PL 07/17/1985 - 30635CITY OF FRIDLEY
� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, JULY 17, 1985
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CALL TO ORDER:
Yice-Chairperson Oquist called the July 17, 1985, Planning Commission meeting to
order at 7:35 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Mr. Oquist, Ms. Gabel, Mr. Kondrick, Mr. Minton, �r. Wellan,
Mr. Sielaff (for Mr. Sabaj
Members Absent: Ms. Schnabel
Others Present: Jim Robinson, Planning Coordinator
John Flora, Public Works Director
Mayor Bill Nee
Dennis Schneider, City Couneilman �
Bob Barnette, Ci�y Councilman
Brian Goodspeed, City Councilman
Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director
Mary Schreiner, Parks & Recreation Comni.ssion
Dan Allen, Parks & Recreation Commiss�"on
Don Schlosser, 7773 Rancfiers Road �
Jac[c Menkveld, 1299 Mississippi St. N.E.
n_ E�elyn & Forrest Cornelius, 4020 Main $t. N.E.
�PPRU�AC OF JUNE"19, 1985, PCANNIN6'COt�MIS�ION'MINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR, MINTON� TO APPROVE THE JUNE 19� 1985�
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTE5 AS WRITTEN.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� V�.°CE.�CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
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TABLED 6 19 85�B� PE�I�IDEVER:���-��P�16'LIG�'-NE�NG���'COMS:IQ�R�ITIQN'OF A'SPECIAL
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..,, o e r� ey y e o a ow ex ertor storage of mate�ials
and equipment on Lot 6, Block 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addition, the
same being 7773-7779 Ranchers Road N.E.
MOTIOIV BY MR. KONDRIGIC� SECONDED BY'.1►I.S. GABEL, TO OPEN TXE PUBLIC XEARING
ON SP #85-05.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL I�OTING AFE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:36 P.M.
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Mr. Robinson stated this involved an industrial site located on tFi�e southeast
corner of Ranchers Road and 77th Ave. Zoning was M-2, heavy industrial, and
adjacent to Zt was a cnmmercial aone. He stated the petitioner was asked to
�creen the storage area whicfi he has done with a 6 ft, high cyclone fence with
we66ing. At this time, �e would like to bring the property up to code by getting
a special use permit which is requi.red for outside storage. �he only stipulation
Staff would recommend was additional landscaping in the general area of the
6oulevard to be completed 6y fall. He stated Staff ►�ould wor[c witi� the petitioner
on this.
Ms. Gabel asked what kind of materials the petitioner would be storing.
Mr. Schlqsser stated it was a machine shop so they are stori.ng.aluminum scrap
and steel scr�p before it is hauled away, wooden chip pal�ets and wooden barrels.
Mr. Kondrick stated that when machining, they have to use oil to make the cuts.
He�asked if there was any danger of the oils and cutting aids�from spilling
and contaminating the ground in the area of the water run-off.
Mr. Schlosser s�ated that a� any one time they r�ould have 3-4 55 gallon drums
of virgin or used oil on the premises. Some material can �e recycled or picked
up and hauled away. He stated they have applied for an EPA permit to dispose
of this material. Most of the mate�ial is stored inside. It is not a very
flamnab�e material. The coolants they use_are water soluble and under prope^
� treatment can be discharged down the dral.n.
MQTION BY MR. ICONDRICK� SECONDED BY MR. 1KINTON, T0 CL05E THE puBLIC HEARING
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ON 5P #85-05.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON O�?UI5T DECLARED TXE
PUBLIC NEARING CLOSED AT 7:42 P.M.
MOTION BY MR. MINTON� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF SPECIAL U5E PERMIT� 5P #85-05� BY MACHINING, INC.� BY DON SCHLOSSER,
PER 5ECTION 205.18.1� C� 9 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE TO ALLOW EXTERIOR STORAGE
OF MATERIAZS AND EQUIPMENT ON LOT 6, BLOCK 2, EA5T RANCK ES2'RTES SECOND ADDI-
TION� TXE SAME BEING 7773-7779 RANCXERS ROAD N.E.� WITX THE S�?PULATION THAT
THE PETITIONER WORK WITH CITY STAFF FOR ADDITIONAL LAN.DSeAPING T0 BE COMPLETED
BY THE FALL OF 1985.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED TIiE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Oquist stated this item would go to City Council on August 5.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATI�N��F-A�PREtIMINARi( PLAT;'P:5;��85�2;�MEADQWLANDS
�' eing a rep at o ut ot ,; ea o�t an s econ
ion, e same eing � Kenneston Drive N.E.
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MOTIDN BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
ON P.S. #85-02.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUI5T DECLARED THE PUBLIC
HEARING OPEN AT 7:44 P.M.
Mr. Robinson thanked the people in the audience who were at the meeti.ng for
the discussion of this item. He stated they were invi.ted to the pu6lic hearing
to he7p give the City some direction on what could be done to improve this
park. He stated Ron Ley, a consultant from TKDA,was at the meeti�ng to address
the engineering concerns.
Mr. Robinson stated the park was located just north of Mississippi St, and
south of 68th Ave., bordered by Kennaston St., 68th Ave., and 67th Ave.
He stated the park is approximately 9.9 acres which is quite large for a
neighborhood park. The area in general is R-1, single family. He stated there
has been a good deal of recent single family development in the area. Along
with the park, they are also looking at the future direction for the area and,
along with park development, there could be some additional road development.
He stated the people had been invited to the meeting to look at some plans and
discuss those plans.
Mr. Robinson stated the park has very bad soils and is characterized by a high
water table, some right near the surface, and in some areas, a few feet-below
� the surface. He stated there is a lot of peat i.n the area--up to 8� ft, of
peat found from soil borings. The general concept is to make the par� more
usable, improve the drainage, improve the soil situation, where they cou�d have
an activity area such as tennis, play areas, tot lot, etc., on good soil. To
do this would require lowering the water td�le and- stabilizing the areas under
the activity areas. One way to do t�is was through a pond. He �ntroduced
Ron Ley who would discuss the engineering requirements and how some of the
alternative plans were arrlved at.
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Mr. Ley stated the City h,�red TKL�A to look at
soil problems. When they looked at the site,
and he was surprised that the park could even
of the standing water.
the site which has some water and
it was in the spring around May,
be functional as a park because
Mr. Ley stated soil borings were taken, and there was up to 8-8� ft, of peat
in one of the borings. They �ad the.City take some e]evations to determine
some of the drainage characteristics, the storm sewer, and the ditch. He
s�ated their objective was to provide the same facilities that are there now
and to iracorporate them into a layout that was functional as a recreational
facilitity and would be usable after it was drained and stablized. To do that,
they came up with three different possibil#ties. He stated both the Comnissioners
and those in the audience had a copy of these three schemes. He explained each
of the alternatives to the Commission and the audience.
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Mr. Ley stated that at this point, their interest is to find out which scheme
the City is interested in pursuing. They recommend Scheme "A" as being the
best engineering approach to solving the drainage and foundation problems.
Mr. Robinson stated the City has suggested that._some lots be sold off as part
of this redevelopment. Depending on the scheme, 5-9 lots are suggested to be
sold.
Ms. Gabel asked that as far as road and uti.lity assessments, who would pay for
the assessments?
Mr. Robinson stated there would be no assessments to existtng hane owners. Also,
as far as development of the park, there would be no assessment to existing
home owners. There could be an assessment for the road to the new lots.
Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Ley the cost of the different schemes,
Mr. Ley stated the cost estimates were as follows:
Scheme A - approx. $350,000
ScFieme B - " 4QO,OQO.
Scheme C - " 425,OQ0
Mr. Ley stated these were total costs for the development of the park, the
^ street, and utilities.
Ms. Gabel asked Mr. Robinson r�bat he anticipat�d the lots.could be.sold for.
Mr. Robinson stated that lots in Fridley average $20-25,000. Theee would all
be standard sized lots and al� would meet minimum code requirements.
Mr. Oquist asked for comments from people.in the audience.
Mr. Ed Berr�tson, 925 Mississippi St., stated that shortly after the City was
incorporated in 1949, there was a plan to develop the northern part of this
park area. The City was petitidned for building permits and the City denied
them because the ground would not sufflciently support single family homes.
The land lay idle for some time. At a later date, another group petitioned the
City to build in the same area. The plan was for several multi-story apartment
houses. This petition was also denied by the City because of lack of suitable
underlay under the building sites. If this proposition goes through and the
lots are sold, how does the City plan to overcome those deficiencies of lack
of proper underlay for building? He stated he be7ieved if just the park was
developed and the drainage was improved, there would be li.tt�e opposition by
the neighborhood. However, they are opposed to tf�e se3li.ng of tE�e lots on the
1ow grade.
Dr. Ken Vos, 990 - 68th Ave., stated his house was the las� one buil� on the
corner of the park. He bought his property from Michael Servetus Unitari�n
/� Church. In the contract, they put in that the lot had to be buildable or it
would revert back to the church. In digging footings, they h.ad to go�down
19 ft, to get the peat out, and he must be at least 6 ft, higher tban the park
on the north side. If he was going to buy any lots in the City of Fridley, he
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would make sure the lots were buildable. If they are not buildable, the City
is going to get them back.
Dr. Vos stated he was at the meeting to address t�o major i�sues: (1� the
seliing of park land in general; and (2� the improvement of Meador�lands Park.
Dr. Vos stated the selling of park land was not an acceptable way to raise
revenue. He ttated he would give a couple of scenarios of some things that
have happened in Fridley parks over the last couple of years. He stated they
have had a problem with Moore Lake.East. The City could come in with a plan
to sel] off lots north of the beach to pay for some of the development in Moore
Lake East, but he did not think anyone would agree to that. Another problem
was Moore Lake West. They could sell about 7 lots in the Moore Lake Sand Dunes
area, to help pay for improvements to Moor� Lake West, but he did not think any-
one would want that. A third example would be Commons Park. He stated that
in these park areas, selling park land to build revenue has never been discussed,
so why is it being discussed now?
Dr. Vos stated the selling of park land was a decision t�at sfw uid be made with
extreme caution and a lot of community input. In his perspective, extreme
caution has not been demonstrated. Ac�velopment plan has been drafted by a
consulting firm with City suggestions. Community input prior to this meeting
was non-existent.
^ Dr.Vos stated the Parks & Recreation Commission must have looked at these plans,
and was there any reason why the Parks & Recreation Commission d�;d not seek
comnunity input before these plans were brought before t�e Planning Commission?
It seemed to him that the role of good government was to ask the owners of the
park, the taxpayers, if it was a good idea to sell park land.
Dr. Vos stated the second issue he ►�anted to discuss was the actual improvement
of the park which he did not think was as important as the seili:ng of park land.
From his informal survey of the neighbor�s who have property on the park, two
suggestions most cdmmonly given were (1) to improve the park by doing a major change
in the water problem; or (2) to admit the park has peat and water problems and
develop the park wf:th natural improvements such as trees, but leave it green.
Dr. Vos stated he would like to address the r�ater.problem. Right now his back
yard, after a heavy r.ain, acts as a city holding pond. There is also a home-
owner at 891 - 66th Ave, whose back yard also acts as a holding pond for the
city. He also has an open storm sewer pipe in his back yard. So, drainage is
a concer.n to the'neighborhood, and it should be addressed. He stated he saw
the whole problem as,drainage but not necessarily the selling of lots and
improving the park. In fact, he felt the selling of park land could increase
tfze drainage problems, not decrease the drainage problems.
Dr. Vos stated he would like to present a peti:��bon of 50 names to the Planning
Commission. He stated he talked to every home owner either on tfie park or
across from the park. The petition stated: "We recognize the need to i.mprove
^ Meadowlands Park. However, we d0'rlot accept �elling current park land to pay
for improvement costs::"
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Dr. Vos stated his recommendation for action by the Planning Commission was to
recommend to the City Council that all t�e plans presented at the meeting were
u�acceptable sinee they involve the selling of park land- and that they should
get some input from the citizens as to t�e best way to go.
Mr. Minton asked Dr. Vos on his op�nions for park development.
Dr. Vos stated that in walking through the imnediate neighborhood with the
petition, he got two kinds of responses: (1) Some said there should be some
im rovements to Meadowlands Park as noth�ng has been done for a period of time;
(2� Some said they like the park the way it is. They �no� there is a water
problem and drainage problem, but with some minor construction, they would be
�appy with the park.
Dr. Vos stated he thought there should be some improvement to the park but not
to the kind of costs being talked about at the meeting. He thought the City
needed more citizen input into th�s. He fe]t there were some things that
could be done that would not cost that kind of-money. There are still parts of
the park that are not going to be usable for 12 months of the year.
Dr. Vos stated he just did not like the idea of raising revenue by cutting park
land. Once they do that, they set a precedent. If it is done here, he could
see some other parks in Fridley where they could do the same thing. It was not
the mentality he wanted to see the City get into.
Mr. Jeff Gustafson, 6558 Oakley St., stated he lived adjacent to the park. He
stated he also had a petition to present to the Planning Commission. He stated
his petition was passed throughout the City in different areas in order to get
the opinion of people who did not live right on the park to see what they thought
about selling park land for commercial usage. He stated that out of 69 people
he talked to, 68 signed the petition which stated: "We, the undersigned, residents
of Fridley, are opposed to the plans to replat part of Meadowlands Park for
private use. We are further opposed to any attempts by the City of Fridley
to restructure the use of any park land. We feel this is a serious threat to
the quality of life that we enjoy in this city.°
Mr. Gustafson stated that, as far as the park itself, he would agree it did
need some improvement and something had to be done about the drai.nage. He
stated the City has to look very carefully at which areas are high and which
areas are low in the park. But, the point they are trying to make is that
they will not stand for the selling of park ]and.
MOTION BY MR. MINTON� 5ECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECEII�E PETITION NO: "'ifi
AND PETITION NO. ], ] . '�""'�
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECT.ARED TIYE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Ms. Mary Schreiner stated she was the Vice-Chairperson of th.e Parks & Recreation
Co�mission. She stated she agreed with Dr. Vos that park land should not be
sold for development purpases because of fir�ancing. She stated that the Parks &
Recreation Commission k�ad discussed the alternative plans for Meadowlands Park
at their last meeting, and it was the concensus of t�e Comnission that t�ey
have a neighborhood meeting to get input from the citizer�s. Staff was directed
to set up � p�b7ic hearing for their next Commission meeting in August, but
then they found out that tE�e Planning Commission was having a public hearing.
Ms. Schreiner stated that as a mem6er of the communityr, not as a Commission
member, she would choose Scheme A with the exclusion of selling any property
because the City Council has directed TKDA who have more expertise, and they
know how to handle th2 problem of the ponding. The ponding area seemed to be
a marvelous way to take care of the bad element and put it into a usable park
area.
Mr. Frank Sinna, 6542 Oak]ey St., stated he wanted to kno� why the park couldn't
be improved without the selling of park land.
Mr. Robinson stated the City was not saying park land had to be sold. The.y
are just presenting some options which do include the sel7ing of some park
land.which would help defray the cost of park development. In terms of planning,
no one's mind is made up, and that was the reason for the public hearing--to
help get some input so they can give some direction to the City Council o� how
� to proceed. Perhaps there could be a seheme where no 7ots would be sold, but
that was not one of the options being presented at the meeting.
Mr. Jeff Gustafson stated that those who signed the petition r�ere not saying
they were not in favor of improving the park; they were simply saying they were
not in favor of seeing park land sold. He stated that when he fi.rst moved into
his home, he had asked the City to sell him 40 ft, of park land along his
property so he could take care of the land, put up a fence, in order to make
the property more presentable. He was told the City could not sell park land
to private individuals, that it was dedicated as park ]and by the builder and
therefore could not be sold. He stated he made several attempts to purchase
property, and that was what he was told every time. It was disturbing to him,
because now the City was turning around and wanting to sell park land.
Mr. Chuck Mann, 6611 Jackson St., stated he wanted to see a p]an without lots
being involved. Why does park land need to be sold in order to improve the park?
Mr. Richard Cis, 891 - 66th Ave., stated he was the owner of the property men-
tioned by Dr. Vos with the storm drain in his back yard. He has problems with
it year round. He stated he was in total agreement that no park land should be
sold for the development of the park. He wauad even rather see the storm drain
remain in his back yard as much as he hated that. Any piar� for improving the
park would have to include draini.ng it somehow. If water conti�ues to be
dumped into the park, there will always be a sr�amp.
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One citizen stated he brought a petition around Oakley St., and it was the
general opinion that the residents did not want to see the street go through.
They want Oakley St. to remain a deadend street. He also would want the street
to stay as it is. They like tf�e privacy it gives them.
Mr. Sid Inman, 6747 Overton Dr., stated he also ha� drainage problems in his
back yard from time to time. He stated that a lot of the yards around the
park have water problems. He stated the City is interested in doing something
for the park, and he thought it was unique that the citizens are being given
the opportunity to give their input. They should act now and say what they
really want done to the park.
Mayor Nee stated he wanted the people to know that the City Council members
were very concerned about neighborhood input. He stated what was bei�rg discussed
at this point was engineeri�g and overall schematics�more than detail. He did
not know why the lots were even put in the plan, but what they are really talk-
ing about is the_overall concept, and if the development could be worked out
without the lots, that was fine. No member of the City Council had any special
reason for wanting to sell off park land.
Gouncilman Goodspeed s�ated he had heard several comments ebout wh�r there_wasn't
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Mr. Peter Eisenzirraner,6535 Oakley St., stated he also liked the privacy of the
T1 dead-end street. He would like the street left as it is, and he felt it was
unfeasible to build on ttre lots that were being mentioned.
Mr. Bill Doyle, 6551 Oakley St., stated that as he understood what was being
said by the City was that they should look at the total picture� decide how
to improve the park, and then decide what to do about selling park land. He
stated he wanted to reiterate that the neighborhood was strongly opposed to the
selling of lots, i'hat decision should be made first, and then they can
discuss how to improve the situation in the park..
Councilman Schneider stated there were a number of issues involved here, but
he thought the best thing the neighborhood could do was give the City a sense
of what they would like to see developed.
Dr. Vos stated he would like to refer to the public hearing notice which stated:
"Public Hearing: Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, P.S. #85-02. Meadowlands
Park by the City of fridley". He stated this was not a public hearing on park
improvements or ci��zenFinput; it w�s a public hearing f�r_the-preliminary plat.
That was why in his presentation he said there should have been some citizen
input before the public heariag on the preliminary plat.
Mr. Oquist stated he agreed this was not the place for citizen input on what
sfiould be done with t�e park. That probably required discussions of a citizen
comnittee. Those type of discussions should have taken place before this
pu61ic hearing on the preliminary plat. He was � little surprised the public
^ hearing on the preliminary plat was before the Planning Commi.ssion before any
of these other discussions had taken place.
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MOTION BY MR. KONDRICK� SECONDED BY MS. GABEL� TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING
ON P.S. #85-OZ.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CIYAIRPERSON OjjUSST DECLARED THE
PUBLIC HEARING CLUSED AT 9:02 P.M,
Mr. Oquist stated he thought they had gotten a little lost as to what this
public hearing was actually for. _-He was not sure they were ready to discuss
what should be done with the park. They have gotten some good input from
the consultants and some input from the citizens, 6ut it was not a concensus
input because the citizens F�ave not had the opportuni.ty to discuss thi:s among
themselves before coming to a public hearing. He stated maybe the park issue
sfwuld go back to the Parks & Recreation Comm%ssion and then it can come
6ack to tFie Planning Commission wFien t�ere is a concensus of th.e citizens as
to what they would like to see done i.n the parfc.
Mr. Kondrick agreed. He stated this issue should come back to the Parks &
Recreation Commission where it belongs. The i�nterest in the Parks & Recreati.on
Commission is tn change the park from what it i.s into someth�ng that�is more
usable and more fun for the residents. Before this had all Fiappened, the
Comnission had wanted to hdve a public hearing at their August meeting. He
stated they would like to f�ave that public hearing and have the issue of the
preliminary plat continued until they f�ave gotten more input from tEue citizens.
Then they can come back to the Planning Cormnission and City Council witFi
� some recommendations as to what can and should 6e done �rith the parfc.
Mr. Minton stated he supported Mr. Kondrick's concept of deferring this issue.
He felt both the discussions they have had at this meeting and �he engi�eering
information was important, but now it was important for this to go back to the
Parks & Recreation Comnission in order to get some neighborhood input.
Ms. Gabel stated she also agreed. She had been very confused with tf�is whole
discussion.
MOT�ON BY MR. KONDRICK� 5ECONDED BY MR. 1►fINTON� TO TABLE PRELIMINARy pI,AT�
P.S. #85-02� MEADOWLANAS PARK� BY THE CITY OF FRIDLEY� AND THA1' THE ISSUE OF
PARK DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN BE RESUBMITTED TO THE PARKS & RECREAT.ION COMMISSION
FOR MORE INPUT.
Mayor Nee stated the City Council was the only body that can authorize a replat,
and as far as he knew, the City Council did not author�ze the City to petition
for a replat of public land. He stated that i.n order for tfi.e City to s-ell park
land, the City has to have a public hearing in order to find an exces,s.- The
City Charter requires the City Council to have a public [�earing to hear all
conments and find if there is an excess for the purposes for which the land was
donated. P��,n�:�f..�t�at has happ�e�, and•��t�:�lidx�n�t'�kntlw:r�hy `�f�e pub�ic hearing
��a = t�e pre'l.im'inary pl at was b��ore � tk�e�'�P1 an�'i ng Commi s si on. He had al so thought
the pu6lic hearing was to discuss tf�e park improvements.
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3. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: " L:S; #85=05= BY:J:'A:'�E�KUE'L�'&�ASSOCIATES'" 5p�it �ot 2,
BTocTc'"t;'�rooTview econ c�d'1'�ZOn ��o�our o s, wo ao Zvt�, one 81.5
foot lot and one 82.29 foot ]ot, to be used for single family residen��s, the
same being 6771-6781-6791-6795 Brookview Drive N.E.
Mr., R�binson stated tFie lot �ras locat�d just to the r�est of Brookariet� Drive,
north of 67th and bordering on 68th Ave. This large lot was zoned R-1 as most
of the area is. He stated the proposal was to divide the lot into fc�ur single
family lots. Each meet the minimum df 75' lot width. The only variance needed
for the houses would be lot area. None are 9,000 sq, ft. If tFie Plannzng
Commission approves the lot spli�� they will automatical�y approve the variance
for the lot area.
Mr. Robinson stated Staff would recommend the follor�zng stipulations: f1) park
fees- 3; (2) the lot split be recorded at the County prior to any building per-
mits being issued,
Dr. Vos stated he would be very happy to see single fam�:.1�r homes in this area.
The houses Mr. Menkveld is bui]ding now have improved tbe area tremendously.
MOTION BY MR, KONDRICK� 5ECONDED BY MR. WELLAN� TO RECt�MMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL -0F IAT SPLIT� L.S. #85-OS� BY J, A. MENKVELD &�lS50CIATES� TO SPLIT
LOT 2� BLOCK 1� BROOKVIEW-SECOND ADDITION INTO FOUR LOTS� TWO 75 FOOT LOTS� ONE
81.5 FOOT LOT� AND ONE 82.29 FDOT LOT TO BE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES,
%� THE SAME BEING 6771-6781-679.I-6795 BROOKVIEW DRIVE N.E.� WITH TFIE FOLLOWING
STIPULATIONS:
1. PARK FEES (3)
2. THE IAT SPLIT BE RECORDED AT THE COUNTX' BEFORE BUILD,ING. PERM.LTS ARE
IS5UED. �
The petitioner, Mr. Menkveld, expressed some concern that he would not be able
to obtain a building permit and begin bui7ding on the first lot before the lot
split was recorded at the County.
Mr.rOqr uist stated he wo ld recomrpend-_the City..Counctl--woi^k out�sorqe.�arranqemen
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL UOTING AYE� VICE-CNAIRPERSON OQULST DEeLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
Mr. Oquist stated this item would go to City Council on Aug,'.5.
4. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: 1.:5. # 85=06,�BY EVELYN�CURNEtIIiS: Split the East half of
o , u i or s u ivision o. in o ree sec ions, one section being
the North 20 feet of the East half of Lot 1, Auditor's Subdivision No. 39 to be
added to Lot 4, Block 1, Wilson Addition, the second section being the South
75 feet of the North 95 feet of the East half of Lot 1, Auditor`s Su�division
No. 39, and the third section being tFie South 90 feet of the East°Fialf of Lot l,
Auditor's Subdivision No. 39, all to be used for single family residences, the
^ sarr� bei ng 4000 Mai n Street N. E.
PLANNING COM�ISSION'�EETING; JUL�'17, 1985 _ PAGE 11
Mr. Robinson stated this lot was located just west of Main St, and south of
40� Ave,__T�e proposal w�s to take the existing lot and split it �nto t�ree
sections. He stated Staff would recommend the following stipulations if the
lot split was approved: (1) park fee; (2) the lot split be recorded at the
County prior to any bu�lding permi.t, 6einQ issqed or prior to Oct. 15, 1985:
(3) finalsurveyed dime�sions of lot split meet-ei�� code.
MOTION BY MR. MIN2�N� SECONDED BY MR. SIELAFF, TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.5. #85-06� BY EVELYN CORNELIUS� TO SPLIT THE
EAST HALF OF IAT 1� AUDI2'OR'S SUBDIVISION NO. 39 INT10 THREE SECTION5, ONE
SECTION BEING THE NORTH 20 FEET OF THE EAST HALF OF LOT 1� AUDITOR'5 SUBDIVISION
NO. 39 TO BE ADDED TO LOT 4� BLOCK 1� WIISON ADDITION� THE 5ECOND SECTIQN BEING
THE SOUTH 75 F�ET OF THE NORTH 95 FEET OF THE EAST HALF OF IAT Z� AUDITOR'5
SUBDIVISION NO. 39, AND THE TNIRD 5ECTION BEING THE SOUTH 90 FEET OF THE EAST
HALF OF LOT 1� AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION NO. 39� ALL TO BE U,5ED FOR SINGLE FAMILY
RESIDENCES� TXE SAME BEING 4000 1�!lAIN STREET N.E.� WITH THE FOLIAWING STIPULATIONS:
1. PARK FEE
2. THE LOT SPLIT BE RECORDED AT THE COUNTY BEFORE ANY BUILDING PERMIT
IS ISSUED OR PRIOR TO OCT. 15� 1985
3. FINAL DIMEN5ION OF LOT SPLIT MEET CITY CODE.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
�1 Mr. Oquist stated this would go to City Council on Aug..5.
__ _ __ _
5. REVIEW OF�CHA�I6ES�TO �HAPTER'205'OF'TNE'FRI�CEY'CITY'CODE�=�ZONING:
Mr. Robinson stated these were changes tE�at had to be cleaned up in the code.
He stated he would review the changes page by page with the Commission.
Page 55 & 71
Under 205.07.5.A(3) and 205.21.7.Ai�2), �arking Requirementss the:Commissioners
�greed �h�t the words "fil�d by the Gity�"- sho�a3d be addednto the sentence.
Page 56
Under 205.07.6.D(2), Drainage and Grade Requirements, the Commissioners
recommended the Engineering Staff relook at the maximum scope (grade) as they
felt maybe the 1:10 (lq�) grade was too restrictive.
Pages 61, 63, 64, 66,�67,�69 - Uses Permitted with a Special Use Permit
Mr. Robinson state� that at this meeting, they had reconmended approva] of
a special use perr�it for screened exte'rior storage of materials. He asked if
ihe Commission felt a special use permit should be required for exterior
storage of materials and equipment that is screened or just be required for
unscreened exterior storage.
�
PLANNIN6 COMMISSION MEETiNG;�JUL��17;�1985�� �� � PAGE 12
The Comnissioners agreed this was a concern and Staff should do a little more
research into this. Some factors that might be considered are (1) adjacent
land use; (2) size of storage area; and (3) vis�bility from right of way.
Mr. Robinson stated the City Building staff was recommending that in R-3, al]
cor�nercial and all industrial zoning, concrete curb and gutters be required in
the parking lots. They have done some investigation and it has been found
that the gutter portion is really not any more expensive because it is laid
with a machine. The City feels this would be a good requirement to have.
The Comnissioners agreed with this requirement.
MOTION BY M5. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK� TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COi7NCIL.
TXE APpROVAL OF THE CHANGES TO CXAPTER ZOS OF TNE FRIDLEY CITY CODE - ZONING
ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDED CNANGES AS DISCUSSED ABOVE BY THE PLANNING COMMI5SION.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTllVG AYE, VICE-CHAIRPER.4ON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANTMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE JUNE 6, � 1985; � FI�MAN � RES�URCES �OI�WIIS5I0�1 �II�Ik1TE�:
MOTION BY MR. MINTON, SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO R�CE.ZVE THE JUNE 6� 1985,
HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES.
P� UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL �OTING AYE� VICE-CNAIRPERSON OQUIST' DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
7. RECEIVE JUNE 10, 1985, ENERGI� PROJECT�COI�I�ITTEE'I�INUTES•
MOTION BY MR. 5IELAFF� 5ECONDED BY MR. WELLAN� TO RECEIVE THE JUNE Z0� 1985,
ENERY PROJECT COMMITTEE MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL. VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8. RECEIVE JUNE 11, 1985, COM�IUNITif � DEVELOPNIENT � CONINIISSIOPi' MIN�JTES:
�.�_ ,
MOTION BY MR. OQUIST, SECONDED BY MR. MINTON� TO RECEIVE THE JUNE .Z1, 1985�
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CXAIRPER50N OQUI3T DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
_ _ . _ .. _. .. ... .. ._. __ . ...
9. RECEIVE JUNE 13, � 1985;' HOUSING'&� REDEVE�OPNIENT�AUTH�RIT`�� NlIN�iTES:
M0�2'IpN BY 1HS. GABEL� 5ECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO .RECEIVE THE' JUNE 13� 1985,
HOU5ING & .RSDEVEIAPMENT AUTHO.RITY MINUTE5.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUI5T DECLARED THE MOTION
^ CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
PLANMI_NG C01�'II55IO� � MEET�NG; � JULY' 17; � 1985 .. . PAGE 13
...... ...... ...... ............ ...... ...... ...... ...... .:.... ...... .__. ...... ...... .
� 10. ' RECEIVE JUNE' 1'8s� 1985; ENVIRONMENTAL'QUALITY' CONINIISSION'NIINUTES:
MOTION BY MR. WELLAN� SECONDED BY !�. RONDRICK� TO RECE.TVE' THE JUNE 18� I985�
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CDMMISSION PlINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CXAIRPE.R50N OQUIST DECLARED TXE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
11. RECEIUE JUNE 25, 1985,�APPEALS'COhpyIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL� SECONDED BY MR. KONDRICK, TO RECEIVE THE JUNE 25� 1985�
APPEAZS COMMISSION MINUTES.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE, VICE-CNAIRPER50N OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
__. _ _
12. RECEIVE JULY 9;�1985;�APPEAL� C�t1�ISSION't�IN�TES:
MOTION BY MS. GABEL, SECONDED BY MR. MINTON� TO RECEIVL TXE JULY 9� 1985,
APPEALS COMMISSION 1NZNUTES. �
UP�V A VOICE VOTE� ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPERSON OQUIST DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIATOUSLY.
13. OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Robinson stated t�.at incl.uded i,n the agenda �ras a letter to Joel Katz,
District 5 Traffic Engin�er,: MnDOT, whi�ch relate� to inter.sectton signage
and marking. He stated tha� as a follow up to t�is letter, there will be
a meeting related to traffic speeds on Highway 47 and 65 at 9:00 a.m, on
Thursday, July 25, at Fridley City Hall.
AUJOl1RNt�ENT:
MOTION BY MR. KON,DRICK� 5ECONDED 14Y MS. GABEL� TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A
VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� VICE-CHAIRPER5QN OQUIST DECLARED THE JULY 17� 1985�
PLANNING COMMI5SION MEETING ADJOURAIED AT 10:30 P.M.
Respectfully su itted,
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Recording Secretary
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