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THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 11, 1967 '
The Special Public Hearing Meeting of the City Council of the City of
Fridley was called to order by Mayor Kirkham at 7;45 P.M.
OPENING CEREMONY:
Mayor Kirkham asked the audience to stand and �oin in saying the Pledge of
ALlegiance to the F1ag.
ROLL CALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Kirkham, Liebl, Samuelson, Sheridan (Arrived at 8;40 P,M.)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Harris
ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to adopt the agenda as submitted. Seconded
by Councilman Liebl. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion carried.
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TO 13. BLOCIZ 11, HYDE PARK ADDITION FROM R-
JAMES LIIPIENT:
Mayor Kirkham read the Notice of Hearing. The City Engineer drew the
Council's attention to the Planning Commission's Minutes of November 30,
1967. Mayor Kirkham read the motion by the Planning Commission recommending
denial of the request. He asked if there was anyone present at the meeting
that cared to comment on this rezoning request. Mr. Lupient was present,
and said he was proposing to build two 4-plexes and two 7-unit buildings
in this area He said they have owned the land for some time, and feel
they should be given the right to build the same number of units as are
in the neighborhood already. He said there is a 4-unit building about 80
feet away to the south across 2z Street, and a 7-unit building across the
street from his property. Mr. Lupient said that the main ob,7ection seemed
to be parking, and they will have the required number of parking stalls.
He said the buildings would be 2 bedroom apartments and all brick. He said
that the Planning Commission had denied the request, with the idea of the
Council looking into hiring a professional to look at the area.
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Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone present at the meeting in opposition
to the rezoning. Mr. Eldon Schmedeke, 5900 University Avenue Northeast,
said he had lived in the area for many years, and had a business in the
area for 20 years. He said there was a 4-plex across the street from his
home, which have 8 cars which park in the street. He said this will be a
problem with snowplowing in the winter Mr. Schmedeke said that this land '
is zoned for duplexes, aad in talking to the people of the area, he knows
they do not want 7-plexes for sure, but they may go along with 3-plexes in
this block. Mr. Schmedeke presented a petition to the Council opposirig_
the rezoning.
PUBLIC HEARING, DECEMBER 11, 1967
� PETITION �k41-1967-RESIDENTS OF BLOCK 11, HYDE PARK PETITIONING THAT
THEY DO NOT WANT LARGER THAN 3 OR 4-PLEX APARTMENT HOUSES:
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to receive Petition ,��41-1967 and refer
Lt to the Adminis Lration for processing. Seconded by Councilman
Samuelson. Upon a voice voCe, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion carried.
Mr Frank Gabrelcik, 5923-3rd Street Northeast, said he was not in favor
of apartments at a11. He said he could not understand why the property
is not zoned commercial. Mrs. Gabrelcik said that this neighborhood is
overloaded wi�h apartments now. She said she helped take the petitioa
around, and the people do not want them. She said the streets are full
of cars now, and if they rented the apartments to a bunch of gixls,
there could be 5 cars for each apartment She said that a woman on 58th
Avenue and 22 Street had counted 60 children in the block already with
no park or play area_
Mr. �. A. Muggli, 5973-3rd Street Northeast, said that there is a 4-plex
beside his property, and since it has been built, he has h�d noY_hing but
trouble with the overflow of �unk from the tenants. He said he had to
clea❑ up after them every week or two He said he owned an empty lot
across the street from two 4-plexes, and the people think his empty lot
.�s for their convenience, and drive over and park across it
� Mayor Kirkham explained that it was the Council's policy to hear the
different testimonies at the public hearing, and bring it back at a future
Council Meeting, after the Council has had a chance to give it thought
and more study. He said that since not al1 the CounciLmen were present,
they would want a chance to study the minutes a1so.
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Councilman Liebl said that at this time, he was not ready to make a
decision, and since some membexs of the Council were not present, he would
like any decision tabled to the next reguLar Council Meeting of December 18,
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Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone else present at the Council Meeting
that wished to testify on either side of the question. There was no reply
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to close the Public Hearing Seconded by
Councilman Lieb1. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared t6e Public Hearing on a request for rezoning lots in Block 11, Hyde
Park Addition as requested by James Lupient closed at S:O1 P.M.
PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST TO REZONE LOTS 29 AND 30, BLOCK 12, HYD� PARK
FROM R-2 TO R-3A, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THIRD STREET SETWEEN 59TH AND 6�TII
AVENUE, AS REQUESTED BY HENAY LAPIDES:
Mayor Kirkham read the Notice of Hearing. He asked if the petitioner was
' present at the Council Meeting, There was no answer. Mayor Kirkham asked
if there was anyone present who wished to speak in behalf of the petitioner
There was no answer He asked if there was anyoae present to speak i❑
oppasition.
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Mr. Schmedeke said that this was similar to the last rezoning public ,
hearing, and requested the rezoning of two 40' lots, which are too
small for a 4-plex. He said this was probably why the petition did not
attend the meeting. Mr. Schmedeke said he felt that if the same people
w°re petitioned that had signed against the last rezoning, they would
be against this rezoning also.
Mayor Kirkham asked for a show of hands of the people present at the
Council Meeting that were opposed to this rezoning. 14 people raised
their hands Mayor Kixk ham asked the people in favor of the rezoning
to raise their haztds. There were none.
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by
Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor
Kirkham declared the Public Hearing on a request for rezoning lots 29
and 30, Block 12, Hyde Park Addition from R-2 to R-3A as requested by
Henry Lapides closed at 8;05 P.M
Councilman Liebl said that the decision for approval or denial will be
taken care of at the next regular Council Meeting, and the people will
find out where the Council stands at that time. He said that no decision
should be made without the fu11 council
PUBLIC FIEARING ON STREETS - 1968-1 STREET PROJECT AND 1968-2 SSREET PRO.TLCT
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Mayor Kirkham read the Notice of Hearing. He said that he wanted to
remind the audience that the Council does not initiate these pro�ects,
but they are done by petition of the residents. He said that in some
cases the Council may draw to the attention of the residents in an area
that an improvement pro�ect may be advisable, however, any decision is
based on the desires of the ma�orrty of the people involved.
Mayor Kirkham said that the pro�ects wi11 be taken in the order theq are
presented in the Notice of Hearing
1968-1 STREET PROJECT
L 64TH AVENiTE - CENTRAL TO ARTHUR:
The City Engineer pointed this street out on the map. Mayor Kirkham asked
if there was anyone that cared to be heard.
Mr. E. Edwards, 1403 - 64th Avenue Northeast, said he understood there
had not been enough signers for a petition. The City Engineer said that
there had been a petition last year, but storm sewer was needed, Mr. Edwards
asked the cost of the stoxm ::ewer. The Finance Dxrectnr said that this
hearing was not being held on the storm sewer, but the puxpose is to decide
on whether to proceed with a permanent street or put in a temporary street
because a storm sewer will be needed at some-future date The City Eagineer �
said that this area is part of a large drainage area which eventually will
need storm sewer He said the cost is very high because the pipes have
to go deep to drain this area into Rice Creek, and in 1965 the City asked
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, the government for assistance with Federal funds, but was turned down
Mr. Edwards said there was natural drainage into Moore Lake, The City
Engineer said that part of it does drain into Moore Lake, but there is
no question that storm sewer is needed. He said that a temporary street
is being recommended if the people want it, or they can go with the street
as it is. Mr. Edwards asked if it was necessary to bring in a petition
against the pro�ect. Mayor Kirkham said that he could state his views
before the Council. Mr. Edwards said he was in opposition to the pro�ect
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Another visitor said
in by the UFW Club.
filled in by the VFW,
their land.
that the natural drainage had been ruined by filling
The City Engineer said that this area was partly
but this is a problem all over when people develop
Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone that wished to speak in favor of
the pro,7ect, or anyone else that wanted to speak in opposition. There
was no answer.
2. HAYES STREET - 73RD AVENUE TO ONONDAGA:
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Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone that wished to speak in favor
of this pro�ect. There was no answer. He asked if there was anyone that
wished to speak in opposition. A visitar to the meeting said he did not
live in this area, but felt it sh�ruld be clarified as to what was going
in. Whether it included storm sewer, curbs or sidewalk. Councilman
Samuelson said that this pro�ect was �ust the paving of the street. He
said that the storm sewer in the area is �ust about complete, and so Hayes
is ready for a permanent street The Finance Director said that all streets
in thi,� improvement wi11 have concrete cur� and gutter, and permanent streets
unless a temporary street is proposed as an alternate. He said that there
will be storm sewer in this area, but it wi11 be on a separate roll from
the street assessment ro11. Councilman Lieb1 pointed out that there is
an assessment for the storm sewer that is going in, and if the Council
approves the permanent street, the people will be assessed ag�in He
said that it is important that people come to Council Meetings, so the
Council wi11 know their wishes.
The Finance Director explained that the street assessment will be spre�d
over a 10 year period with interest at 6% on the unpaid balance Which
will go on the 1969 taxes, unless it is paid off at the time of the assess-
ment which will be next August or Sept�mber.
3. ELY, LIBERTY AND LONGFELLOW STREETS - EAST RIVER ROAD TO RAILROAD TRACKS:
The City Engineer said that these streets have been combined for the
aseessment ro11, as there is one rate to cover them a11. He pointed
the streets out on the map.
A visitor to the Council MeetLng asked how these stxeets were going to be
� tied together. The City Engineer said that the Ruth Street improvement
has already been proposed, and the facilLties are in for a permenent street
with concrete curb and gutter. The visitor asked the co;t ��f the assessment
and if this will complete this area. Councilman Lieb1 quoted the estimated
price as $9.29 per foot, and said that this wi11 complete the area
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Another visitor asked the cost of the storm sewer. The City Engineer said '
he thought the price that had b�n quoted had been $7_.69, but that it is
not part of this hearing. Another visitor asked what was all included
for Ely. Councilman Liebl said this was for permanent street, concrete
curb and gutter, but this hearing does not include the storm sewer
which is already in, and which the people wi11 be assessed for separately.
The visitor said that no storm sewer had been put in E1y Street. Mayor
Kirkham said that it was part of the drainage district.
Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone present opposed to the pro�ect. There
was no answer.
4. EAST SERVICE ROAD OF �AST RIVER ROAD - LIBERTY STREET TO 79TH WAY:
5. AOAD ALONG WEST OF RAILROAD TRACKS - LONGFELLOW STREET TO ELY STREET:
Mayor ICirkham said that the purpose of these streets is to tie the other
streets together. A visitor to the Council Meeting asked how much land was
needed to put in the street The City Engineer said that the City wi11
have to acquire more property for this street, The visitor said that he
would ob�ect then, because according to a survey it wi11 take the corner
of his property. Councilman Samuelson said that this street would be
better than having cul-de-sacs, especially for snow clearing in the winter
time. A woman asked if the people in this area are going to be assessed
for the street along the railroad tracks. The Finance Director said
that the assessment for that street would be over and above the assessment
for in front of their property, as it wi11 be spxead half t�.e way to �
Ashton Avenue He said the assessment for the raad along the west of
the railroad tracks is estimated at $12.00 per foot for the property it
affects. He said the estLmate is high because there is only property on
one side of the street. A visitor asked if the railroad will be assessed
The Finance Director said that rt would be difficult to prove the street
was a benefit to them.
There was a discussion about assessing side streets. Mayor Kirkham
explained that the City has a policy they use throughout the City for
assessing side streets, as they benefit more people than the direct
property owners. Councilman Liebl said that Ely, Liberty and Longfellow
cannot be improved without giving the people an exit, and the utility
department snow plows also have to be provided for. Mayor Kirkham said
that the Council wi11 weigh the cost and feasibility of a street or cul-
de-sac, but it seems it would be �ust as costly to have 3 cul-de-sacs.
6. MCIZINL�Y STREET - MISSISSIPPI TO 66TH AVENUE:
A visitor to the Council Meeting asked the cost of the pro�ect and if
someone had mentioned storm sewer for this portion. Councilman Samuelson
said that storm sewer is planned at a later date as part of an overall
pro�ect, and the cost for concrete curb and gutter attd a permanent street
is estimated at S1D.73, and temporary surfacing at $5.37 per foot. The
visitor asked if the street wi11 have to be torn up again for the storm '
sewer. The City Engineer said that if a permanent street is put in 150
feet will be left temporary for the storm sewer.
(COUNCILMAN SHERIDAN ARRIVED aT 8:40 P,M.)
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' Mr. Donald Friedland, 6526 McKinley Street, asked why the cost for
McKinley is more expensive, The City Engineer said that the cost of
construction depends on factors such as soil conditions, necessary excava-
tion, making modifications for manholes, etc. Mr. Friedland asked why
this portion hadn't been done, when the rest of McKinley had been done
The City Engineer explained that there had not been a petition for this
part. Mr. Friedland savd he was in favor of the pro�ect and wanted the
street, but questioned the higher cost, Mayor IZirkham said it will cost
more thaa the streets put in in 1967 because of xising Labor costs The
visitor asked if there was any r�:ason why the water cannoY run across
Mississippi Street. He said he lived at a 1ow spot on the street, and
heis higher than Mississippi Street, He explained that there was a hill
in front of his property, and if a curb is put in, the water will go to
Mississippi. The City Engineer said that these things would be looked
at, if the pro�ect is decided upon. He said that a 1ot of extensive in-
vestigatri�$ is not done for a preliminary report.
7 HORIZON CIRCLE - MAIN TO HORIZON DRIVE:
Councilman Liebl said that this street had been petitioned, and the
estimated cost is $10.41 per foot. The City Engineer pointed the street
out on the map. There was no one present that wished to comment
8. TRINITY DRIVE - 61ST TO STARLITE:
� Mayor Kir[cham said that this street had been petitioned for 3n included
concrete curb, gutter and permanent street.
Mr. Bill Faber, 6181 Trinity Drive, asked the estimated cost. Councilman
Liebl said the estimated cost was $9.98 whiclt was a littler higher than
the cost paid last year. Mr. Faber said that it was about 31% more than
he had �ust pald for the street on the other side of his house
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Mr. F1oyd Watts, 6220 Trinity Drive, said that when they had gone around
with the petition, Yhey said it would cost about $7 50 per front foot,
and he could not see how it could go up that much Councilman Lieb1
said that if the people did not want the street, they should express their
views. He said thaC he would ask the people if they were willing to pay
the estimated price. Mr, Watts said that it had been Councilman Lieb1's
idea to petition for the street last year. Councilman Liebl said that the
street could not be put in last year's construction, because the City could
not add over 25l to the amount of Che b1d. Mr, Watts said that labor costs
were not up that much. The C�ty Engineer said that the costs bexng used
are only estimates, the £igures are conservative, and the actual bLds wi11
probably be $9 rather than $10. He said he did not think this street
would have many problems, and he was sure it would not run as high as the
estimate. Councilman Sheridan asked if the pro�ect were put out for bids,
and the price was determined, and came back at, say, $8,3D, would the
people ob�ect, Mr. Watts said no, but they would at $9 00 Councilman
' Sheridan said that it may come back considerabley lower than the estimate,
but higher than the price quoted on the petition, and asked if the people
agree if it was within reason, Mr. Watts said he thought the people would
re�ect the street pro�ect if it came back 15% to 30% higher. He thought
it would he more feasible to get estimaCes that were closex to the actual
cost, and he would be against it if it is even close to the estimate
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Councilman Sheridan said he thought the Council would feel the same way. '
Councilman Liebl said that the Council wants the people to know what
the estimates are, and that the Council won't spend the people's money
foolishly.
Mr. Dick Schillinger said that his house faces Trinity Drive, aZthough
he had been assessed for frontage on Comet Lane, Mayor Kirkham said that
the City has what is called a lot facing rather than a house facing.
Mr. Schillinger asked when the pro�ect would be completed. He was told
that it would be hard to say until the bids were let, but it would be
completed in the 1968 season, before the ground froze. Mr. Schillinger
asked if this would be bid as an individual pro�ect, or if it is a11 bid
together The Cxty Engineer said that the past practice has been to
combine at least half a dozen areas into one pro�ect, because if it is a
larger pro�ect, a contractor tends to bid a lower price. The Finance
Director saLd that this may end up to be two pro�ects, and two separate
contracts, but the unit costs are kept separate, so they will not a11 be
ehe same.
Councilmaa Lieb1 asked if the people were tn favor of going ahead wzth
Trinity Drive, or if they wanted it dropped at this point. Mr. Faber
asked if it would be too late once the hids were in. Councilman Liebl
said it would not Ue. Another v�,sitor, Mr. Holmquist, 6161 Trinity Drive,
said the City should find out the bid cost and let the people know before
the contract is awarded. It was pointed out by Councilman Sheridan that
some of the increase wi11 include legal and engineering costs not included ,
in the bid price. The bLd pnce could be $8 and the assessment price $8.50.
75TH AVENUE - LAKESIDE ROAD TO STINSON BOULEVARD:
Mayor Kirkham said that this will be a permanent surface with concrete
curb and gutter and �oill include some storm sewer The Crty Engineer
said that the storm sewer will have to be extended to serve Stinson
Boulevard. A visitox asked why this was not done at hhe time it was put
in. The City Engineer said that the policy was that everything ovex 24^
is a main and under 24" a lateral, the main is in, and now they will be
putting in laterals. Mr. Vesall,°500 Stinson Boulevard, said that he did
not have a problem with hxs water drain�ng and if the laterals have to go
in for the people to the north, the City can do that, but he did not want
to pay for it. The City Engineer said that the storm sewer assessment is
made un an area basis, and if he is in the drainage district, he eventuallq
would be assessed for storm sewer. He said that when this 130 feet of
storm sewer is completed, the City wi11 not have to tear up a permanent
street to do it in the future, and the cost will be included as part of
the street improvement Mr. Vesall was told he could come into the City
Hall to see the overall plan for this area. Mr. Vesall went through the
different assessments he has paid on his 1ots, and compLained that his
lots would not se11 for that much. rSayor Kirkham said that hLS ob�ection
would be noted. Mayor Kirkham asked if there was anyone else in opposition.
There was no answer Mayor Kirkham asked if anyone wished to speak in '
favor. There was no answer.
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� UNIVERSITY AVENUE EAST SERVICE DRIVE - 69TH TO 73RD:
Mr. Arthur Silseth, 400 Rice Creek Boulevard, asked where the connection
to thzs service drive will be made. The City Engineer pointed the street
out on the map, and said it would be on the easterly property line of
the church. Mr. Silseth asked if there was any other alternative being
considered, Mayor Kirkham said that t his would give two exits and two
entrances to the arena and provide stacking room along 69th Avenue.
Mr. Salseth said that when this is done, there will be more of a bottle-
neck on University and Mississippi, and suggested the connection be made
above 69th Avenue and have a slip ramp into the arena Mayor ICirkham
said he could see where this would provide an adequate entrance, but
only 1 exir, and all the traffic would be trying to get out one exit at
the same tLme.
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Mr. Silseth sa�_d he had talked to someone from the State Department
that said there would never be signal lights on 69th Avenue and that it
wi11 be closed off. The Council said that this was contrary to what they
have been told. The City Engineer said that the State has no right to
close this off unless there is a separate access, for which they must
get the City's permission. He said he has never been told that it would be
closed off, and there would be no signal. He said the State has said they
will put in a signal if the traffic warrants rt
Mr. John 7ensen, representing the Minnesota Transfer Railway Company,
� �zsked about the width of the street. Mayor Kirkham said that the cost
wi11 be about 20% higher, if the wider street the County would like to
have is put in, and then it will probablyibe a 48' street, rather than
36' wide. Mr Jensen said that Chey want to pay their share of the pro�ect,
but if it�s far the City or County's benefit, he hopes that is taken into
consideration. Mayor Kirkham explained the policy of paying for the usual
residential street, and State Aid money being used for the balance Iie
said this was not a State Azd street.
715T AVENUE - UNIVERSITY AVENUE TO WEST PROPERTY LINE OF LOCKE PARK:
Mayor Kirkham said the estimated cost of tha.s improvement is $9 16 per ioot,
and asked if anyone wished to speak. There was no answer.
NORT6N AVENiTE - WEST END TO OLD CENTRAZ:
Mayar Kirkham said the cost of this improvement is estimated at $9 43 for
permanent street, concrete curb and gutter. Mr. Paul King, 1301 Norton
Avenue, asked why the City is putting in �4urb and gutter when there is no
sewer and water. The City Engineer said that the sewer and water contract
has been let, and will be installed before the street is paved Mr K�ng
said that this would mean another tax �mmediately on top of the other one
Another visitor asked if this is something Che people want, or som�thing
� the City has decided they should have. The City Engineer said that in 1962
the City received a petition for this street, but rt was not put in because
the sewer and water were not in. He said that if at any time the people
want this street, they should get it now as costs go up 10% each year Mayor
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Kirkham said that if the people do not want the street, the Council wi11 '
not put it in.
Mr. Paul King, 1301 Norton Avenue Northeast, said he wanted to vote
down the street.
ANNA AVENUE•
Mayor Kirkham said that this will be a permanent street, and the estimated
cost is $13 17 per foot.
Mr. James Thayer asked if the City has the final right-of-way on the north
east section of this street. The City Engineer said that the City still
has to acquire the easterly rtght-of-way near the school property.
CHASE ISLAND ACCESS ROAD - MISSISSIPPI RIVER TO ANNA:
There was no one present that wanted to speak on this street.
STATE AID STREETS - 1968-2 STREET PROJECT
A visitor to the Council Meeting,who lived at 4940 3rd Street, asked how
manq people on the street are notified of a hearing. The Finance Director
said that notices are mailed to al1 owners of record that own property
that will be affected, plus the notices are publlshed in the newspaper.
The visitor said thatte had not been notified when storm sewet was put �
in on his street, The Finance Director said that the improvement hearing
could have been held before hemoved into his home. Mr. Bailey Tiller,
1535 Gardena Avenue Northeast, said that he was paying a storm sewer
assessment under protest because he had never beea notified of a meeting
or the assessment He said that the water runs to the east into New
Brighton and the Engineer said he would investigate it and make a report,
but Mr. Tiller said he had never been notified why he should pay when
the water runs into New Brighton, and was paying the taxes under protest.
1 GARDENA AVENiTE - OLD CENTRAL TO STINSON BOULEUARD:
Mr. Raymond Renner, 1564 Gardena Avenue, asked what the City proposed to do
with Gardena. The proposal is to install storm sewer, widen the street to
40', and 5` sidewalks on both sides. The �'inance Director explained that
the cost of the sidewalk is $4.07 per foot for school and commercial
property, but it is the policy of the City T.o pay half the cost of the
resLdents, and if thLS 7_s done, theLr cost will be $2.03.
Mr Richard D. French, 1469 Gardena Avenue, said he did not think it was
necessary to have sidewalks on both sides o£ the street. He said that
the access from the north and east to the school has walkways, and the
only children that would benefit to the east of the school would be
those east of Oakwood and south of Gardena, and he questioned how many
were involved in this area. He said he could see sidewalks on one side '
of the street west to Old Central.
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, Mr. Sames Thayer, President of the School Board, said that the School
Board would like to see sidewalks as part of theLr overall policy fIe
said that children will be coming from Stinson Boulevard, and they
cannot get through conveniently at present He said the City is growing
to the east and a large number of children will be coming from that area
in the future. Mr. French said he could not see sidewalks on both sides
of the street. Mr. Thayer said that the Council had discussed putting
them on only one side of Mississippi Street, but had decided they should
be on both sides. He said he was sure Grace School also preferred both
sides.
Mr. Tiller suggested that the snow be hauled away in trucks, which he
said could be done cheaper than paying interest on a bond issue, and
ti�te people wi11 be saved this burden
A visitor to the Council Meeting said he had lived close to Stinson
Boulevard for a few years, and the children have walked to T3en�amin to
catch the bus, which is z way to school He said there had never been a
problem without sidewalks before, and there should be no problem now,
if the parents will �ust instruct their children to be careful Mayor
Kirkham said that you cannot price the life of a child, and not a11
children do as they are instructed.
' There was a discussion about the width of the siclv�alks and the manner
in which the snow wi11 be kept off of them. The Council said that they
have new equipment to plow the sidewalks, and take care of the bulk snow
Mr. Darrell Peterson, 1120 Gazdena, said he was in favor of the sida.+alks
on both sides of the street He asked if the City had an ordinance that
the sidewalks have to be shoveled in a certain period of time. Councilman
Sheridan said that the City does not presently have one
A visitor a'sked if the sidewalk had been petitioned. The City Engineer
said that it had been petitioned by the School Board. Mr. Thayer said
that an Administrator from the school had tried to contact all the
people by going door to door so they would know of the schools interest
in this pro�ect.
There was a discussion about channeling the children to the walkways, and
ciossing with the aid of the school patrol. It was pointed out that
the street was oaly about 20 feet wide, and traffic was heavy A visitor
said that he believed there was a decrease in traffic becanse the cars
were going east to Silver Lake Road now A visitor said that they do
no� have sidewalks in St. Anthony, Edina, and other commuaities, and
they are �ust as much concerned about the safety of their chil3ren Mr
Bob Nicholson, 1628 Gaxdena Avenue Noxtheast, asked if the people will
pay the same price all the way to Stinson The Finance Director said
that this was correct.
' Mr. David Chelberg, 1251 Gardena, protested against the stoxm ;ewer
Mr. Emmett Chelberg, 1601 Gardena Avenue, said he protested against every-
thing but the street. Mrs. Martina Martin, 1329 Gardena Avenue, said that
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her boys had walked a11 the way to school in Columbia Heights without '
sxdewalks, and now she was o1d, and could walk it without sidewalks,
and so could the others. She said that she can not afford them.
Mr Foco, 1345 Gardena Avenue, said he felt he had paid for the street
in the past, but was not against the basic idea, 7ust the idea of how
the people up there were assessed. Mr. William Costello, 1623 Gardena
Avenue, said he was against the whole thing Mr. Raymond Renner,
1564 Gardena Avenue said he was against the whole thing. Mr. Bailey
Tiller named four neighbors of his who he said were agaxnst it, and he
said he had not seen anyone in favor of it yet.
Mayor Kirkham asked how many people living east of Oakwood Manor were
opposed to the pro�ect. 11 people raised their hands. He asked how
many were in favor 2 people raised their hands.
Mayor Kirkham asked how many people west of Oakwood Manor were opposed.
5 people raised their hands. He asked how many were in favor. 3 people
raised their hands.
Dr. HaroLd Cohen, a member of the School Board, explained again the schools
concern about the sidewalks. He said they had decided on an overall
policy of sidewalks for the safety of a11 children. He said that if
the people decide they do not want sidewalks at least the school has
done the right thing by bringing the proposal to the people.
There was a further discussion of snow removal, and the difference in ,
a regular residential street, and a State Aid Street. The City Engineer
explained that the people will get a wider street with a heavier base,
at the same cost as a nort-�a1 residential street. A visrtor to the
Council Meeting asked what the final disposition was going to be. Mayor
Kirkham explained that it was not the Council's policy to decide on any
action, the night of the hearing, especially when the fu11 Council is
not present. He said that the determination will probably be made at
the next regular Council Meeting of December 18, 1967, or at least wi11
not be made any sooner than that. Councilman Sheridan said that the
Council could authorize the Engineer to draw specificatinns and ask for
bids, and portions could still be deleted after the bids are received.
Mr. Rodney Johnson, 1646 Gardena, asked why Gardena had been broken up
into two areas for the hearing. It was explained by the City Engineer that
Gardena Avenue from Oakwood Manor to Stinson Boulevard will not have storm
sewer at this time. He said that it will eventually have storm sewer, but
it is not being considered at this time. He said that the people on
Gardena are aware that the street has to be patched often, and the storm
sewer will extend the life of the pavement by stopping the water from
breaking it up.
67TH AVENUE - UNIVERSITY TO .]EFFERSON:
Mayor Kirkham said that this would be a permanent street, concrete curb and '
gutter, and was designed to be 40' wide, which is about what the swale
section is at present The estimated cost is $9.33 per foot. A visitor
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, asked if the sanitary sewer and storm sewer were in, and he was told they
were. The visitor asked if the street could lose its State Aid designation
now that it is cut off fzom University Avenue. The Council explained that
any street that meets certain criteria can be named a State Aid Street,
and once it is named a State Aid Street it remains that, until the Council
requests it be changed Councilman Sheridan said that if this street were
to be requested as a Seate Aid Street today, they may not get it, but as
long as it has that designation already it wi11 remain
Mr. Merril Jordahl, 575-67th Avenue, said he would like to go on record
as being against sidewalks until there is an adequate system He asked
what type of road had been here previously. Mayor Kirkham vaid it would
be a temporary street by today's standards Mr. Jordahl said that the
street had gone to pieces becaitse of neglect and traffic, and hoped that
service will be kept up on this new road. Mayor Kirkham said that the
City has adopted a policy of maintaiaing the streets by sealcoating.
Mr. A11an Peterson, 565 - 67th Avenue, said he was opposed to doing this
section that he lives in as he cannot afford anymore.
Mayor Ki'rkham asked how many people were in favox of the street pro�ect
on 67th Avenue from IIniversity to 7th Street. 3 people raised their
hands. He asked how many were opposed. There were none He asked how
many were_in favor of the pro�ect on 67th Avenue from 7th Street to
Jefferson There were 2 people in favor, and 1 person opposed.
, Mr. Dahlberg asked if the City backfills behind the curb and sods the
boulevards. The CiCy Engineer said that on State Aid Streets, the City
sods and fixes everything that is damaged, but on residential streets,
whexe the property owner is assessed the complete cost, he can do it
cheaper than the City can
Mr. Jordahl again questioned the possibility of the State Aid designation
being taken off, so he would end up paying much more. Councilman Sheridan
said it wi11 not be constructed unless it is constructed under State Aid,
as the Council would have to come back to the people with different costs
and different specifications if it was not a State Aid road
53RD AVENUE - MAIN STREET TO UNIVERSITY:
Councilman Lieb1 asked if this was going to be State Aid. The City
Engineer pointed out the different State Aid Streets on the map, which
we're all marked in red The City Engineer said that if the Council
decided to do this street, aad State Aid funds are available, they can
be used. He said the Council must decide between the preliminary ro11
as given in the book which would assess the pro�ect to the direct property
owners, or the alternate, which would assess the pro�ect half-way down
[he block. Mayor Kixkham said that because of the Councll's policy, he
felt the Council had no choice but to choose the alternate Mayor Kirk.ham
' asked if anyone in the audience had any questions There was no answer.
3RD STREET - 49TH AVENUE TO 53RD AVENUE:
A visitor asked if this street had been petitioned. The CLty Engineer
said that there was considerable traffac on this street, and it had been
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put in by the developer and never finished. He said that this street '
zs being proposed by the Council, and also that the owner of the new
apartment complex being built in this area is in favor. The visitor
asked what percentage of the cost the apartment owners w�ll be paying.
It was explained by the City Engineer that_tt will be assessed on a
front foot basis, but it is designated as a State Aid Road, so the
residents will not be paging the complete cost of the street.
ASHTON AVENUE - 79TH WAY TO IRONTON:
Mr. Stanley Maritko, 228 E1y Street, asked how this street was going to
effect him, and explained that he lived on the 2nd lot from Ashton Street.
The City Engineer said that he would be effected as the assessment is
be2ng spread z way down the block. He was given the estimated cost of
his assessment. Mrs. Maritko asked if the factories that use this street,
but are not located on Ashton Avenue will have to pay. The Council said
they wi11 Se assessed. The City Engineer said that the people are
concerned about the truck traffic goiag through on the residential street,
and this wi11 remove that hazard as 79th and Ashton wi11 be wider and
safer.
69TH AVENUE - OLD CENTRAL TO STINSON BOULEVARD:
Mr G. Thompson, 1630 69th Avenue, asked for his assessment and asked if
it wi11 include storm sewer. Mayor Kirkham said it did nat include storm '
sewer. Mr. Thompson asked if it will be assessed on both sides. Mayor
Kirkham said yes, Onan Company will be assessed for the other side. The
City Engineer said that the contracts have been let for sewer and water
and that construction wi11 start during the next construction season.
73RD AVENUE - UNIVERSITY AVENUE TO BAKER STREET:
Mayor Kirkham asked if anyone wished to speak on th�s pro�ect. A visitor
to the Council Meeting said that he was in favor of this improvement.
79SH WAY - EAST RTVER RDAD TO EAST PROPERTY LINE OF LOT 4, BLOCK 2,
PEARSONS'S 1ST ADDITION:
There was no one in the audience that wished to be heard on this portion
of the pro�ect.
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by
Councilman Sheridan Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Ki�kham
declared the Public Hearing on the preliminary assessment Roll for the
1968-1 Street Pro�ect and the 1968-2 Street Pro�ect closed at 1I:45 P.M.
The City Engineer suggested that the Council have a workshop session before
they make a decision, because there would not be enough funds available if
they decided to put in all the State Aid streets, and a priority list would
have to be made '
HOWARD GRIVNA: SUGGESTED ORDINANCE AGAINST TRAPPING AND SHOOTING GAME IN
THE CITY:
Mr. Howard Grivna, 261 Rice Creek Terrace, asked the Council to consider
passing an ordinance against trapping game, and shooting it with bow and
PUBLIC HEARING, DECEMBER 11, 1967
' as'rows 7.n the City of Fxidley. He said young people axe shooting the
wild ducks in Rice Creek with steel tipped arrows, and they are also
trapping muskrat. He said he wondered why a City of this size allowed
this as it was dangerous to children and to pets The Council thanked
Mr. Grivna for bringing this to �heir attention, and said that some�hzng
would be done on this right away.
VISITOR; ICE SKATING RINK BY MATTERHORN DRIVE:
A visitor to the Council Meeting asked if the City could set up a skating
rink near Matterhorn Drive and the water tower. The City Engineer said
that the City did own some park land in this area, but he could not
remember any level spot, Mayor Kirkham told the visitor he could contact
Paul Brown, the Parks and Recreation Director, and if a rink was
feasible, maybe they could get one in there.
RICHARD T. SIMMONS - VALIDITY OF BUILDING PERMIT FOR DOUBLE BUNGALOW
AT 360 - 57TH AVENUE NORTHEAST:
The Citq Manager said he had received a telephone ca11 from the First
Federal Savings & Loan Gompany who is handling the mortgage for
Mr. Richard T. Simmons, and they would like verification from the Council
that the building permiC was a valid permrt and within the requirements
of the City ordinances. The CiCy Manager asked the secretary to read
the following letter, which was written to Mr. Richard T. Simmons, for
' Council verification:
December 4, 1967
Mr. Richard T. Simmons
353 - 57th Place Northeast
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Dear Mr. Simmons:
The permit for construction of the double bungalow at 360-57th
Avenue Nartheast has been reviewed and must be considered to be a valid
permit and is being constructed within the requirements of City ordinances
Very truly youxs,
/s/ Homer R. Ankrum, City Manager
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to approve the contents of the letter to
Mr. Simmons and send a copy to the mortgage company. Seconded by
Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor
Kirkham declared the motion carried.
SALARY SURVEY•
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� The City Manager said that the salary survey to he done by the Metropolitan
Section of the Mznnesota League of Municlpalities would cost Fridley $231 00
Mayor Kixkham sald that he would concur with doing the study if ehe Manager
felt it would be to our advantage. Councilman Samuelson said that the
price was more reasonable than anything that had been consLdered before
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MOTION by Councilman Liebl to concur with the City Manager's recommendation ,
to participate in the salary survey to be done by the Metropolitan Survey
of the Minnesota League of Municipalities. Seconded by Councilman
Samuelson. Upon a vo�ce vote, there being no nays, Mayor Rirkham declared
the motion carried.
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES, NOVEMBER 30, 1967:
The City Manager pointed out that the Planning Commission has asked the
City Council to consider an ordinance regulating the reducing of 1ot
size. He said he wi11 have an ordinance drafted for lst reading at the
next meeting.
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to receave and file the Planning Commission
Minutes of November 30, 1967 and direct the City Manager to prepare an
ordinance regarding reducing 1ot srzes. Seconded by Councilman Sheridan.
Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion
carried
GARAGE BID CONTRACT;
The City Engineer said that the Council should have a solution to this
problem by the next meeting, as the grouad will be frozen and the contractor's
costs wi11 be higher, unless he is assured of the contract, and can move
his equipment in. Mayor Kirkham said ttrat this wn1T h�ave ta be=di�c�xssed wi[h
the City Attorney to see what progress has been made to get this resolved.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business, Mayor Kirkham declared the Special Public
Hearing Meeting of December 11, 1967 ad�ourned at 12:05 1�.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Secretary to the Council
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