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Chai.rperson Betzold callecl the Apri1 6, 1988, Plannirig Coimnission meeting to
order at 7: 32 p� m
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Members Present: �nald Betzold, David Rondrick, Dean Saba,
Sue Sherek, Richard Svano�, Alex Barna
Members Absente None
Others Preserit s J'im Robinson, Planning Coordinator
Jock Robertson, Ca�nm�ity Developnerit Director
Teresa Gihson, 1255 - 66th P,ve. N. E.
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�� by Mr. Rondrick, seoonded by Nir. Saba, to apprave the March 9, 198�,
Planning Comnission minutes as written.
UP'OI�T A VOICE VOl'E, ALL VOrING AYE, Q3ATRPERSOI�T �F�LCg,D DE(�ARED TI3E MOTION
CARRIED Ull�,NIl+�J�Y.
l. COI�LSID�RATION �F A I[7P �T TT, L. S. #88 02. BY 7'F�SA A11D �70HN C�g.�N:
^ To spl it the west 13 feet of Lot 30 (except the weste rly 120 f eet ),
Brookview Aadition, the same being 1255 - 66th Avenue lw E.
N1r. Robinson stated the petitioner wants to spl it of f 13 feet of the
r�ei�ibor's property (vahich accesses onto Channel Road), adding it to the
petitioner's property in order to allaw for boat storage along the siale of
the garage and also to ex�,aand the existing driveway. This was a simple lot
split ancl staff had no problems with the request. However, staff was
reco�nenaling two stipulations:
1. The 13 feet to be crombir�d witYa the Gibson �xiroel at the tune
the lot spl it is recor�d.
2. Any widening of the olrive�vay opening would require a permit
f r�n the City Fhgineering Dept.
Mr. Robinson stated that both tlie Gik�son lot and the neighboring lot were
sufficient in size so the parcel being c7iminishec7 would still be more than
a�npl e in size.
Ms. Gibson asked i.f she cJOUld widen the c�iriveway to the curb opening, but
not widen the curb opening itself.
Mr. R�birason stated paving up to the street witho�at a full curb openi.ng made
it appear that there was a full driveway opening when there was not. The
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petiti�er c�oulci also wi�n the drive�raay to the boul�vard and then tape� it
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Mr. Rflndrick stated it would certainly look nicer if the curb opening was
widened to match the widened driveway.
Mdi'ION by Mr. Rondrick, seoondea by Mr. Saba, to reoor�unenol to City Council
a�raval of lot spl it request, L. S. #�8-02, to spl it the west 13 feet of Lot
30 (except the westerly 120 feet), Brookview Adclition, the sa�ne being 1255 -
66th Avenue 1�L E. , with the follawing stipulations:
1. The 13 feet to be o�mbinecl with the Gibson parael at the
time the lot spl it is reaorded.
2. Any widening of the driveway openi.rag would reqtaire a permit
f ran the City Engirbeeri.ng ��.
UPON A VOIC� VC1iE, ALL V�IlQG AYE, CHATRP�RSC�T BErSCg,D DECLARID THE 1�tJTION
CARRIED UNANIl�IS'LY.
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Mr. Robinson stated the Planning Commission had discussed the subject of
temporary sic�age restrictions at their Jan 27th meeting. Ae stated that
at this meeting, the Commissioners hacl received a revision to the Sign
Ordinance to restrict the use of temporary or portable signs. Staff was
proposing they change the ordiriance to be sensitive to multi-tenant
buildings and to change the period of time the sign can be out on the
^ property. Presently, the Code states a sic� can be on the property ior 10
days, up to 3 times a year, as long as tYie times are r�nconsecutive. T'hat
is per �sir�ss and is not sensitive to the fact that there are multi-tenant
btailclin�s• So, they wuld have multi- tenant builclings with a sic�n on the
property year-arot�md. The City has haa that problen in the past.
Mr. Robinson stated the revisian would allaw for 14 day periods, which is
mare in aonformanoe with the way the sic�ns are rentecl which is monthly.
Z'hey would say that the n�gnber of businesses would dictate the number of
times per year a busirbess can have a portab].e sic�. In adclition, it would
never be more than one per time per tax paroel/develognent.
P4r. Robinson state� the Com�nssioners had also rec�eiveci at ttie meeting a li.st
of all the multi-�tenant businesses in the City of Fridley prepared by Rathy
Castle, Pl�ning Assistant. On the right hand side of the list was the
maximun ntunber of days per year that there would be gortable sic�ns in any
one developnent. The maximtun was 70 days for the larger shopping centers
such as Holly Shogping Center ancl Skywood Shopping Center.
Ndr. Robinson stated some �her oomponents of what was being proposed was
that the burden of the manac�emerit af the si�s woula be the responsibil ity
of the property owryer or its desic�ated agerit or manac�er. The location of
the sic�s would be the same as ather sic�ns--10 ft. fran the property lir�e or
driveway so there woulc3 be rbo problens with traff ic safety.
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Mr. Robinson stated the City woulcl require a 5200 deposit which would be a
certified check or money ordler before a permit woul� be issued £or a
�1 temp�rary sic�. That $�0 would only be reftuided if the sic� was renaved on
the very next busir�ss day after the permit expire�. So, if the permit
expirec� on a Friday, there wou].d be some grace period over the weekenc7
because they va�ould not expect a busir�ss to renwe the sic,� on the 14th day
of the permit.
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N1r. Robinson stated that in aoldition to the $200 deposit, in reviewing the
Code, they fo�� they will be able to charc�e a permit fee. Tliere was some
discussion as to whether a temporary sicyi shoulcl r�uire a permit fee, but
the way it was written i.n the Code, they will be allowed to charge a$24
fee.
Mr. Robertson stated that a:Eter tYie March 28, 1988, City Council meeting
when a revisec7 Comprehensive Sign Plan was considered for the Riverboat
Plaza Shopping Center, he hac7 told the City Council that the Planning
Coiarnission would be oonsidering some draft changes to the Sign Ordinance.
He had gptten some miued reactions from the City Council members. Soane
menbers said that as far as they were ooncerr�d, temporary sic�s were a big
aa'�ninistrative burden and that the Planning Commission should consider
banning temporary sic�s altoc�ether. Ori the other hand, it was no�eci that
onc� the ordinanoe was clrafte�, maybe they o�u].d check with the Chamber of
Cam�nerce an� c�t the Chamber's reaction to the proposed orclin�anve change.
Mr. Betzold stated he agreed with Nlr. Robertson that there is some def inite
sentimerit an the part of the City Cotmcil to ban tempc>rary sic�s entirely.
Mr. Betzol� stated the $200 aeposit would be refundecl when the sign is
renwed "g� the r�ext busir�ess c&�y". Shoul� they say '� the next business
day "?
Mr. Robertson stated maybe they shou],d say "� the end of the last day of
the permit". That way, they e7.i,minate the businesses arranging to rent a
sic� so the permit end,s on Friday or Saturday, giving them the weekend
before the sic,� has to aame down.
Mr. Robinson stated then it bea�mes a policing problen. If the permit ends
on a�riday, the busirbess will want the sic� up that whole day, an� if they
cannot arranc� to have the sic� ooritractor pick it up at the enc3 of the day,
wha,t will the business do with the sic�nn?
Mr. Sbanda stated the sic� Qould be mwed e1s�wY�re on the property so it is
not sitting out in front c� the business.
Mr. Betzold stated the permit should specifically say when the permit
expires, and then the sign should not be visible after that
l�Ir. Robirason stated they aould say that the sic� has to be gone by noon of
the r�e�ct day.
Ms. Sherek stated then tlzey nm into the problen of having a busirness having
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the sic� up for more than 15 days.
��'1 Mr. Robinson statecl city sstaff will not be going out o� Sattarday or Sunday
to see if a sic� is in violaion. He thou�it it woulcl be mucYa better to say
'by noon of �he r�ext busir�ess clay".
Mr. Barna state� the permit app].ication lists: Balloon, Porta-panel, ancl
Other. Was there a�ef araition f or "Other "?
Mr. Robinson stated there was no�.
Mr. &�rna stated he felt they coulc� run into some problems with "Other".
6�hat about a busir�ess van/truck with the business logo �iritecl on it? Then,
often a busirsess will hang a hanner on the van/truck and park it in front o�
the business to advertise some kind of sale or special. The banner on the
v�/tr uck was not a problen;, but with the l�anner, the sic�nn on the van/truck
technicall then becomes a porta�p�rrel sic� whi�h r�uires a permit.
Mr. Barna stated he felt the definitions were the biggest problem in the
draft orainanc�e. '�xey rieed def initions that will stand up iri ootart.
Mr. Robinson stated staff would look at the clefiriitions anc7 see if they
aould be ti�tened up a little bit.
L�OrION by Mr. Saba, seoonded by Mr. 5���, to approve and forwar� to the
City Co�mcil the revi.sion to tYae Sign Ordinance, Chapter 214, to restrict
the use of temporary/portable signs, with the amendment to Section
� 214.11.6.D. (seoond sentenoe) to read: "Saicl c�posit will be reftuiaed only
if sic� is rc�nwecl by noon of hP n Yt- 'ne�a da�v after the permit peri�7
expires. "
UPO�T A VOICE VOrE, ALL VOrING AYE, Qi�RSCDT BE[°L(%�D DECLARED THE I+�TION
C�RRIED UNAI�TIN�IJSLY.
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MarzoN by Mr. Rondrick, sewnded by Mr. Saba, to reoeive the Feb. 11, 1988,
Housing & Redeveloisnent Authority minutes.
UPOI�T A VOI(� VO.L'E, ALL VdJ.'Il�IG p,YE, Q3p.�Il2pERSCi�T gE�ZCLD DECLARID THE Ni0TI0N
C��RRIED U1�9T.tTIl�U�,Y.
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MOr10N by Mr. Rondrick, secondec7 by Mr. Svancla, to receive the Feb. 25,
1988, Special 13ousing & Redeye],cnment Authority meeting minutes.
UPON A VOICE VO.L'E, ALL V�Il�iG A�, QiAIl2PERS�T BETZCGD DECLARID TI�E MOTION
CARRIED UNANIl�US2,Y.
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M�ION by Ms. Sherek, sewr�d by 1Kr. &zrna, to reoeive the March 3, 1988,
� H�unan Reso�aroes Coimnission minutes.
UPON A VOI(� VOPE, ALL V�IlQG AYE, Q3A:RtpER.SC9.V BET'L�D DE(�ARID THE MOTION
CARRIED UI�JSY.
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MOrION by Mr. Rondrick, seconcled by Nir. Svanda, to receive the I�Iarch 7,
1988, Parks & Recreation Co�aission minutes.
UPOIQ A VOICE VQ!'E, ALL VOPIldTC; AYE, Q3AIl2P�RSCi+] BFTZC�D DECLARID THE MOTION
(3�RRIED UNAI�TIl+B7US[,Y.
Mr. Kondrick statecl that Mr. A1 Gabel had resigned fraa the Conunission. As
the Planning Commission m�nbers knew, ld1r. Gabel had been a former member of
the Comm�ity Develoment Commission. When the Community Development
Commission was disbanded, the members were given the choice of joining
another orn�nission. Mr. Gabel had chosen the Parks & Recreation Coanmission,
bringing the Comai.ssion to 6 menbers. With the resignation of 1�[rr. Gabel,
the Parks & Recreation Coa�anisson would return to its 5 menber stattis.
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� by Mr. Rondrick, seoonc%d by Mr. Saba, to reoeive the March 10, 1988,
Housing & Redevelopaent Authority minutes.
^ UPON A VOI(� V�l'E, ALL VOrIl�TG AYE, Q31�IRpERSC[�T BEZ°LCLD DECLARID THE P20TION
(�RRIED U1�TIl�[JSGY.
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M�.4� by Mr. Rondrick, sewnded by Mr. Saba, to adjourn the meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson �etzold declarec7 the April 6,
1988, Planning Commissian meeting adjourr�cl at �:10 p. m
Respectf ully suhnitted,
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L S�b�a
Reo�rding Secretary
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