFICE BUILDING PROPOSED BY 1�2. HAGGERTY BE CONSTRUCTED '
ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT THE REZONING NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THE
BUILDING PERMIT IS PULLEDj
2. '1'HAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW BE WORKED OUT AS DISCUSSED WITH TXE STRUCTURE
TO BE POSITIONED PER 1�2. HAGGERTY'S BUILDING PLAN WI2`H THE NORTHERLY
DRIVEWAY TO BE AN ENTRANCE O1VLY AND THE SOUTHERLY DRIVEWAY TO BE ARI
EXIT ONLY. IF THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE, THEN STAFF'S PROPOSAL SHOULD BE
WORKED OUT.
Mr. Harris stated that three stories is allowed by the zoning code and it will
be tied in with the building permit.
Mr. Svanda stated he liked Mr. Haggerty's proposal as the motion stated with
the one entrance and the one exit, and he did not like Staff's proposal because
of the traffic patterns.
UPON A VOI�CE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN AARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Harris stated that ZOA #81-04 will go to City Council on September 28 for
setting the public hearing. The public hearing at City Council wi11 be on
Oct. 19.
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3.
DALE V. HADTRATH: Per Section 205.1574, Paragraph 4, of the Fridley
ity Code, to a ow the construction of a single family dwelling in a
CRP-2 Zone (flood fringe), located �n Lots 13, 14, and 15, Riverview
Heights, the same being 7919 Broad Ave. N.E.
MOTION BY 1�2. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO OPEN TBE PIIBLIC BEARIIVG ON
SP �B.I-09� BY DALE V. XADTRATH.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL. VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HAR,RIS DECLARED TSE PUBLIC iiE.�12ZING
OPEN AT 8:45 P.M.
Mr. Deblon stated the petitioner plans to build a single family dwelling in a
CRP-2 Zone (flood fringe). The City has adopted a flood plain ordinance that
allows the building in the flood fringe with a special use permit and other
flood proofing measures. The major measure is to fill the property until it
is one foot above the flood elevation; in this case, that elevation is 823.7 ft.
Mr. Harris asked about a drainage plan. He stated his only concern is drainage
out of the property.
Mr. Garland Lagesse, 7951 Broad St. N.E., stated he was concerned about the
� � question of liability if drainage problems do exist, and he was also concerned
about encroachment problems.
Mr. Harris suggested�that the house be shifted toward Broad St. to within
17.5 ft. of the street. Then the petitioner can fill around the whole structure
and slope it so that all the water is drained off the property. This wou�d
solve Mr. Lagesse's concerns.
MOTION BY MS. GABEL, SECOIVDED BY !�. SABA, TO CLOSE TFIE PUBLIC EEARING ON
SP N81-09 BY DALE V.qEADTRATB.
UPO1V A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN BARRIS DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING
CLOSED AT 9:40 P.M.
Mr. Oquist stated that if a drainage plan is prepared and that plan is acceptable,
this seemed like a very worthwhile and attractive home. .
MOTIOIV BY MR. OQUIST � SECONDED BY MR. KOAIDRIQC, TO RECOMMEAID TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT� SP #81-09, BY DALE V. HADTRATX: PER SECTION
205.1574� PARAGRAPFi 4� OF THE FRIDIIEY CITY CODE� TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF
A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN A CRP-2 ZONE (FLOOD FRINGE), IACATED ON LOTS Z3, 14,
AND 15, RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS, THE SAME BEING 7919 BROAD Al7ENUE N.E., WITH TBE
STIPULATIOIV TXAT A DRAINAGE P�AN BE PROVIDED AND THAT TNE PETITIONER WORK WITH
CITY STAFF TO ENSURE PROPER DRAINAGE AND THE PROPER I�CATION OF THE HOUSE ON
TEE PROPERTY. .
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, UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN S�IRRIS DEC�ARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 16, 1981 PAGE 6
Mr. Harris stated SP #81-09 would go to City Council on September 28, and he
would r�commend that Mr. Hadtrath have all the necessary plans prepared by that
time.
4. VACATION REQUEST, SAV #81-03, BY BURTON H. SCHERVEN: By Petition #9-1981,
to vacate 66th Avenue N.E, between Pierce Street and Lucia Lane.
Mr. Deblon stated that at this time, the land is being used for gardens which is
probably the best use of the land at this time. He stated that NSP has requested
that the City retain �0 ft. for a utility easement, and the City is requesting
about 30 ft. be retained for a drainage easement. Staff is recommending that
this entire area be retained for utility and drainage easements.
MOTION BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY 1�2. SABA, TO RECEIVE TEE LETTER DATED SEPT. 15, 198I,
FROM NSP REpUESTING A UTILITY EASEMENT.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, QiAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOfiION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Oquist questioned why this area isn't made into a street so that there is �
another way to get off Lucia Lane, rather than having to come all the way back
to Mississippi St. Lucia Lane is about 2-3 blocks long. He stated there are �
only four people listed on the petition that are directly affected, but what
about the other people in the area?
Mr. Harris stated he understood what Mr. Oquist was saying, but there does not
seem to be any problems: �
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF VACATION REQUEST, SAV�f81-03, BY BURTON H. SCHER�IEN: BY PETITION
#9-Z981, TO VACATE 66T1i AVENUE N.E. BETWEEN PIERCE STREET AND LUCIA LANE� WITH
THE STIPULATION THAT THE CITY RETAIIV THE WHOLE 50 FT. FOR UTILITY AND DRAINAGE
EASEMENTS .
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN XARRIS DECLARED TXE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
5. CONTINUED: REVIEW OF CHAPTERS_ 3_O1, 302, AND_ 303 BY REQUEST OF
� T E CITY COUNCIL
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY M12. SABA, TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE
NEXT MEETING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTIIVG AYE� CHAIRMAN SAR.RIS DECLARED THE MOTIOAI CAR.RIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE AUGUST 11, 1981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: �.
MOTION BY 1�ZR. GABEZ� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST� TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 11� 198Z, -
APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOATE� ALL VO!'ING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEf�BER 16, 1981 ___ PAGE_ 7_ _
7. RECEIVE AUGUST 13, 1981, HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MINUTES:
MOTIOIV BY �2. OpUIST, SECONDED BY !�. SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 13, 1981,
HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AiiTHORITY MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CBAIRMAN btARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
8. RECEIVE AUGUST 18, ]981, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY �. SVANDA, SECONDED BY MR. SABA, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 18� 1981,
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES.
Mr. Svanda stated the major thing the Commission is looking at is getting some-
thing going with recycling of garbage and solid waste. He stated City Staff
will be getting in touch with the MPCA about the possibility of grant money
being available to set up a demonstration project in the City of Fridley.
Mr. Saba stated that at the Energy Commission's last meeting, the Energy Commission
viewed the video tape, "The Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis", by
Albert Bartlett, Professor of Physics, University of Colorado. He stated that
�� would be an excellent video tape for the Environmental Quality Co�nission, because
one of Professor Bartlett's conclusions was that people better start recycling
everythir��..
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Svanda to keep the Planning Commission up to date on the
status of Well #12.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN FIARRIS DEC�ARED TNE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
9. RECEIVE AUGUST 20� 1981, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. VAN DAN� TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 20� 1981�
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED TBE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
10. RECEIVE AUGUST 25, 1981, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTI02V BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY l�t. SVANDA, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 25� 198Z,
APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES.
.Ms. Gabel stated that the Appeals Corr�nission is recommending a change to
Chapter 214, Section E, Paragraph 5, of the Fridley City Code on "Distance from
!� Street Intersections".
Ms. Gabel stated this was the result of a problem with Naegele over the inter-
pretation of intersections. In order to take care of problems with the inter-
pretation of intersections in the zoning code, they are recorranending this change.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTE�BER 16, 1981 PAGE 8
Ms. Gabel stated the Appeals Commission would like the Planning Commission to
concur with their recommendation on this change.
MOTION BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED 8Y MR. SABA� TO CONCUR WITA THE APPEALS COMMISSIDN'S
RECOMMENDATION AND TO REC�MME1Vi,D TO CITY - e0T1NCIL ' 2'EAT THE FOLEOWING CSANGE BE MADE
�'D CHAPPER 214� SECZ'ION E� PARAGRAPN 5� OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODEs
"5. DISTANCE FROM INTER5ECTIONS: NOT CLOSER TAAN FIVE HUNDRED (500)
FEET TO TXE INTERSECTIDN OF ANY STREET� EIGHWAY� OR R�1MP WHERE
TRAFFIC CROSSES OR MERGES AT THE SAME ELEVATION. (SAID DISTAATCE
TO BE MEASURED FROM TIiE INTERSECTING CENTERLINES.)"
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTINC AYE� CAAIRMAN HARRIS DECl1ARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
1�. RECEIVE AUGUST 25, 1981, ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY �2. SABA� SECONDED BY l�t. OQUIST, TO RECEIVE THE AUGUST 25, 1981,
ENERGY COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE. VOTE� A�L VOTING AYE, CHAIRMAN HARRIS DEC�ARED TSE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
12. RECEIVE SEPTEMBER 3, 1981, HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. VAN DAN� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO RECEIVE THE SEPTEMBER 3, 1981,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CEAIRMAN HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
13. OTHER BUSINESS:
Cancellation of September 30, 1981, Meeting
Mr. Deblon stated there are no items for the September 30 Planning Commission
meeting, and he would recommend that this meeting be cancelled.
MOTION BY MIt. SABA� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST� TO CANCEL THE SEPTEINBER 30� 198Z�
P7�ANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN SARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT:
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MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL, TO ADJOURN THE MEETINla. UPON A VOICE
VOTE� ALL VO1'ING AYE� CHAIRMI•1N HARRIS DECLARED THE SEPTEMBER 16� 1981� PLANNING �
COMMI5SION MEETIAIG ADJOURNED AT 10:50 P.M.
Respectfully subm ted,
Lynn Saba, Recording Secretary