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PL 05/08/1985 - 306326 CITY OF FRIDLEY RLANNING -COM�IISSI(1N'MEET-ING,-.MAY .8., 1.985. ................ .. ,......................... CACL TO ORDER: Chairwvoman Schnabel called the May 8, 1985, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:33 p.m. RULL CALL: Members Present: Ms. Schna6el, Mr. Oquist, Mr. Minton, Mr. Nielsen, Mr. Saba, Mr. Kondri ck Members Absent: Ms. Gabel Others Present: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator Betty Wall, 5425 Qui.ncy St. N.W. �ackie Judlic[ci, Fridley Convalescent Home Lance Lindman, 4565 3rd St. N.E. Robert McAdam, 7580 Alden Way N.E. See attacE�ed 1 i.st _ _ .. .. ... . ... .............. ...... .. � APPROVAC ' OF'APRIk: `3; 'i�9��; ' PL'.aN�tfi�C, �C4N�1fiSS�pl�'N1�I�L��FES: � ' N102'ION BY MR. KONDRICK� S�CONDED BY MR. SABA� TO APPROVE THE APRIZ 3� Z985, �� PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES. Mr. Minton stated that on page 14, paragraph 1, t[�e words "she stated" shou7d be deleted. . UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN 5CHNABEL DECLARED THE MINUTES APPROVED AS AMENDED. 1. PUBCIC HEARIN�: �COI�SIDERATION�OF A SPECIAL US� PERMIT, SP #85-03, . er ec 1on .,, C, 6' of t e Fridley City Cvde to allow park�ng lot expans�on on Lot l, Block 1, Maple Manor Additlon, the same 6eing J'�90 Lyric Lane N.E. 110�'ZON BY MR. KONDRICK� SECOND�D 8Y MR. NIELSEN� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SP #85-03 FRIDLEY CONVALE5CEIVT NOME� BY BETTY J. W.ALL. UPON A VOICE TIOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAIV SCHNABEL DEC.LARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:35 P.M. Mr. Robinson stated t�is property was located on the northeast corner of Madi.son and Lyric Lane, just east of the Un7ty Hospital complex. The zoning was R-1 or single family. The neighborhood to the sotath was predominately single family, an apartment complex to the east and north, and CR-1 �local) office) just to the north which included the Fridley Medical Clinic property. 6A , ,� PLANNiNG�CO�P�iSSiON��EETiNG;��AY�8;�1985. . . . . . ... . . . . PAr� 2 Mr. Robinson stated the proposal was for a 40-stall narking lot on the east side of the propErty�with access off Lyric Lane and one-way circulation withi� the interior of the parking lot. �here �a�, an existing 39-sta�l parking lot on the west side. - Mr. Robinson stated the P�lanning Commission members had received copies of the June 4, 1980, Planning Commission minutes when there �a� a pu6lic hearing regarding a special use permit for an entrance from Lyri.c Lane because of expansion of the nursing fiome. Key points had 6een highlighted in yellow. City P�anner, Mr. Boardman, had stated that "w�en the nursing home was proposed in 1968, the Planning Commission and City Council recommended a specia] use permit with the determination tf�at there would be no access off Lyric Lane". At that meeting , there was a great deal of discussion and reference was made to the original City Council a�proval that egress and exlt should be on Madison St. T�e special use permit at tFie �7une 4, 1�.80, Pl annfing Commission meeti:ng was recommended denial fiy tF� Planning Commis�i�n �ri tF� reasons, and tFie request was then wfithdrawn at t�e June 16, 1980., City Counci7 meeti,ng. Tonig�.t, t[�is request was really a re�-reques� for tFie �arae proposal . Mr. Robinson stated Staff h�s put taget�e-r w�at t�eyrfeel was one solution which would serve the general needs of t�e Fridley Convalescent Nome and the whole area, and would maintain and con�inue the existing access off Madison St. This would invdlve the removal of t�e existing storage garage area to the north. They would suggest t�at t�e proposed access onto L.yric Lane be closed off and landscaped. Mr. Robinson stated Staff c�a� recomraendi,ng the �Pollo�r►;ng sti:pulat�orts: 1. There be no acces� off Lyric Larte; that tFie acces� be o�f 1Nadi;son St. 2. The-park�ng lot be screened, both from the driveway and the residential property. 3. Any lighting in the parking lot be diffused lighting. 4. There be one-way sfgns placed in the parking lot. 5. Petitioner wor[c with City Engineering on drainag� requirements. Mr. Robinson stated he had recea�ved a telephone call from a resident, Janice Carroll, 7567 Lyric Lane, who could not attend t�is meeting, She lives dtrectly across the street. She stated she was against access off Lyric Lane. She had a pro6lem because of t�e already existing traffic and problem of property values. She was not against t�.e parkfng lot if properly screened and would support the parking lot with access off Madison. Mr. Ro6inson stated the par[cing lot as described v�a� for employee�.only so �6ere r�ouldn4t fie a higfi turn-over of cars �oming and goirig, Mr. Robinson stated one other issue that should be raisedwas the apartment building just to the east, Highland Par� Apartments. There has been comp]aints �n the past of people from the apartment building driving over th� boulevard onto Lyric Lane. It has been suggested that a barricade be put up so they 6B �-,, PrANNING'CO�MISSION'MEETI�G;'�AY'8;'�985 .................. .: ..�.......PAGE 3 cannot continue to do that. One of the fears of the neighborhood is that if access is allowed off Lyric Lane for the Fridley Convalescent Home, they would have a hard time denying a�ermit to the apartment building for the same access off Lyric Lane. There is the concern that the residential quality of the neighborhood would suffer. Mr. Robinson stated City Staff has met on site with people from the nursing home and went over the feasi6ility of moving the garage and putting the driveway through to the proposed east par�ing lot. One of the big concerns of the nursing home was they have a patio area for the residents behind the building, and the driveway would be an intrusion on that passive area. Mr. Saba asked how many people were employed at the Frldley Convalescent Home. Ms. Jackie Judlicki stated she was the Administrator of the Fridley Conva- lescent Home. She stated they have 140 employees. -The maximum�num6er of employees per shift is 50. The s��fts are 6:OQ:a;m. - 2:30.p.ro.; 2:OQ.p.m. - 10:30 p.m.; night s�ift. Ms. Judlicki stated the proposed parKing lot would be an employee parking lot and would be used solely for that purpose. She stated it was very difficult to visualize the real situation at the rear of the building un]ess peo�le had actually been there and looked at it. She stated there is not only a garage, �' but a garbage.col]ectlon area. The property to t�e north slopes down at a great incline, so in order to extend the driveway, a lot of fill would have to be hauled in and some type of retaining wall constructed. They could not go with a single driveway as de�cribed by City Sta�f. At tfa� rear of the building just before the garage, there are double doors. Tha� is the emergency entrance. Also, all de]iveries are made to the rear of the building, so large semi's come in and they can take up the whole driveway for up to 1/2 hour in order to unioad supplies. There would have to be enough room for cars to bypass what- ever vehicle was in the driveway. Ms. Judlicki stated that, as Mr. Robinson had mentioned, they do have a patio area in the rear--a concrete area with nice landscaping that is used not only by the employees, but by �he residents and families of residents. Many family activities are held there. She felt that for the safety of t�e residents, some of whom are very confused, s�e could not envision a driveway rig�t there. Ms. Judlicki stated the existing parking lot does accommodate 39 cars. That is hardly enough for their employees, let alone visitors, doctors, various services coming into the nursing home (such as mobile dental, eye doctor, lab, portable x-ray, etc.). Their emplbyees are parking on t�e street; and at one time, were utilizing Unity Hospital parking lot; but now with the expansion of their facilities, Unity is also crowded for parking. Ms. Judlicki stated t�at many visitors to t�e nursing home are elderly them- selves, and it is very difficult for them to visit their families and friends. ,� The driveway coming off Madison St, for the existing parking lot is coming in at an incline so in th� winter with ice and snow, it is not only an fnconvenience, but also a safety hazard to anyone having to wal� up to t�e 6uilding. 6C � PLANNING'COMMISSION'MEEiI�G;'I�A�'8;�1985 ...... .....:........ . ..PAGE 4 Ms. Judlicki stated the eacpense of putting the driveway t�rough in the rear would probably cost 3-4 times roore than putting � drlv�way in off.Lyric Lane, plus the disruption of their passive patio area and the safety of their t^esi�dents. Mr. Minton asked if a study had been done in-house o�P h�w much additional cost would be incurred by extending the driveway from Madison. Ms. �udlic[ci stated they had not done a study. Ms. Schnabel as[ced haw:tFiey would indicate that_the proposed lot was for employee par[cing only. Ms. Judlicki stated they r�ould have signs indicating it �as an employee par�ing 1ot only. Each employee would have a stic�er. for tF�.e car, and i,t would be monitored through the maintenance department. 1�r. Pfiil Da�il en, 1378 Sky�tood Lane , N, E. , stated �is mot�er �as 6een a pattent at the Fridley Convalesc��-t Nome for 12 years. From t�e existing,driveway froro where it s]ants and goes 6ack to the dou6le doors, t�ere are some blocks t6.at go up to separate the cars that are facing east and the cars that are �`acing west and a7so cars up�against the building. When you are trying to get out o� tEiee double doors area, you have to back in between a set of parked cars �' �u��i is practically-�imposs�ble. He stated there is no other way to turn around in that slant. ]�r. bahlen stated that as to the parking facilities on the west slde of the -ba�ydtng, there is very few par[�ing, spaces for pe�ple li�ke himself coming to vtsZt. T[iee.re is handicapped parfcing on the very� northwest corner where �6e dou�le doors are. He stated that during the winter time, it is physically i'�npossi6le to go upfiill, 6ecause the �xisting parkfng lot is downhill. The employees have to park some place; and if the,employees are taking up parking spaces, there are no parking spaces for visitors except on the street. He s�ated he h�d no intention of parking his car on the street at any time. Mr. Dahlen stated that on the north side of the driveway, it is._all downhill. In•order t� extend the driveway, there would have to be a lot of fill brought in. As far.as the distance, he did not think there could be a 25 ft, driveway in there at all. As far as access off Lyric Lane, cars would not be coming in convoy fashion. It was when the shift ended tha�t there might be a problem, because everyone wants to get out at the same time. The possible solution would be like it is at Northtown, where the cars go in on one side with a littl� bit of an island and comes out on t�e otE�er side, with a right turn only onto Lyric Lane, so no one can cross the street making a left turn going to Jackson St, around 3:00 p.m, in the afternoon. Ms. Carol Basil, 810 Rice Creek Terrace, stated she does go to the nursing home to visit her father and she has yet to be able to park in the par[cing lot. ;� She has either had to parf� on the street or leave and come back later. She 6D . . ._ .. .... ...... ...... .._.. ..._. ...... ...... ...... ...... ..... PLANNING'�OI�MISSION-f�E�TI4VG;'N1AY�`8;'19�5 ..................�...........PAGE 5 would be in fa��or of an additional par[cing lot. The existing dri�eway is very �ar'row, �nd she did not think that would be a good access to the proposed parking lot on the east. Ms. Dorothy Newton, 228 - 104th l.ane N.W., stated she wondered if anyone had taken into consideration the building for the new medical center across the street at Unity Hospital. Because of the construction, the workmen take up a lot of the street parking. She stated she has spoken to people at the Fridley Medical Clinic next door, and they object to visitors from the nursing home parking in their lot. Some of the visitors to the nursing home have to use the church parKing lot. She stated she usually goes to the nursing home between 1:00-2:30 p.m, and usually there is no place to park. She stated her mother has been in the nursing home for 6z years. That is her mother's home. All her mother has to look forward to are her visitors as she cannot get out of bed and cannot walk. Many people who would like to come to the nursing home do not because they cannot wal[c from the street or other parking lots. Ms. Newton stated that on Dec. 28, 1984, there was a fire at the Fridley Convalescent Home. How would the fire engines have gotten across to the east side of the building without a parking lot and driveway if there has been a lot of snow? She stated they have to take the safety factors into consideration, too. �. '` Ms. Newton stated that many cars park�d on the street are parked so close tagether that there are near collisions to c�rs exiting because pe�pl� cannot see someone trying to enter. She stated these are all very bad situa��ons. Ms. Mer1e Herbert stated she lives in Minneapolis. Her mother has lived in the Fridley Convalescent Home for 14 years. She stated she believed when she goes to visit her r�other, she would have the right to park just like any other �rson who visits his/her mother.. She stated that if Ms. Judlicki said things would be kep� up, they could take fier word as the Fridley Convalescent Home is a"home". If D�s. Judlicki tells her staff how to park, they will do what she says. Ms. Frances Frank stated she was an employee at the Fridley Convalescent Home. She stated she felt that the existing parking lot should be for visitors only, and the new parking lot should be for employees only. She did not think i� was good to have access from Madison and have to move the garage or tfie beautiful patio the residents enjoy. Mr. Bruce Barisness, 7589 Lyric Lane, stated he was opposed to tk�e parking lot and to the access onto Lyric Lane. He stated he has been a homeowner on Lyric Lane for 82 years. During that ttme, there has been considerable expan- sion of all the property owned by the North Suburban Hospital District and operated by Health Central, Inc. The size of U�fty is much bigger than.it was 8 years ago. The amount of traffic is much larger than 8 years ago. If they compare the traffic on Lyric Lane to the traffic an any other street in the Melody Manor area, there was a considerable difference. �E PLANNING CO��ISSION MEETING, (�AY��; 1985 PAGE 6 Mr. Barsness stated they have some rapidly expanding businesses on the north side. Home�adners who were there first are on the south side. The homeowners �ant one thing and the businesses:�ant something else. He has not seen any expansi�n plans t�at take into account 6oth the homeoumers and the businesses. �r. Barsness stated he lives across the street from t�e Highland Park Apart- ments. There is a parking.lot there, and he did not need two parking lots across the street from him. One other concern had to do with property values. The value of the homes on Lyric Lane are less than the homes in the interior of Melody Manor. Mr. Bar�ness stated that five years ago there was a proposal by the Fridley Convalescent Home for a U-shaped driveway and expansion o� the structure to the east. There was no mention at that time of a need for more parking, so apparently this additional parking need has arisen since t�at time. Six years ago the nursing home did not have a patio or storage buildin„g on the back side. He- questioned the nursing home's planning. Why weren't these parking problems �oreseen 6efore tFiese tfifngs were put in? l�r, Barsness stated that besides the-traffic, he had some otfa.�r concerns regarding the access onto Lyric Lane. If the lot o�erflows either because t�iere are too many employees, snow removal-.pro67ems, repairs, etc., those cars are all going to be out on Lyric Lane. r'_', Mr. Barsness stated that as far as the City's proposal for the driveway going in from the back, the only way he would find that acceptable was if the lot was fenced in all the way around including the Lyric Lane side and landscaped so they wou]d not have to look at the cars. One of his concerns with tire City's plan was that when landscaping goes in, it is always quite small. Cars would still be able to drive in over the grass just li[ce they do at the Highland Park Apartments. He wanted to mal�e sure there was no way the cars could get to Lyri c Lane from tFie parking 1 ot. Mr. Barsness stated parking on the east lot wouid have to be controlled because there could be a potentlal problem there. He had heard there was going to be a sticker system, "employee parking only" signs, and he believed those were good intentions, but snmetimes things ctiange over a period of time. Once that lot is in, it cannot be removed. Mr. Lloyd Larson, 7549 Lyric Lane, asked if the driveway could be extended to an east par[cing lot. Was there enough land? He stated people have talked about safety of the people in the nursing home, but what about tf�e safety of the children who walk up and down the street because there are no sidewalks? If the Fridley Convalescent Home gets a driveway onto Lyric Lane, then the apart- ment building should have the same access. Right now the street is very busy. He could agree to the parking lot, but no access onto Lvric Lane. He would like to see the driveway on the back side if there is enough room. Then every- body's problem would be solved. � � Mr. Larson stated that when tfie Fridley Convalescent Home was 6ui7t, it was stipulated that there would be no access onto L�ric Lane because tfie people 6P . .. ..... ..... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... .. ... . P'LANNING'CONII�IISSI6�1•`N1E�I�ING;'I�A1�'8;'1985"....`.'..'........,`,`...' `...PAGE�7 �. � . � � ,..� did not want it. Five years ago they tried for access onto Lyric Lane, and here they are again. If the buildir�g was not enlarged as proposed five years ago and the parking lot was 6ig enougFi tFien, wFiy tFie need for more parking now? Ms. Judlicki stated tfie 6uilding Fias not 6een expanded. Since it was built in 1�70, however, tfiere have 6een a lot of internal cFianges in the building. They are receiv-ing residents into the home who require much more care than they d1°ti in 1970-1975-1979. Hospitals have to discharge patients much sooner. They are getting people t�io are almost in t�e critical state. TF�is requires more staff and servi�es io care for the residents, and tfi�t means more cars. They have done a lot to��encourage family participation, family c�re conferences, �dmt''7� events, etc. TFiey want the residents �o feel part of a family unit, and so the fami 1 i es Fiave to get to tfie nurst"ng �ome. WitFi a new parfctng 1 ot for employees, tfiey would 6e a6Te to add more handi�apped parfc�g. Many employees park on Madison St. now �n order to free up park.�;ng spaces for visitors. This isn`t just a temporary problem; it has been going on for a long time. They, too, are concerned for the safety of the ch%ldren. They have checked wfitFi an elementary�scfiool a6out sc�iool`scFiedules, and the employees would 6e coming and leaving 6efore and after the c�iildren are walking to from schod�. Mr. Larson stated that when the second shift at the nursing home gets out, �� the chi 1 dren from Spri ng La�.e Par(� High Scf�ool are com�'rg home. Ms. Dorothy Artmann, 254 Rice Creek Boulevard, stated she was an employee at the Frldley Convalescent Home, and also had a loved one living in the nursing home. There are a lot of Fridl_ey employees who have put up with a lot of inconvenience witFi the parking. When you care a6out someone being able to visit a resident, then you donet park in the lot. Sfie stated her aunt was a resident at the nursing home, and her mother is elderly. It is hard for her mother to wal[c; and if the weather is not good, tfien her mother does not visit her aunt, whicfi means her aunt�is denied a�visit. There were only three people to visit her aunt--fier sister, her motFier, and herself. Ms. Artmann stated they were not asking the people on Lyric Lane to be inconvenienced. The hospital and the nursing home were there before the homeowners. Children can also create a problem for traffic. She stated they really need,a par[cing_lot, Some day she may 6e a reside�t tn that nursing �ome, and if they do not get fit tfie way t�iey want fit no�, t�iey will not fiave it. Mr. John Haines, 448 Rice Creek Blvd., stated Fie would like to maf�e a few comments from the hospital perspective. They recognize that part of the problem is because of the expansion going on right now at Unity Hosp�tal, but they are try�ng to correct those problems. He stated tfiey are �irying to be good neigh- bors. Right now there is no doctors� lot, as..sucFi, 6ecause t�ey had to take over part of the employee lot for the doctors. There is also expansion on the professional buiicling to the west. All this expansion should be done by summer and hopefully that will help with the traffic and parking problem. Mr. Haines stated they have tried to maintain the landscaping between the hospital and the neighbors. They have been comp].imented on it. Sometimes, when the neighbors are crowr�ed for parking space, they will use the hospi�al parking lot for extra space. 60 ,-•� PLANNING�CO��ISSION'�EETING;'�AY'8;�1985� ���� � �� � � PAGE 8 , , Mr. Haines stated he had one other concern, and he has tried to get Anoka County to look at this problem. He believed a lot of traffic was added from the hospital from Madison St. east. Cars will come down to Lyric Lane because they can get out on Osborne and make a left hand turn because there are stop signs there. He stated they cannot seem to get stop signs installed at Madison St. and Osborne. The congestion gets so ba� on Madison trying to make a left hand turn that many people are going to ta�e Lyric Lane. He stated he had ta7ked to Paul McCarron, Anoka County Commissioner, about this problem last fall. Mr. McCarron had said he would see tfwt a traffic study was done on Madison and Osborne, but one has nat 6een done yet. He stated he did be7ieve that stop signs on Os6orne and Madi.son would help with a lot of the traffic on Lyric Lane. Ms. Edna Barsness., 7589 Lyric Lane, stated she is a registered nurse and ��orks at Untty Hospital. She kn�ws a lot of tha patients from her station do go to t�e nursing home. Before she was a nurse, she was a nursing assistant in a nursing home and.Ger matFier resided �'r a nursinq home so she was not against the nurstng �ome. SGe was against the parCcing lo��wfit�i access onto LSrric Lane. The nursing home operates 24 hrs/'day, 7 daysjweefc, 365 days/year. School is not�in session all year, and the cFiildren are out in the street riding bikes, etc. She stated you can say that most of the children are old enough to know better, 6ut what a6out the little children who do not know 6etter. The apart- ment 6uilding poses a concern also because there are many youngsters in that complex, some vev�y young, and they have very few places to play. She was amazed that no �ne had gotten hurt, as many of the children cross the street. Ms. Barsness stated she believed that if the nursing home got access onto Lyric Lane, the apartment building would want access, too, and that would pose a lot more traffic. Ms. Barsness stated it was her understanding t�at it was not possi6le for the nursing Fwme to get access onto Lyric Lar�e witfiout specl"al permfission. If the Fridley Convalescen� Home knew that, why was the storage shed built there and why was the beautiful patio built there without any thought t� where they were going to get access? This just did not make sense to her. Ms. Barsness s�ated she did not especially want a parking lot across the street from her, but if they have to have it, then she didn`t want access off Lyric Lane, and the parking lot would have to be well bounded so that no cars could drive across the grass. She 6�oped the City would maintain its policy and vote against any access onto Lyric Lane. Mr. Charlie Johanson, 424 Rice Creefc Blvd., stated t�at even if they moved the garage, he did not think there w�s enough room to put a two-car driveway behind the building. The�e was only 33 ft. from the 6uilding to the corner at the narrowest poi►�t. Ms. Schnabel asked if the Fridley Convalescent Home had discussed the possi- ,,� bility of purchasing a little section of land from the prop�rty owners to the north. 6H' ._.. .. ..._. _ __ __. .... .. - ;�l � PCANNING' GOI��IISSION' N1EE'FiNG; '�IAY' 8; ' 1985 . � . . . . . . . . . � . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PAGE � 9 l�r. Johanson stated they have talked to the property owners to the north, but they are also sfiort of par[ci.ng. Ms. Schnabel stated that she woul d tfiz.nk that if there was anyr possi�il ity of acquiring that small section, it would certainly enhance the nursing home`s chances of putting in the wider driveway. �r. Johanson stated the nursing home also had anotlaer option, and that was to come off Madison and go in front of the building. Mr. �ulian Boyda, 7593 Lyric Lane, stated he moved to Ly�ric Lane in 1972, and �t was his und�rstanding the nursing home was not going to be expa�ded. He stated the neigh6ors opposed the expansion proposal-�five years ago, and they sti11 opposed tFie access coming out onto Lyric Lar�e, He stated he loved children, and he was very concerned a6out tFie chi7dren 6ecause of tfie traffic. Ms. Norma Wetterberg stated her mother was a resident of the Fridley Convalescent Home. She used to par[c in the iot, but now there is_nowfiere to park. She is one of the people who have had to park on Lyric Lane. She stated she would like the Planning Commission to give serious consideration to allowing an entrance to tbe proposed parking lot from Lyric Lane. Mr. Michael Boo, 2810 57tFi Ave. N., stated he was representfin�g t�ie ��rtdle� Conval�scent Home. He stated he would like to again summarize tFi�eir position. � The reason why the request is before the Planning Commission and why it is approprfate that tfie Planning Commission act on fit at this meeting as opposed to .the proposal five years ago was 6eEause of the changes in the area, pressures from Unity Hospital and its expansion, the ta�ing away of parfcing space that�was normally allowed and that is no longer available. Those things are not going to change. Fridley itself has expanded in ways it cauld not have envisioned even five years ago. The nursing home has become�basically an acute care nursing center with an�increase in staff as a result, and ciear]y there was the need for the parking lot. Mr. Boo stated the question seems to come down to (1) the relationship to the apartmen� building, and he was not sure that was an issue here. The pressures the nursing home is feeling are both internal and from the west, and the ap�rt- ment building is not under those same pressures; (2) access across the back onto Madison. He wanted to summarize a few statements made earlier, and that was that s�ace is currently being used for emergency access and loading and unloading of sr�pplies. There is a garage there with a foundation. There is a patio that is 6eing used 6y tFie residents qu�te frequently which suggests the possible safety hazards to the residents �ram the traffic; (,3� tFie comment was made of why were the patio and-�garage located there? Ne stated he did not think the nursing 6�ome people foresaw wfiat kfnd of expansinn would occ�r. Perhaps that was an oversigfit on the part of the developers, 6ut perhaps no one could have foreseen t�ie trends tfiat �ave taken and are taking place. Mr. Boo stated that regarding the access off Madison St_, extensive fill would have to be brought in to build out to the property line. Tt was a very 61 -- . �.s1 PLANNING'EOMMiS5I0�I MEE'fING;'MAY'8;�1985............'.....'..'.....'.... .PAGE�10 exnensive proposition; it raises safety hazards for emergency access and to the residents, and it was a tight and difficult access that he did not think would be adequate. Ms. Judlicki stated she would like to introduce Leota Herylu, a resident and President of the Resident Counctl, who would lfke a moment to speak to the Commission. Ms. Herylu stated she had been a pati.ent �t Unity Hospital who couldn`t return home so Fridley Convalescent Home 6eca�ne her permanent home. She stated her family comes to visit, and they do not F�ave a place to park, and they cannot get in back to pic[c her up. She stated it would be nice for the employees to have their own parking lot so the visitors could get closer to plck up the re$idents for outings. She stated the residents were all in favor of the employee parking lot. Mr. Saba stated h� has seen a lot of situati.ons r�here additional par�ing can be made available by�having a remote parf�ing lot��and a sFwttle hus service. He asked if this possi6ility bad 6een considered: It would elt`ininate the need for a parking lot for the employees, or the visitors could even use the shuttle service. Mr. Boo stated it was something t�at could 6.e consi�lered� ho�rever, there are r` sometimes a lot of costs built into something like that and businesses for � profit can afford those costs easier than 6usinesses t�at are not for profit. That might be the reason why this was not pes�sible in tfifis case. Mr. Minton asked if tfie Fridley Convalescent Home �ad giVen.any�consideration to expanding the par[cing lot on the west down to Ly�^�c Lane. Ms. Judlic�i stated they expanded the parCcing lot once in 1976, and the City told them at that time that it was the closest they c�uld come to Lyric Lane. MOTIOIU BY MR. MIAiTON� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SP #B5-03� FRIDLEY CONVALE5CENT HOME, BY BETTY J. WALL. UPOIV A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE � CHALRG�OM.�111T SCFIPTABEL DECLARED THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 9:00 P.M. Mr. Robinson stated he realized tC� City Staff`s soiution was not tfi� cE�.eapest or the easiest, but they did spet�d a good deal of time on site and felt that with the appro riate engineering, their suggestion could 6e accomplished. He did not feel t�ere f�as been any real significant study done on this proposal, and maybe that should be done. Mr. Kondrick stated he definitely felt the nursing home needed a new parking lot. The issue here was whether access should 6e off Lyric Lane or not. In visiting the site and looking it aver, he felt there was enough room to accommodate a wider driv���ay. However,.before fie could make any kind of recommendation, he would want to make sure there was room for a semi-trailer and a car. They also need to know a"ball park" figure of how large � cost the Clt� would be imposing on the nursing home. �``, 7 PLANNING � COI�I�ISSIaN' MEETIfVG; � I�IAA�f ' �; � 19$5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PAGE 11 Mr. Oquist stated he agreed. He could see the need for the parking lot, but before he could vote on it, he would like to see tfie feasibility of the drive- way coming across t�e back of the property from Madison with a cost estimate. Ne thought access onto Lyric Lane did pose a problem. Ms. Schnabel asked what t�e timetable was for tfie parf�ing lot. Ms. Judlick stated they were hoping to have the parking lot completed by early fall . Ms. Schnabel stated if the Planning Commission were to table this item, there would be time for the Fridley Convalescent staff and City Staff to conduct a study on tFie feas%bility of t�e driveway 6ehind the building and put together some cost figures. Ms, �udlic[cstated t�jrv�ould 6�e�ill�ng to clo t�ii'�. MO� ON BY MR. MINTON, SECONDED.EY MR.�SASA� TO TABL'E.D25CUS520N OPT SP #85-03 FRIDLEY CONVALESCENT HOME� BY BETTY J. !�'ALL, UNTIL TRE MAY 22� Zg85� PLANNING COMMIS5ION MEETING FOR THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINIIVG A BRIE'F STUDY �'ROM THE HEALTH CENTRAL ENGINEERS AND THE CITY OF FRIDLEY ENGIIt�EERS OA1 THE FEA5IBILITY OF A WIDER DRIVEWAY BEHIND THE FRIDLEY CONVALESCENT HOME TO 2'HE NEW PROPO5ED PARKING LOT. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRTiVOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSID�RATION�OF''A SRE�IA�'U�E'P�R�'IITs'SP'#85�04;'BY .. i�6 CI7C IR r��as�ee� c LHIYVt H. f.iIVUP7HIV: Ner Section Z05.07.1 s 3, , o r�: ey t y� ode, to a ow t construction of a second accessory 6u�:ldi.ng, a 20 6y 16 foot garage, to be used for storage of a classic car, on Lot 26 and the North 25 feet of Lot 25, Block 16, Plymout�.including the vacated alleq�, the same. being 4565 - 3rd Street N.�. ''M0270N BY MR, KONDRICK� SECON�►ED B�' MR. SABA� TO OPEN THE PUBLL� I3EAR�'1VG ON SP #85-04 BY LANCE A. LINDMAN. UFON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AY'�� CHAIRWp1yAN 5'CI3PJ,z1EEL DE�LARED THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT g:I7 P.M. TFie petitioner, Mr. Lindman,had 6een at the meeting 6ut �.ad left. The Cor�un1'�sioners agreed they were not comfortable making a decision without �h.e pett�tioner present. MO�TI01�1 BY 1�2. MINTON, SECONDED BY MR. NIELSEN, TO CONTINUE TSI5 ITEM UNTIL LATER IN THE MEETING IN CASE THE PETITIONER RETURI�.ED TO THE MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOTE,-ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6J: 6K ,�, PLANNI�G�CO�MISSION�MEETING;�N1A�'8, 1985 . . ... .. . ..' ... PAG�E 12 3. PUBLIC HEARING:� CONSIDERATION'OF�A'PREL'I�INARY'PL'AT;'P:S:'#85=01;�LANDMARK ' I i0�;'B ' 0 RT' �A AM: Being a rep at of t e property escri e as ot 5, evise u i or s Subdivision No. 77 'MOTION BY MR. OQUIST� SECONDED-BY MR..SABA� TO OFEN TFiE PUBLIC HEARING ON P.S. #85-OI, LANDMARK ADDITION� HY ROBERT MCADAM. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOT.IIVG AYE, CHAIRPERSON SCHNABEL DECT�ARED THE PUBLIC �'ARING OPEN AT 9:1 � P. M. Mr. Ro6inson stated_the property�was located nortk� of Os�orne, stretching all t�.e way to iith Ave., east of the r�i:lroad tracks, and west o� Main St. It was a subdivlsion of a large piece of property. The plat was for 3.61 acres. Mr. Robinson s�ated the proposal was for mini-storage facilities--two long buildings, approx. 42,300 sq, ft, of storage space. The structures will be 705 �Ft, lor�g- eacF� separated with fire wails as per code. Cars will enter north. of 77th. TFiere is two wa,y traffic througfwut the entire complex. There is approx. 10 ft, green area on tF� �cest�and 5 ft, of qr�_en area on the east. Th.� v�aterworks easement �iTi stay green at the City's request. 7here �cou]d 6e a sma11 office/residentiaT facility in tFie nortFiwest corner of the �roperty for a live-fir� caretaker for the �aciiit�r. There would 6e four park- 1ng stalls adjoining the �ffice/resid�ree. T�ere �rould 6e 22 parking stalls ^ requ�red for a development of tFit"s si�e. But, because there is little need - �'or �ar[cing, four stalls are all tfiat wiTl 6e put in. There would 6e additi�nal �al^[�tng area if it would fiecome a pro6lem. He stated the entire area wi71 be enced �-i�tFi e 6 ft. hi gh chai n 1 i nk fence wi th 6 strands of wi re for. a tota7 of 7 ft. Mr. Robinson stated Staff was recommending the following stipulations: 1. Redwood or cedar slats a�d vines to be installed in fencing along right-of-ways and to 150 ft back from all four fence corners. Additional screening to be provided depending on future deve`apment. 2. Deve7oper to �vork with the Ci.ty to achieve a satisfactory lands�aqe plan. 3. All storage building masonry to be rock face block. 4. Office bui]ding to be brick masonry.. 5. Developer to comply with fire code requirements. 6. Developer to provide and receive approval of a standard rental agre.ement wit[� rules and regulations for storage facilities. 7. Par� fee of $3,6]6.36 to be paid prior to issuance of a building permit. 6L ,.�1 PCANNING�CO��ISSION'�EETING;'MAY 8; ]985 .. . .. .PAGE 13 8. Plat to be recorded at the County prior to issuance of a building permit. �. Provide a performance bond or letter of credit in the amount of $15,006. Mr. Minton asked r�ho �roul-d approve t�e rental agreement�the Planning Comm�ssion or City Staff. He would have a concern.-if the"Planning Commission was supposed to approve the rental agr�eme►�t. Mr. Robtnson stated Staff could approve the rental agreement. Ms. S�hnabel stated s�e was concerned a6out putt�'�ng a residential dwelling in 1��2 zoning. Mr. Rofii�nson �.stated i'� ►�ras an a7 ] o��l e� use; dw�e11 i1�g 'tln an 1��2 zone for a t��tc[ti person is considered an accessory use. Mr. 1�cAdam stated f�e. had no profileras r�vt''t�i t�e stipulations. He r�as against �� redwood or cedar slats in tFie fencing only 6ecuase they are easily broken. Mr, 1�cAdam stated some of t�e storage garages in surrounding areas k�ave lights on the interior. He stated he was not providing interior lighting. TFiere � �11 6e electric outlets on tFie exterior ever�r 40 ft, so�fi�F someone wanted to get into a storage garage at nig�it,�t(�e cav�eiaker would provide a t�o�ble light. He stated the renters will not 6e allowed to store any flammable materials. He stated this is one of the cleanest businesses, because it does not create any pollution or traffic and is a very small burden on the Fire Dept, and Police Dept. It may even clean up the City as it will provide storage for people. MOTION ,�Y MR. OQUIST� 5ECONDED BY MR. MINTON� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON P.S. #85-01� I�ANDMARK ADDITION, BY ROBERT MCADAM. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AI'�� CKAIRl�iD1t1�111T SCHNAB�L DECLARED THE PUBLIC HE'ARING CLOSED AT 9:43 P.M. .. .... MO'�'.�U111 BY MR. MIIVTON� SECONDED BY MR. SABA� TO RECOMMEND 1'O CI�'Y COUNCIL .�1,PPROT7AL O� PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S�, #85-01, LAIITDMARK ADDITION� BY ROBERT McADAM, gE'�NG A REPLAT OF' TAE PROPERTY DE5CRIBED AS LOT 5 s REVISED AUDI �"OR' S SUB- DIVISION NO. ?7� WIZ'S THE FOLLOWING 5TIPULATIONS: 1. REDWOOD OR CEDAR SLAT5 AND VINES TO BE INSTALLED IN FENCING ALONG RIGST--OF-WAYS AND TO Z 50 . F'EET BACK T'ROM ALL FOUR FENCE CO.RNERS. ADDITrONAL �CREENIAIG TO BE PROVIDED DEPENDING ON PUTURE DEVELOPME'IVT. 2. DETIELOPER TO WORK WITH TNE CITY TO ACHIEVE A 5ATI5FACTORY LANDSCAPE PLAAi . 3. ALL STORAGE BUILDING MA5QNRY TO BE ROCK FACE BLOCIC. 4. OFF'ICE BUILDING 2'O BE BRICK MASONRY. 5. DEVELOPER TO COMPLY WITH FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT5. 6. DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE AND RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM CITY STAFF OF A STANDARD REAITAL AGREEMENT WITH RULES AND REGULATIpNS FOR S�'ORAGE FACILITIES. 6M. r.. P.I,AI�.NING � COMMISSION' �EETING; ' I�IAIi' 8; ' 1985 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . � . . . . . . � . . . . . . . . . PA'GE � 14 %. PARK FEE OF $'3�616.36 TO BE PAID PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDI111G PERMIT. 8. PLAT TO BE RECO.RDED AT COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. �. PROVIDE A�ERFORMANCE BOND OR LETTER OF CREDIT IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,000. UPOh1 A VOICE VOTE� �1LL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECZARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANI'MOUSLY. Ms. Schnabel stated tFiis� �rould go to Ci�ty Council on May� 2�. . 4. TABLED 2/2�j85: LOT��PLIT'REQU��T;'L':S;'.#8��-03;'B�'ROB�RT'�I'LSTAU:�"�plit o t e as er y feet, except t ort er y feet of part of Lot 1, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25 (see file for cdmplet� 7ega1) to be used as a parking lot for tFie apartments on Lynde Orive. (Moore Lake Apartments Complex) Mr. Robinson stated this item has been tabled indefinitely. Ms. Schnabel stated they should put some type of ttme lunit on t[�is item. The Commissioners agreed to keep LS #85-03 on tFie ta61e for six montt�s. . . . ._.. _ - � 5. �CONTINU�D _FROIN.'.�AR��ER:.3�J:.:THE.'.LN�E���IGi. `COf�STDERATI��I�'0�'A'SP�CI'AL U�E � �� � �� �;� , .;.� . . � , �, — �.��. � i ' -. ; 1�s. Sc�hna6el stated it did not appear tfiat tfie petitioner was going to return. 1n1QTION BY �� OQUIST, SECONDED B,X 1�2. KONDRiCK, TO TABLE SPECIAL USE PERMIT -R�� ST� u�P �85-•04, UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABE'.r, DEC%AR,E'D THE M0270N CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6. REVIEW OF AN ORDINANCE--RECODIFYING-'-THE.'FRID'LEX'CIT�f'CODE�B�'ADOPT�NG'A'NEW . . n i � � r� , —Zr--�ase �s _ -__ __ _ ___ vn "wr. nnv ��a.� L.1'11.. 11Y17 1/LU �nHr i ttc � V.�i ,� �V .� �.� ' E IRE7'Y: �_ Mr. Nielsen stated he had a problem witfi this ordinance because t�e City enforces the ordinance for some people and not for otFieers. Ne felt the ordinance had no value wFiatsoever if it is not enforced equally. Mr. Robinson stated that in tf�e past, there Fias no� 6een mucF� in tFie ordinance t�at addressed boulevards, and t[�ey wanted to strengthen the boulevard cleanliness issues so they put sometfiing in the ordinance about the boulevards,. ��pecially about dump�ng on the boulevards. Mr. Ro6inson stated Section 105.04 had a timetabTe fibr tFie maint�nance of ,-y-� -boulavard areas, wliicFi was a 6ig cFiange from the �irst ordinance. 6N' . ... _ _. ._ .. . __.. .._ .. ..... ...... ...... ..__. .PCANNING�EOI�IM3SSi0N�NtEETI�IGs�N1AY-��'1985............'......'...'..........PAGE�15 Mr. Oquist referred to Section ]05.04.2, A, B, C, which gave the three cutting date�. klourever Section 105.04.3 stated that "noxious weeks or use7ess vege- tation s�a1] be cut so as: not to allow growth�to exceed a greater height than ten �lp) �nches on the average during these time periods". Mr. Oquist stated t�e wee�ls are going to grow higher than 10 inches between each of the cutting t�rnes 7 isted. -.Ne fel t the-.ordl"nance sEwul d 6e a l.i ttl e stronger. , ei ther the cutting t�1ne�'or 1� incfes, �h.ic�ever comes first. Ms. Schnabel stated she had one concern about cutting along the boulevards and that was concerning "nesttng" areas. In the rural areas, people are asked not to cut on the sides of the roads until certain dates because of nesting areas. Sh� thought the State had a program that encourages penple to not cut �ntil after a certain date in order.to encourage wildlife. She stated Frid]ey does have a certain amount of wildlife, and maybe they should be �onsider�tng the potential pro6lem of distur6ing nesting areas. This is some- thing that should be checked into. Mr. Oquist refer�^ed to Section 105.08 ASSESSMENT, which included the statement: "The actual cost of such cutting and removal, plus up to twenty-five (25) �ercent for inspection and other additional costs..." He stated why say 'up_.to 25l"? WFiy not set a certain percentage? How is the City going to determine what the "up to" is? It is ratfier subjective. '~ Mr, Minton agreed, He s�ated if people have 6een warned and still do not comply with the notice of violation, then they should have to pay the extra surcharge. The surcharge shouldn't vary. MOTION BY MR, MI111TON� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUrtCIL APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE RECODIFYING THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE BY ADOPTING A 111EW CHAPTER 105 ENTI�'.LED "WEED CONTROL".AND REPEALIIVG OLD CHAPTER.Z05 IN IT5 ENTIRETY� WITS TFIE REEOMMENDATION THAT TbTE FOLLOWING CH�IINGES BE MAbLC: 1. SECTION 105.0 4. 3 BE MORE SpEC.�.IC REGARDIN� THE CUTTIIVG TIMETABI�E AND � TFTE. . HEIGHT OF NOXIOUS WEEDS AND USE.�E'SS VE'GETATION--THAT AT "ND'TIME SHOULD THEY EXCEED 10 INCHES. 2. THE CONSIDERATIOIV OF "NESTING" AREAS FOR WILDLIFE. -3. CONSIDER DROPPING THE WORDS "UP TO" IN SECTION 105,08 ASSESSMEIVT. Uk'ON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE�CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY. 7. COrJSIDERATION OF�APPR01�lAL�OF SIGN PLAN�FOR �570 HIGHWAY #&5 N:E. A9r. Oquist stated the Planning Commission has never before been asked to approve a sign plan. Why was this being brought to the Planning Commission? Mr. Ro6inson stated he believed just the City Council has approved sign plans in the past. The Commissioners agreed they would not like to get invo]ved in approving sign plans. 60 �- �- P'LANNING � COII�IMISSION MEE�'I6V�; ' I�A�f ' 8; -1985 . . . . � . � . . . . � . . . . . . . . . . . PAGE ' 16 . _ ... . .. ...... ...... ...... ...... .. ... . 8. REVIEW OF � AN � OR[1INAN�E'�R�CO�iF�3I�G `T�E `FRiDL' �Y' `CIT�' CODE' BY' A�+IENDING . . Ms. ScFinabe] stated she would li�e to see t�em continue this item until ��. Caa6e1, C�a l^person of tfae Appeal s Eormnission, could 6e present, ''MOTION BY MR. KOIVDRICK, SECONDED BY 1HR. MINTON, TO CONT.INUE TAIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRBOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 9. ;REVIEW OF�RROPOSED�-ORD�NANCE'-RECOD�F�ING�'�TNE�'�FR�DL'EY��C��Y'C�DE���BI�'ADOPTING .. Ms. Schnabel stated she had a questions regarding S�ction 208.02.4.F which stated: "All ground mounted dish antennas and their mou�ting structures shall 6e screened from the right of way and adjacent properties." She stated screening mfght affect the performance of the dish itself bec�use the dish needs a clear shot at the satellite. It depended on what type of screening they were talking about and where it was locate�. Mr. Oquist stated the Community Development Commission had discus�ed this �` and felt screening of d�:shes sFiould be required. He stated t�at a lot of ��r �ordi,ng came �rom sampl e ord�nances and tGat requ�l^ement u�as incl uded. l�r. Mt�nton stated fie agreed wit� screeni.11g; Fioarever, �ie would like to see not only "right of way and ad,jacent properties" included, but also park properties. Ms. Schnabel stated she questioned Section 208.03.5. Special Use Permit. She would rather see tfzem use the variance process, rather tfian the special use permit process. The variance process was a little cleaner. Mr. Robinson stated t�iey s�ould pu6lisfi this new ordinance in t�e next city newsletter so people are aw�re of it. "MO'?'ION BY MR. SABA, SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE RECODIFYING THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE BY ADOPTING A 1VEW CHAPTER 208 ENTITLED "SATELLITE DISH ANTENNA REGULATIONS"� W�TH THE' FOLLOWING RECOMMENDED CHANGES: 1. DELETE SECTION 208.03.5. SFEC.i1dL USE PERMIT PROCESS AND HANDLE WITH VARIANCE PROCES5. 2. 5ECTION 208.03.4.F — C�AAIGE TO READ: "ALL GRDUND MOUNTED DI5H AtVTENNAS AND THEIR MOUNTED STRUCTURES SH,�1•L• .0 •�E 5'CRE�E,d11EII •�'�OM THE RIGH.T—O�''•WAY AND ADJACE111T PROPERTIES; '�119CLi9D.t1V�G • p(iBLI� ' OR ' PRIVATE ''PROPERTIES." ..s, UPON A VOICE VOTE, AZL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMARI SCHN.�BEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARR�ED UN,z1NIMOUSLY. 6P . ... .. .. ... .. .. . . � .,PL'ANNING COI+�IISSION'I�EETING;'I�A�f'8;'1985.�............�.. . . . ... .PAGE 17 i0. C0(�IMUNITY ENERGY'COUNCI'L�GRANi'APPL'ICATION For Commission's information only _ ... _ � . ... ...... ...... ...... .. ._ .. . . 11. REIIIEW OF �-AN�'�OR�ZNANCE��R�CO��FX�NG��fik�� �fiRfie�:�l� :C.�T� �COD� ����'.AI�I�NDING- � ... �.: � ., . , : . . POSAL .. , „ r, . , . ' �� � Y .�; .� $. � ' BY " . . . . . . . .. .. .. vs v• �_ � �v• �v� I IN• IL� I'll\[J I IJ• IJ� 1�r, Ro6inson stated t�y�updated tMe exi�ti�� solid waste ordina��e �o allow for a City cu�b side recycling program. MO� T, ION BY MR. NIELSEN� SECOINDED BY MI2. KONDRrCK� TO RECQMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL APpROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE 1t�CODI,F'Y.ING TFIE . F'RIDLEY CITY CODE BY ANIENDIIVG CHAPTER 113 ENTI�'LED "RE^FUSE DISPOSAL"' BY' ItENE7MI11i� �"SOLID WA5TE D.LSpOSAL AND RECYCLING COLLECTION; &Y ADDrNG -SECTION� I�13 .05. 1Z 3.09 � AND 113 . I1 AND BX AMEIVD�VG SECTIONS 113'.01, 113.U6, IZ3.U7, 113.10, 113.12 �1ND Z13.13. UPOI�IA VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. . ...... ....... ...... ...... ..... ...... ...... ...... ... .. 12. RECEIVE P�ARCFI'26;'T9�S;'EN��RO�I��I�TAL"QI�AL'ITI�'CONI�IISSION'I�INUTES: �' "1�IOTION BY MR. NIELSEN, SECOATDED BY MR. SABA, TO RECElVE TSE MARCH 26, I985, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALI'1'�'' CO1�lMIS'3lON MTNaT�3. ' � UPOPT A L'OICE VOT�� ALL VOT.i1V6 Al'.�'� CbTAIRi�OMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 13. RECEIIIE APRIC � 1, 1985; PARICS �&� RECREATION � CONI�IISSION fNINUTES: A301°ION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. MINTON, TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 1, 1985� PARK5 & REC.REATIOIN COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOl�IaZ1N SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MOT�'ON BY 1�. KONDRICK, SECONDED BY MR. MINTON, TO COIVCUR WI2H THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION'S MOTION ON PAGE 6 OF THE MINUTES THAT $600 BE CHARGED TO ALL NOIV—PROFIT GROUPS FOR THE USE OF THE COMMUN.ITY PARK FOR.50FTBALL TOURNAMENTS AND TO RECOMMEND TO TIiE CITY COUNCSL THAT NO FEES BE WAIVED. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRI�OMAN SCENABEL DE"CLARED TIiE MOTIDN CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY. 14. RECEIVE APRIL 2; 1985;'ENERGI�`PROJECT'COf�f�ITTEE'MINUTES: MD_ ?'ION BY MR. 5ABA, 5ECONDED BY MR. MINTON, TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 2, I985, � ENERGy PROJECT COMMITTEE MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANZ'MOUSLY. � . . .. _ . .. ... .. .. ...... ...... ..... ...... ...... ..._ . _ PLANNI{VG' EOf�MI5SI0�' �IEE�'iRIG; ��IA�f � 8; ' 1985 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ' PAGE � 18 l5. RECEIVE APRIC 4, 19�5; �HIJI�AN'RESOURCES'COMMISSION'NIIIVUTES:. M02'ION BY MR. MINTON, SECONDE'D BY MR. KONDRICK TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 4, 1985� HUMAN RE50URCE5 COMMIS5IOIV MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE� �1LL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARR.TED UNANIMOUSLY. 16. REGEIVE � APRIL 9; 1985; ' CON1I�UNITY' DEVELOPN1ENT' COI�I�ISSION' MINUTES: MOTION BY 1�. OQUI5T, SECONDED BY N.�2. KON'DRICK� TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 9� 1985, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONIMISSION MIIVUTE'S. UPON A VOICE VOTE, �1LL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECI�ARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Mr. Oquist stated the President of Blue Bell Ice Cream, IMC., was at their meeting asking tFie Ci`ty to change tEie no��e� ordit�ance to a11ow them to operate tFieir truck.s. According to tFie ordinance; tFiey cannot even rin3 the fiell on tFieir ice cream trucks. T�iey fiave gone.to otFier communities, and ot�er communities are c�anging t[ieir ordinances. ^ Mr. Oquist stated the Community Development Commission made a motlon askinq the City Counc3;1 to allow Biue B�11 �o operate in the City until the ordinance can be changed. He would like t6�e Planning Commission to concur with that request. Mr. Oquist stated this request was to allov� only Blue Bell Ice Cream Co, to operate in the City with a bell. Mr.Minton questioned why an exception to t�e ordinance should be made for one company. He would want it to 6e generic for any company. Mr. Oquist stated the ordinanee charlge would be for any company. The r�ason the motion was company-specific was because it was a specific request. Mr. Saba stated he had no problem with �he ice cream vendor driving up and down the streets seiling ice cream, but he did not want other vendors driving up and down streets selling shrimp, paintings, fish, etc. Mr. Oquist stated the only issue regarding this request was the bell (the sound). Mr. Robinson stated one of the restrictions proposed for the ordinance was that the "�endor will not sell on major thoroughfares as discussed with Staff". H� stated he had a problem with "major thoroughfares". Were they talking about tfie major higFiways? What about very� busy streets such as 7t� St, and Mississippi St.? l�r. Oquist stated t�eyr were prt'marily tFiinking of the major highways. 6R ,i.,� PtANNING'GOMI�i5SI0N'I�EETING;'�IAY.8;.1985' ....................... PAGE 19 M02'ION BY MR. OQUIST, 5ECON1)ED BY MR. 5ABA� TO CONCUR WITH 2'HE COMMUNTTY 17EVELOPMENT GOMMISSI'ON THAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE BE CH�llV6ED �'O .z1LLOW ALL FOOD/BEVERAGE VEAICLES TO 5'GiIND A MANUALLY �PER�TED BELL A,S.STATED IN THE MOTION 01V PAGE 1 AND 2 QF THE APRIL 9� Z985, COMMUNITY DE'VELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES, A1VD THAT TFIE CITY COUNCIL TAKE� INTO CONSIDERATION GRAI�ITIIVG AN ESCEpT�N Tp TSEr CI7RRENT ORDINAIVCE 5?� THa�T BLUE BELL ICE CREAM, INC. � CAN O�E1�TE DURIN� THE CURRENT SE�1Sl71V UNTIL TAE ORDINANCE IS CHANGED. ���. Saba �stced,if the City would have any liability if a child got hurt when running across the street to get to t�e ice cream truck because the City allowed the vendar to operate in tFie City? � . ... . ... . ... . ... .. t�s.� � �chna�ea.�.s�ta�ed �t�it's.�.was:�.d��P:�i'�e1:y�a :conC���.�.tFia�.�.tFue��.P.lannfng � Commfssion . .'T�q+�-.�.�e� e \ �`�C.7i.:` V:\ � . �\ �� V4AI7C . y.� e.. �allG� . �J11 ` �! ., � � Y S II,�ON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. __ 17, . ' RECEIUE' APRIL' � 9; ' 1 R8�; 'APP�4L' � ' �ONINIFSSION `�IIfVUTES: MOTION BY MR..MINTON, SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECE.ZTTE THE APRIZ 9� 1985, APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTE5. �''� UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNABEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY. 18. RECEIVE APFtIL'16; 1985;'ENVIROM�IENTAL''QUAL'ITI�"CO(�INISSION�MINUTES: � MOTTON BY MR. P12ELSEN, SECOND,�D EY MR. SABA� TO RECEIVE THE APRIL 16� .Z985� ENVIRONMENTAL �jUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VO�ITG AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNAEEL DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAIVIMOUSLY. 19. ' RECEIVE ' APRIL � 23; ' 1985; ' APP�AL' S' CONfN1TS�I0N'N1INl1TES: MO'� 2'ION BY MR. KOIVDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. OQUIST, TO RECEIVE 2'HE APRl'L 23� 1985� APPEALS COMMISSION 1�lINUTE5. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SCHNA�EL DECLARED THE MOTIOIV CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY. 20.. ' '@TI�R'�ti��1��5S: a. Discussion Concerning Proposed Mental Health Facility in Fridley Mr. Kondrick stated he had watched the Citv Council meeting on Cable TV on Monday, April 17. He stated he felt that aft�r hearing the testimony 6s . .... ..__ ..... ..... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... .... _. .. . �1 PLANNI4VG ' COI�I�iSSiON `f�����I�G; 'N1RW '�; 'T9��' ` � � ' . . . . . . . . . . � . � . . . . . . . . . . . . . . � PAGE � 20 at tFie Aprii 3 Planning Commissfon meeting both from the neighbors and others in the audience, in lieu of the information ths Commissioners had received regarding past experiences for tfiis kind of facility in the City of Broo[clyn Center, and also t�ie fact tfiat he serves on a Commission with very sharp people who asked good, probing, interesting questions, fie felt the Commiss��n had been slighted. He felt the Planning Commission �as loof�eed do� upon at the Cit��Council meeti'ng as a"bunch of dummies" �ho acted ras�ly on information. Mr. Kondrick stated one City Counciilman said he, too, was "sho�ked" at the outcome of the Planning Commission's decision. Mr. Kondrick stated he fel� t�e P.lanning Commission`�s decision was not shocking at all. It was a very difficult decision to make, and he felt they acted on the information they had and were satisfied with the action they took at that meeting. Mr. Kondric[c stated he felt confident serving on this Commission with people who are interesting, smart, well versed in the City, caring, who can ma�e decisions wit�out poli�ics always being involved, and who always 6ave the best ir►terests of the people at heart. l�e was proud to serve on this Commission, and Fie did not tFitn� t�ey Fiad done a 6ad thing or shou7d 6e considered as ma�Cing "SfWC�111g`f deci"sions on the facts that tFiey had 6Pfore t�iem at tFiat meett'1�g. '� Mr. Kondrick stated he resented the Planning.C�rr�:tission being v�ewed as a bunch of dummi:es. If t�at was the feeling, tfien anaybe there shouldn't Ce a P1 anning Commi`sst"on. Mr. Saba stated what bot�ered him was there were some statements made that the City Council was not sure the court decision in the City of Brooklyn C�nter would even affect Fridley. Yet, the Attorney General of the State of hllnnesota made the statement that not eveh an R-1 district can deny this type of f�ci]ity. That statement was m�de on television as part of the WCCO special on mental health. Mr. Oquist stated t�at information was also provided to the Planning Commission in the form af a memo from the City Attorney. Mr. Saba stated that if t�.at memo had no relevance in the Planning Commission's decision, then that memo should not h�ve been given to them. Mr. Minton stated he felt the Commission did their job extremely con- scientiously. If a City Council member made the statement Mr. Kondrick had s�at�d, then k�e felt it was up to that City Council person to explain tha� statement to the Planning Commission. As k�e remembered the testi- mony at t�e April 3 Planning Commission meeting, Fie felt it fell into certain categories sucfi as: �lj It aas 6ad for th_e neighborhDOd; (2� It �as dangerous to ��.e cFiildrr2n; (3� The house was not appropriate; and �4� It was 6ad for 6usiness including rental property and day care providers t`n �F-ie area, 6T� _ . ..... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... ...... . _. . r—•; P'LANN�FVG'CONIMISSI01�1'I�l�`��4VG;'N1R1"8;'T9��'.•.,.�..•,......., ..............PAGE 21 Mr..Minton stated fie did not tF�in� any of the reasons he had heard had merit. TFiere were studies to refute almost everything they said. The only consideration was fear, and if tFie Com�ission had given into that, it would be perpetuating a s�igma and a stereotyping that is not justified. For politicians who want to be re-elected, it migl�t take more courage for them to come to the same conclusion; but�he tk�ought it was awfully important that they do. Otherwise, tFiey, too, will be helping perpetuate tFiese fcinds� of stereotypes. Mr. Kondric(c agreed. He hoped the City Council had the courage to agree �ri.th the Planning Commission`s decision. Ms. Schnabel stated sk�ee found tt�e programs on 1�CCOm_ Channel _ 4, yery enl �gfit�ning, and she ha� great Ewpes � they�woul�i� Cae�p the` ne�g[�6ors and certain m�tn6ers of tF�ie Council come to some conclusions tfiat ma3c6e this mental heal tFi facil ity was not a detrtinental t�iing to any neigfi6orf,iood�--that these peopl e are �i'hd, 1 ovt"ng, 1'l�divl"dual s, �rFio need some guidance and _�el p al ong tF�ie r�ay�, and t�iat tfe sFoul dn `t fie feared nor shoul d a faci 1 i ty 1�f� this 6.e �eared tli anyr nefg�r�iood. But, s�he did not see that the program �el ped c�iange an�rone'�s mil�d. SEie found i t additi onal ly i nformati ve over�the.informatl'bn t� �iad rece �ed a� t�e Planning Commission meeting and i� �ielped reconf�,1^m t�e decision tFiey�-fiad made. SFie felt the informa- r'"`� tion had 6een very valua6le �.'r tFiat sense. Ms. Schnabel stated she �iad tal[ced to to someone who lives near this neigh6orhood and who could not 6e at tFie Apri1 3 Planning Commission meetting. Ms. �Sc�inafiel Fiad as�ed her reaction of tFie sfituation, and this person fiad stated s�ie really �iad a�ard ti�ne wi'th the State mandating somet�ii,ng that comes down into t�e local. neigh6orhood telling them what �e� 6ave to �ave 1'r their nei.gFifiorFiood--tFiat tfiey have no choi�e in the matter. Ms. Schnabel stated that in some ways, she could understand that viewpoint, and it was a valtd concern. It was one of the very few really legitimate expressions she had heard. Mr. Oqufst stated the State is mandating it, but if the City can prov� the health, safety, welfare, kind of thing, then the City can deny it. If they didn't have those [cinds of restrictions or governmental interferences, then that says we s�iould no longer have 6lacks �n our neighborhoods or that we should no longer Fiave �andicapped people in our neighborhoods, etc. There has to be some control or tfie.y can become very restrictive. Ne stated he was ag��nst�government interfe�nce, but�i� has to be something to protect tbe masses, ratFier tFian tfie individuals. Mr. Minton stated wh.en fit comes to tFie matter of human rigfits and civil rights, then the government has an obligation to play a role. �"'� Ms. Schnabel stated several peQple in the audtence at the Apri1 3___. • Planning Commission meeting said the facility shouldn't be allowed because it was a commercial venture and would change the character of the neighbor- ,� _ PGANNING'COMI�ISSION'I%EET�N�; f�lA�f'8;'1985 ...... ......... . . PAGE 22 hood, etc. Yet, all those apartments in that neighborhood are commercial Ventures and the daycare centers are commercial ventures. Ms. Schnabel stated that regarding the needs for the facility, especially tFie eigFit 6edroom�, fit would profia61y�6e very difficult to find any other residence in Anoka Cour�ty tfiat �as et"g�t fiedrooms or is 1 arge enough to cortyert i'hto eigFit 6edrooms. 6. �Retirement of Dorothy Evenson, Planning Department Secretary J�s. Schnafiel stated t�iat Dorotfiy Evenson retired from the City on Friday, �Ja� 3. SFiee stated sfie would li[ce to express how much the Planninq �orrnnti�st�bn �as appreciated Dorothy's 2fforts over tfie ye�rs on behal f �`P � Pianning Department and tfie Planning Commission. Dorothy has reall� F�een t�ie "glue" tFiat �as� held tFiem all together, and she will 6e sorel� missed: ' AD�70lJRM�I�NT: MOTION BY MR. MINTON, SECONDED BY MR. KOIVDRIGK, TO ADJOURN THE MEETIIVG. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRWOMAN SC�INABEL DE'CLARED THE MAY 8� 1985� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED AT 11s15 P,M. Res ctfully sub itted, y Sa a Recording Secretary su: